WWI Digest 4218 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) 3AFC RE-8 by Shane Weier 2) Willy Coppens' Nie.16 by "robert owens" 3) RE: The St. Harry wing gamble by Shane Weier 4) Re:" Brick " Camouflage by Shane Weier 5) RE: Bubble; was " Brick " Camouflage by Shane Weier 6) Re: New addition by Shane Weier 7) Re: R: Decal ribbing question for Alberto, and some oth by Shane Weier 8) Re: Model Expo Albatros build by Shane Weier 9) RE: Bubble; was " Brick " Camouflage by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 10) Re: Model Expo Albatros build by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 11) Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes by Ken Schmitt 12) RE: CO2 set-up - a warning by "Lee M." 13) Re: CO2 as airbrush propellant by "Lee M." 14) RE: CO2 set-up - a warning by "Lee M." 15) Re: Munson Hansa Brandenburgs was: eBay ot books by "mdf@mars.ark.com" 16) Re: Model Expo Albatros build by "Ross Moorhouse" 17) Re: Model Expo Albatros build by "Ross Moorhouse" 18) Re: Model Expo Albatros build by Shane Weier 19) Re: Willy Coppens' Nie.16 by "mdf@mars.ark.com" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:53:35 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwim'" Subject: 3AFC RE-8 Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDC74@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Hello all, I'm passing on a request from a non-listee who is researching an incident from WW1. It concerns an Australian RE-8 from 3Sqn AFC. I guess Cam, and maybe Bob will be the most likely to be able to help him - I haven't had the opportunity to dredge through my references yet so any info from anyone will be a start. >On April 24th 1918 Herbert and Sewell (observer) got themselves in a spot ?of bother which involved being lost in fog at ground level for about half >an hour. In the process they hit a tree and Sewell climbed out onto the top >wing to balance the aircraft whilst they climbed to 1 800 feet as a branch >had lodged in the right aileron. I am writing an article about this event >and need information so that I can draw a profile of this RE8. I don't know >which one it was. I can't even find a photo of either of them. >I am hoping that somewhere there is a Squadron photo of the air crews, and >or of the machines. I'm pretty sure I can find several photos of generic 3AFC RE-8's - but I'm guessing he'd be even happier with one showing Herbert and Sewell with one. Any takers? Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 17:59:08 -0600 From: "robert owens" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Willy Coppens' Nie.16 Message-ID: Hey Gang, picked up Eduard Nie.11 today (damnme, but it's a pretty little machine!)and want to convert it to Coppens' 16 (though "in Action" captions photo of acft as a Nieuport 11). Is that a Belgian roundel (cockarde?) I see on the top surface of the left wing? Wing markings in all 6 positions? alu dope basic finish? what shade was the green topcolor? Were the 110 hp Le Rhone and headrest the only major differences between the Nie.11 and the 16? Nose to rear cabane struts aluminum or wood? TIA, Rob (Temps in Central Texas in the 20's(F) tonight. We let Canadians win at hockey, and this is the thanks we get?);-) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:43:31 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: The St. Harry wing gamble Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDC77@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Neil says: > Just start scoring at the ribbing ends. Don't press extra > hard when you start scoring. .....or start scoring right from the end, then mask the part you want ribbed and sand out the ribs from the part you *don't* I've done this a couple of times because starting the ribs part way across the card means that the scored part is stressed differently than the unscored part - the scoring tends to widen the card - so that when you curve the turtledeck part it'll tend to bow up at the point where the ribbing starts. Not a big deal anyway in this case, but can be a pita in some situations Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:56:23 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re:" Brick " Camouflage Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDC78@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Peter says: > << the bubble fabric covering > on IIRC Zepellin 2 seaters. >> > > FWIW and for anyone who hasn't twigged it yet, that was a > spoof (bubble) in > an April issue of Windsock. The undoctored version of the pic > they used is in the back of the big FMP Austrian book. LOL ! I was wondering how long it'd take for someone to say this. When the original article was published I all but *yelled out loud* that it was a fake and so far as I knew by the repsonses nobody had "got it" Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:00:35 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Bubble; was " Brick " Camouflage Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDC79@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Graham says: > If this was an April fools joke Peter Grosz sure kept a > straight face for > the article. He went into considerable depth on where he got > the photos, > etc. The article is a two theme piece from what I recall. He was also > writing about the new found archives at the Zepplin factory. > I would like to > believe that this was an authentic article as the bubble > pattern would make > a very interesting subject to model. In the article Peter > Grosz states a few > questions regarding the discovery, like what colours, etc. Now (as an exercise) compare and contrast with Peter Grosz' attitude to colours in *every* windsock he wrote. For the uninitiated, they all contain disclaimers that Peter has no interest in such matters and RLR is entirely responisble. FWIW Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:16:35 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: New addition Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDC7B@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Al says: > Heh, took you 28 hours to find it! You're slipping man! > > I figured a French Nieuport deserved to be announced by you :-) Be brave man! Admit that you didn't think anyone else would be interested in a French Nieuport! Shane (nice Nieuport BTW :-) ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:23:27 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: R: Decal ribbing question for Alberto, and some oth Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDC7C@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> John says: > I use "The Chopper" to slice individual rib tapes from a > decal sheet...Once > the correct width is determined, chop away...I also soak them > 2 or 3 at > most, at a time...This tool is one of the handiest things I > have ever used > and can be found in most hobby shops or tool catalogs...Micro Mark has > them, but also charges the most for them! It uses plain > single edge razor blades...Hope this helps... *Gotta* get one some day. Maybe swap some of these useless model kits for it. FWIW they're an especially good tool for the scratchbuilder because they make repeated cuts to identical sizes a snap. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:26:45 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Model Expo Albatros build Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDC7D@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Ross says: > Thanks for posting about the Alb Cook-Up Matt in that thread > at the Drome. I > didnt even think to mention the Alb Cook Up.. D!OH.. Folks > are dumb from > where I come from, well they are up north.. ;-) That's true. Or we wouldn't be wasting our valuable time lunching with cockroaches next week. Maybe I'll call Lorna and cancel. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:37:02 +0800 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Bubble; was " Brick " Camouflage Message-ID: <002201c1bf2f$42b1c800$236e160a@CSP00> Shane, > > a very interesting subject to model. In the article Peter > > Grosz states a few > > questions regarding the discovery, like what colours, etc. > > Now (as an exercise) compare and contrast with Peter Grosz' attitude to > colours in *every* windsock he wrote. > > For the uninitiated, they all contain disclaimers that Peter has no interest > in such matters and RLR is entirely responisble. > > FWIW > > Shane > As already stated before and FWIW, an extended article on the same theme appeared in the German "Jet&Prop" Magazine one year later (and yes, it was exactly one year later, so also March/April). Additional text and at least one more photo (even clearer than the 3 photos in the Windsock). Having looked on these photos again yesterday evening, I'm convinced they are *no fakes*. Other observations: - No, PG does *not always* include this disclaimer - only in Datafiles or some WS articles that *also* contain a color section by somebody else - Neither in WS nor in J&P was there any comment or announcement that this article was a fake, and both journals had follow on letters on this issue. If anybody is interested, I have a scan of another Zeppelin C II photo with bubble camouflage. Now I have myself already done a lot of picture editing in Photoshop and Illustrator, but to achieve such a level of detail and merging original and modified pixels in such a way would be way beyond the capabilities of a "normal" user. Volker ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:34:48 +1100 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Model Expo Albatros build Message-ID: <3C7C37B8.2E4ED61C@tac.com.au> Ross Moorhouse wrote: > > Thanks for posting about the Alb Cook-Up Matt in that thread at the Drome. I > didnt even think to mention the Alb Cook Up.. D!OH.. Folks are dumb from > where I come from, well they are up north.. ;-) Better be careful about that "north" moniker mate - afterall we're north of you too remember ;-) StY PS: Thanks Matt for posting the Cookup at the Aerodrome as well ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:53:23 -0800 From: Ken Schmitt To: Subject: Re: Alberts of shapes und sizes Message-ID: Good Folks-- Can I start a dumb thread??? Albatros. wood panels. B, C and D (early) marques are reddish-brown (darker than later marques) DIII through DVa marques are 'blond'... Would someone please elaborate or backstory this? Hans posted his museum B on site and it is def. reddish brown. (and useful as hell...) So are early C marques (through V) and a good deal of the DI through II's. Comments? Anybody? please....? Thanks much, folks. with Ed's DII's and some C's and so forth, one wonders... Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:28:48 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: CO2 set-up - a warning Message-ID: <3C7C4460.CCC1C854@x25.net> Love them new Edwards. There seems to be a shift, slow but sure, toward some of the more exotic of the early birds. It has always been a mind problem for me that no manufacturer can see his /her way clear to start a series with Plane # 1 and got specifically from model type to model type in a neat, manner so as you grow in the modeling world your planes grow in a well organized manner as well. I guess it makes to much sense. By the way you say what I mean far better than I do. My field was Meteorology and I know a number of Gas Physics norms. It is some of the details that grab me when it comes to putting it in a bottle instead of running around the world. I know exactly what it is doing but I never had to do the physics calculations in my field.. But then I suppose you never had to calculate the Coriolis Parameters for considering World Circulation and the Tri-cellular theories of movement. I must admit I could not do it now if I had to. 50 years ago I did it, 32 years retired changed my mind to the point where I don't want to do it but I simply can't. I am like a lot of the unrestored WW I planes. I look ready but thats all. Another OT. the group I deal with on taking photos has just gotten possesion of about six original Brisfit fuselages from WW I. They were left on a guys farm. ( I believe in Scotland) He later used them as trestles to hold up his barn roof. Now the barn is gone and the fuselages have become a property in their own right. We have four of them at the shops at this very moment. Do not know if any are rebuildable but from the "head" it may be happening. With the Hardware we can also built a new fuselage and make a "flying Replica" of some value. At the moment there is a DR-1, A D-VII, A JN-4C, an off in another locale an SE-5. We have a 300 HP, Curtiss made Hisso in the shop right now that should fit the SE-5 to a T. And so it goes. Did Zi send you a copy of the "in flight" Jenny from 24 Nov. 01. It is handy if you would like one. I send it as the message so you need not worry about opening anything. You get the message it is right there. 27 KB. Other members... Send me a message and ask for it. I do not send photos without permission. Plane covers almost the entire photo. Good to great shot. Remember Vintage Aviation Services, Old Kingsbury Aerodrome, Texas. "Builders of yesterday". My own motto for them. Lee M. New Braunfels, TX Lee M John & Allison Cyganowski wrote: > > Sublimation is the change from the solid phase to the gasous without > trasition through the liquid. This can be seen on a CO2 phase diagram if you > know the temperature and pressure involved. There is a 4th phase of matter > called supercriticality. This phase exists above the critical temperature > and pressure of the compound. It is sometimes called a supercritical > "fluid". The fluid would occupy all of the space in the container and hence > would not slosh around, i.e. there will be only a single phase in the > container if it is above the supercritical temp. and pressure. > > Way, way ot. Sorry. How 'bout them new Eduards? > > Cyg. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lee M. > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 12:21 PM > Subject: [WWI] RE: CO2 set-up - a warning > > > If it was a liquid it would shift it's position inside the tank. If you > > hold it on it's sides and tilt from left to right the liquid will > > move.. Nothing moves inside the CO2 tank. If it is gaseous it is very > > close to Ice since CO2 Ice changes by sublimation and has no true liquid > > state. > > > > Being the type of material, it is, I have a thought that at just less > > than 540 PSI it does an almost instant change from a semi solid liquid > > to a gas state. As the pressure falls the liquids get larger then > > suddenly it is a gas. That would keep the liquid from ever moving end to > > end in a container. Can't think of any other reason. > > > > I do not know exactly what it is but the dealer calls it Ice. I tend to > > doubt it since the device that makes Dry Ice exerts a force of 60 tons > > while making CO2 snow into Ice and I am not sure it can be done by sheer > > gas pressure. > > > Here is a statement from a CO2 FAQ. > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:48:16 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: CO2 as airbrush propellant Message-ID: <3C7C48F0.A2E78F62@x25.net> Mark is 100% correct. You can avoid the possibility of the tank falling by getting a small wooden box about half height of the bottle. Put it in there with a small amount of cardboard pieces around the tank to fill spaces to the sides. It is stable then and it can not fall. My tank has a strange base added to the tank and it has a larger area of coverage than the bottle itself and it make the base mostly square. The base look commercially made and it was applied to the tank when it was new and when I bought it that was on it. I am not sure it would come off if I tried. It may have been applied hot and then shrunk into place. Never even comes close to falling down or tipping over. > Mark Quote* * * * * * > As far as danger, any compressed gas cylinder is a potential rocket. If the neck is damaged, the cylinder will act like a steel balloon with the neck untied. The release of gas could have problems if you are talking about modeling in a low, small area (say a room closed off from the rest of a basement) because CO2 is denser than air. In general, you should have a vent for airbrushing, so that fresh air is brought in and the spraying mixture is vented. There can be a problem if the vent is into a low area (say a cistern or one of those wells around the basement window that we use in the states where landscaping is built up a bit) where people have access, because the low area can fill with CO2 and children playing or someone working could conceivably be affected. End... Mark* * * * * * I spray on a glass enclosed Patio with a window open on one end and a door on the other.. I use a a cardboard box with a "jerry built" electric "Squirrel Cage" exhaust fan at the back,with a furnace filter to keep from painting the fan and the window screen. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:58:06 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: CO2 set-up - a warning Message-ID: <3C7C4B3E.F847434B@x25.net> One small suggestion...Get away from Washinton and ask again. Those prices are very high. A used tank should cost perhaps 25 % of that ,or less. As long as it is recently tested, used, is just as good as new. The lease price is outrageous. My tank did not cost even half of that amount. It was used. A new one is considered used the day you buy it and take it home. Like a car...Every person driving has a used car...and...they use it, more, almost every day. We have companies, in San Antonio that will lease the bottle for about 10 dollars a year and the price of the refill is $12.00. Chack around away from DC, Maryland and Virginia. Tehre is a whole different world out there. Lee M ot811 wrote: > > I have been checking out the prices for CO2 tanks in the Washington DC area. > A 20lb bottle costs about usd 135 to purchase > usd 55 per year to lease > A regulator costs usd 65, they dont lease those. > usd 20 to fill > regards > SSH ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:54:51 -0500 From: "mdf@mars.ark.com" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Munson Hansa Brandenburgs was: eBay ot books Message-ID: <3C7C669B.9089E8AC@mars.ark.com> They probably never even bothered to pass his notes on to the artist(s) As they say - if you want it done right - you have to do it yourself. Mike Fl. > Not too many years ago, Huntley had an article in some magazine about what > publishers did with his research when it came to doing color art. The Munson > series wasn't named, but from the context, it was possible to figure out that > was what he was talking about. He was specifically griping about what was > done with German schemes. They thanked him for his notes, then proceeded to > conjure up their own fanciful depictions. > RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 15:59:15 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Model Expo Albatros build Message-ID: <003f01c1bf4b$810c3d80$76492dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> Huff huff huff... Please kind sie could you pack a wee bit of plastic sheet for me too. ;-) Cheers Ross.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Weier" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 12:29 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Model Expo Albatros build > Ross says: > > > Thanks for posting about the Alb Cook-Up Matt in that thread > > at the Drome. I > > didnt even think to mention the Alb Cook Up.. D!OH.. Folks > > are dumb from > > where I come from, well they are up north.. ;-) > > That's true. Or we wouldn't be wasting our valuable time lunching with > cockroaches next week. Maybe I'll call Lorna and cancel. > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 > Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 > International ++61 7 38338042 > ********************************************************************** > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:00:00 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Model Expo Albatros build Message-ID: <004501c1bf4b$9bf40ec0$76492dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> No No No... You are not north, you live in NSW. thats fine. Its those that are.. nth of the border that we have to worry about.. Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane & Lorna Jenkins" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 12:43 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Model Expo Albatros build > Ross Moorhouse wrote: > > > > Thanks for posting about the Alb Cook-Up Matt in that thread at the Drome. I > > didnt even think to mention the Alb Cook Up.. D!OH.. Folks are dumb from > > where I come from, well they are up north.. ;-) > > Better be careful about that "north" moniker mate - afterall we're > north of you too remember ;-) > > StY > > PS: Thanks Matt for posting the Cookup at the Aerodrome as well ;-) > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 15:19:00 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Model Expo Albatros build Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDC84@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Ross pleads: > Huff huff huff... > > Please kind sie could you pack a wee bit of plastic sheet for > me too. ;-) ....*after* saying.... > Folks are dumb from > where I come from, well they are up north.. ;-) Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.............................. Now who's the dummy ;-) Shane (spitting the dummy) ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 00:35:22 -0500 From: "mdf@mars.ark.com" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Willy Coppens' Nie.16 Message-ID: <3C7C701A.DDAE3D2@mars.ark.com> I was planning to profile this one - anyone know what the serial is? A full rear quarter shot of this machine is in one of the old C&C's but my (photo)copy is illegible. It mentions p.127 Autumn 1974 (Vol 15 No3) The cowling is also different with the opening increased in diameter. (I can send some shots if you need them) The cabane struts should be aluminium, the interplane truts wood with colour coordinated bands (looks like they might be aluminium also) and while I have found nothing solid to confirm it, the cocotte is probably red. Mike Fl. (Currently doing the top view for the feathered USAS Nieuport 27) Above 32 at midnight here in Ottawa... robert owens wrote: > > Hey Gang, picked up Eduard Nie.11 today (damnme, but it's a pretty little > machine!)and want to convert it to Coppens' 16 (though "in Action" captions > photo of acft as a Nieuport 11). Is that a Belgian roundel (cockarde?) I see > on the top surface of the left wing? Wing markings in all 6 positions? alu > dope basic finish? what shade was the green topcolor? Were the 110 hp Le > Rhone and headrest the only major differences between the Nie.11 and the 16? > Nose to rear cabane struts aluminum or wood? TIA, Rob (Temps in Central > Texas in the 20's(F) tonight. We let Canadians win at hockey, and this is > the thanks we get?);-) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4218 **********************