WWI Digest 4295 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: CSM ANNOUNCEMENT by "Courtney Allen" 2) Re: CSM ANNOUNCEMENT by Tom Plesha 3) Re: Finally! - Site update by Tom Plesha 4) RE: lozenge question by "Michael and Sharon Alvarado, NSWCC" 5) Ross' Desk by "Neil Eddy" 6) RE: I.D. of these 3 aircraft. by Volker Haeusler 7) Re: GOTHA by KarrArt@aol.com 8) Re: Stair Drawings (was GOTHA) by KarrArt@aol.com 9) Re: Stair Drawings (was GOTHA) by Larry Marshall 10) Re: Stair Drawings (was GOTHA) by KarrArt@aol.com 11) Re: Stair Drawings (was GOTHA) by Larry Marshall 12) RE: I.D. of these 3 aircraft. by "Ross Moorhouse" 13) RE: I.D. of these 3 aircraft. by Eric GALLAUD 14) Re: Stair Drawings (was GOTHA) by KarrArt@aol.com 15) Re: Ross' Desk by "Ross Moorhouse" 16) 2cents worth on 4 kits... by "John Impenna" 17) Soundj - Skol Beats by "Soundj - Skol Beats" 18) happy Easter by daniele silvestri 19) Re: latest Datafile by "Sandy Adam" 20) Red Baron Models opens its doors. by "Ross Moorhouse" 21) RE: Help needed ! Polish list member, can you help? by "Tomasz Gronczewski" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 15:36:03 -0800 From: "Courtney Allen" To: Subject: Re: CSM ANNOUNCEMENT Message-ID: <001001c1d77a$7e5ef9a0$f64a510c@oemcomputer> Hello Eric, As always, please send me a copy as soon as it is ready to go. Include a prop as well. Note that there is an update to my Visa CC since my last order. The exp. date is now 02/04. Hope things are well. Courtney ----- Original Message ----- From: "ERIC HIGHT" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 7:38 AM Subject: [WWI] CSM ANNOUNCEMENT > fellow listlanders, > the etrich a.ii taube (k1016) is now released and will be 47.99usd. as > usual there is a minor problem with the pe but a fix is on the way. one of > the minor parts didn't keep it's sprues from the artwork to the film as a > result the part is gone. if it's not one thing it's another!! thanks for > your attention. > remember your dicta ira discount does apply. and i do have a limited > number of props for this kit in stock. thanks again. > regards, > eric > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 16:16:57 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Plesha To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: CSM ANNOUNCEMENT Message-ID: <20020330001657.48768.qmail@web20504.mail.yahoo.com> >Eric- >One of the Taubes with a prop has my name on it, as >soon as you are shipping. >Later >Tom --- ERIC HIGHT wrote: > fellow listlanders, > the etrich a.ii taube (k1016) is now released and > will be 47.99usd. >SNIP __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 16:18:29 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Plesha To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Finally! - Site update Message-ID: <20020330001829.49003.qmail@web20504.mail.yahoo.com> MARCIO- VERY NICE. Thanks for the photos. Later Tom --- Marcio Antonio Campos wrote: > Folks, > > I've just uploaded the pictures of January contest > in Sao Paulo to my > website. OK, two months later... but better late > than never :-) > > How to see them: go to www.modelismo-ww1.cjb.net and > then either select Open > GSPM 2002 in the menu or go to the News section and > click the link to the > GSPM 2002 page. > > Catanduva pictures: as I said, they didn't appear. > Laboratory said > "underexposed film". > > Happy Easter to you all, > > Marcio (from home) > > ot note, just read that Billy Wilder passed away > yesterday. As an Audrey > Hepburn fan, I must say that these are sad news. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 19:48:30 -0500 From: "Michael and Sharon Alvarado, NSWCC" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: lozenge question Message-ID: <3CA50B5E.34E39B66@verizon.net> Myles, An interesting thing about superscale which I used to use before I discovered A/G is that no two sheets had the same colors, if you ran out of lozenge one one sheet it was a near certainty that the next sheet wouldn't match the first, enough to make a noticable difference. Used to drive me crazy. Alvie Myles Miller wrote: > Lance, Alvie, Michael, and everyone else who answered my question about A/G > 4-color lozenge - > > many thanks for the information and for easing my mind about the appearance > of the silk-screened printing lines. > > BTW, FWIW, IMHO, my .00 cents, etc. blah blah - > > In the four-way comparison of A/G, Eagle Strike, Superscale, and Aeromaster > 4-color upper lozenge, I find A/G to be the closest match, followed by > Eagle Strike. I feel the Aeromaster offering is a bit off on three of the > colors and is also too bright, while the Superscale offering is way off. > > However, I do like the Eagle Strike 4-color under surface pattern. > > Myles > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 12:05:23 +1100 From: "Neil Eddy" To: Subject: Ross' Desk Message-ID: <000901c1d786$f9493ac0$2f8586cb@mannock> Greetings All from Beyond The Black Stump; Just emerging from exile to give my eyewitness testimonial regarding Ross' desk. Having seen this horrifying item in the flesh, I can vouch that Ross' desk is as messy and unkempt as the rest of ours (unlike mine which is always pristine). Therefore it is my considered opinion that Messr. Moorhouse should be admitted as a full member in good standing to the League of Messy & Disorganised Modellers. All the Best Neil E (Clean Desk Fraction) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 00:27:44 +0800 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: I.D. of these 3 aircraft. Message-ID: Ross, "Sorry this is ot but I would like to know what these 3 aircraft are. The photo was taken in thje 1920s." While the photo is a little fuzzy, I think these are actually Caudron C 59 trainers. The Turks definitely bought some of these in 1924. The C 59 was one of the most successful between the wars French trainers, with around 1800 build. OT connection: powered by a 180 hp Hispano Suiza 8 Ab engine (of SPAD 7 fame). identification points for the C 59 are: SPAD like rudder, open HS engine top, angular fuselage, rather prominent washout of the wingtips. A second possibility would be the Caudron C 27, which the Turks also used. This *may* have been a predecessor of the C 59, so may have looked similar. But I have never seen a photo of one, so can not comment... Volker ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 20:37:03 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: GOTHA Message-ID: <16e.b36de3e.29d670bf@aol.com> In a message dated 3/27/02 2:24:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, pnsoares@netcabo.pt writes: << .never mind that he threw > up on my foot once, a long time ago. I still have the shoe (I'm serious!). My > wife won't let me mount it on a mahogony plaque and hang it in the living > room. Robert, Maybe if you wash the darn thing off, she won't mind.... >> Oh- it was rinsed at the first opportunity! Chocolate cake and beer didn't make a very pretty ornament! RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 20:37:02 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Stair Drawings (was GOTHA) Message-ID: <11b.e2c6d2d.29d670be@aol.com> In a message dated 3/28/02 1:25:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, larrym@sympatico.ca writes: << Somehow they've got to stick his large drawings into a scanner and do the reduction, probably to an electronic file and this is probably manipulated onto a Datafile page, leaving room for margins and page numbers. Within drawing inconsistencies, however, would rest on Ian's shoulders I think...unless...there's been a rearrangement of his drawings. In that case, Mr Photoshop operator could have goofed, changing the size of one of the views. Cheers --- Larry >> These problems pre-date the "scanner age", and are found in other publications going back decades, so I don't know wnat the problem is! RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 20:41:09 -0500 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Stair Drawings (was GOTHA) Message-ID: <20020330014853.EEES25090.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net@there> > These problems pre-date the "scanner age", and are found in other > publications going back decades, so I don't know wnat the problem > is! RK Uhm...prior to scanners we called it "photo-reduction." There simply has to be some sort of manipulation of a large drawing to get it to become a small one. Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 21:06:38 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Stair Drawings (was GOTHA) Message-ID: In a message dated 3/29/02 5:51:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, larrym@sympatico.ca writes: << Uhm...prior to scanners we called it "photo-reduction." There simply has to be some sort of manipulation of a large drawing to get it to become a small one. Cheers --- Larry >> Yep- familiar with it- but that old problem of inconsistant sizing within a drawing popped even in "olden tymes". RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 21:49:23 -0500 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Stair Drawings (was GOTHA) Message-ID: <20020330025708.FYKB18619.tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net@there> > Yep- familiar with it- but that old problem of inconsistant sizing > within a drawing popped even in "olden tymes". This thread is bordering on the absurd. People were doing photo-reduction and photo-enlargement when the planes Ian Stair is representing were flying. Is he REALLY old enough to pre-date this technology? Was he even born in a pre-photography era? Could you define "olden tymes" for us? Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 14:57:26 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: RE: I.D. of these 3 aircraft. Message-ID: <001701c1d79f$01673f00$76492dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> Hi Volker, Mike Fl confirmed this too. They are part of a pic that has a SpadXIII in it. :-) Cheers mate Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Volker Haeusler" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 12:38 PM Subject: [WWI] RE: I.D. of these 3 aircraft. > Ross, > > "Sorry this is ot but I would like to know what these 3 aircraft are. The > photo was taken in thje 1920s." > > While the photo is a little fuzzy, I think these are actually Caudron C 59 > trainers. The Turks definitely bought some of these in 1924. > > The C 59 was one of the most successful between the wars French trainers, > with around 1800 build. OT connection: powered by a 180 hp Hispano Suiza 8 > Ab engine (of SPAD 7 fame). > > identification points for the C 59 are: SPAD like rudder, open HS engine > top, angular fuselage, rather prominent washout of the wingtips. > > A second possibility would be the Caudron C 27, which the Turks also used. > This *may* have been a predecessor of the C 59, so may have looked similar. > But I have never seen a photo of one, so can not comment... > > Volker > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 04:57:13 +0100 From: Eric GALLAUD To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: I.D. of these 3 aircraft. Message-ID: <3CA53799.247D26ED@club-internet.fr> Hello, I agree for the Caudron C59. The Caudron C27 has a Le Rhône 80hp engine. Eric Volker Haeusler a écrit : > Ross, > > "Sorry this is ot but I would like to know what these 3 aircraft are. The > photo was taken in thje 1920s." > > While the photo is a little fuzzy, I think these are actually Caudron C 59 > trainers. The Turks definitely bought some of these in 1924. > > The C 59 was one of the most successful between the wars French trainers, > with around 1800 build. OT connection: powered by a 180 hp Hispano Suiza 8 > Ab engine (of SPAD 7 fame). > > identification points for the C 59 are: SPAD like rudder, open HS engine > top, angular fuselage, rather prominent washout of the wingtips. > > A second possibility would be the Caudron C 27, which the Turks also used. > This *may* have been a predecessor of the C 59, so may have looked similar. > But I have never seen a photo of one, so can not comment... > > Volker ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 23:08:46 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Stair Drawings (was GOTHA) Message-ID: <130.bd627f7.29d6944e@aol.com> In a message dated 3/29/02 6:58:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, larrym@sympatico.ca writes: << Could you define "olden tymes" for us? Cheers --- Larry >> For me- the 50s and 60s. But- the overall ideas in this thread are valid. Whatever the specifics- don't automatically assume drawings are what they say they are. Some are good, some better, some worse. The work by any "name" draftsman may not be consistant, and in printed media, be careful! RK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 15:18:23 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Ross' Desk Message-ID: <002f01c1d7a1$eeb79640$76492dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> ROFLMAO... Yes Neil has seen my desk and he lived to tell the tale. i think the sounds that came from under it had him worried. Sounds of plastic slipping on plastic. Cheers Ross He who has a nice messy desk and is proud of it. What Neil didnt say was that my PC desk looks the same as my model desk. I am sure there is a PC under all this stuff. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Eddy" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 12:06 PM Subject: [WWI] Ross' Desk > Greetings All from Beyond The Black Stump; > > Just emerging from exile to give my eyewitness testimonial regarding Ross' > desk. Having seen this horrifying item in the flesh, I can vouch that Ross' > desk is as messy and unkempt as the rest of ours (unlike mine which is > always pristine). Therefore it is my considered opinion that Messr. > Moorhouse should be admitted as a full member in good standing to the League > of Messy & Disorganised Modellers. > > All the Best > > Neil E > (Clean Desk Fraction) > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 23:56:57 -0500 From: "John Impenna" To: Subject: 2cents worth on 4 kits... Message-ID: <000e01c1d7a7$527082a0$dd687ad1@cable.rcn.com> Hi Folks, Got a package today from Poland that contains, well, the only way to describe them, 3 Gems!! The Jadar/Airmo 1/72 Albatros C.XV, Ardpol 1/72 Halberstadt C.V and the Ardpol 1/72 AEG C.IV. Jadar/Airmo Albatros C.XV-They seem to push the envelope with each new release....Absolutely beautiful exterior detail..A few thin spots and pinholes that will fill easily, but no problems here. The photoetch looks to be done by Part and has interior detail and spoked wheels..Really nicely done. The wings are also very well molded and the trailing edges are very thin with beautiful rib detail....The engine and the other small parts are also terrific.Lozenge 4 color decals are nice and are pretty close to Americals in color, although the lower lozenge looks a little pale to me. I would probably use Americals for the lowers...Struts are nice, but probably should be replaced with bamboo or plastic for strength. Markings seem to be nicely done and pretty thin.. Instructions are a pretty basic, but clear exploded drawing and finishing diagram. Really looks good compared to photo in the Gray and Thetford book. These kits are rivalling and in a lot of ways exceeding injection kits! Ardpol AEG C.IV-Again, beautiful surface and interior detail on this one...A few more pinholes and airholes on this one than I have seen on other Ardpol kits, but still nothing major. The wings are as good as they get..Really thin trailing edges and the distinctive ailerons on this bird are really well done. The engine is beautiful...The other small parts such as the seats, prop,wheels etc..are gorgeous...Nice instructions with a GA diagram with rigging..Decals are by Techmod. Ardpol Halberstadt C.V-I believe this is Ardpols latest and probably greatest..Only one or two airholes on this one..Interior detail to beat all!! Photoetch would be overkill on this kit....Great wings again...Terrific engine and small parts....Great exterior detail on the fuse as well as the wings....Same as above on the instructions and decals..No lozenges on this one...Really comapres well to the Gray and Thetford book. A-Model Spad S.A.4-Also a beauty...I don't buy Ray Rimmell's review of this kit...It LOOKS like an S.A. 4 to me...If it's a few mm off somewhere, well my eyes and level of anality don't go that high to notice it..One thing that is really strange is that the wings and tail surfaces have virtually no rib detail!! I wonder if they are all like this or if the mold is already getting soft...Could anyone else who has this kit look at it and tell me if yours is like this....I'll do the extra work with decal strips just to have a model of this bird...Otherwise, it looks nice..Good detail on the small parts and this kit will probably really benefit from the new Part S.A. 2/4 photoetch set...I also ordered this and you have to see it to believe it!!! With this set and some work, I think this kit has real prize-winning potential...Again, a decent kit of a type not available before. These resin kits from Jadar and Ardpol are really beautiful, not to mention the types they are doing...I doubt we would ever see these 3 types from Eduard in 1/72 or any scale for that matter. Also, the Part photo-etch sets are the best I have seen so far. I picked up a second S.A. 2/4 set to use with the very nice Rosemont resin S.A. 2 kit...These resin beauties have really given me an incentive to really get back to building..In fact, I am even contemplating NOT picking up anything new until I have a few of these built!!! Sorry for the long post...Hope it was useful... Regards, John Impenna ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 02:43:34 -0300 From: "Soundj - Skol Beats" To: Subject: Soundj - Skol Beats Message-ID: <200203300535.CAA16439@toole.uol.com.br> Soundj - detonando a barreira do som
 
 
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------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 10:29:47 +0100 From: daniele silvestri To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: happy Easter Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020330102834.028d77a0@mail.clubnet.tin.it> >Happy Easter to all the list daniele ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 10:22:19 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WWI Modelling List" Subject: Re: latest Datafile Message-ID: <002601c1d7d4$c9640b20$bbb201d5@sandyada> pardon my tardiness, but somebody asked about my latest "Scaroni" Hanriot - of course when I check it's not Scaroni's at all but a guy called Bogliolo - the one with all the stars on the fuselage. Anyway, nice Eduard decals that went on without any problems whatsoever. generally I find only the old pre-LTM kit decals need give any cause for trepidation. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 16:01:39 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Red Baron Models opens its doors. Message-ID: <003501c1d7a7$f9ec2e80$76492dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> http://www.red-baron.ca/index.htm They have a banner on the Modeling Maddness site. After a long time they have opened their online store. I am in no way connected with them. Just thought I would pass this along. Cheers Ross ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 11:50:12 +0100 From: "Tomasz Gronczewski" To: Subject: RE: Help needed ! Polish list member, can you help? Message-ID: > Listees, > the following mail reached me offlist. Mike plans to built and fly a Siemens > D III replica. He had contact with Marian Krzyzan, but cannot track him down > again. Is there any polish list member who can help? Hans, I haven't heard of Marian Krzyzan himself. I think the best way to learn about him is to contact Mr. Jerzy Hoffmann, who carries after aircraft displayed in Kraków Museum. I will attempt to contact him after Easter, but cannot guarantee success. Once I tried to obtain some info on Halberstadt Cl. II painting technique and failed to reach him. However I think the best idea for Mike is to visit Kraków anyway. I know this is troublesome, but Kraków preserves the only surviving fuselage of SSW D.IV with Siemens Halske SH.III engine built in. In fact the aircraft is known as Albatros H-1, but it had been originally a SSW D.IV, that had been only survivor of Armistice. All other SSWs had been destroyed according to Entente directives. Albatros Werke modified this very SSW to adapt it to high altitude aircraft role. The wings, tailplanes, struts and the propeller have been exchanged, but the fuselage and the engine have remained original. The aircraft in Kraków is displayed without wings as they were lost during the world war II. All other components have bee recently restored beautifully. Tomasz P.S. If Mike wants to contact Jerzy Hoffman personally, I can give him his e-mail and telephone number. But I have to dig through papers to find them. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4295 **********************