WWI Digest 4292 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: USA Fokker D.VII, What types where they ??? by Crawford Neil 2) RE:Spad 2-seaters by Crawford Neil 3) RE: URL Please Thanks Neil by Crawford Neil 4) RE: Biff page by Crawford Neil 5) Re: Stair Drawings (was GOTHA) by "Matt Bittner" 6) Re: Speaking of NKR.. by Scottfking@aol.com 7) Re: Biff page by Mark Miller 8) Re: Biff page by Crawford Neil 9) Re: Disaster... by Balzer Mr Gregory P 10) Re: Palmer Logos, was another Fe2b wheel rqst by CoolSpadLuke@aol.com 11) Happy Easter ! by a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it 12) "Patchwork" CDL by tbittners@sprintmail.com 13) RE: "Patchwork" CDL by Crawford Neil 14) Re: Happy Easter ! by "Michael Kendix" 15) RE: "Patchwork" CDL by tbittners@sprintmail.com 16) Re: "Patchwork" CDL by David Fleming 17) Re: "Patchwork" CDL by Mark Miller 18) RE: "Patchwork" CDL by Crawford Neil 19) RE: "Patchwork" CDL by tbittners@sprintmail.com 20) RE: "Patchwork" CDL by Crawford Neil 21) RE: "Patchwork" CDL by "Michael Kendix" 22) RE: "Patchwork" CDL by Crawford Neil 23) RE: "Patchwork" CDL by "Hans Trauner" 24) Re: Palmer Logos, was another Fe2b wheel rqst by "Lance Krieg" 25) RE: "Patchwork" CDL by "Lance Krieg" 26) Re: Stair Drawings (was GOTHA) by KarrArt@aol.com 27) Re: "Patchwork" CDL by "Mark Shannon" 28) Hannover Cl.V by knut.erik.hagen@login-3.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) 29) Re: "Patchwork" CDL by KarrArt@aol.com 30) Re: "Patchwork" CDL by "David C. Fletcher" 31) Re: "Patchwork" CDL by "ot811" 32) RE: "Patchwork" CDL by "Brent Theobald" 33) Re: Stair Drawings (was GOTHA) by PetersList@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 11:59:18 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: USA Fokker D.VII, What types where they ??? Message-ID: Because Sopwith did! /Neil C. Thanks for clearing that up for me Bob. So the D.VII was much > better than > the Dr.I. Makes you wonder why Fokker went with 3 wings and > then back to 2. > > Cheers > > Ross > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 12:00:40 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE:Spad 2-seaters Message-ID: Thanks Eric, that makes sense with the context. /Neil C. > I think this sentence is better like that : > "Avenant au marché 57" > I understand it like that : amendment to the batch 57 (additionnal > order). > > Eric from France > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 12:02:27 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: URL Please Thanks Neil Message-ID: Is that Shanes Halberstadt you're looking at? Take a look at his Bristol Fighter while you're there. /Neil C. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Maddeford [mailto:mike.maddeford@sympatico.ca] > Sent: den 27 mars 2002 23:42 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] RE: URL Please Thanks Neil > > > Thanks Neil. I like the Halberstadt. I think I will try to > find out more > about them. > > Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 12:05:08 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Biff page Message-ID: Thanks Peter, that is excellent. I love your idea of putting the old Airfix kit paintings on the page, they're still inspirational. /Neil C. > > I've put some F2B detail pix at > http://www.wwimodeler.com/esc/biff.html Not > much model content again I'm afraid. > > cheers > > Peter L > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 05:11:21 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Stair Drawings (was GOTHA) Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Mar 2002 01:57:56 -0500 (EST), Charles Hart wrote: > The bottom line, measure the drawing, or two or three or five and do > the math. It isn't hard. I agree. The SPAD SA.2 drawings are wrong, especially in terms of the wing. And still Rimell compares kits to these drawings, lately bashing the Amodel upper wing as being "too long". Well, when you measure it against drawings that are too short, of course they're going to be too long. ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 06:10:32 EST From: Scottfking@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Speaking of NKR.. Message-ID: In a message dated 3/27/02 11:37:48 PM EST, rossmoor@bigpond.net.au writes: << Earl has the Roden 1/72 Albatros D-1 @$12 listed .. >> Yep, I think its about time I ordered from him again. Good prices and fast service. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 05:50:42 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Biff page Message-ID: <20020328135042.46674.qmail@web20201.mail.yahoo.com> --- PetersList@aol.com wrote: > I've put some F2B detail pix at > http://www.wwimodeler.com/esc/biff.html Not > much model content again I'm afraid. > > cheers > > Peter L Peter Nice looking page Great photos - and your profile is very well done. I've been considering the Biff for a structural model. It has a slightly different aspect to it which I find interesting. And I love that engine :-) not that I need another project right now Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:53:14 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Biff page Message-ID: > I've been considering the Biff for a structural model. > It has a slightly different aspect to it which I find > interesting. > And I love that engine :-) > > not that I need another project right now > Mark Yes you do, just work harder;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 09:25:46 -0500 From: Balzer Mr Gregory P To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Disaster... Message-ID: <47637867E285D5118FAE00B0D0D1C9760169D1C1@TECOM03E> Thanks Alvie, I went ugly early and stripped the majority of the kit yesterday after realizing that in three spots the decals had been ruined, and in two others it went as deep as the paint. I've got a replacement set of MvR 425/17 decals on the way already, but thanks for the very kind offer. After assessing the situation last night it really isn't that big of a set back. After about an hour and a half of work I'm right back where I was about two weeks ago. Nothing's broken or damaged so I'm in good shape. Yesterday it was just the emotional shock of seeing all your hard work destroyed. Today I realize it's not all that bad! Thanks, Greg -----Original Message----- From: Michael and Sharon Alvarado, NSWCC [mailto:sm5192@verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 5:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Re: Disaster... Greg, One can always strip and refinish. Which Dr.I were you doing? I may have an extra set of decals. Alvie Balzer Mr Gregory P wrote: > Good Morning All, > The Dr. 1 that I've been working on for the better part of a year now is > defunct. > > Due to the info and experience of the list I was able for the first time in > my life to model a kit the way I had always wanted to ever since I was a > kid. The finish on the paint was flawless, the decals were perfect. Other > than a spot of two of Future on the 4th wing the finish was spotless. > > Then I got a little too exhuberant. I wanted to accent the access panel, > the fabric seam on the underside and the details on the lower portion of the > 4th wing, as well as the engine. So I went to a local hobby shop (not known > for great prices, great service or as we will see...great advice). I asked > the owner about acrylics and making a sludge type wash from soap and acrylic > paints. "Oh I've got the answer for you" he says. "All of the gaming > figure guys use ink to highlight, just wash it on and it runs down in the > seams, high pigmentation...blah, blah, blah... > > So I ups and buys me a bottle or three and march straight home. In my > mind's eye I can see the NoVa IPMS meeting, Sanjeev and Michael K admiring > my first effort, I could almost taste it. > And when I apply the ink, it proceeds to stain the Future finish, eat > through the finish around the carb intakes and ruin the perfectly placed > thrust line. It looks like a leopard with a bad skin rash :-( All is lost. > > Oh well, I take all of this philosophically. Compared to the tragedy some > of our fellow listees are anguishing over at this time, it seems rather > small in comparison. Nobody's shooting at me, it's a sunny spring day, life > is good! I picked up a lot of tricks and tips, which will only improve the > next kit, and my spare parts bin is already showing signs of growth! > > Next build: Pfalz DIIIs in von Holtzem's scheme. > Later~ > Greg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 09:46:34 EST From: CoolSpadLuke@aol.com To: Subject: Re: Palmer Logos, was another Fe2b wheel rqst Message-ID: <53.1444fbf7.29d486cb@aol.com> Is there info available from one or a few sources as to which aircraft used Palmer tyres or is this a research each aircraft type project? Also, British-built French aircraft? TIA, Mike Kavanaugh In a message dated Thu, 28 Mar 2002 2:17:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Bob Pearson" writes: > So. . would there be a demand for a sheet of just Palmer logos? Howzabout $5 > (postage included) for a set on roughly the same size sheet as the USAS > insignias .. that way they can fit into a regular envelope and are less > likely to get bent. > > I can do them in 1/72, 1/48 and 1/32 .. I guess 1/28 is also an option. > > I really need to get a week off from other stuff so I can go through my > files and do up other generic types of scripts .... "Do not fly without > Observor or equivilant weight", "Lift Here", "Lever Ici" etc > > Bob > > ---------- > >From: "Lance Krieg" > >To: Multiple recipients of list > >Subject: [WWI] Re: another Fe2b wheel rqst > >Date: Wed, Mar 27, 2002, 8:35 am > > > > > Sanjeev wants to know which Americal sheets have the Palmer logos: > > > > 144, 145, 165, 166 all have them, as would their 1/72 counterparts. > > The most can be found on sheet 144. > > > > This for those of us who don't have Bob Pearson making personalized > > decal sheets for our projects! > > > > Lance ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:43:39 +0100 From: a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it To: "Wwi Modeling List \(E-mail\)" Subject: Happy Easter ! Message-ID: <43EB244779F3D411966E0060082C59E90F061C@SERVER1> My best wishes of a happy and Holy Easter to all listees ! Alberto Casirati --- [Questa mail e' stata controllata dai software antivirus e antispamming di Planet Service srl - www.planetservice.biz ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 10:05:55 -0500 (EST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: "Patchwork" CDL Message-ID: <20020328150555.7C3504681D@eclipse.qis.net> What do people think about Steve Hustad's "patchwork" CDL on his Zeppelin C.II? (Again, it can be found at http://www.kithobbyist.com/VVS/shared.) Would linen weather in this sort of "patchwork" effect? Sure, if there are replacements made in a patch-style I can definitely see it. But what about the day to day weathering? Thoughts/comments? Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 16:25:20 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: "Patchwork" CDL Message-ID: I didn't notice it the first time I looked, which is a good sign. My reflection was that it is a bit too weathered for what would have been a brand new prototype. OTOH maybe it's been standing out in the rain for a month or two, and seen a least a little flying. It's an interesting comparison to the Schneider I just built, which I left totally unweathered because it was a racer, there is much more action in Steves model, mine is rather lifeless. Difficult to say, in a way it's exagerrated, but we're looking at a model that is blown up to over twice it's size on our screens, I'd love to see it in real life. It must have been a lot of extra work doing it, on the whole I'd say yes it definitely improves the model, especially if it had been on a "in-service" Albatross 2-seater. I still think he should have done bubble camouflage! /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:29:24 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Happy Easter ! Message-ID: >From: a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it > >My best wishes of a happy and Holy Easter to all listees ! > >Alberto Casirati Same to you. Happy Easter, Passover, or whatever you might be celebrating at this time. Michael Bring on those chocolate eggs! _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 10:29:52 -0500 (EST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: "Patchwork" CDL Message-ID: <20020328152952.2F3324681D@eclipse.qis.net> On Thu, 28 Mar 2002 10:27:17 -0500 (EST), Crawford Neil wrote: >I didn't notice it the first time I looked, which is a good sign. >My reflection was that it is a bit too weathered for what would >have been a brand new prototype. OTOH maybe it's been standing out >in the rain for a month or two, and seen a least a little flying. >It's an interesting comparison to the Schneider I just built, >which I left totally unweathered because it was a racer, there is >much more action in Steves model, mine is rather lifeless. >Difficult to say, in a way it's exagerrated, but we're looking at >a model that is blown up to over twice it's size on our screens, >I'd love to see it in real life. It must have been a lot of extra >work doing it, on the whole I'd say yes it definitely improves the >model, especially if it had been on a "in-service" Albatross 2-seater. >I still think he should have done bubble camouflage! Very interesting. I asked this because I'm contemplating doing something like that with my SPAD SA.2. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:31:16 +0000 From: David Fleming To: Subject: Re: "Patchwork" CDL Message-ID: <1017329476.3ca33744296ee@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting tbittners@sprintmail.com: > What do people think about Steve Hustad's "patchwork" CDL on his > Zeppelin C.II? (Again, it can be found at > http://www.kithobbyist.com/VVS/shared.) > > Would linen weather in this sort of "patchwork" effect? Sure, if there > are replacements made in a patch-style I can definitely see it. But > what about the day to day weathering? > > Thoughts/comments? > On the fuselage, it could be down to different pieces of CDL, so without knowing the aircraft, I don't know where the joins are. I wouldn't expect such straight lines on one piece On the wings, difficult to say, ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 07:35:56 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: "Patchwork" CDL Message-ID: <20020328153556.55196.qmail@web20202.mail.yahoo.com> --- tbittners@sprintmail.com wrote: > What do people think about Steve Hustad's > "patchwork" CDL on his Zeppelin C.II? (Again, it > can be found at > http://www.kithobbyist.com/VVS/shared.) > > Would linen weather in this sort of "patchwork" > effect? Sure, if there are replacements made in a > patch-style I can definitely see it. But what about > the day to day weathering? > > Thoughts/comments? > > > Matt Bittner Matt If you are refering to the subtle variances in color between the wing ribs, I'd say it looks rather nice. I'm not sure if CDL would actualy weather like this. But I think the effect might help enhance the "presence" of the model. especialy important in the ummm ..... diminutive scales ;-) The washes look a little heavy handed for my tastes But if you were actualy eyeballing the model, it might look perfect. (again - consider the scale) tough to judge this sort of thing from a photo Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 16:40:00 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: "Patchwork" CDL Message-ID: Yes a Spad A2 would be a good candidate for something like this. I've painted like this on Nakajima Ki27, and it was a heck of a lot of work, also I think I overdid it, so it looks a little patchworky. I also tinted some clear decal and added on some panels, that wasn't a great success. The best results I've had doing this was on a (black) X15, where I painted the model very dark blue, then used black and grey pastels on individual panels. How has Steve done this incidentally, sprayed on in different shades? /Neil C. > Very interesting. I asked this because I'm contemplating > doing something like that with my SPAD SA.2. > > > Matt Bittner > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 10:59:52 -0500 (EST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: "Patchwork" CDL Message-ID: <20020328155952.D2AB54681D@eclipse.qis.net> On Thu, 28 Mar 2002 10:41:57 -0500 (EST), Crawford Neil wrote: >How has Steve done this incidentally, sprayed on in different shades? Correct, sprayed on. I'm still contemplating it for the SPAD. I'm not 100% convinced yet. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 17:06:19 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: "Patchwork" CDL Message-ID: Well done (like this), it's the sort of thing that wins competitions. You might do just as well with pastels, or water colours, or wasn't there some talk of tinted future a while back, I haven't tried that but it might be a good idea. /Neil C. > -----Original Message----- > From: tbittners@sprintmail.com [mailto:tbittners@sprintmail.com] > Sent: den 28 mars 2002 17:02 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] RE: "Patchwork" CDL > > > On Thu, 28 Mar 2002 10:41:57 -0500 (EST), Crawford Neil > wrote: > > >How has Steve done this incidentally, sprayed on in different shades? > > Correct, sprayed on. > > I'm still contemplating it for the SPAD. I'm not 100% convinced yet. > > > Matt Bittner > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 16:08:52 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: "Patchwork" CDL Message-ID: >From: Crawford Neil >Yes a Spad A2 would be a good candidate for something like this. >I've painted like this on Nakajima Ki27, Sooooo... the truth comes out - building those Japanese WW2 things eh? Not that I would blame you:). >How has Steve done this incidentally, sprayed on in different shades? If it's like the method he uses on his Japanese stuff, it's sprayed on. He does a light shade first, then masks off and does the darker shade. See: http://www.j-aircraft.com/hustad/h6k5_mavis_review.htm for an amazing off-topic build with many techniques that can be applied to most models. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 17:20:51 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: "Patchwork" CDL Message-ID: > > Sooooo... the truth comes out - building those Japanese WW2 > things eh? Not > that I would blame you:). What I'm building right now is even worse, but we won't go into that! > If it's like the method he uses on his Japanese stuff, it's > sprayed on. He > does a light shade first, then masks off and does the darker > shade. Yes that is totally amazing, I have one of those Mavis kits (oops another slip of the tongue) and I can't believe anyone can make anything like this out of it. Interesting that he uses pastels for oil stains etc. but NOT for panel emphasis. /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 17:25:51 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: RE: "Patchwork" CDL Message-ID: <007e01c1d675$3a58cb60$d4a172d4@FRITZweb> Fellow sufferers, when looking at the one and only Zep CL II pic I have ( Gray/Thetford) I must confess: All the staining and weathering is there were Steve has done it. Even those streaks behind the aileron lever are there! You may discuss about the patchwork at the fuselage's end and the different shades between the ribs. I would not do that, but more for 'making 'my life easier' reasons. And the rib bands may be more accurate, not drybrushed, as perhaps the real bands were made completely of lighter material. Dicta Ira, L'art pour l'art, artistic licence, etc, etc. Hans ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 10:39:41 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Palmer Logos, was another Fe2b wheel rqst Message-ID: Mike wants to know: "...which aircraft used Palmer tyres[?]" Palmer was the main British supplier, and for some reason that escapes my recall far outstripped everyone else, including Dunlop. It would be appropriate on almost any British plane, and on none from other nations. IIRC, of course. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 10:54:53 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: RE: "Patchwork" CDL Message-ID: Steve Hustad has a lot of artistic talent, and takes a fair amount of license. To me, he sometimes over-does the drybrushing and pencil work, but there is no arguing with the beautiful effect he creates. On the other hand, there are plenty of 1/72 modelers, and Alberto comes to mind, whose models are as just as good without the same embellishments. I also believe that a modeler, as an artist, needs to create and refine his own style, and is poorly served if he imitates too much another's techniques; witness the "Verlinden" effect that has turned a whole generation into clones of that artistic style. Certainly we all pick up and use techniques from others, as has been going on since the second cave artist noticed how good the first guy had done. I try stuff I pick up here and elsewhere all the time. Give it a shot, Matt, but if your stuff starts becoming indistinguishable from Steve's, then we've all lost something. My opinion only, of course... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 12:01:18 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Stair Drawings (was GOTHA) Message-ID: In a message dated 3/27/02 10:58:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, hartc@spot.colorado.edu writes: << There was a recent discussion on the "other" WW I list that noted many inaccuracies in several Fokker drawings published in Datafiles, mostly the length of Fokker steel tube fuselages. The bottom line, measure the drawing, or two or three or five and do the math. It isn't hard. Charles Hart >> One major problem is that while the drawings may be right with themselves, they are rarely printed in the nominal scale. As printed, a 1/48 (or 1/72...although I really wouldn't know as I never mess with these in a Datafile) may be slightly large or small, anywhere from 1/46 to maybe 1/52. Sometimes the drawings aren't true within themselves- in the DH-4 Special the top view span is 1/16" shorter than the front view. This may not seem like alot, and it isn't, but renders as useless the act of laying parts on published plans and saying "This kit sucks-it doesn't match the drawings. The wings are off by 1/16" ". One of the more glaring examples was the old Pup Datafile. Though the large and small scale drawings are nowhere specified as being in any scale, one might think on first glance that they're in 1/48 and 1/72. A ruler laid against the 10' scale bar in the larger drawing measures as a scale 9' 9". Not much until you apply that to the Pup span. The drawing is smaller than 1/48, and the span is off by over a scale foot- over a quarter of an inch- alot in an airplane like the Pup. I haven't done this for all Datafiles, and there may be some in the series that are right on the money, and also this doesn't apply only to Albatros Pubs. If you can scrounge up something resembling reliable dimensions, do your own measuring! RK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 11:33:53 -0600 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: Re: "Patchwork" CDL Message-ID: I feel a bit torn about the way it looks on this model. (I'm also quaking in my boots about critiquing someone like Hustad). The way it was done looks like banding of a pair of ribs or so in a different bolt of fabric. In the picture it looks a little too regular and a stark change between relatively even looking sections, rather than the fabric looking like stains and weathering meld across different bolt lengths. For all I know, what I am criticizing is an artifact of the photo conditions rather than the model, however. I've done only two 'overall' CDL aircraft. The Morane-Saulnier L came out the way I thought it should look (I have soooo got to get film developed and pictures scanned). The Albatros C.III I was a bit disappointed in, it looked like too much contrast to me, but I was too lazy and tired of working the early Eduard kit to redo it. The other point that the style raises is why we don't apply this kind of weathering to lozenge fabric. As the fabric is applied there should be obvious places where a new bolt was used, and there should be print flaws even in the same bolt that make one or two areas look uniformly different from the rest. Hmmmmm, let's see on that next..... Anyway, it is one of those effects that needs to be less subtle on the model than reality to be visible, but then can look way overdone when a 5X7 model has a detail shot expanded to an 8X10. .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 18:51:40 +0100 (CET) From: knut.erik.hagen@login-3.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Hannover Cl.V Message-ID: <20020328175140.DA2BD3456E@login-3.eunet.no> Hei, I was just about to offer a "documentation package" for anyone willing to kit the Hannover Cl.V, seems like I am a little bit to late. My intention is now to send some images of the surviving Hannover Cl.V at NTM to Matt B. so they can go on the wwi-models.org page. I do also have some images from Norwegian sources that can not go on the web, but I can Email them to those who are interested in using them for documentation when building the kit. Send me a mail at knut.erik.hagen@eunet.no to get them. They include a very good shot of an unfinished aircraft devoid of covering. These are Norwegian built aircraft in Norwegian markings. Does someone on the list know if there are different parts in the Polish and German versions of the kits? And does Part plan some etched parts for it? Eders Knut Erik ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 12:53:28 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: "Patchwork" CDL Message-ID: <178.5dda51f.29d4b298@aol.com> In a message dated 3/28/02 7:07:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, tbittners@sprintmail.com writes: << What do people think about Steve Hustad's "patchwork" CDL on his Zeppelin C.II? (Again, it can be found at http://www.kithobbyist.com/VVS/shared.) Would linen weather in this sort of "patchwork" effect? Sure, if there are replacements made in a patch-style I can definitely see it. But what about the day to day weathering? Thoughts/comments? >> To my completely subjective eye, it looks.....weird. Rather than fabric, it gives more of a wood paneled effect. Nicely done, but woody, not "fabricy". RK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 10:31:22 -0800 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: "Patchwork" CDL Message-ID: <005401c1d686$c2e90f60$af884318@cc.shawcable.net> "What do people think about Steve Hustad's "patchwork" CDL on his Zeppelin C.II?..." I was going to stay out of this debate, but having just recovered my 1m:100cm scale model I can add a few things. The fabric attached to a wing is in bolt widths, not matched in strips to the ribs. The reason is primarily to minimize the number of stitched joinings for both weight and stength factors. In addition, if the join is near a rib, then there has to be sufficient overlap to allow both sheets of the fabric to be stitch to the ribs. On a model, it does add some character and depth, but I would not have matched it to the ribs and the areas of tonal variation would be wider. Thats my two cents worth (about 1.25 cents American...) I still wouldn't want to compete against this model, though! Dave Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:36:43 -0500 From: "ot811" To: Subject: Re: "Patchwork" CDL Message-ID: <011f01c1d687$8443a800$0800010a@cyberelan.com> Maybe this is a stupid question, but .. is the patchiness a result of non-uniform application of dope, rather than different pieces of fabric? regards SSH ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 19:32:28 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: "Patchwork" CDL Message-ID: Howdy, I know what ya'll mean. I feel somewhat guilty finding fault with Steve's work when I cannot replicate it myself. Hah! I can't even do the finish, much less scratch build the whole airplane. However, when I was looking at the model, in the plastic, I felt the shadows between the wing ribs to be overdone. Also, the ribs themselves look to be too proud of the wing's surface. >My opinion only, of course... What's this? Is Lance becoming humble in his dotage? That doesn't sound like the ol' rugby player I know! :-) *My* opinion is Lance is one of the best qualified people to critique Hustad's work. While they do not share scales, Lance does work every bit as nice. Adios! Brent _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:49:02 EST From: PetersList@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Stair Drawings (was GOTHA) Message-ID: <15b.b5d4a2a.29d4cdae@aol.com> In a message dated 28/03/02 06:58:40 GMT Standard Time, hartc@spot.colorado.edu writes: << The bottom line, measure the drawing, or two or three or five and do the math. It isn't hard. >> I have found many of his drawings to be underscale, and always by the same percentage. It's just a guess but I think it could be a copier problem, though I admit it's not very likely he has had the same photocopier for more than ten years. What is more difficult to understand is how a fuselage can be a different length in plan than it is in profile. That said I use his drawings all the time, but I do check. cheers Peter L ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4292 **********************