WWI Digest 4253 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) camel questions by "Fraser" 2) new web page by "Fraser" 3) Re: Revell AG's 1:48 SE5a & D.VII.. Public boycotts a no by PetersList@aol.com 4) Re: New Albatrso D V and Rol CIIa by Eduard -first by Paul Thompson 5) Welcome Eric wasRE: Re: Ardpol Resin query by Crawford Neil 6) Re: Revell AG's 1:48 SE5a & D.VII.. Public boycotts a no by David Fleming 7) Re: Revell AG's 1:48 SE5a & D.VII.. Public boycotts a no by "Ross Moorhouse" 8) Re: Revell AG's 1:48 SE5a & D.VII.. Public boycotts a n by Crawford Neil 9) Re: Revell AG's 1:48 SE5a & D.VII.. Public boycotts a n by "Steven Perry" 10) Re: Revell AG's 1:48 SE5a & D.VII.. Public boycotts a n by "Diego Fernetti" 11) Re: Revell AG's 1:48 SE5a & D.VII.. Public boycotts a n by "Steven Perry" 12) Re: Revell AG's 1:48 SE5a & D.VII.. Public boycotts a n by "Steven Perry" 13) Contracteors changes wasRE: Re: Revell AG's 1:48 SE5a & D.V by Crawford Neil 14) Re: new web page by Crawford Neil 15) Re: new web page by "Matt Bittner" 16) Re: Revell AG's 1:48 SE5a & D.VII.. Public boycotts a n by "Diego Fernetti" 17) Re: Revell AG's 1:48 SE5a & D.VII.. Public boycotts a n by Crawford Neil 18) Re: Revell AG's 1:48 SE5a & D.VII.. Public boycotts a n by "Diego Fernetti" 19) New Revell releases by "ZELNICK, KENNETH T" 20) Re: Revell AG's 1:48 SE5a & D.VII.. Public boycotts a n by Crawford Neil 21) Those Control Thingies by "Raymond Rangel" 22) Re: Those Control Thingies by "Michael Kendix" 23) Re: ot 1942 German bomber colors help, etc. by Tom Plesha 24) Re: new web page by Mark Miller 25) Jasta 11 color question by Mark Miller 26) Nieuport 27 cowl retaining strip by a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it 27) Re: Nieuport 27 cowl retaining strip by "Lance Krieg" 28) RE: pilot figures by Crawford Neil 29) R: Re: Nieuport 27 cowl retaining strip by a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it 30) Re: seats and belts by "Lance Krieg" 31) RE: R: Re: Nieuport 27 cowl retaining strip by "Diego Fernetti" 32) Albatros Fuselages Redux by "Lance Krieg" 33) Re: Albatros Fuselages Redux by "Michael Kendix" 34) Re: Albatros Fuselages Redux by Dave F 35) RE: pilot figures by "Diego Fernetti" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 07:42:21 +0100 From: "Fraser" To: Subject: camel questions Message-ID: <000401c1ca5c$bbe2ced0$db4ab13e@pc145681> Hi Mark Found your comments on Acrylic darkening interesting in the light of my attempts yesterday to hand paint the roundels on the bottom wings of my HobbyCraft Camel....looked right in the airbrush bowl....its almost black on the machine...*&^^##@ .... Re: Camels: I've got a series of shots of the one in the IWM in London. It's a shipboard Camel and sports bellcranks or whatever they're called... on the sides of the fuselage to permit tail removal. The *Gap* or not ahead of the cockpit is, from what I've been able to find out, a field mod. One assumes it was done to make access to the vickers guns a bit easier. On the Hobby Craft kit there was nothing...just a hole with to vickers sitting there sans belts or anything. I infilled it with scrap sheet. This modification also means there were lots of odd mods to the windshield as well...the varieties are endless. You are more than welcome to the reference shots I've got - I was using a medium tele and you can get on eyelevel with the beastie at the IWM so some of the shots may be useful. Drop me a line off-list as I'm in digest mood/mode Regards Fraser ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 08:07:34 +0100 From: "Fraser" To: Subject: new web page Message-ID: <000f01c1ca5d$c0c96d40$db4ab13e@pc145681> Amazing, Anyone want to buy some second hand brushes?? Marks work is truly stunning. Regards Frase ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 02:54:55 EST From: PetersList@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Revell AG's 1:48 SE5a & D.VII.. Public boycotts a no Message-ID: <16d.a2ceafc.29c05fcf@aol.com> I can see no reason why listees shouldn't write to Revell and express their opinions, but surely it would be more productive to take a positive line. Perhaps expressing satisfaction that a new generation of modelers can enjoy the kits we all cut our OT modeling teeth on, even though we won't ourselves be buying them again. Encourage them to sell millions and follow up with a new SPAD VII tooling. my twopenn'th Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:07:05 +0100 From: Paul Thompson To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: New Albatrso D V and Rol CIIa by Eduard -first Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020313085648.00a02290@pop.xs4all.nl> Rory, The Part Vickers I've not seen (and may even have imagined, who knows), but I've seen others such as that on the Airwaves WW1 generic details set in 1/72nd, and their Camel set. These are relief etched jackets, and were produced I think before alternatives such as Aeroclub.They where not brilliant but where better than the kit supplied versions. I agree there is little benefit for a Vickers barrel, over white metal. However, a choice of sights, and cocking levers etc, would be an improvement. In 1/72nd I usually use Aeroclub bits, especially when the guns are not easily visible, or leftovers from Toko Strutters and Airfix Pups. OTOH for the 1/28th Camel and Spad I'm doing (real-soon-now) I'll use CSM Vickers. I've got these and made them up already. They are excellent. The bodies are resin, the jackets and ancillary bits PE. I don't think white metal would be anything as crisp or detailed in this scale. Sorry to ramble on, but I'm now really doubting I saw the Part Vickers in the local shop. Ah, the wonders of a 100 year old brain in a 44 year old head! Paul T. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:00:29 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Welcome Eric wasRE: Re: Ardpol Resin query Message-ID: Hi Eric, Very glad to see your name on the list, there has been a lot of comment here about your very nice models. I particuarly liked the Caudron J, you are a very brave man! I believe you are from France, we are a small group of francophiles on the list that are very pleased that you finally arrived on list. Please stick around, it can sometimes be a very frustrating experience, but well worth it, because you can learn a lot here. I have saved myself some bad modelling slips thanks to the list. Best regards and welcome from Sweden. /Neil C. > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric GALLAUD [mailto:egallaud@club-internet.fr] > Sent: den 12 mars 2002 21:19 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: Ardpol Resin query > > > Hello all, > > I bought the DH9 and the Halberstadt CL IV from ARPDOL, both > are very nice > models, very few bubbles, lot of details outside and inside. > I will bougth some other kits later. > > Eric > > Brian Nicklas a écrit : > > > Just got some of the last issues of Windsock. One has a > quick review of > > the Ardpol Halberstadt Cl.IV > > Anyone else seen this? What is the general thought on Ardpol kits? > > I've noticed that where Windsock might give a fairly > favorable review to > > something, the membership here might review something a little more > > straightforward, as in no reading between the lines, > straight talking > > review. > > I seem to recall that Ardpol is available only at Jadar... > (at least to > > those of us in North America) > > Brian > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:18:12 +0000 From: David Fleming To: Subject: Re: Revell AG's 1:48 SE5a & D.VII.. Public boycotts a no Message-ID: <1016011092.3c8f1954b4d77@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Ross Moorhouse : > Whos knows maybe one day we will see Revell re-release their 1/72nd DH2 > and > Fokker E.III. Then I will be right back in my bothood days. > I wouldn't bet against the EIII once the Eduard one comes out, but it will be an interesting comaprison !! I want the Sopwith Triplane back !!! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:26:13 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Revell AG's 1:48 SE5a & D.VII.. Public boycotts a no Message-ID: <00af01c1ca71$1ebe7cc0$76492dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> D!OH I forgot about the Eduard E.III coming out.. Cheers Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Fleming" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 8:20 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Revell AG's 1:48 SE5a & D.VII.. Public boycotts a no > > Quoting Ross Moorhouse : > > > Whos knows maybe one day we will see Revell re-release their 1/72nd DH2 > > and > > Fokker E.III. Then I will be right back in my bothood days. > > > > I wouldn't bet against the EIII once the Eduard one comes out, but it will be > an interesting comaprison !! > > I want the Sopwith Triplane back !!! > > Dave > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:03:53 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Revell AG's 1:48 SE5a & D.VII.. Public boycotts a n Message-ID: I think all you 1/48 modellers should buy at least three of these new Revell kits, so as to encourage them to re-release their 1/72 SE5a. TIA! /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 05:18:11 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Revell AG's 1:48 SE5a & D.VII.. Public boycotts a n Message-ID: <003d01c1ca78$6112e8c0$0fe82341@tampabay.rr.com> > I think all you 1/48 modellers should buy at least three > of these new Revell kits, so as to encourage them to > re-release their 1/72 SE5a. > TIA! > /Neil C. Yeah, we need wings for Rosemont conversion kits ;-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 07:22:20 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Revell AG's 1:48 SE5a & D.VII.. Public boycotts a n Message-ID: <00bb01c1ca78$f58c8d80$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Steve wrote: > Yeah, we need wings for Rosemont conversion kits ;-) You can always use Esci wings ;-) D. diving into friendly clouds ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 05:32:19 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Revell AG's 1:48 SE5a & D.VII.. Public boycotts a n Message-ID: <005f01c1ca7a$5a9ddac0$0fe82341@tampabay.rr.com> > > Yeah, we need wings for Rosemont conversion kits ;-) > > You can always use Esci wings ;-) > D. > diving into friendly clouds Rat tat tat tat (The sound of MG fire into clouds) ;-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 05:40:10 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Revell AG's 1:48 SE5a & D.VII.. Public boycotts a n Message-ID: <006c01c1ca7b$737944c0$0fe82341@tampabay.rr.com> > Steve wrote: > > > Yeah, we need wings for Rosemont conversion kits ;-) > > You can always use Esci wings ;-) This does bring up a question however. There is lots of evidence that wing panels and other flying surfaces were interchanged as part of the repair process. On something like the SE or the Camel which were produced by many contractors, were the panels close enough to be interchangeable between contractors? Overall shape had to be pretty close, but what about fittings and hardware? Not that it matters in our scales, just curious if anyone has seen mention of this in their readings. sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 12:05:57 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Contracteors changes wasRE: Re: Revell AG's 1:48 SE5a & D.V Message-ID: Not exactly, but reading the Crowood Royal Aircraft Factory book has revealed to me that the Be2, Re8 and Fe2 all had basically the same wing panels. Didn't realise that. Batches of WW1 aircraft were built in different factories and Steves idea here certainly makes good sense. I do know that Spad colour schemes varied between factories, can't think of an example of hardware difference though. /Neil C. > This does bring up a question however. > > There is lots of evidence that wing panels and other flying > surfaces were > interchanged as part of the repair process. On something like > the SE or the > Camel which were produced by many contractors, were the > panels close enough > to be interchangeable between contractors? Overall shape had > to be pretty > close, but what about fittings and hardware? Not that it > matters in our > scales, just curious if anyone has seen mention of this in > their readings. > sp > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 12:16:48 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: new web page Message-ID: They are glorious Mark, I'm not sure if I've seen the Leutnant Leptien Ja12 DV before, the view from behind high above the the landscape is one of your best. All the profiles are DV's I presume, it's a pity the Revell kit in the collectors series is a DIII, they are not usually so colouful I believe. Your site makes me want to build Albatrosses,! /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 05:58:37 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: new web page Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 06:19:07 -0500 (EST), Crawford Neil wrote: > They are glorious Mark, I'm not sure if I've seen the > Leutnant Leptien Ja12 DV before, the view from behind Psst. Mark. Leptien didn't fly with Jasta 12, did he? ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:08:39 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Revell AG's 1:48 SE5a & D.VII.. Public boycotts a n Message-ID: <00fc01c1ca87$d037d440$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> > Rat tat tat tat > (The sound of MG fire into clouds) ;-) > sp Ha ha ha ha ha! you'll never get me with that uneven SE5a! ;-) D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:11:14 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Revell AG's 1:48 SE5a & D.VII.. Public boycotts a n Message-ID: Except you're flying an Albie DV, and the top wing just flew off! /Neil C. > Ha ha ha ha ha! you'll never get me with that uneven SE5a! ;-) > D. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:18:05 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Revell AG's 1:48 SE5a & D.VII.. Public boycotts a n Message-ID: <011001c1ca89$215a9780$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Dang! And what is worst, my albatros D.V is just and Airfix! AAARGHH! D. PS: I never tought that I would be able to play with the models by Email as one would do in real life, but here we are, spinning, rolling and looping on the net! ----- Original Message ----- From: Crawford Neil To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 9:13 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: Revell AG's 1:48 SE5a & D.VII.. Public boycotts a n > Except you're flying an Albie DV, and the top wing just flew off! > /Neil C. > > > > Ha ha ha ha ha! you'll never get me with that uneven SE5a! ;-) > > D. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 06:29:25 -0600 From: "ZELNICK, KENNETH T" To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: New Revell releases Message-ID: <15888960D28CD211AD1900105A24907803EC95D1@ano-exs02.ano.entergy.com> Greetings all, I for one wouldn't want to discourage Revell (or anyone else) from making "low end" kits, as these comprise the majority of my stash. Looking through it, you would see a predominance of Smer and Glencoe kits (most of which were bought before I joined this list, and didn't know any better). After hearing the glowing commentaries from this list, I would love to build one of Erics gems, but right now I can't justify spending that much money on a kit, so I build what I have and do my own modifications, usually scratching cockpit interiors instead of buying aftermarket details. I have fun doing this, and nobody in my family or local circle of friends would know the difference anyway. As for beginning modelers, these are a good starting point. I know my son would have had more luck getting me to buy him a $10 model instead of a $50 one. And as their interest grows they can choose to buy the more advanced kits, or follow my path and do their own upgrades. Just my $.02, FWIW, YMMV, and all that. Dicta Ira, Ken Zelnick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:46:51 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Revell AG's 1:48 SE5a & D.VII.. Public boycotts a n Message-ID: I'm handicapped by flying Revells 1/69 scale Spad, its too big and clumsy, so I never manage to catch up with any of you. BUT I have overscale machine-guns, so if I do, watch out! /Neil C. > > Dang! > And what is worst, my albatros D.V is just and Airfix! > AAARGHH! > D. > PS: I never tought that I would be able to play with the > models by Email as > one would do in real life, but here we are, spinning, rolling > and looping on > the net! > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 07:57:02 -0500 From: "Raymond Rangel" To: "WWI Mail List" Subject: Those Control Thingies Message-ID: Answers to "What do you call those flight control thingies that you see on the sides of fuse like on DH-2 and other aeroplanes of that era... Well those "thingies" still exist today in the most modern of aircraft. They are inside the fuse and part of complex electrical and hydraulic computer controlled subsystems, but they are still there. After all is said an done, we still, at some point, have to turn linear movement into rotational movement to move a control surface...a B-2 Spirit has more in common with a Fokker Spinne than not. Anyhow, enough of my pontification, on to the answer... If they are simple levers, they are horns or...drum roll please...levers. If they are levers, but have a third lever in the middle connected to the contol source, they are bell cranks. If they look like two pizza slices stuck together at the pointy end, they are called a quadrant. Ray Rangel ray.rangel@worldnet.att.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:12:36 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Those Control Thingies Message-ID: Well, thanks to everyone who contributed to answering my question. I have several options because there doesn't appear to be a consensus but I will try to make it clear when I do the write-up, I hope! Thanks very much, Michael NB Strutter "Comic" NU off topic - you don't want to know - devil made me do it. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 05:44:30 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Plesha To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: ot 1942 German bomber colors help, etc. Message-ID: <20020313134430.7927.qmail@web20511.mail.yahoo.com> RLM 66 Later Tom --- Rory Goodwin wrote: > Sorry for the ot post, but I'm bashing an Italeri > Do-217M (N-1 + K-1 = > E-2/3/4/5 & M-1 and need to know what color to paint > the cockpit > interior (02 as the instructions suggest, or 66 as I > supect?). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 2002 05:57:16 -0800 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: new web page Message-ID: <20020313135716.6122.cpmta@c016.snv.cp.net> On Wed, 13 March 2002, "Matt Bittner" wrote: Psst. Mark. Leptien didn't fly with Jasta 12, did he? ;-) > > > Matt Bittner Hi Matt No - Jasta 12 is definitly not right. I labeled the profile: "Albatros DVa Ltn. Hermann Leptien Jasta 63" is that right? I think I got that off your page on the cookup Dave threw those pages together surprisingly quickly. so it's not too surprising that some tweaking is neccesary. I have found a couple of things which need correction or additional data. if anybody sees something wrong - please feel free to bring it to my attention ;-) I should also write up something for that "meet the Artist" page - what's in there now is just something I posted to the Aerodrome Forum and it doesn't make a lot of sense. And thanks for the comments Neil :-) Mark Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 2002 06:04:45 -0800 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Jasta 11 color question Message-ID: <20020313140445.6464.cpmta@c016.snv.cp.net> I made up a series of renderings of a DV which was supposed to be of a J11 aircraft. red from just forward of the cockpit up to the spinner. white tail and here's the problem - 5 color lozenge wings My refernce indicates the wings were purple/green. can't remeber where I got that now - either Bob or the Osprey book. In any case- Did a plane exist that looked like this? I didn't notice my error until after I had rendered about 5 images - and some are rather nice also did the same scheme but with a light purple (sort of lilac) colored tail. again with lozenge wing camo. ?? pretty dumb Mark Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:00:16 +0100 From: a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it To: "Wwi Modeling List \(E-mail\)" Subject: Nieuport 27 cowl retaining strip Message-ID: <43EB244779F3D411966E0060082C59E90F05C6@SERVER1> Although I still have to search through my modest files, I would like to get comments from the List about the way in which the engine cowling retaining metal strip was fastened to the airframe. A quick glance at some pictures suggests that: - it was made of two separate strips.... - which were bolted to the engine plate lower corners... - and fastened one to the other at the cowling top. Is this true ? TIA ! Alberto Casirati --- [Questa mail e' stata controllata dai software antivirus e antispamming di Planet Service srl - www.planetservice.biz ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:02:10 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Nieuport 27 cowl retaining strip Message-ID: Alberto wonders about cowl retaining straps: There are pictures (of N.17s? 24? I don't know) that show this strap as a single piece, attached at the lower corners as you suggest. The strap fits into the channel around the cowl, and then is drawn tight in the same manner as a ski-boot buckle - by flipping the latch back on itself and increasing the tension. Look through the Nieuport Datafile specials - I'm sure it is well illustrated. Did they use this on N.27? Don't know, but would suspect "yes". Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:16:48 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: pilot figures Message-ID: Well I went up to the attic, and there is some good news and some bad news. The good news is that I found a 1/32 scale standing mechanic figure from the Matchbox Tiger Moth. I'd obviously used the pilot. The bad news is that I realised that I want it for myself, I'm (very slowly) building a 1/36 scale DH83 Fox Moth, and this guy is 176cm in 1/32 scale i.e. a small guy (bigger than me I'm 173), and in 1/36 he would be 1.98 ,that is rather big but not by too much. I could probably shorten his legs a bit, after all he is only a mechanic, not a manly pilot. So, sorry Fraser I'm keeping him, but if you can find a Matchbox Tiggie, there are a couple of nice figures in it, as well as a nice Tiger Moth. /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:04:47 +0100 From: a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it To: Subject: R: Re: Nieuport 27 cowl retaining strip Message-ID: <43EB244779F3D411966E0060082C59E90F05C7@SERVER1> Thanks, Lance ! I will have a look at the Datafile soon. Sorry about the language mistake (strips instead of straps.....oh no). Ciao, Alberto -----Messaggio originale----- Da: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]Per conto di Lance Krieg Inviato: mercoledì 13 marzo 2002 16.05 A: Multiple recipients of list Oggetto: [WWI] Re: Nieuport 27 cowl retaining strip Alberto wonders about cowl retaining straps: There are pictures (of N.17s? 24? I don't know) that show this strap as a single piece, attached at the lower corners as you suggest. The strap fits into the channel around the cowl, and then is drawn tight in the same manner as a ski-boot buckle - by flipping the latch back on itself and increasing the tension. Look through the Nieuport Datafile specials - I'm sure it is well illustrated. Did they use this on N.27? Don't know, but would suspect "yes". Lance --- [Questa mail e' stata controllata dai software antivirus e antispamming di Planet Service srl - www.planetservice.biz ] --- [Questa mail e' stata controllata dai software antivirus e antispamming di Planet Service srl - www.planetservice.biz ] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:23:09 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: seats and belts Message-ID: Voler has already tackled most of this, but: "...were there seatbelts also over the pilot's shoulders?" I believe this answer to be "yes", and think that by 1916 and the common use of fuselage-mounted guns, some restraint to keep the pilot from smashing his face in a rough landing was almost always present. In any event, I am sure I have seen these shoulder belts on Albatros D.III, and the earlier Albatrosen, too. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 12:24:34 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: R: Re: Nieuport 27 cowl retaining strip Message-ID: <01f801c1caa3$3ba2f5a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> > Sorry about the language mistake (strips instead of straps.....oh no). Sounds stroppy! D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:32:56 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Albatros Fuselages Redux Message-ID: The question of stained/natural fuselages on the early Albatros products still lingers, with some folks suggesting that any dark appearance is the result of ortho film artificially darkening the blond plywood. The film "Four Years of Thunder" lays this to rest, as scenes of Albatros D.IIs in the factory clearly show the dark outer skin of the fuselage, and a light-skinned interior. My gratitude to those who steered me to this fine video; it's amazing how much one can pick up in a 5-second snippet of period film. My wife, though, does not seem to be enjoying it as much as I... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:42:50 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Albatros Fuselages Redux Message-ID: >From: "Lance Krieg" >The film "Four Years of Thunder" lays this to rest, as scenes of >Albatros >D.IIs in the factory clearly show the dark outer skin of the >fuselage, and >a light-skinned interior. > >My gratitude to those who steered me to this fine video; it's amazing >how >much one can pick up in a 5-second snippet of period film. Please can you tell me where one might locate this video for rental or purchase? >My wife, though, does not seem to be enjoying it as much as I... This can be remedied by a large bottle of Bailey's Irish Cream (YRMV) Michael YRMV = "your remedy may vary" _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:53:02 +0000 From: Dave F To: Subject: Re: Albatros Fuselages Redux Message-ID: <1016034782.3c8f75de72f66@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Lance Krieg : > The question of stained/natural fuselages on the early Albatros products > > still lingers, with some folks suggesting that any dark appearance is > the > result of ortho film artificially darkening the blond plywood. IIRC, this was one of DSA's theories, but I may be wrong > > The film "Four Years of Thunder" lays this to rest, as scenes of > Albatros > D.IIs in the factory clearly show the dark outer skin of the fuselage, > and a light-skinned interior. > > My gratitude to those who steered me to this fine video; it's amazing > how > much one can pick up in a 5-second snippet of period film. My wife, > though, does not seem to be enjoying it as much as I... > I can understand that if you keep replaying the same 5 seconds. dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 12:26:10 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: pilot figures Message-ID: <000001c1caa8$1917ef40$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Neil! To modify the figure and make it smaller, don't cut the legs only (it'll trash the proportions) Cut a small slice on the waist, cut the arms free if possible and make the shoulders a just a little narrower. I guess the you'll do enough with that, but if you need to change more, I'd advise you to use a Tamiya soldier, they're quite good at 1/35 (about 1,75 m average) D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Crawford Neil To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 12:19 PM Subject: [WWI] RE: pilot figures > > Well I went up to the attic, and there is some good news > and some bad news. The good news is that I found a 1/32 > scale standing mechanic figure from the Matchbox Tiger Moth. > I'd obviously used the pilot. The bad news is that I realised > that I want it for myself, I'm (very slowly) building a 1/36 > scale DH83 Fox Moth, and this guy is 176cm in 1/32 scale i.e. > a small guy (bigger than me I'm 173), and in 1/36 he would be > 1.98 ,that is rather big but not by too much. I could probably > shorten his legs a bit, after all he is only a mechanic, not > a manly pilot. > So, sorry Fraser I'm keeping him, but if you can find a Matchbox > Tiggie, there are a couple of nice figures in it, as well as > a nice Tiger Moth. > /Neil C. > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4253 **********************