WWI Digest 4208 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Zen andt the Art of Plastic Modeling by Ken Schmitt 2) Re: Zen andt the Art of Plastic Modeling by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 3) Sram Kits by Todd Hayes 4) profiles on ebay by PetersList@aol.com 5) Re: Zen andt the Art of Plastic Modeling/again by "Bob Pearson" 6) RE: Could Be Bad News/Buying Models from Europe via the Int by "Lee M." 7) Re: Zen andt the Art of Plastic Modeling by Karen Rychlewski 8) eBay ot books by Karen Rychlewski 9) ot Book for sale by "Lee M." 10) quiet ? by plesha3@comcast.net 11) Re: quiet ? by "Ross Moorhouse" 12) Re: quiet ? by "ibs4421" 13) Re: eBay ot books by Rory Goodwin 14) Re: eBay ot books by Rory Goodwin 15) Re: Zen andt the Art of Plastic Modeling by PetersList@aol.com 16) totally ot but its quiet tonight by "Bob Pearson" 17) Re: Munson Hansa Brandenburgs was: eBay ot books by "Hans Trauner" 18) Fokker D.VII question and other questions by "Steven Perry" 19) Re: Fokker D.VII question and other questions by PetersList@aol.com 20) Re: eBay ot books by PetersList@aol.com 21) Re: Fokker D.VII question and other questions by "Michael Robinson" 22) Re: totally ot but its quiet tonight by Ken Schmitt 23) Re: Fokker D.VII question and other questions by Ken Schmitt 24) Compressed air tank disadvantages by "ot811" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 12:38:25 -0800 From: Ken Schmitt To: Subject: Re: Zen andt the Art of Plastic Modeling Message-ID: thank you Peter. Ken > From: PetersList@aol.com > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:57:20 -0500 (EST) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: Zen andt the Art of Plastic Modeling > > Watch this space. > > cheers > > Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 13:48:55 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: Zen andt the Art of Plastic Modeling Message-ID: <001901c1bc9a$bfc7c390$4438183f@cyrixp166> Many thanks for all of your work on this. It is an invaluable service to the entire community. Regards, John Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 13:57:27 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Sram Kits Message-ID: <20020223215727.69744.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, I received a personal order today (not group) that includes a Sram 1/144 Halberstadt D.II. Man, can you say TINY!? These are beautiful. I would love to see what this company could do with 1/48. Hey, 1/48ers. Buy some of these and give Matt B. a hard time about building BALLOON SCALE 1/72 kits! The Halberstadt has about a 2.5 inch wingspan. These would be great for an aerial view airfield diorama. Also, to echo Sandy Adam and others, the new Spin kits are very fine and a great value for the money. I wish they'd do a Sopwith Tabloid and a Vickers FB.5. Heck, I wish just about anyone would do a Tabloid and Gunbus in 1/48. Vac, resin, or injected would work. The order included a copy of the new HR Models Hansa-Brandenburg C.I. It's a nice kit and looks like an improvement on the older HR kits. Better boxed too. Todd __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 17:29:25 EST From: PetersList@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: profiles on ebay Message-ID: <15b.97a3642.29a971c5@aol.com> A couple of Profiles (Dh 9a and Dh 4) seem to have strayed into militaria territory at http://listings.ebay.com/aw/plistings/list/category13966/index.html cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:47:19 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Zen andt the Art of Plastic Modeling/again Message-ID: <101449369601@smtp.vphos.net> He is also a lot of fun to party with :-) Bob ---------- >From: plesha3@comcast.net > I think he is a fine gentleman and easy to correspond with. > Good Luck > Later > Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 19:37:06 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Could Be Bad News/Buying Models from Europe via the Int Message-ID: <3C7843C2.C6AB630B@x25.net> That is the rabbit in the warren. Or the lion eating their lunch.It makes it very difficult fot the "oppressor". But then again interference in your private life is an accepted event in many countries around the world but they will need millions of workers to read all the mail. A nice Cypher Program would eliminate that possibility at least for a while. They have a neat police program on the books now and it is related to so called "Road Rage". If you pass a car on the wrong side while on a multi lane highway the officer can read you mind and he knows you did it because you were angry. So with that on his mind he issues a citation stating Road Rage. At the same time they are cracking down on "Psychics" on the television ads. They should be hired by the Police Force and the Import duty places. Lee M. "Lee M." wrote: > They will charge the delivery company/agency and through them ---you. > Lee M. > New Braunfels, Tx > > Nigel Cheffers-Heard wrote: > > > > and how, pray, do they intend to collect them? Another Urban Myth is born!.... > > N > > > > >Todd says: > > I've been > > >> hearing news that items produced in Europe (EU > > >> members) and sold via the internet might become > > >> subject to internet commercial taxes. > > -- > > Nigel Cheffers-Heard > > photography + design > > > > tel: +44 (0)1392 87 58 57 > > fax: +44 (0)1392 87 74 97 > > mobile: 0771 261 4514 > > nigelch@cheffers.co.uk > > www.cheffers.co.uk > > > > Laburnums, Bridge Hill > > Topsham, Exeter EX3 0QQ, UK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 23:16:23 -0500 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Zen andt the Art of Plastic Modeling Message-ID: <3C786917.A44A813A@earthlink.net> Peter Many thanks and whatever support I can give is gratefully offered. The Woodman book is one that I unfortunately never bought and I have regretted that lapse of sanity many times. Karen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 23:45:58 -0500 From: Karen Rychlewski To: to post Subject: eBay ot books Message-ID: <3C787006.8F8437AB@earthlink.net> FYI, a few good buys: Kenneth Munson's "WWI Fighter Aircraft" http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1517822104 Munson's "WWI Bomber and Recon Aircraft" http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1517821480 J.M. Bruce "War Planes of the First World War: Volume 4: France" French fighters from the B.A.J C2 to the Gourdou-Leseurre 2.C1 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1515726843 Karen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 23:05:50 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: ot Book for sale Message-ID: <3C7874AE.B2E1FD62@x25.net> Famous Aircraft of the National Air and Space Museum Volume #2. Aeronca C-2 The Story of the flying Bathtub. 70 pages as New. I have one extra. Lee M. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 20:10:44 -0500 From: plesha3@comcast.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: quiet ? Message-ID: <000701c1bcd0$15d9cfa0$ae913c44@macmb101.mi.comcast.net> Hi All- Is the list just quiet or is my superlative comcast cable doing its best at doing nothing? Later Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 16:23:39 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: quiet ? Message-ID: <002301c1bcf3$6acd5180$76492dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> The giant is sleeping.. shhhh ;-) Cheers Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 4:12 PM Subject: [WWI] quiet ? > Hi All- > Is the list just quiet or is my superlative comcast cable doing its best at > doing nothing? > Later > Tom > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 23:25:45 -0600 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Re: quiet ? Message-ID: <00a601c1bcf3$b83f1020$9a3dfad1@dwfjv01> All is very quiet here Tom. Warren ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 22:28:35 -0800 From: Rory Goodwin To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: eBay ot books Message-ID: <3C788812.42C6E82C@earthlink.net> Although a lot of the color profiles in the Munson books are outdated and they're probably not worth more than about 10 USD (I got mine from Tom Harrison at a show for half that), these books are nonetheless recommended, as Ian Huntley contributed research towards the illustrations. Of particular interest are the H-B C.I and Alb. B.II in the Bombers book, portrayed in the almost never seen 1916 irregular hand-painted "lozenge", the fascinating precursor to familiar printed fabric varieties. It is for this scheme that I'm willing to torture myself with the Forma Plane vac, although it is probably barely appropriate to the Alb. C.III as well. I've got other plans for the Meikraft kit, though... Karen Rychlewski wrote: > FYI, a few good buys: > > Kenneth Munson's "WWI Fighter Aircraft" > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1517822104 > > Munson's "WWI Bomber and Recon Aircraft" > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1517821480 > > J.M. Bruce "War Planes of the First World War: Volume 4: France" French > fighters from the B.A.J C2 to the Gourdou-Leseurre 2.C1 > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1515726843 > > Karen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 22:30:59 -0800 From: Rory Goodwin To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: eBay ot books Message-ID: <3C7888A3.F818FF07@earthlink.net> What important or even mass-produced ac would be in this one? No Nieuports, SPADS, Hanriots, or even Moranes... Karen Rychlewski wrote: > FYI, a few good buys: > > > J.M. Bruce "War Planes of the First World War: Volume 4: France" French > fighters from the B.A.J C2 to the Gourdou-Leseurre 2.C1 > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1515726843 > > Karen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 02:40:55 EST From: PetersList@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Zen andt the Art of Plastic Modeling Message-ID: <2b.22fd4871.29a9f307@aol.com> In a message dated 24/02/02 04:26:33 GMT Standard Time, krychski@earthlink.net writes: << The Woodman book is one that I unfortunately never bought and I have regretted that lapse of sanity many times. >> Karen, I have just this last couple of days scored a mint first edition for the princely sum of six pounds fifty pence, less than ten dollars, so there are copies floating around. I don't consider my efforts in this to be any effort at all, though it's very kind of everyone to see it that way. The letter I copied to the list yesterday indicates a level of commercial interest which is likely to be far more productive than any pressure from me ever could be. I find that encouraging. not just for any projected reprint but for the hobby in general. And I am sure there are several on this list doing a whole lot more than me to advance that particular cause. But this is a labour of love and I shall stick with it to the last gasp. cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 01:31:51 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: ww1 mailing list Subject: totally ot but its quiet tonight Message-ID: <101454317501@smtp.vphos.net> The cat is trying to drink the last of the water out of my glass. .. wonder if he'll notice the rye flavouring to it. .. must like it .. he's still trying. . dippping his paw into the very bottom and licking it. I need to get a new glass for myself now. To get this sort of OT. .. I'll be in Everett Washington from March 7-12 for the Seattle IPMS Show on March 9th. . any listees around, please try and attend the show. . perhaps we can arrange a meeting. I'll have all sorts of stuff to show off .. not sure about any models though. Go Canada !!!!!!!! Regards, Bob nb: nada, the Flowers are wilting :-( nl: Eagles nd(rinkng): rye and coke (new glass) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 11:32:33 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Munson Hansa Brandenburgs was: eBay ot books Message-ID: <002b01c1bd1e$91ad3240$02aa72d4@FRITZweb> Rory Goodwin wrote: > Of particular interest are the H-B C.I and Alb. B.II in the Bombers book, > portrayed in the almost never seen 1916 irregular hand-painted "lozenge", > the fascinating precursor to familiar printed fabric varieties. It is for > this scheme that I'm willing to torture myself with the Forma Plane vac, > although it is probably barely appropriate to the Alb. C.III as well. I've > got other plans for the Meikraft kit, though... I was fascinated from these schemes from the very beginning I saw them. I would call them 'brick' schemes, as these forms are no real lozenges. But on the other hand... I never found any other source to proof these schemes. And did the german Luftfahrtruppe really use Hansa-Brandenburg C.I ? For test purposes there may be one or another lurking around, but were they really accepted for official combat use?? Hans ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 07:53:52 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Fokker D.VII question and other questions Message-ID: <002701c1bd32$4fdbbda0$0fe82341@tampabay.rr.com> Looking at the Fokker D.VII Anthology 1, I see the color plates have some top views that show the lower wing/fuselage area. There are gray rectangles depicted on the top surface of the lower wing right over the spars. I assume this is some sort of wing attach fitting. Maybe I'm not looking well but were these visible on the surface? If so, what color? Gray/green? Were there any similar on the bottom? Semi related Goering questions: I saw a photo of HG with a Daschund, but it was well post 1918. Did he have a dog while at J.11? Breed? Can anyone seriously comment on the nature of the beef between HG & Willi Gabriel. I need to know for a build article. Cow note: I was at the RR shop and they have plenty of cow figures in 1/87 which is close enough to 1/bittner2nd for use in a Jasta 5 lineup diorama. And BTW, Dr. Glen Merrilll of A/G was supposed to come out with a new Jasta 5 sheet reflecting recent revelations about J.5 markings. Has this come about?? tia sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 08:07:58 EST From: PetersList@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Fokker D.VII question and other questions Message-ID: <119.d1b8620.29aa3fae@aol.com> In a message dated 24/02/02 12:54:27 GMT Standard Time, sperry03@tampabay.rr.com writes: << I was at the RR shop and they have plenty of cow figures in 1/87 which is close enough to 1/bittner2nd for use in a Jasta 5 lineup diorama >> Of course you'll have to sand off all the rib detail ;) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 08:54:49 EST From: PetersList@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: eBay ot books Message-ID: <164.95a608b.29aa4aa9@aol.com> In a message dated 24/02/02 06:25:30 GMT Standard Time, rorygood@earthlink.net writes: << What important or even mass-produced ac would be in this one? No Nieuports, SPADS, Hanriots, or even Moranes... >> Volume 6 was to have covered the Nieuports but McDonalds went tits up before it made it to publication. Much of what would have been in there was used by Jack Bruce in Nieuport Fighters. They are useful little books. I have them all but as rather grubby modellers copies. These look nice. I'm tempted. cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 09:00:41 -0500 From: "Michael Robinson" To: Subject: Re: Fokker D.VII question and other questions Message-ID: <001601c1bd3b$a6b9d040$d67bbfa8@default> < Of course you'll have to sand off all the rib detail ;) > That was udderly bad Peter. Cut the bull...lol ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:10 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: Fokker D.VII question and other questions In a message dated 24/02/02 12:54:27 GMT Standard Time, sperry03@tampabay.rr.com writes: << I was at the RR shop and they have plenty of cow figures in 1/87 which is close enough to 1/bittner2nd for use in a Jasta 5 lineup diorama >> Of course you'll have to sand off all the rib detail ;) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 08:22:15 -0800 From: Ken Schmitt To: Subject: Re: totally ot but its quiet tonight Message-ID: Rob't shares- >.. wonder if he'll notice the rye flavouring to it. .. > Go Canada !!!!!!!! >nl: Eagles >nd(rinkng): rye and coke (new glass) IS THIS A GREAT LIST OR WHAT? especially the rye part. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 08:29:11 -0800 From: Ken Schmitt To: Subject: Re: Fokker D.VII question and other questions Message-ID: sp seriously wonders- > Can anyone seriously comment on the nature of the beef between HG & Willi > Gabriel. I need to know for a build article. I can't cite the specific pub, but recall reading (here online) that Gabriel was young, talented, motivated and disrespectful. Herman was aloof, war-weary, lapful of responsibility and class-conscious. Shaken or stirred, that's trouble brewing. Herman had position on the youngster.... Upstart vs. Establishment. That's all I know and you prob already know that much. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 11:45:11 -0500 From: "ot811" To: "wwi-list" Subject: Compressed air tank disadvantages Message-ID: My air compressor finally gave up with an interesting display of fireworks (the brush contacts got chewed up). So now I am looking for a new source of compressed air, and am seriously considering getting a refillable CO2 tank. I remember a recent thread that discussed its great merits. My question is, does it have any disavantages compared to an air compressor? thanks SSH ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4208 **********************