WWI Digest 4220 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes by Ken Schmitt 2) Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes by Volker Haeusler 3) RE: Roden has released their Albatros D.1 by Dave F 4) RE: Help needed! was: Roden has released their Albatros D.1 by "Hans Trauner" 5) Re: Stropp by "Hans Trauner" 6) RE: Help needed! was: Roden has released their Albatros D.1 by Volker Haeusler 7) Re: Stropp by "Diego Fernetti" 8) Re: Stropp by Crawford Neil 9) Re: Stropp by Crawford Neil 10) Stropp by "Brian Nicklas" 11) Re: Stropp by "Diego Fernetti" 12) Re: Stropp by "Michael Kendix" 13) Re: Stropp by Ken Schmitt 14) Re: ? by Ken Schmitt 15) Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes by John_Impenna@hyperion.com 16) Re: CO2 as airbrush propellant by "Lee M." 17) Re: Stropp by Crawford Neil 18) Re: Stropp by Volker Haeusler 19) Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes by Ken Schmitt 20) Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes by "Robinson, Michael" 21) Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes by John_Impenna@hyperion.com 22) Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes by Crawford Neil 23) Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes by "Robinson, Michael" 24) Stropp by "Hans Trauner" 25) French Contest on Modeling Madness by "Brent Theobald" 26) Re: French Contest on Modeling Madness by tbittners@sprintmail.com 27) Awesome Nieuports at MM by tbittners@sprintmail.com 28) Albatros model construction site by Andreikor@aol.com 29) Re: Albatros model construction site by tbittners@sprintmail.com 30) Re: Albatros model construction site by "Brian Nicklas" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:28:29 -0800 From: Ken Schmitt To: Subject: Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes Message-ID: Volker- > I therefore just wonder, whether the application of a kind of > clear lacquer on wooden surfaces was a method to conserve those pigments > used to stain the wood before... I agree...and the dates correspond to Germany's fortunes. Take your point as well about other aircraft (but was specific about Albies). The museum B1 that Hans covered got me started on this. It's great photo reference and in looking through the one Albatros booklet I have I noticed definite differences from about mid-1917 on. I figured this is almost as tactless as bringing up "the Cowl" but wanted comment anyway. John, Volker, Diego-you maniac-et al, thanks, fellers. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 16:49:12 +0800 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes Message-ID: Michael, ">One thing that always strikes me is how long the AH aircraft (or at >least >the majority of them) kept the natural linen wing color. Do you mean that they are much lighter and pale as compared to a more yellow colour?" No - I only mean that they did not introduce camouflage for a *substantial* number of their combat aircraft until well into 1918. The Schiemer book on the Alabtros (Oeffag) fighters has quite a lot of quotes from original documents stating the inefficiency of the "natural" schemes in combat, as well as reports on the plans for camouflage, but it was just simply not carried out for a lot of aircraft. On the other hand, innumerable manhours and (I guess) a lot of paint were wasted for those hand painted lozenge schemes on other aircraft - Albatros D III (Oeff) being an extreme example "Does anyone know the precise reference for the CC Marty O'Connor articles?" First article in vol 17 no 1 (spring 1986), final in vol 19 no 4 (winter 1988). Look on the CC (I) webpage (link onthe wwi-models links page) for the complete index. In his articles, he describes and names his references as well - mainly samples (unfortunately including a lot of R. Gerrard samples), interviews with pilots (as in his AH Air Aces book), official reports etc - he really tries to show *how* he came to his results and conclusions. Great stuff - how sad he´s gone (and he was working on companion stuff for the Italian side before his death...) Volker ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:31:38 +0000 From: Dave F To: Subject: RE: Roden has released their Albatros D.1 Message-ID: <1014820298.3c7cedcaafb40@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Volker Haeusler : > "Decals have markings for the pre-production D1 flown by the RFC > (D390/16 > ?), > the one with the big 'Bu' marking. Be interesting to see how they > interpret > that colour scheme. Mine may be in the later PC-10, or I may do a couple > in 'progression'." > > Actually D 391/16 - and I must say I like the British depiction of that > serial better then the German one (which anyway is more or less > invisible of > the dark stained fuslegae). > Thanls Volker, I'm away from home and my memory was playing tricks. > BTW, there are superb detail photos of that aircraft in C&C (GB) vol 5 > no 3 > and a nice short article by PS Leaman in Aeroplane Monthly, May 1980. > Leaman > claims the lower surfaces were painted in "cream". Interesting - the underfuselage would be obvious, but IIRC 391/16 was one of the 10 pre prod DIs that allegedly had CDL under surfaces. Thoughts ? Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 15:37:10 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: RE: Help needed! was: Roden has released their Albatros D.1 Message-ID: <005101c1bf9c$3e4076a0$cbab72d4@FRITZweb> > I always felt that this airplane would be a > light blue, "almost" green, but that's only my own interpretation. > That's exactly my feelings, too. I would opt for something like a greenish RLM65. But I'll think that the wings were camoflaged. The field on which the skull is painted could be black OR red. Black would represent a standard husar's cap / outfit, but red would represent the Prince's former unit. > > What is known however, is the > > fact that this aircraft had a different water tank (not the triangular one > > atop the engine). I am aware of that, but I cannot track down the form of the correct water tank. I need help! I have to make a drawing! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 15:50:12 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Stropp Message-ID: <006b01c1bf9e$0f650060$cbab72d4@FRITZweb> Neil, Diego, Stropp does not have any meaning in correct german. The presumption in the NASM book of beeing a slang word from the Cologne area cannot be confirmed. But I am not an expert with pre-1918-rhinelander-slang. For me it's just a nickname. Like Kobes / Jakob. ( Diego, for your eyes only : Its a male nickname. If he really fell in love with Lola ( " Ich bin die fesche Lola...") he would have written 'Lola' on the fuselage. Would he have written the name of a male person he fell in love with......? Or do you suggest...) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 17:07:20 +0800 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Help needed! was: Roden has released their Albatros D.1 Message-ID: Hans, "That's exactly my feelings, too. I would opt for something like a greenish RLM65. But I'll think that the wings were camoflaged." Me too - look on the scans I´ll send you in some minutes "The field on which the skull is painted could be black OR red. Black would represent a standard husar's cap / outfit, but red would represent the Prince's former unit." No idea - I like the (prussian) black better, hough. Pure taste... " I am aware of that, but I cannot track down the form of the correct water tank. I need help! I have to make a drawing!" Not 100 % sure about this one: definitely the water tank on top of the engine is gone even on photos of the aircraft *before* capture (ie, it was *not* dismantled *after* capture). However, there are *two* anomalities in that aircraft: (1) there is a vertical "object" just between the prop and the engine - I *think* this is the tank, but (2) theres a´lso a strange, non standard hose or pipe leading from between the exhaust pipes of cylinders 4 and 5 to the upper wing - there *may* have been a water tank installed in or below the upper wing as well. Difficult to say - I think the "tower" between the prop and the engine is the tank, but I can not prove it. Anyway, I´ll send you two scans later today (will be early tomorrow already in Malaysia, I guess) Volker ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:01:56 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Stropp Message-ID: <023101c1bf9f$b2d9ad80$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hans! > ( Diego, for your eyes only : Its a male nickname. If he really fell in love > with Lola ( " Ich bin die fesche Lola...") he would have written 'Lola' on > the fuselage. Would he have written the name of a male person he fell in > love with......? Or do you suggest...) It was the great secret of Klaus... and Lola, bien sûr! D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:08:16 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Stropp Message-ID: Have neither of you listened to the text of "Lola" by the Kinks? /Neil C. > -----Original Message----- > From: Diego Fernetti [mailto:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar] > Sent: den 27 februari 2002 16:04 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: Stropp > > > Hans! > > ( Diego, for your eyes only : Its a male nickname. If he > really fell in > love > > with Lola ( " Ich bin die fesche Lola...") he would have > written 'Lola' on > > the fuselage. Would he have written the name of a male > person he fell in > > love with......? Or do you suggest...) > > It was the great secret of Klaus... and Lola, bien sûr! > D. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:14:29 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Stropp Message-ID: To me the NASM explanation sounds very plausible, because I believe that stropp is one of the many German words that was adopted into Swedish around the turn of the century. And it's meaning is just like D explained, an arrogant young gangster, I think I heard that it is to do with riding whips (also sometimes called stropp in swedish) that the flashier youth swished around with. Pure speculation! /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:03:30 -0500 From: "Brian Nicklas" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Stropp Message-ID: >From Dan-San Abbotts letter in WWI Aero 167, Feb 2000. "In regard to the Alb D.Va markings: the Alb D.Va 7161/17 "Stropp" when it was captured on 4 April 1918 by the French Army it seems had lower wings from at least one other Alb D.Va. While the upper wings, fuselage, fin and rudder had the Iron Cross markings, the lower wings were marked with the Balkan Cross markings. To complete the matter even more the tailplane and upper wings were in a dark green and mauve camo. scheme and the lower wings were covered with five color lozenge printed fabric and marked with Balkan Crosses surrounded with a white 150mm border. Alb D. Va 7161/17 when delivered from the Albatros Werke in February 1918 was finished in a dark green and mauve finish as were other in the batch 7150-7199/17. In the restoration, it would have been correct to have painted Stropp in a painted scheme of dark green and mauve, rather than used five color printed fabric. ...." I guess it would have also been correct to paint the upper, and lozenge the lower. Also, when the restoration was done, it was done with painted pattern on cotton, rather than printed pattern on linen, which makes for the color change. The Halberstad trio restoration has the correct fabric. Also the rudder of Stropp - 7161/17 should be CDL, not white. "Stropp's" pilot was Uffz Erich Gurgenz, KIA 4 April 1918, Marcelcave, France. We have had numerous letters from people in Germany saying "Stropp" means a young rascal, or boy who gets into trouble, predominately citing an area of Germany where this was a slang term. I seem to recall this was further explained in an issue of WWI Aero by someone who maintained this area is where Gurgenz was raised, but I cannot find the citation at the moment. -Brian Brian Nicklas NASM Archives - Rm 3148 Smithsonian Institution PO Box 37012 National Air and Space Museum, MRC 322 Washington, DC 20013-7012 USA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:21:53 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Stropp Message-ID: <024101c1bfa2$7ca3c7c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Neil! Nothing escapes you, huh? D. "It's a mixed up muddled up sh**d up world except for Lola " ----- Original Message ----- From: Crawford Neil > Have neither of you listened to the text of "Lola" > by the Kinks? > /Neil C. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 15:24:44 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Stropp Message-ID: >From: "Brian Nicklas" >We have had numerous letters from people in Germany saying "Stropp" >means >a young rascal, or boy who gets into trouble, In english, "stroppy" has long been in use as a slang adjective for someone who is overly aggressive. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:26:49 -0800 From: Ken Schmitt To: Subject: Re: Stropp Message-ID: c-o-l-a > Have neither of you listened to the text of "Lola" > by the Kinks? > /Neil C. now, I'm not the world's most passionate guy... Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:29:30 -0800 From: Ken Schmitt To: Subject: Re: ? Message-ID: Neil- it's the Tops Of The Pop til the end of the day- Kenneth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:33:11 -0500 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes Message-ID: Hi Folks, Several sources I have read, Franks, Kilduff and others I can't recall right now, have said the same regarding dark stained Albies and others early in the war...Photos also bear this out...Several D.III's phtographed in 1916 show(I don't care how you try to "spin" the b&w photos) very dark fuselages as opposed to later photos...It seems that the stains or varnishes were much darker earlier on....Well, a perfect case for Dicta Ira!!! Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:38:05 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: CO2 as airbrush propellant Message-ID: <3C7CFD5D.42BF90F9@x25.net> Never was any questions that a ruptured or "neck" damaged CO2 tank was a bad thing to have around. Best advice is "Don't do that"... I was 9 in 1934 when I saw one go through the bottom sheet metal of a "trolley car". They were like a railroad passenger car but had metal only a few inches above ground level. It derailed that sucker as well. When you move a thing that size it is a terrible force. xtv16@dial.pipex.com wrote: > > Quoting Mark Shannon : > > > > > As far as danger, any compressed gas cylinder is a potential rocket. If > > the neck is damaged, the cylinder will act like a steel balloon with the > > neck untied. > > I can back this up. One of the things we got when we started in the labs was a > video on safety with compressed gases. A CO2 cylinder was set up on a test rack > and had the valve/neck sheared off. It went through three brick walls. > > Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:37:54 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Stropp Message-ID: > > In english, "stroppy" has long been in use as a slang > adjective for someone > who is overly aggressive. > > Michael Of course, I didn't even think of that, and I'm supposed to be English! /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 18:03:02 +0800 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Stropp Message-ID: I admit that it is most probably *not* the reason why Alb D Va 7161/17 carried the name "Stropp", but beside being a family name as well, "Stropp" is also a word you use (in the German language) in sailing: It is the word for a short, circular rope used for handling (and temporarily fixing in position) masts etc. Volker ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:52:44 -0800 From: Ken Schmitt To: Subject: Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes Message-ID: exactly John, I was seeking 'permission' and this sums nicely. = ) thank you! Ken > Well, a perfect case for Dicta > Ira!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:53:08 -0500 From: "Robinson, Michael" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes Message-ID: <7D1F97C0D1ACD21186C40008C7095A410215C0E6@USA0812MS1> Thank you thank you thank you thank you. I had a rolling argument with a contest judge that said my scratchbuilt D-III was "to dark", and it should have been a lighter "wood". Here's my webpage, with a photo of my D-III. Any one care to comment feel free. http://home.earthlink.net/~mr1057/SKYKING.htm Be forewarned... turn your volume down. I have a wav file that automatically plays and it's a tad loud. Mike Robinson Xerox Field Engineering 1387 Fairport Rd. Bldng. 1000 Fairport, NY 14450 (716) 383-2836 Phone (800) 242-0717 Fax michael.robinson@mc.usa.xerox.com -----Original Message----- From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com [mailto:John_Impenna@hyperion.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes Hi Folks, Several sources I have read, Franks, Kilduff and others I can't recall right now, have said the same regarding dark stained Albies and others early in the war...Photos also bear this out...Several D.III's phtographed in 1916 show(I don't care how you try to "spin" the b&w photos) very dark fuselages as opposed to later photos...It seems that the stains or varnishes were much darker earlier on....Well, a perfect case for Dicta Ira!!! Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:56:59 -0500 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes Message-ID: Hi Ken, That's what I did..My Alb D.III that I am finishing up is done in the dark stain....I'm doing the a/c flown by Lothar von Richthofen when he first joined Jasta 11. This bird was "handed down" to him by MvR...Photos are in the Kilduff book as well as the Osprey Albatros Aces book...Sure looks dark brown to me!!!!! Regards, John Ken Schmitt m> cc: Sent by: Subject: [WWI] Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes wwi@wwi-models.o rg 02/27/2002 10:54 AM Please respond to wwi exactly John, I was seeking 'permission' and this sums nicely. = ) thank you! Ken > Well, a perfect case for Dicta > Ira!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:05:11 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes Message-ID: Very nice Albatross, I think the dark wood matches the Bavarian blue very prettily. Judges with opinions should be re-assigned! I'll be printing out those P38 photos at home. /Neil C (fellow Honda rider) > -----Original Message----- > From: Robinson, Michael [mailto:Michael.Robinson@usa.xerox.com] > Sent: den 27 februari 2002 16:55 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes > > > Thank you thank you thank you thank you. I had a rolling > argument with a > contest judge that said my scratchbuilt D-III was "to dark", > and it should > have been a lighter "wood". Here's my webpage, with a photo > of my D-III. Any > one care to comment feel free. > > http://home.earthlink.net/~mr1057/SKYKING.htm > > Be forewarned... turn your volume down. I have a wav file > that automatically > plays and it's a tad loud. > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:16:28 -0500 From: "Robinson, Michael" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes Message-ID: <7D1F97C0D1ACD21186C40008C7095A410215C130@USA0812MS1> Thank you Neil. For my first attempt at a full scratchbuilt model, it came out pretty good I thought. Wouldn't you know though, within a month or two of me finishing it, Eduard came out with theirs. I'd like to think that they saw mine and were inspired, but I think that would be a stretch even for my warped mind...lol Mike Robinson Xerox Field Engineering 1387 Fairport Rd. Bldng. 1000 Fairport, NY 14450 (716) 383-2836 Phone (800) 242-0717 Fax michael.robinson@mc.usa.xerox.com -----Original Message----- From: Crawford Neil [mailto:Neil.Crawford@volvo.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 11:07 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes Very nice Albatross, I think the dark wood matches the Bavarian blue very prettily. Judges with opinions should be re-assigned! I'll be printing out those P38 photos at home. /Neil C (fellow Honda rider) > -----Original Message----- > From: Robinson, Michael [mailto:Michael.Robinson@usa.xerox.com] > Sent: den 27 februari 2002 16:55 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes > > > Thank you thank you thank you thank you. I had a rolling > argument with a > contest judge that said my scratchbuilt D-III was "to dark", > and it should > have been a lighter "wood". Here's my webpage, with a photo > of my D-III. Any > one care to comment feel free. > > http://home.earthlink.net/~mr1057/SKYKING.htm > > Be forewarned... turn your volume down. I have a wav file > that automatically > plays and it's a tad loud. > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:57:19 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Stropp Message-ID: <008401c1bfaf$d14003e0$fe78a8c0@FRITZweb> Ladies and Gentlemen, Brian, you made me curious. I found: Meaning a) is something like a special knot. I can't translate it, as it is sailor's slang, which I even don't understand when reading in german. "Das schwere Slipseil zieht den Stropp so straff, daß er nicht an dem Dalben nach unten rutscht." "Ihr müßt dabei darauf achten, daß das untere Ende (am Stropp) des Luftballons frei bleibt" Meaning b) the rascal theory http://www.uni-koeln.de/ew-fak/Mus_volk/scripten/reimers/dialekt.htm "Secher es e klei Malörche passeet wal met dem leeve Stropp Sei strich höösch im üvvert Hörche , nimmp en ehr Häng dä kleine Kopp" Also completely unstranslatable. I do not understand a single word. This text is from Cologne university and comes from an article on Cologne dialect. They translate Stropp with "Schlingel" which is perfect for 'rascal', or 'stroppy' . "STROPP: Deutsche Dogge, Rüde, 4 Jahre alt, gestromt" This is from a Cologne television site which looks for new owners for lonely dogs. And Stropp is here a dog's name. Confirms meaning b) "Kölsche Stropp" is from a Cologne Carnival site. Confirms meaning b) And Stropp seems to be a not unusual name at all. F.e., the commander of Res.Inf.Regt. 233, was a Oberstleutnant Stropp. ( 4. Armee, Autumn 1914) http://www.stahlgewitter.com/kriegsgliederung_4armee.htm Conclusion: Stropp = Rascal seems to be the most likely interpretation ( if the guy who promted to paint this on the Alb. has any connection to the Cologne area) Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Nicklas" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 4:18 PM Subject: [WWI] Stropp > > "Stropp's" pilot was Uffz Erich Gurgenz, KIA 4 April 1918, Marcelcave, > France. > We have had numerous letters from people in Germany saying "Stropp" means a > young rascal, or boy who gets into trouble, predominately citing an area of > Germany where this was a slang term. I seem to recall this was further > explained in an issue of WWI Aero by someone who maintained this area is > where Gurgenz was raised, but I cannot find the citation at the moment. > -Brian > Brian Nicklas > NASM Archives - Rm 3148 > Smithsonian Institution > PO Box 37012 > National Air and Space Museum, MRC 322 > Washington, DC 20013-7012 USA > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:15:20 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: French Contest on Modeling Madness Message-ID: Howdy gang! I have decided to have Roll Models put together a prize package for this contest. I would like as many of you to enter as posible. To entice you to enter I want to know what prizes ya'll want to see. Certain French kits, books, what? I would like the suggestions to be OT. I will attempt to build a SPAD VII. I'll hit ya'll up later for refs. Have fun! Brent _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:31:20 -0500 (EST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: French Contest on Modeling Madness Message-ID: <20020227173120.38B1A468D1@eclipse.qis.net> On Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:17:34 -0500 (EST), Brent Theobald wrote: >I have decided to have Roll Models put together a prize package for this >contest. I would like as many of you to enter as posible. To entice you to >enter I want to know what prizes ya'll want to see. Certain French kits, >books, what? I would like the suggestions to be OT. Excellent! Thanks, Brent. You're a good guy, regardless of what the MN guys tell me. ;-) I would definitely say keep it French. Try to get a dozen or so Choroszy Nieuports. Maybe the EE ones will be out by then. Throw in a Flashback Strutter or twelve. Maybe get a Pegasus and/or Omega SPAD 7. Remember, you asked! :-) >I will attempt to build a SPAD VII. I'll hit ya'll up later for refs. It'll cost ya! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:32:56 -0500 (EST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Awesome Nieuports at MM Message-ID: <20020227173256.ADC24468CB@eclipse.qis.net> Candice contributes a couple of extremely nice Nieuport 17s at Modeling Madness: http://m2reviews.cnsi.net/reviews/ww1/uhlirn17.htm Awesome job, Candice!! Keep up the great work. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:30:47 EST From: Andreikor@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Albatros model construction site Message-ID: <25.23a961bd.29ae7fd7@aol.com> Hey all, Albstros aficianados should enjoy this: http://restorationschool.tripod.com/albatrosonlinebuild/ Cheers, Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:33:58 -0500 (EST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Albatros model construction site Message-ID: <20020227183358.C450F468CB@eclipse.qis.net> On Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:32:10 -0500 (EST), Andreikor@aol.com wrote: >Albstros aficianados should enjoy this: >http://restorationschool.tripod.com/albatrosonlinebuild/ There's an echo in here...in here... Matt Bittner nr: Roden Fokker Dr.I nu: Finish the SPAD SA.2 nuiacow (next up in a couple of weeks): a special from Omega, thank you very much ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:51:44 -0500 From: "Brian Nicklas" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Albatros model construction site Message-ID: Yes, he has a link to the Tom's Model Works site, but they don't show a 1/16 PE machine gun set... Do you think this was a custom job? I like the LMG 08 enough to get that alone, even tho I don't have the Model Expo D.Va kit (yet?). Brian ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4220 **********************