WWI Digest 4219 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Bubble; was " Brick " Camouflage by Crawford Neil 2) Roden has released their Albatros D.1 by "Ross Moorhouse" 3) Is there a release date for the NEW Eduard Fokker E.III ??? by "Ross Moorhouse" 4) Re: Is there a release date for the NEW Eduard Fokker E.III ??? by "Ross Moorhouse" 5) Re: Is there a release date for the NEW Eduard Fokker E.III ??? by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 6) Re: Is there a release date for the NEW Eduard Fokker E.III ??? by "Ross Moorhouse" 7) Re: CO2 as airbrush propellant by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 8) RE: Roden has released their Albatros D.1 by "Diego Fernetti" 9) Re: Is there a release date for the NEW Eduard Fokker E.III ??? by "Matt Bittner" 10) Re: Is there a release date for the NEW Eduard Fokker E.III ??? by "Ross Moorhouse" 11) Re: Is there a release date for the NEW Eduard Fokker E.III ??? by "Diego Fernetti" 12) Re: Is there a release date for the NEW Eduard Fokker E.III ??? by "Diego Fernetti" 13) Re: Is there a release date for the NEW Eduard Fokker E by "Pedro N. Soares" 14) Re: Is there a release date for the NEW Eduard Fokker E by "Matt Bittner" 15) Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 16) Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes by Crawford Neil 17) RE: Roden has released their Albatros D.1 by Volker Haeusler 18) Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes by "Diego Fernetti" 19) Re: French machine contest by Dave F 20) Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes by Volker Haeusler 21) Re: French machine contest by Volker Haeusler 22) RE: Roden has released their Albatros D.1 by "Diego Fernetti" 23) RE: Roden has released their Albatros D.1 by Volker Haeusler 24) Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes by Crawford Neil 25) RE: Roden has released their Albatros D.1 by Dave F 26) RE: Roden has released their Albatros D.1 by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 27) Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes by Dave F 28) Stropp by Crawford Neil 29) RE: Roden has released their Albatros D.1 by Volker Haeusler 30) RE: Stropp by "Diego Fernetti" 31) Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes by "Michael Kendix" 32) Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes by Volker Haeusler 33) Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes by "Michael Kendix" 34) Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes by Ken Schmitt ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:35:07 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Bubble; was " Brick " Camouflage Message-ID: Well I just sent a mail to RLR, asking him , he must know. I mentioned no names! /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:12:28 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Roden has released their Albatros D.1 Message-ID: <001c01c1bf6e$e109ace0$76492dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> http://www.rodenplant.com/HTML/001.htm "Famous Fokker Eindecker was the German's main fighter plane on the early 1916, but appearance of allied DH2 and Nieuport 11 Bebe finished Germany's dominance in the sky. Excellent performances of allied biplanes demanded the equal answer from German's airplanes. New planes, named D-type (D for Doppeldecker, or biplane) soon began arrived to the army in big quantities: this was, mainly, aircrafts, manufactured by Halberstadt and Fokker as well as with Roland and Albatros latest designs. One of the best aircraft, built by Albatros Gesellschaft fur Flugzeugunternehmungen GmbH Company, received the official name Albatros D.I. For its time (first aircrafts were delivered to the frontline on September, 1916) Albatros D.I was the revolutionary design: six-cylinder in-line engine was enclosed in a semi-monocoque plywood fuselage of fine streamline form; six spruce longerons positioned by plywood formers and metal panel above the nose gave construction more strong; undercarriage consisted from strong steel tubes with shock absorber installation in the axle; wings of constant chord had ailerons, mounted on top wings only. New aircraft received good references from combat pilots, but in same time many failures were discovered: upper wing arranged too high and upward vision had been unsatisfactory; central struts, attached to the center of the top wing, prevented to the normal reinforcing of armament; Windhoff side radiators was the "constant troubles". In total, 50 aircrafts of this type were delivered to the front; at the same time Albatros company improved construction of D.I; new aircraft, named Abatros D.II soon replaced it's predecessor in combat units." Take from the above link. Cheers Ross ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:20:05 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Is there a release date for the NEW Eduard Fokker E.III ??? Message-ID: <002901c1bf6f$f487cc60$76492dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> Does anyone know when for the Eduard New 1/72nd scale Fokker E.III will be released ?? Cheers Ross ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:26:29 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Is there a release date for the NEW Eduard Fokker E.III ??? Message-ID: <002f01c1bf70$d674b660$76492dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> Oh boy the gramar in that last message from me was way off the planet.. Ross... is english really my first language?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:19 PM Subject: [WWI] Is there a release date for the NEW Eduard Fokker E.III ??? > Does anyone know when for the Eduard New 1/72nd scale Fokker E.III will be > released ?? > > Cheers > > Ross > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:29:23 +0800 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Is there a release date for the NEW Eduard Fokker E.III ??? Message-ID: <004301c1bf71$4210ee20$236e160a@CSP00> Ross, a friend of mine spoke with Eduard at the Nuremberg Toy Fair. According to them, both the E III and the E IV will be launched in April. Volker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 5:19 PM Subject: [WWI] Is there a release date for the NEW Eduard Fokker E.III ??? > Does anyone know when for the Eduard New 1/72nd scale Fokker E.III will be > released ?? > > Cheers > > Ross > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:42:19 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Is there a release date for the NEW Eduard Fokker E.III ??? Message-ID: <003701c1bf73$0c6e8b40$76492dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> Hi Volker, Thanks for that info mate. So we should see them here by july, DownUnder that is. ;-) Cheers mate Ross ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:53:43 +0000 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: CO2 as airbrush propellant Message-ID: <1014803623.3c7caca74c5fe@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Mark Shannon : > > As far as danger, any compressed gas cylinder is a potential rocket. If > the neck is damaged, the cylinder will act like a steel balloon with the > neck untied. I can back this up. One of the things we got when we started in the labs was a video on safety with compressed gases. A CO2 cylinder was set up on a test rack and had the valve/neck sheared off. It went through three brick walls. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:09:12 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Roden has released their Albatros D.1 Message-ID: <009001c1bf76$ce566860$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Ross announced: > http://www.rodenplant.com/HTML/001.htm Great! However for the parts layout I'm inclined to believe that it'll be a kit not so easy to build. It has the same upper cowl arrangement than their Pfalz and that caused some fit troubles. It also has the cowl "ring" (there between fuselage halves, under the spinner) and that's the way I did my own Pegasus D.II and oh-what-a-dog to fit properly. Of course, this is as close to accurate as possible being these parts separate in the real airplane (but ahead of the cockpit hole). It won't be built just shaking the box.... Note in the upper left sprues that there must be some parts clipped from it, what they would be? But where are the Spandaus? and the threstle cabane struts? However, there is on the right sprue some N cabanes for the D.II and D.III, V interplane struts and a OAW rudder for a D.III on the right sprue! The wing sprue has also three different upper centre sections (no radiator, german and austrian radiators?) The spare parts box will be very happy! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 05:13:28 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Is there a release date for the NEW Eduard Fokker E.III ??? Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Feb 2002 04:32:13 -0500 (EST), Volker H„usler wrote: > a friend of mine spoke with Eduard at the Nuremberg Toy Fair. According to > them, both the E III and the E IV will be launched in April. Anybody want an ICM *and* MAC E.IV - cheap? Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 22:17:55 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Is there a release date for the NEW Eduard Fokker E.III ??? Message-ID: <004d01c1bf80$67b4b620$76492dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> Can they be converted into E.IIIs with any ease?? Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Bittner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:11 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Is there a release date for the NEW Eduard Fokker E.III ??? > On Wed, 27 Feb 2002 04:32:13 -0500 (EST), Volker H"usler wrote: > > > a friend of mine spoke with Eduard at the Nuremberg Toy Fair. According to > > them, both the E III and the E IV will be launched in April. > > Anybody want an ICM *and* MAC E.IV - cheap? > > > Matt Bittner > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:17:44 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Is there a release date for the NEW Eduard Fokker E.III ??? Message-ID: <012301c1bf80$615712a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> No luck this time, mate! ;-) D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Bittner To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:11 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: Is there a release date for the NEW Eduard Fokker E.III ??? > On Wed, 27 Feb 2002 04:32:13 -0500 (EST), Volker H"usler wrote: > > > a friend of mine spoke with Eduard at the Nuremberg Toy Fair. According to > > them, both the E III and the E IV will be launched in April. > > Anybody want an ICM *and* MAC E.IV - cheap? > > > Matt Bittner > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:22:23 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Is there a release date for the NEW Eduard Fokker E.III ??? Message-ID: <012901c1bf81$078493a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Ross! They will relaese an E.III as well! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ross Moorhouse > Can they be converted into E.IIIs with any ease?? > > Ross ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:20:11 -0000 From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Is there a release date for the NEW Eduard Fokker E Message-ID: <12AEB3D996DDD311B98A00508B6D75B30154B02D@TUFAO> Ah, come on Matt, The iCM kit isn't that bad. Pedro > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 05:34:04 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Is there a release date for the NEW Eduard Fokker E Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Feb 2002 06:26:49 -0500 (EST), Pedro N. Soares wrote: > Ah, come on Matt, The iCM kit isn't that bad. True, but bound to be not as good as the Eduard. ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 06:31:38 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes Message-ID: <006b01c1bf82$533090f0$0237183f@cyrixp166> This is one of those unanswerables associated with our area of the hobby. The yellow / red brown proposition has been around for a long time. However, there is a school of thought that contends that all of the Albatros D-type fuselages were a natural unstained plywood. The wood was varnished with a material that had a very warm yellow tint in it which was imparted that color to the wood. Tonal variations are explained by differences in how the photos were treated, ie the same plane is red brown in some views and light in others. As for the B-types, I don't know. It is not unheard of that varnish could darken over time. YMMV. Cyg. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Schmitt To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 8:54 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes > Good Folks-- > > Can I start a dumb thread??? > > Albatros. wood panels. > B, C and D (early) marques are reddish-brown (darker than later marques) > DIII through DVa marques are 'blond'... > > Would someone please elaborate or backstory this? > Hans posted his museum B on site and it is def. reddish brown. (and useful > as hell...) So are early C marques (through V) and a good deal of the DI > through II's. > > Comments? Anybody? > > please....? > > > Thanks much, folks. > > with Ed's DII's and some C's and so forth, one wonders... > > Ken > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:38:09 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes Message-ID: > As for the B-types, I don't know. It is not unheard of that > varnish could > darken over time. > > YMMV. > Cyg. And B-types were probably in service longer than D-types. FWIW /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:21:52 +0800 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Roden has released their Albatros D.1 Message-ID: Diego, "Great! However for the parts layout I'm inclined to believe that it'll be a kit not so easy to build. It has the same upper cowl arrangement than their Pfalz and that caused some fit troubles. It also has the cowl "ring" (there between fuselage halves, under the spinner) and that's the way I did my own Pegasus D.II and oh-what-a-dog to fit properly. Of course, this is as close to accurate as possible being these parts separate in the real airplane (but ahead of the cockpit hole). It won't be built just shaking the box.... Note in the upper left sprues that there must be some parts clipped from it, what they would be? But where are the Spandaus? and the threstle cabane struts? However, there is on the right sprue some N cabanes for the D.II and D.III, V interplane struts and a OAW rudder for a D.III on the right sprue! The wing sprue has also three different upper centre sections (no radiator, german and austrian radiators?) The spare parts box will be very happy!" Yep, the centre sections are - one for the D I and early D II (with Windhoff side radiators) - one for the late D II (with wing radiator) - one for the AH 53 series D IIs (AH wing radiator) also the cockpit and engine cover section for both the German and AH version (note different cutouts for the engines), wheels and all the stuff you already mentioned... However: Definitely one sprue missing: Beside the Spanduas: - no engine - no cockpit detail/seat/... - no Windhoff radiators to name the most obvious missing parts. Hope that the missing sprue also contains a D III and an Austro Daimler engine - that would be the real addition to the spares box. As already discussed a week or so ago, the cover shows the aircraft of Prince friedrich-KArl of Prussia. Roden interpreted the colors as green overall - something that is not really known. What is known however, is the fact that this aircraft had a different water tank (not the triangular one atop the engine). Still an extremely promising kit with a nice cover painting. The decals look good, too.... Volker ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:10:50 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes Message-ID: <015901c1bf87$cc167ac0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Ken! > Albatros. wood panels. > B, C and D (early) marques are reddish-brown (darker than later marques) > DIII through DVa marques are 'blond'... > Would someone please elaborate or backstory this? It's a rather interesting story... Winter 1905, the elegant resort of Baden Lebenwurst and their thermal springs were crowded with the fashionable people of many german kingdoms. It was a common view to see Princes, Grand Dukes and Queens frolicking around taking baths or just strolling down the well-groomed rose gardens, enjoying the beningn weather and the imponent views of the southwestern Alps. Klaus Von Blugmannstruff, at that time a wealthy but obscure manager of a powerful industry trust, fell in love with Margarethe Von Höttlippsch, a beauty of dark red hair, pale skin and a mere 18 years of age. But there was a problem! Klaus was still a bachelor, but 40 years older than her and the odds that Margarethe would take into her consideration the plump financist were scarce! Of course, Klaus had the power to ruin Margarethe's father small cottage industry of flying machines (at that time just license built Lilienthal gliders), and then force Hans Von Hottlippsch to engage his young daughter with him, but Klaus wasn't an evil capitalist. For the first time in his life, love flourished in his steely heart so pure and generous that he couldn't do anything to make Margarethe suffer! He followed her wherever she went and was always hearing her conversation, but always behaved with the same decorum and honesty that he learned when he was a young leutnant during the French war of 1870. But the summer ended and Margarethe departed with her family, and Klaus never dared to confess his love to her. He awaited patiently a whole year to meet her again in the summer holidays, but when time came, he knew by her parents that she had married a colonial bureaucrat and moved to Africa. However, a few weeks later she fell victim to the sleep fever and never awoke again. With a broken heart, Klaus returned to his bussiness and tried to sink himself in numbers and stock market reports, but he couldn't. He took an interest in aviation, and when Albatros-Werke was formed he bought a large percentage otf titles for the company. Seeing the frail airplanes he tought to make a belated memorial to her Margarethe but he needed to hide his passion, so he stressed to the designers to paint the wooden airframes in a colour of varnish just like Margarethe's hair was (of course he said no one about this reason) Everytime he saw one of those airplanes, Klaus' heart rose with it into the skies, recalling the belove name of Margarethe. Now you want to know why after 1916 Albatros fuselages were "blond"? Well, in 1916 he met Lola Stropp, a famous dancer in a Berlin cabaret, and became madly obsessed with her. Lola's hair? Golden, of course! D. Sorry for the lenghty post... I got carried away! ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:11:06 +0000 From: Dave F To: Subject: Re: French machine contest Message-ID: <1014811866.3c7cccda7f39d@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Volker Haeusler : > Dave just thought about an > > "*RFC* BreXIX, - is my modelling too focussed ?)" > > which would be an interseting what-if subject for an aircraft first > flown in > March 1922... > Pzthwwwwwwt !! Yeah, I meant RAE (No mistake there !!!!) > But yes, I can see a pattern (or even focus) emerging from the lists. > Don´t > think Matt will like it - you should not mention the scale, then. > That's about all he'll like !! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:33:15 +0800 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes Message-ID: While I also have no definitve answer on the subject of: > Albatros. wood panels. > B, C and D (early) marques are reddish-brown (darker than later marques) > DIII through DVa marques are 'blond'... > > Would someone please elaborate or backstory this? > Hans posted his museum B on site and it is def. reddish brown. (and useful > as hell...) So are early C marques (through V) and a good deal of the DI > through II's. > > Comments? Anybody? > it still seems to me that the majority of wood covered fuselages up to 1916 (not only for Albatros) were relatively dark (also most of the early D´s), whereas most of the late wood covered fuselages were light in color (starting somwhere both in the C V and C III - the /17 aircraft build in licence by a number of manufacturers for training purposes - series for Albatros aircraft, but also true for most LVG C VI, to name just one non-ALbatros late war example) So: While *pure speculation*, I think that the severe lack of all kinds of materials in wartime Germany might be a major reason. If you read wartime German books and accounts, you will always find this lack of material entioned; I therefore just wonder, whether the application of a kind of clear lacquer on wooden surfaces was a method to conserve those pigments used to stain the wood before... Volker ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:37:39 +0800 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: French machine contest Message-ID: Dave just made clear: "> "*RFC* BreXIX, - is my modelling too focussed ?)" > .. > Pzthwwwwwwt !! Yeah, I meant RAE (No mistake there !!!!)" Wait, that´s the former RAF that became the RAE when the RFC became the RAF - or do I now mix up something? Well, maybe *real* French subjects have certain advantages after all... Volker ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:22:22 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Roden has released their Albatros D.1 Message-ID: <017401c1bf89$686419e0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Volker! > As already discussed a week or so ago, the cover shows the aircraft of > Prince friedrich-KArl of Prussia. Roden interpreted the colors as green > overall - something that is not really known. I've made the D.I "sans wings" and someday I'll buy one of those Reviresco trucks to make a small vignette. I always felt that this airplane would be a light blue, "almost" green, but that's only my own interpretation. > What is known however, is the > fact that this aircraft had a different water tank (not the triangular one > atop the engine). Ooops! I have to change that, then! D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:45:41 +0800 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Roden has released their Albatros D.1 Message-ID: I just scrolled down to the lower end of the Roden D I page (*below* the performance data - did not even notice that there´s a further photo down there). There´s actually a photo of the D I in the PFK colors. Now these guys choose one *wierd* kind of green for that aircraft. Volker ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:27:27 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes Message-ID: Thank you Diego and Volker for your explanations, Volkers because it made sense, and Diegos because it didn't! /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:32:45 +0000 From: Dave F To: Subject: RE: Roden has released their Albatros D.1 Message-ID: <1014813165.3c7cd1ed3407b@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Volker Haeusler : > As already discussed a week or so ago, the cover shows the aircraft of > Prince friedrich-KArl of Prussia. Roden interpreted the colors as green > overall - something that is not really known. What is known however, is > the > fact that this aircraft had a different water tank (not the triangular > one > atop the engine). Still an extremely promising kit with a nice cover > painting. The decals look good, too.... > Decals have markings for the pre-production D1 flown by the RFC (D390/16 ?), the one with the big 'Bu' marking. Be interesting to see how they interpret that colour scheme. Mine may be in the later PC-10, or I may do a couple in 'progression'. Also noted what appears to be the pipes between engine & wing mounted radiator. dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:33:54 +0000 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: RE: Roden has released their Albatros D.1 Message-ID: <1014813234.3c7cd23296332@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Volker Haeusler : > I just scrolled down to the lower end of the Roden D I page (*below* the > performance data - did not even notice that there´s a further photo down > there). There´s actually a photo of the D I in the PFK colors. Now these > guys choose one *wierd* kind of green for that aircraft. > > Volker > Is that a picture or a rendering ? Dave F ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:34:58 +0000 From: Dave F To: Subject: Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes Message-ID: <1014813298.3c7cd272b1b4a@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Diego Fernetti : > D. > Sorry for the lenghty post... I got carried away! ;-) > > By the men in white coats ? dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:40:46 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Stropp Message-ID: D's post about Lola Stropp got me wondering about the meaning of Stropp, in swedish it means a rather arrogant young man. Is it the same in German,and is that why the DV was called that, or maybe the Swedish word comes from somebody meeting the pilot of that plane? /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15:01:53 +0800 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Roden has released their Albatros D.1 Message-ID: "Decals have markings for the pre-production D1 flown by the RFC (D390/16 ?), the one with the big 'Bu' marking. Be interesting to see how they interpret that colour scheme. Mine may be in the later PC-10, or I may do a couple in 'progression'." Actually D 391/16 - and I must say I like the British depiction of that serial better then the German one (which anyway is more or less invisible of the dark stained fuslegae). BTW, there are superb detail photos of that aircraft in C&C (GB) vol 5 no 3 and a nice short article by PS Leaman in Aeroplane Monthly, May 1980. Leaman claims the lower surfaces were painted in "cream". Too, Looking on photos I wonder whether the airscrew was still an original German model? Volker ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:51:33 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Stropp Message-ID: <01b801c1bf8d$7be3b8a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Neil! I'm glad that the D.V reference came thru all the nonsense I wrote :-) According to the NASM book seems like Stropp was a slang word with the same meaning you mention, or IIRC "troublemaker" in the sense that were in use during that time. I also seem to remember that Brian Nicklas mentioned something about this, I can't recall if the mistery was solved. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Crawford Neil To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:42 AM Subject: [WWI] Stropp > > D's post about Lola Stropp got me wondering about the > meaning of Stropp, in swedish it means a rather arrogant > young man. Is it the same in German,and is that why the > DV was called that, or maybe the Swedish word comes from > somebody meeting the pilot of that plane? > /Neil C. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:32:56 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes Message-ID: >From: Volker Haeusler >it still seems to me that the majority of wood covered fuselages up to > >1916 (not only for Albatros) were relatively dark (also most of the > >early D´s), whereas most of the late wood covered fuselages were light > >in color... So, Volker, what do think was the case for the Austro-Hungarian aeroplanes such as the Hansa Brandenburg D.I, C.I, B.I and so on? The museum's that own one of these have them fairly dark. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 16:22:35 +0800 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes Message-ID: Michael, "So, Volker, what do think was the case for the Austro-Hungarian aeroplanes such as the Hansa Brandenburg D.I, C.I, B.I and so on? The museum's that own one of these have them fairly dark." Absolutely - the wooden parts of a lot of AH aircraft look quite dark. Fortunately for us, Marty O´Connotr did a monumental research on AH aircraft and published it in CC (I). I can´t remember anything at this moment (and therefore have no opinion on the issue as well), but I guess there will be some remarks on the treatment of wooden areas in this (12 part, IIRC) article. One thing that always strikes me is how long the AH aircraft (or at least the majority of them) kept the natural linen wing color. Volker ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:12:14 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes Message-ID: >From: Volker Haeusler >Absolutely - the wooden parts of a lot of AH aircraft look quite dark. ... >One thing that always strikes me is how long the AH aircraft (or at >least >the majority of them) kept the natural linen wing color. Do you mean that they are much lighter and pale as compared to a more yellow colour? Does anyone know the precise reference for the CC Marty O'Connor articles? Michael _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:21:01 -0800 From: Ken Schmitt To: Subject: Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes Message-ID: Yo, D- > fell in love with Margarethe Von Höttlippsch, a > beauty of dark red hair, pale skin and a mere 18 years of age. you clazy all time talk like dis. and Neil--am w'ya 100%. Diego, you tipped your hand early but I couldn't tear myself away from this bodice ripper of yours until, er, resolution. so who got the family dog? Ken, Lost In America ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4219 **********************