WWI Digest 4277 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Speaking of Profiles by "Bob Pearson" 2) steve by "Mordecai Sheftall" 3) Re: ot tragedy by "John Impenna" 4) Re: ot tragedy by "David's Mail Lists" 5) Who Was Really Looking for the 72nd Eduard Baby? by "Brent Theobald" 6) Re: ot tragedy by Eric GALLAUD 7) Portuguese AA by "Fraser" 8) ot tragedy by "Fraser" 9) Re: Portuguese AA by "Pedro Soares" 10) RE: ot tragedy by "Nigel Rayner" 11) Re: ot tragedy by David Fleming 12) RE: ot tragedy by "Diego Fernetti" 13) RE: ot tragedy by Tom Gourdie 14) Eastern Express Nieuports - any more ? by Dave Fleming 15) Winners at MosquitoCon by tbittners@sprintmail.com 16) Re: ot tragedy by "Dale Sebring" 17) Silly thing I did yesterday by Crawford Neil 18) Re: Silly thing I did yesterday by John_Impenna@hyperion.com 19) Re: Winners at MosquitoCon by VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com 20) FE2b wheel hub question by "ot811" 21) RE: FE2b wheel hub question by "Diego Fernetti" 22) RE: FE2b wheel hub question by Tom Gourdie 23) Re: ot tragedy by "Muth and Zulick" 24) RE: FE2b wheel hub question by "Harris, Mack" 25) RE: FE2b wheel hub question by "ot811" 26) wheel hub qn contd by "ot811" 27) Re: FE2b wheel hub question by "Lance Krieg" 28) Fwd: New decal range now in stock.... by Dave Fleming 29) Re: Sympathies by Al Superczynski 30) Thanks :was: Read this: Linke Hofmann scratch by Steve Cox ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 16:44:46 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Speaking of Profiles Message-ID: <101675911701@216.152.192.208> >From: "Thomas Solinski" > OK you confirmed that I wasn't hallucinating. I do have a two requests. I > have more references than the average modeler but I appear to be lacking > compared to most folks on the WW-I list. In your American profiles there is > a Bre-14 that appears to be all black. Did this color extend to the upper > and lower wing surfaces too? Don't think so. ... would have to check the article I got it from again to be sure though. It is from an early issue of OTF > And for CD v 2.0 please consider a link index by aircraft type. I had a > friend looking for a colorful scheme for a Sopwith PUP and it takes a long,, > loooon g loooooooong time to search through each and every squadron/ > profile. Where as if there were a PUP listing with a dozen or so links It' > be a lot easier to find the stuff Yeah, that is one of the plans for v.2 ... however it will be a lot of work to do so as there are over 1400 profiles on the CD and it would take a lot of time to list them all by type. .. and the decision then would have to be whether they get listed with thumbnails or just text. In the meantime all of the profiles are listed by text in the references section. Just click on the relevant country and see a text listing of all the profiles for that country organized by squadron. Even this listing takes a fair amount of time to keep updated. If I had waited to get everything included that I wanted, the first of the CDs would just be getting made now, rather than have 300 of them in circulation for the last 1 1/2 years. Another thing I want to do is revise the photograph section to better show off the photos I have .. I have 50+ Felixstowes as well as many RNAS Triplane and Camels that haven't been seen in too many places ... The main problem is I have just too many ideas and need to be able to sit down and work on each one for a month of two with no interruptions like finding money for the rent etc etc. .. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:22:01 +0900 From: "Mordecai Sheftall" To: Subject: steve Message-ID: <005801c1d148$5fd91fc0$224f07d3@computer> Steve, I've been where you are right now, although as a brother, not a parent. A drunk driver killed my sister (18 at the time) in 1988. At the time, I didn't think that my family would survive the grief. But we did. I don't mean any disrespect by comparing my own loss with yours. I just want to assure you that the human heart can be strong enough to find its way through the murk of the worst abyss. I pray that you and your family may find that strength within yourselves, and that God, loved ones and friends will help you along the way. Bucky ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:24:43 -0500 From: "John Impenna" To: Subject: Re: ot tragedy Message-ID: <000e01c1d148$bb143a00$f080accf@cable.rcn.com> Steve, Our deepest sympathies and our prayers to you and your family. Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:02:28 -0600 From: "David's Mail Lists" To: Subject: Re: ot tragedy Message-ID: <006901c1d14e$005884e0$9063d918@Jeanne> My prayers are with you. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 03:33:40 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Who Was Really Looking for the 72nd Eduard Baby? Message-ID: Howdy! I have found my 1/72 Sopwith Baby. There was someone overseas that I promised it to. Please contact me at: brent@rollmodels.com I will be traveling this weekend so it will be late Sunday or Monday before I can get back to you. Thanks! Brent _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 04:38:03 +0100 From: Eric GALLAUD To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: ot tragedy Message-ID: <3C9AA71B.70CAFE06@club-internet.fr> Steve, I present to you and your family my sincere condolence. Eric Steve Cox a écrit : > I had an awful family tragedy this morning, I am not going to unsub as I > need some semblance of normality to hold onto, but I probably won't be > contributing for a while. > > Steve > > father of Christopher 1981-2002 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 07:48:52 +0100 From: "Fraser" To: Subject: Portuguese AA Message-ID: <002301c1d16f$2b98be10$63c51bd4@pc145681> Hi, Off to Portugal for ten days...Pedro Knows this and is probably ranging in his Ack Ack.....too bad they'll be in 1/72nd Scale...... :~)) Fraser ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 07:56:31 +0100 From: "Fraser" To: Subject: ot tragedy Message-ID: <002401c1d16f$2c681c00$63c51bd4@pc145681> My thoughts and condolences are with you Steve, hang in there. Regards Fraser & Sylvia ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 07:49:27 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: Portuguese AA Message-ID: <003101c1d176$17edefa0$dc7216d5@netcabo.pt> Fraser So you're coming THIS friday? I thought you were coming only next week. You have my telephone. if you need anything just shout. Please let me know if you're planning to stay with us any days so that I can coordinate things this end. Um abraço Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: Fraser To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 7:02 AM Subject: [WWI] Portuguese AA > Hi, > Off to Portugal for ten days...Pedro Knows this and is probably ranging in > his Ack Ack.....too bad they'll be in 1/72nd Scale...... :~)) > Fraser > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:06:14 -0000 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: RE: ot tragedy Message-ID: <000001c1d180$d1735460$983bedc1@w1o0t3> Steve Cox wrote: >I had an awful family tragedy this morning, I am not going to unsub as I >need some semblance of normality to hold onto, but I probably won't be >contributing for a while. Steve, I am so sorry to hear this news. As others have done, let me express my deepest condolences to you and Janet. My thoughts are with you. With sympathy, Nigel R ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 08:52:49 +0000 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: ot tragedy Message-ID: <3C9AF0E1.FF352581@dial.pipex.com> Steve, Our thoughts and prayers are with you and your family. David, Lesley & Rebecca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 07:01:06 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "ww1 list" Subject: RE: ot tragedy Message-ID: <008401c1d188$7f9ae6a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Steve: I'm deeply shocked to read about your loss. I can't even grasp the terrible loss and sadness that you and your family are suffering now, but you must know that you have a lot of friends that share your grief today and perhaps can help you to make your burden a little lighter. You are in our prayers and mind. With our deepest condolences Diego and Wanda ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:06:26 -0000 From: Tom Gourdie To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: ot tragedy Message-ID: Steve My thoughts are with you and your family. Not the same thing but something tragic happened to my sister a long time ago and it was earth-shattering. It doesn't feel like it now, and it will feel that it never will, but time will heal. In the meantime hang on to the fact that people are mostly good and will give you lots of support and help at the time when you need it. Take care. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Steve Cox [mailto:steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 21 March 2002 19:57 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] ot tragedy I had an awful family tragedy this morning, I am not going to unsub as I need some semblance of normality to hold onto, but I probably won't be contributing for a while. Steve father of Christopher 1981-2002 This message is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please notify us immediately. You may not copy it or use this message for any purpose or disclose its contents to any other person or take any action based on them. E-Mails are susceptible to interference. UCAS accepts no responsibility for information, errors or omissions in this e-mail nor for its use or misuse nor for any act committed or omitted in connection with this communication. If in doubt, please verify the authenticity of the contents with the sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:15:14 +0000 From: Dave Fleming To: Subject: Eastern Express Nieuports - any more ? Message-ID: <1016799314.3c9b205267036@netmail.pipex.net> The list is quiet today, no doubt reflecting all our shock at Steve's tragic news. It seems trivial to be concerned with toy aeroplanes, but Steve said he was staying subbed for a degree of normality, so here goes ! Has anyone heard any more about the Eastern Express Nieuports beyond the info from Windsock ? I've found nothing about these on any site or in any of the new kit lists published yet. I hope they are not a phantom sighting. The only thing I found was the old box art on the PMMS page http://pmms.webace.com.au/ww1/easternexpress.htm Dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 08:11:31 -0500 (EST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Winners at MosquitoCon Message-ID: <20020322131131.47DAD468CF@eclipse.qis.net> They have posted the winners for MosquitoCon at: http://www.njipms.org/MCon2002/winners.htm Looks like Andrei won with his Caudron, but he has a lot of restitution for his other win. What a heathen! :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 06:30:59 -0700 From: "Dale Sebring" To: Subject: Re: ot tragedy Message-ID: <002601c1d1a5$cf21ea80$8ea58dd0@RDS> Steve, I'm very sorry-please accept our love & prayers. May the Lords comfort be with you & family! Dale & Gloria Sebring ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 15:50:16 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'Multiple recipients of list '" Subject: Silly thing I did yesterday Message-ID: Yesterday afternoon I was resting my feet on something under my new desk, and it fell off, it was the CPU! Its dead as a dead herring, so I'm writing this on a portable PC I borrowed. I'm unsubbing till I get it fixed . Bye for now. /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:53:41 -0500 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Silly thing I did yesterday Message-ID: ROTFLMAO!!!!! Been there, done that, still got the pile of junk!!!!!!! Regards, John Crawford Neil olvo.com> cc: Sent by: Subject: [WWI] Silly thing I did yesterday wwi@wwi-models.o rg 03/22/2002 09:52 AM Please respond to wwi Yesterday afternoon I was resting my feet on something under my new desk, and it fell off, it was the CPU! Its dead as a dead herring, so I'm writing this on a portable PC I borrowed. I'm unsubbing till I get it fixed . Bye for now. /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:26:28 EST From: VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Winners at MosquitoCon Message-ID: <9.2528648b.29cca724@aol.com> --part1_9.2528648b.29cca724_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/22/2002 8:13:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, tbittners@sprintmail.com writes: > Looks like Andrei won with his Caudron, Congratulations Andrei, Best of show to boot, here's a big "ATTA BOY" Best Regards, Jon --part1_9.2528648b.29cca724_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/22/2002 8:13:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, tbittners@sprintmail.com writes:


Looks like Andrei won with his Caudron,


Congratulations Andrei, Best of show to boot, here's a big  "ATTA BOY"

Best Regards,
 Jon 


             

--part1_9.2528648b.29cca724_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:33:10 -0500 From: "ot811" To: "wwi-list" Subject: FE2b wheel hub question Message-ID: <017d01c1d1b6$e5fab370$0800010a@cyberelan.com> Hell all, I am planning to replace the kit-supplied wheels on my 1:48 Aeroclub FE2b, with spoked wheels. In front view, (that is, edge on), the wheel hub cover stick out like a cone on only one side. I assume that wheel spokes have to be symmetrical. Therefore, the hub cover does not touching the spokes, but is stretched outward. Is my assumption correct? regards SSH ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:42:04 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: FE2b wheel hub question Message-ID: <025b01c1d1b8$1e2df300$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hi Sanjeev No, some spoked wheels weren't symmetrical. The hub cover (IIRC were made of cloth in the FE2s) just follow the angles of the spokes. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: ot811 To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 12:33 PM Subject: [WWI] FE2b wheel hub question > Hell all, > I am planning to replace the kit-supplied wheels on my 1:48 Aeroclub > FE2b, with spoked wheels. In front view, (that is, edge on), the wheel hub > cover stick out like a cone on only one side. I assume that wheel spokes > have to be symmetrical. Therefore, the hub cover does not touching the > spokes, but is stretched outward. > Is my assumption correct? > regards > SSH > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 15:52:34 -0000 From: Tom Gourdie To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: FE2b wheel hub question Message-ID: Sanjeev I think they were not always symmetrical and in fact - if my memory serves me correctly - this lack of symmetry was sometimes used to increase the wheeltrack distance by reversing the wheels on the axle to improve taxying/landing etc stability. I am sure I have seen a photograph of a 504K with such an arrangement. Tom -----Original Message----- From: ot811 [mailto:ot811@myrealbox.com] Sent: 22 March 2002 15:34 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] FE2b wheel hub question Hell all, I am planning to replace the kit-supplied wheels on my 1:48 Aeroclub FE2b, with spoked wheels. In front view, (that is, edge on), the wheel hub cover stick out like a cone on only one side. I assume that wheel spokes have to be symmetrical. Therefore, the hub cover does not touching the spokes, but is stretched outward. Is my assumption correct? regards SSH This message is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please notify us immediately. You may not copy it or use this message for any purpose or disclose its contents to any other person or take any action based on them. E-Mails are susceptible to interference. UCAS accepts no responsibility for information, errors or omissions in this e-mail nor for its use or misuse nor for any act committed or omitted in connection with this communication. If in doubt, please verify the authenticity of the contents with the sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:18:47 -0500 From: "Muth and Zulick" To: Subject: Re: ot tragedy Message-ID: <006c01c1d1bd$3fa84120$0100005a@ptd.net> Steve I hope somehow, at some point in time, you will be able to come to peace about this. You have my deepest regards. Mike Muth Steve Cox wrote: > > > > I had an awful family tragedy this morning, I am not going to unsub as I > > need some semblance of normality to hold onto, but I probably won't be > > contributing for a while. > > > > Steve > > > > father of Christopher 1981-2002 > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:10:27 -0600 From: "Harris, Mack" To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: FE2b wheel hub question Message-ID: The early Dh2 did this also, ie reversed the wheels to get a greater stability. don't you know if you modeled that some judges would count off for putting the wheels on backwards. Mack Sanjeev I think they were not always symmetrical and in fact - if my memory serves me correctly - this lack of symmetry was sometimes used to increase the wheeltrack distance by reversing the wheels on the axle to improve taxying/landing etc stability. I am sure I have seen a photograph of a 504K with such an arrangement. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:25:19 -0500 From: "ot811" To: Subject: RE: FE2b wheel hub question Message-ID: <01a601c1d1be$399768a0$0800010a@cyberelan.com> Tom, Diego, Are there any close-up photos on-line of such wheels? I cannot understand why anybody would build wheels with asymmetric spokes. Even if it is physically possible, the construction would be weak. My reasoning is as follows: Spoked wheels derive their strength from the tensile strength of the spokes, not the compression strength. (and this is the critical assumption) Further, the spokes are sdjusted such that each spoke is under mild tension. If it were not, the rim would wobble. Remember how you had to tighten the spokes on your bicycle wheels? If you tried to make a wheel where one set of spokes formed a flat plane, and the other set formed a cone, then when you tightened the spokes, the straight set would just bend over! Tom, I agree that the hub itself can be asymmetric, - it is so on the FE2b too. What I mean is, the spokes are symmetric, but the hub itself sticks out more on one side. That would explain the ability to chaneg the wheel-track. regards SSH ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:38:54 -0500 From: "ot811" To: "wwi-list" Subject: wheel hub qn contd Message-ID: <01b401c1d1c0$10880440$0800010a@cyberelan.com> To further clarify, here are some fine drawings of the edge on view. An asymmetric wheel either is like this |\ = |/ or, like this /\ == \/ In the former, the spokes are assymentric. In the latter, the spokes are symmetric, but the hub-tube is off . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:44:11 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: FE2b wheel hub question Message-ID: Sanjeev: "...assumes that wheel spokes have to be symmetrical." I don't know about this. Why can't one side have longer spokes - and therefore a more conical shape - than the other? The wheel will run straight as long as the hub is parallel to the ground and centered between the rims. Somewhere I've got pictures of a whole pile of spoked aero wheels... I'll have to check this out. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 16:51:38 +0000 From: Dave Fleming To: Subject: Fwd: New decal range now in stock.... Message-ID: <1016815898.3c9b611a567c3@netmail.pipex.net> ----- Forwarded message from The Office ----- Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:48:09 +0000 From: The Office We now have the MP Decal range in stock. Please see the web site for pictures. http://www.hannants.co.uk World exclusive to Hannants outside the Czech Republic. MPD72018A 1:72 Lower surface 4 colour lozenge for one small aircraft £1.50 £1.28 MPD72018B 1:72 Upper surface 4 colour lozenge for one small aircraft £1.50 £1.28 Any of our Czech listees familiar with this range ? price is remarkably good for someone like me who only uses lozenge occasionally. David Fleming ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:24:46 -0600 From: Al Superczynski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Sympathies Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:33:17 -0500 (EST), Ken wrote: >Deepest sympathies from Arkansas... And from N. Little Rock as well. What horrific news! May God keep and sustain you and yours in this time of grief, Steve. Al ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 22:56:09 +0000 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Thanks :was: Read this: Linke Hofmann scratch Message-ID: Hans, I am on this list because I like watching silly small plastic pieces, and I don't expect or want the list to stop. Janet, Nicholas and I should like to thank everyone for all the messages of sympathy and the support you have given us. Steve > From: "Hans Trauner" > Subject: [WWI] Read this: Linke Hofmann scratch > > After Steve's message I am somewhat paralized. I am contemplating if this is > the right time to watch silly small plastic pieces. > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4277 **********************