WWI Digest 4287 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: USA Fokker D.VII, What types where they ??? by "David Watts" 2) The Leaders #1EA0 by "Christopher Nopoe" 3) Re: GOTHA by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 4) Re: GOTHA by "Pedro Soares" 5) RE: Fixed by "Diego Fernetti" 6) Re: A-Model SPAD A-4 by "Diego Fernetti" 7) Re: New Virtual Model by "Steven Perry" 8) RE: USA Fokker D.VII, What types where they ??? by "Diego Fernetti" 9) RE: Eric Gallaud does it again by "Diego Fernetti" 10) Re: New Virtual Model by Crawford Neil 11) Re: FK8 question by Crawford Neil 12) RE:Spad 2-seaters by Crawford Neil 13) RE:Spad 2-seaters by "Diego Fernetti" 14) RE:Spad 2-seaters by Crawford Neil 15) RE:Spad 2-seaters by "Matt Bittner" 16) RE:Spad 2-seaters by "Diego Fernetti" 17) RE:Spad 2-seaters by "Matt Bittner" 18) RE:Spad 2-seaters by Crawford Neil 19) clerget questions by Mark Miller 20) RE:Spad 2-seaters by "Diego Fernetti" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 01:21:31 -0500 From: "David Watts" To: Subject: RE: USA Fokker D.VII, What types where they ??? Message-ID: Hi Ross, I rustled up two Albatros built D.VIIs; At McCook field. 5382/18 (US Army Nr. P.210) 6684/18 (US Army Nr. P. 213) I certainly hope to recover the list, but there are two for you. Lee, >From what I know Fokker took 98 D.VII's out to Holland, some finding their way into the Dutch air service. Another 22 aircraft are said to have been delivered in January of 1918 to the German military. Best, Dave W. -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Lee M. Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 12:22 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] RE: USA Fokker D.VII, What types where they ??? They were the latest models available at Wars end and were part of the German Reparations for our expenses in the conduct of WW I. So what ever was made during 1918 ws basically it but the did make some in 1919 ,,,I think. There is no "model" designation with the few photos in the book I have. Lee M. New Braunfels, TX David Watts wrote: > > Hi Ross, > > I have looked thru my material over and over, and somehow I've misplaced one > of my lists so this may not be of any help at all! I'm going to see if I > can get someone to give me the third list. I'm going to break it into two > parts. > > Here's list nr.1; > > FOKKER D.VII (Schwerin-built) [61 of the 142] > > Aircraft Nr. Motor Type Motor Nr. > 4292/18 Mana III 12 > 4330/18 BMW IIIa 1339 > 5051/18 BMW IIIa 1319 > 5074/18 Merc. IIIa 35691 > 5088/18 Merc. IIIa 43327 > 5100/18 Merc. IIIa 43530 > 5138/18 Merc. IIIa 34561 > 7605/18 Merc. IIIa 36966 > 7724/18 Merc. IIIa 12092 > 7729/18 BMW IIIa 1626 > 7730/18 BMW IIIa 1608 > 7732/18 Merc. IIIa 12087 > 7740/18 BMW IIIa 1575 > 7744/18 BMW IIIa 1560 > 7747/18 Merc. IIIa 12096 > 7752/18 Merc. IIIa 45771 > 7753/18 Merc. IIIa 45651 > 7755/18 BMW IIIa 1618 > 7756/18 Merc. IIIa 41152 > 7757/18 BMW IIIa 1623 > 7758/18 Merc. IIIa 42404 > 7761/18 BMW IIIa 1633 > 7762/18 BMW IIIa 1634 > 7763/18 BMW IIIa 1638 > 7764/18 BMW IIIa 1630 > 7765/18 BMW IIIa 1635 > 7766/18 Merc. IIIa 45352 > 7767/18 BMW IIIa 1632 > 7768/18 BMW IIIa 1622 > 7770/18 BMW IIIa 1619 > 7771/18 BMW IIIa 1621 > 7772/18 Merc. IIIa 12132 > 7773/18 BMW IIIa 1682 > 7774/18 Merc. IIIa 35691 > 7775/18 Merc. IIIa 45793 > 7776/18 Merc. IIIa 45778 > 7777/18 Merc. IIIa 45638 > 7780/18 BMW IIIa 1662 > 7781/18 BMW IIIa 1668 > 7782/18 BMW IIIa 1661 > 7783/18 BMW IIIa 1653 > 7785/18 BMW IIIa 1644 > 7786/18 BMW IIIa 1671 > 7787/18 BMW IIIa 1667 > 7788/18 BMW IIIa 1674 > 7789/18 Merc. IIIa 45704 > 7790/18 Merc. IIIa 45678 > 7792/18 Merc. IIIa 45790 > 7793/18 Merc. IIIa 12102 > 7794/18 BMW IIIa 1675 > 7795/18 BMW IIIa 1670 > 7796/18 Merc. IIIa 12141 > 7798/18 Merc. IIIa 12182 > 7799/18 BMW IIIa 1679 > 7800/18 Merc. IIIa 45657 > 7802/18 Merc. IIIa 45685 > 7803/18 Merc. IIIa 45673 > 10347/18 Mana III 23 > 10348/18 Mana III 53 > 10349/18 Merc. IIIa 45700 > 10350/18 Merc. IIIa 45659 > > I'll try to post the next group but this took a while to key in. > > Best wishes, > Dave W. > > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Ross > Moorhouse > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 9:39 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] USA Fokker D.VII, What types where they ??? > > My understanding is that the USA recieved 142 war booty Fokker D.VIIs. Does > anyone know what type they could of been? > > I.E. 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Click Herem ------=_NextPart_001_0080_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0-- ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 08:16:57 +0000 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: GOTHA Message-ID: <1017217017.3ca17ff916101@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Rory Goodwin : > Peter Green, guitarist extarordinaire and founder Fleetwood Mac? I > wondered > whatever happened to him Back playing again with 'Splinter Group' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 08:29:10 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: GOTHA Message-ID: <002301c1d569$77f34ac0$dc7216d5@netcabo.pt> Thanks Rory. That's what I thought. Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 06:50:24 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Fixed Message-ID: <009a01c1d574$d1658ae0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Cool model! Great work John! Thanks a lot, Matt D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Bittner To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 12:55 AM Subject: [WWI] Fixed > FYI...just remembered to fix John Ernst's area. > > > Matt Bittner > WW1 Modeling Page > Assistant Editor > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 06:58:46 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: A-Model SPAD A-4 Message-ID: <012501c1d575$fc5c93a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Steve wrote: > Small diameter elastic sewing thread would be about right in scale looking > at the photos. Scho knows about elastic thread... ;-) Anyway, you can get some very thin elastic thread from old socks and undies elastic rims. D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 04:59:41 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: New Virtual Model Message-ID: <000f01c1d576$1dc6a760$e5001c18@tampabay.rr.com> > Files occasionaly do disappear - but usualy it's > because of "operator error" Thats the usual cause of loosing brass parts from tweezers too. ;-) Keep up the great work, we do enjoy it so. sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 07:10:23 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: USA Fokker D.VII, What types where they ??? Message-ID: <013b01c1d577$9c330b60$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Packard-engined fokkers? Never seen a picture of one of them still in lozenge. Would make for an even more interesting conversion. After all, who would like an airplane model painted green overall? D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Solinski To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 9:19 PM Subject: [WWI] RE: USA Fokker D.VII, What types where they ??? > idea. But I do know that a few received Packard engines instead of the > > Mercedes or BMW engines. Makes them for interesting conversion subjects. > > These planes were painted green overall. > > > Not true! The squadron in action booklet has almost 8 pages of the US > airplanes, Many retained thier lozenge for several years. > > HTH > > Tom s > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 07:47:56 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Eric Gallaud does it again Message-ID: <019101c1d57c$daa08b20$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Eric wrote: > I plan to buy the new Macchi M9 from Choroszy. It must be a great kit and so I > think it is possible to have a good idea of the shape. I love those type of > planes. I am working (looking for information at the moment) on a Georges Levy > HB2. Nice kit but few information. Let us know about the M.9 when you get it. Did it arrived in time to fight in WW1? I know that Argentina had a few. I'll try to check it better (Maybe Martín can help me here) What's a Georges Levy HB2? Pictures, drawings somewhere on the net? Always amazes me the sheer multitude of designs during WW1 Regards D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:58:01 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: New Virtual Model Message-ID: Is it just me or does it strike you as a tad too > green. > I'm thinking I should push it a little more in the > olive drab direction. > > Funny you mentioned that Mark, thats exactly what I thought, I was thinking of saying something to that effect, But decided what the heck, it could be a new aeroplane, dicta ira etc, let Mark do what he likes, so I shut up. Still think it doesn't matter, but if you feel that way, by all means make it browner. thanks for making it at all:-) /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 12:06:10 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: FK8 question Message-ID: Thats curious Paul, I think it's simply a matter of, the mechanic didn't have two for that position, or he forgot to put the second one on, and nobody cared anyway sort of thing. The double wires have no practical function, the second one is only there for safety as I understand it. If you've got two wires and one gets shot off, or fails, nothing happens, if you only have one wire, the wing will probably collapse. Thats what I think anyway. /Neil C. > I'm making up a glamorous (i.e. PC10) Pegasus AW FK8 and just > noticed an > oddity in the rigging as seen in all the Datafile photos. > Does anyone know > why there are 3 sets of double wires and one single, instead of the > more-to-be-expected 4 pairs (per wing)? > > > Paul T. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 12:20:22 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE:Spad 2-seaters Message-ID: Bob was asking about 2-seat Spad serial numbers yesterday. I found this table in the Docavia book about Bernhard. No.de Marche year type no. 155 1917 Spad XI 200 57 1917 Spad XI 300 (including 38 to Russia) 747a 1918 Spad XI 100 (Avenant au 57 marche) 974 1917 Spad XVI 150 1410 1917 Spad XVI 610 Due to armistice 407 completed, 100 uncompleted It won't help you I'm afraid, but I think its interesting anyway. I couldn't transtale "Marche" , does it mean batch? , and what does "Avenant au 57 marche" mean? The fire that stopped production was in the Bernard factory at Corovenue (sp?) No more details on that, Bernhard built 2500 Spads, the remainder were Spad 13's. Also where it says 1918 in the table is not a (my) typo, they seem to have continued to build 11's even after the 16 started production. This just stirs my interest even more! /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 08:32:23 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE:Spad 2-seaters Message-ID: <022201c1d583$10b03520$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Neil! > (Avenant au 57 marche) Maybe a better french speaker than me can help, but I guess that it must refer to 57 machines already issued, if I understand it well (I'm not sure at all). > This just stirs my interest even more! So is mine. Yesterday I primed the whole fuselage prior to make the turtledeck detailing. I discovered a few spots to correct but I couldn't work on it too much since here we had a quite moist weather and the primer coats took ages to dry. Tonight is the night. D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 12:40:48 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE:Spad 2-seaters Message-ID: > Yesterday I primed the whole fuselage prior to make the turtledeck > detailing. I discovered a few spots to correct but I couldn't > work on it too > much since here we had a quite moist weather and the primer > coats took ages > to dry. > Tonight is the night. Bonne chance! Incidentally I did the turtleback on my Spad 12, the same way as Matt, but I was too light handed on the scribing pencil, so most of the detail disappeared under the paint. It's a balance between too much and too little. /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 05:50:05 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: RE:Spad 2-seaters Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 06:42:15 -0500 (EST), Crawford Neil wrote: > Bonne chance! Incidentally I did the turtleback on my Spad 12, the > same way as Matt, but I was too light handed on the scribing pencil, > so most of the detail disappeared under the paint. It's a balance > between too much and too little. I actually make about two to three light passes over each "line". Plus I work on a cutting mat, so there's some give, but not a lot. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 08:50:58 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE:Spad 2-seaters Message-ID: <025601c1d585$a933de80$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Neil, Matt! > Bonne chance! Incidentally I did the turtleback on my Spad 12, the > same way as Matt, but I was too light handed on the scribing pencil, > so most of the detail disappeared under the paint. It's a balance > between too much and too little. I'll try to take care about it. And I was thinking on something else: The area nearest to the cockpit hole were not "fluted" but smooth. I tought on gluing a thin styrene sheet ahead of the stringers and then paint with enamel and sand all to hide any seams. What do you think about it? It's 1/72 too small to have success? D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 06:01:08 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: RE:Spad 2-seaters Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 06:52:26 -0500 (EST), Diego Fernetti wrote: > I'll try to take care about it. And I was thinking on something else: The > area nearest to the cockpit hole were not "fluted" but smooth. I tought on > gluing a thin styrene sheet ahead of the stringers and then paint with > enamel and sand all to hide any seams. What do you think about it? It's 1/72 > too small to have success? On the SA I'm working on now, I actually sanded into the kit's turtledeck, leaving a "ledge" that the "new sheet turtledeck" would fit "into". The only thing to worry about with that is a small seam, and no "step". It worked great on the underside, but I didn't sand enough out of the upper turtledeck to save myself from work. Oh well, that's why it's called "modeling" and not "building". :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 12:59:08 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE:Spad 2-seaters Message-ID: That should work, I did that on the Schneider because I forgot about it when I was scribing. I think I just used putty on my 2-seater Spads. /Neil C. > > I'll try to take care about it. And I was thinking on > something else: The > area nearest to the cockpit hole were not "fluted" but > smooth. I tought on > gluing a thin styrene sheet ahead of the stringers and then paint with > enamel and sand all to hide any seams. What do you think > about it? It's 1/72 > too small to have success? > D. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 04:04:41 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: clerget questions Message-ID: <20020327120442.88154.qmail@web20205.mail.yahoo.com> Hi I want to model a Clerget for my virtual Sopwith Camel. I have a simple plan (from The Nieuport pages) and a couple of photos. But my best reference so far is the Hasagawa 1/6 scale model. I plan to get the dimensions directly off the model Is it accurate ? any additional reference would be appreciated TIA Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 09:06:17 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE:Spad 2-seaters Message-ID: <03bc01c1d587$ccd99f80$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Matt! > On the SA I'm working on now, I actually sanded into the kit's > turtledeck, leaving a "ledge" that the "new sheet turtledeck" > would fit "into". The only thing to worry about with that is a > small seam, and no "step". It worked great on the underside, but > I didn't sand enough out of the upper turtledeck to save myself > from work. That's a great idea I must try on the uderside (I have left it with the lenghtwise "steps" molded/moulded on the kit parts) On the upper turtledeck there's no chance to do it as I've glues and faired the headrest. > Oh well, that's why it's called "modeling" and not > "building". :-) Tell me about it! All this brainstorming is helping mt to have a mental picture of what to do when I will refine the surface of the nieuport 28, as the revell kit shows the stringers "sucked in" along the rear fuselage. D. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4287 **********************