WWI Digest 4198 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Curtiss NC-4 wasRE: Re: Sablatnig SF-5 & Other Lone Sta by "Pedro N. Soares" 2) Re: Great Models Webstore by "ot811" 3) RE: Curtiss NC-4 wasRE: Re: Sablatnig SF-5 & Other Lone Star Re by "Steven Perry" 4) RE: Zen and the Art of Plastic Modeling by "Diego Fernetti" 5) RE: Curtiss NC-4 wasRE: Re: Sablatnig SF-5 & Other Lone Star Re by "Diego Fernetti" 6) Re: Request for Sablatnig SF-5 Info by "Steven Perry" 7) RE: Curtiss NC-4 wasRE: Re: Sablatnig SF-5 & Other Lone Star Re by "Steven Perry" 8) sights and sightings by "Diego Fernetti" 9) RE: Curtiss NC-4 wasRE: Re: Sablatnig SF-5 & Other Lone Star Re by "Diego Fernetti" 10) Renwal DH-2 on eBay Qn by "ot811" 11) Re: Request for Sablatnig SF-5 Info by "Bob Pearson" 12) Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter types and kits by "Michael Kendix" 13) Re: Renwal DH-2 on eBay Qn by "Hans Trauner" 14) Re: Request for Sablatnig SF-5 Info by "Lance Krieg" 15) RE: Curtiss NC-4 wasRE: Re: Sablatnig SF-5 & Other Lone by Crawford Neil 16) RE: Curtiss NC-4 wasRE: Re: Sablatnig SF-5 & Other Lone by Crawford Neil 17) Re: 76 Squadriglia Bebe by Jan Vihonen 18) RE: Curtiss NC-4 by tbittners@sprintmail.com 19) Re: R: Re: 76 Squadriglia Bebe by Jan Vihonen 20) Re: 76 Squadriglia Bebe by tbittners@sprintmail.com 21) Re: Renwal DH-2 on eBay Qn by GRBroman@aol.com 22) Speaking of Ebay: CSM Morane Saulnier by "Brent Theobald" 23) Re: Speaking of Ebay: CSM Morane Saulnier by "Michael Kendix" 24) Re: Speaking of Ebay: CSM Morane Saulnier by "Brent Theobald" 25) Re: Speaking of Ebay: CSM Morane Saulnier by tbittners@sprintmail.com 26) Re: Speaking of Ebay: CSM Morane Saulnier by Todd Hayes 27) Re: Zen and the Art of Plastic Modeling by CoolSpadLuke@aol.com 28) Re: Renwal DH-2 on eBay Qn by "ot811" 29) RE: Admin out of comission by Shane Weier 30) Re: Matching colors by Shane Weier 31) RE: Curtiss NC-4 by "Pedro Soares" 32) German A/C of WWI Tome, and... by "Graham Hunter" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 16:07:06 -0000 From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Curtiss NC-4 wasRE: Re: Sablatnig SF-5 & Other Lone Sta Message-ID: <12AEB3D996DDD311B98A00508B6D75B3014E9508@TUFAO> If ever you go to the Azores and land at Ponta Delgada Airport (S. Miguel Island) be sure to check the very nice model of one of the NCs hanging from the ceiling of the passenger terminal, over a perspex box that encloses one of the wing tip floats of NC-3. Pedro > > > Also first across the atlantic (unless I'm mixing up), > that's one that could almost make this tight-fist cough up. > /Neil C. > > > > Ain't nothin' dinky about an NC-4 in any scale. We saw one in > > Pensacola and > > it is a massive machine. Seemed like acres of CDL. A > > magnificent flying > > boat. > > > > sp > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 10:47:34 -0500 From: "ot811" To: Subject: Re: Great Models Webstore Message-ID: <01bb01c1ba29$8e3fdce0$0800010a@cyberelan.com> I ordered from them 3 times last year or so. - No problems at all with the one order. - In one case, item listed in stock, was not actually in stock - Another time, order was swallowed by carpet monster, and had to be resuscitated They were not responsive to email queries They were not easy to get on the phone. Nice colourful web interface though. regards SSH ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:14:23 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: RE: Curtiss NC-4 wasRE: Re: Sablatnig SF-5 & Other Lone Star Re Message-ID: <00c001c1ba29$a92b57a0$0fe82341@tampabay.rr.com> > I still can't believe that those huge flying boats like that and one ot we > saw in the USA would ever lift off the ground. Thats why they generally used water ;-) Sorry sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:16:59 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Zen and the Art of Plastic Modeling Message-ID: <044c01c1ba2a$0617cb60$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Well Peter, he wouldn't be so irate if you ask permission. The worst he can do is deny it! Anyway, I'm confident that he would allow it, unless he plans a new incarnation of his work (in wich case we also win as modelers) D. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 12:42 PM Subject: [WWI] Zen and the Art of Plastic Modeling > Dear all, I shall to-day post a letter to Harry Woodman (preserve his name) > asking his permission to work up an Online version of Scale Model Aircraft in > Plastic Card. If it all comes to naught thank you all for your encouragement > over the last couple of years trying to get blood out of Nexus publications > and, more recently, when kicking the online idea around. But if permission is > his to give and he is willing to give it (I understand he can be an > irrascible old cove) watch this space. > > cheers > > Peter L > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:17:52 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Curtiss NC-4 wasRE: Re: Sablatnig SF-5 & Other Lone Star Re Message-ID: <045601c1ba2a$25aef3e0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Whoa that is a cunning plan! ;-) D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Perry To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 1:14 PM Subject: [WWI] RE: Curtiss NC-4 wasRE: Re: Sablatnig SF-5 & Other Lone Star Re > > I still can't believe that those huge flying boats like that and one ot we > > saw in the USA would ever lift off the ground. > > Thats why they generally used water ;-) > > Sorry > sp > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:19:50 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Request for Sablatnig SF-5 Info Message-ID: <00c801c1ba2a$6c415be0$0fe82341@tampabay.rr.com> Mike: IIRC Chandelle had a profile and some info on the Sablatnig some time ago. BTW they also had a nice piece on lighted night gunsights a while back too. Again IIRC. sp > Thanks to all that responded to my request for help. I keep forgetting I have the Thetford & Gray book. My copy is in such shape that I feel the pages are about to fall out when I use it. It has some interesting photos of the Sablatnig series. Those of the SF-5 and SF-6 (essentially an SF-5 with wheeled landing gear used for training), on pages 536 and 537, offer help on the rigging and markings. The SF-5 fuselage and float sides appear to be painted in wide, vertical bars of alternating dark and light colors having blurred edges. I don't know if they extend underneath, probably not. I think it looks neat and may try to copy it. Any suggestions as to the colors would be appreciated. The kit instructions say "Lozenge fabric was used on all upper surfaces. The sides of the fuselage and floats were probably gray with the lower surfaces in a natural linen cover." The LSM kit comes with marine lozenge decals for the upper surfaces. > > The FMP IRAS photo shows the national insignia without the large block of white background as on the T&G SF-5 photo. > > I have not been able to obtain a copy of the Harleyford Marine book for what I think is a reasonable price (and for me, that's saying a lot!) so I would appreciate anyone having the book and a scanner or willing to make photocopies of the SF-5 info, please contact me off list. > > Lance has commented on the kit and I don't have much to add, except cockpit construction allows you to detail as much as you want to. How much will be seen may be something else. > > TIA, > Mike Kavanaugh > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:29:07 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: RE: Curtiss NC-4 wasRE: Re: Sablatnig SF-5 & Other Lone Star Re Message-ID: <00d201c1ba2b$b8392f40$0fe82341@tampabay.rr.com> > Whoa that is a cunning plan! ;-) > D. Eliminates all that drag you get scraping a hull down the runway. sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:46:50 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "ww1 list" Subject: sights and sightings Message-ID: <049201c1ba2e$31f227e0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Result of an offline conversation about sights, I guess that those interested in the topic may find these URLs illustrative: http://memorial.flight.free.fr/gallery/fokker/cokVR.html http://memorial.flight.free.fr/gallery/fokker/int15.jpg http://memorial.flight.free.fr/gallery/Se5/cokVR.html http://memorial.flight.free.fr/gallery/Se5/aldis4.jpg http://memorial.flight.free.fr/gallery/Se5/aldis3.jpg http://memorial.flight.free.fr/gallery/Se5/aldis2.jpg http://memorial.flight.free.fr/gallery/Se5/aldis1.jpg D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:51:10 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Curtiss NC-4 wasRE: Re: Sablatnig SF-5 & Other Lone Star Re Message-ID: <04a401c1ba2e$cc6f6940$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> result of these are the famous "skid marks"? ;-) D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Perry > Eliminates all that drag you get scraping a hull down the runway. > sp > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:13:08 -0500 From: "ot811" To: "wwi-list" Subject: Renwal DH-2 on eBay Qn Message-ID: <020c01c1ba31$e2c06cf0$0800010a@cyberelan.com> Saw this on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1705791468 I might put in a bid on it. But I am not calling dibs on it or such. Is this item for the collector or the builder? Curious about the kit quality. Can somebody comment on it ? Eg, compare it with SMER and Blue Max. I believe the blue max kit is out-of-production, and this is the only other kit in 1:48, except for SMER. I would also like any opinions on what I should pay for it - offlist. thanks in advance. SSH ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 10:23:27 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Request for Sablatnig SF-5 Info Message-ID: <101422956301@smtp.vphos.net> Back when I was bitten by the German seaplane bug I asked about this particular aircraft. . I got some replies from various folks and the result can be found on my CD in the Naval section of the German profiles. Bob ---------- >From: CoolSpadLuke@aol.com > Thanks to all that responded to my request for help. I keep forgetting I > have the Thetford & Gray book. My copy is in such shape that I feel the > pages are about to fall out when I use it. It has some interesting photos > of the Sablatnig series. Those of the SF-5 and SF-6 (essentially an SF-5 > with wheeled landing gear used for training), on pages 536 and 537, offer > help on the rigging and markings. The SF-5 fuselage and float sides appear > to be painted in wide, vertical bars of alternating dark and light colors > having blurred edges. I don't know if they extend underneath, probably > not. I think it looks neat and may try to copy it. Any suggestions as to > the colors would be appreciated. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 18:36:17 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter types and kits Message-ID: I know there is a section on Strutters at the web site but that doesn't answer all my questions. Briefly, what were the main types of Strutters (1.B1, 1.B2, 1.A1, 1.A2?) and what were the differences between them? Which kits pertain to which type? Michael _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:41:06 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Renwal DH-2 on eBay Qn Message-ID: <00b101c1ba3e$280c06a0$a9ab72d4@FRITZweb> The 'Aero Skin' means that you have to use tissue paper , pre-printed in PC 10 incl. Roundels etc., to achieve the wing covering. It's definitely for the collector. If you want to have a DH2, a) take Blue Max and get the potential for a great perfect model. And it's a good opportunity to learn perfect soldering... b) take SMER. This old Merit kit does have his merits. It's buildable, replace the gun, engine, prop etc. There should be a perfect example somewhere on the WWI model page, but I forgot who built it... H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ot811" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 6:13 PM Subject: [WWI] Renwal DH-2 on eBay Qn > Saw this on eBay: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1705791468 > I might put in a bid on it. But I am not calling dibs on it or such. > Is this item for the collector or the builder? > Curious about the kit quality. Can somebody comment on it ? Eg, compare it > with SMER and Blue Max. > I believe the blue max kit is out-of-production, and this is the only other > kit in 1:48, except for SMER. > I would also like any opinions on what I should pay for it - offlist. > thanks in advance. > SSH ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:51:36 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Request for Sablatnig SF-5 Info Message-ID: I did read the Harleyford Marine description on this plane last night, and there were 5 or so pictures with the 1/72 drawings (no scanner, Mike, sorry). 90 odd exemplars built, used in all theaters, and also by the Poles and IRAS. Turks, too, I shouldn't wonder. The Kriegsmarine was pretty uniform in the markings; hex top surfaces, mid gray sides/struts with light gray undersurfaces (metal/ply). Fabric under surfaces CDL. This on everything from April, 1917 to the end of the war. I, too, asked Mike West where he got his information, and will post any news. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 17:16:57 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Curtiss NC-4 wasRE: Re: Sablatnig SF-5 & Other Lone Message-ID: Thanks for the laugh, both of you! /Neil C. > > I still can't believe that those huge flying boats like > that and one ot we > > saw in the USA would ever lift off the ground. > > Thats why they generally used water ;-) > > Sorry > sp > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 17:15:47 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Curtiss NC-4 wasRE: Re: Sablatnig SF-5 & Other Lone Message-ID: Thanks Pedro, we are just planning a trip to the Canaries, this changes thing! /Neil C. > > If ever you go to the Azores and land at Ponta Delgada > Airport (S. Miguel > Island) be sure to check the very nice model of one of the > NCs hanging from > the ceiling of the passenger terminal, over a perspex box > that encloses one > of the wing tip floats of NC-3. > > Pedro > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 21:22:07 +0200 From: Jan Vihonen To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: 76 Squadriglia Bebe Message-ID: <3C73F75F.9436035A@helsinki.fi> Robert wrote: > Alberto, Marc (et. al) Thanks once again for your research efforts on my > behalf! Osprey's Nieuport aces (p81) shows a photo of Mario Stoppani's Ni > 1650 with narrow angled tricolor band which DOES go over the top decking on > CDL fuselage w/ alu cowl. I assume this is the 76 Sqa marking Alberto spoke > of? Probably, since he flew with this unit. Can any one give me a paint match (or even close approximation) for the > italian brown? and, excuse my ignorance, what is "Dicta Ira?" Regards, Rob > I suppose you mean the overall colour of the (Nieuport) aircraft, it is not actually brown, the gentlemen at Osprey seem to have got it wrong. The real colour of Macchi built Nie. 11 is off-white, original having been bleached linen. Alberto gave me Humbrol 41 as a good approximation for it. HTH, Jan > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:21:48 -0500 (EST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Curtiss NC-4 Message-ID: <20020220192148.46544468D4@eclipse.qis.net> Just did a Google search, and came up with the following (which includes a pic of the NC-4 landing in Portugal): http://www.aviation-history.com/navy/nc4.html The neat thing is this topic is totally on-topic! I was wondering, but it looks like the NC-4 was built during WW1. Cool! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 21:29:36 +0200 From: Jan Vihonen To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: R: Re: 76 Squadriglia Bebe Message-ID: <3C73F920.24461529@helsinki.fi> Damn, I should have first read all the messages. Jan > Yes, that is the 76a Squadriglia marking I referred to, although its more > common variant does not go over the fuselage top. > I have never seen that picture: is it possible to get a scan of it ? TIA ! > > As for the light brown mix, a good approximation can be got adding 1 part of > white to 3 parts of mid stone. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:29:30 -0500 (EST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: 76 Squadriglia Bebe Message-ID: <20020220192930.85463468D5@eclipse.qis.net> On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:16:50 -0500 (EST), Jan Vihonen wrote: >I suppose you mean the overall colour of the (Nieuport) aircraft, it is >not actually brown, the gentlemen at Osprey seem to have got it wrong. >The real colour of Macchi built Nie. 11 is off-white, original having >been bleached linen. Alberto gave me Humbrol 41 as a good approximation >for it. Ah, Jan. :-) Alberto has done a lot of research into Italian Nie.11s, and depending on the serial (in most cases) you can differentiate between CDL machines and the *light brown* ones. There were two distinct colors. For colors, MisterKit has one already made (with help from Alberto). Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:40:06 EST From: GRBroman@aol.com To: Subject: Re: Renwal DH-2 on eBay Qn Message-ID: <122.ca0818f.29a55596@aol.com> "Saw this on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-gi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1705791468, I might put in a bid on it. But I am not calling dibs on it or such." They go for around $5 at the swap meets in the Chicago/midwest area. Glen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:47:28 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Speaking of Ebay: CSM Morane Saulnier Message-ID: Howdy! No interest in this, but here's the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1705533349 Later! Brent _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:04:35 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Speaking of Ebay: CSM Morane Saulnier Message-ID: Not blaming Brent here but... According to the vendor of this item on Ebay, "You are bidding on a hard to find highly detailed 1/48 scale resin kit of the French experimental parasol winged World War One fighter , the Morane-Saulnier Ai." "Hard to find" - A misleading statement. Check out: http://www.amug.org/~copperst/kits_allied.html where you can buy it brand you new fromEric for $41.99. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:11:01 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Speaking of Ebay: CSM Morane Saulnier Message-ID: Howdy! Good point! I always assume I am dealing with a educated audience here :-) Later! Brent >From: "Michael Kendix" >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] Re: Speaking of Ebay: CSM Morane Saulnier >Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:05:34 -0500 (EST) > >Not blaming Brent here but... > >According to the vendor of this item on Ebay, > >"You are bidding on a hard to find highly detailed 1/48 scale resin kit of >the French experimental parasol winged World War One fighter , the >Morane-Saulnier Ai." > >"Hard to find" - A misleading statement. Check out: > >http://www.amug.org/~copperst/kits_allied.html > >where you can buy it brand you new fromEric for $41.99. > >Michael > >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:12:11 -0500 (EST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Speaking of Ebay: CSM Morane Saulnier Message-ID: <20020220201211.3591F468D6@eclipse.qis.net> On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:05:34 -0500 (EST), Michael Kendix wrote: >"Hard to find" - A misleading statement. Not to mention "experimental". Cripes. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:25:55 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Speaking of Ebay: CSM Morane Saulnier Message-ID: <20020220202555.19356.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> To the seller, I imagine everything is 'hard to find' if they want to sell it. --- Michael Kendix wrote: > Not blaming Brent here but... > > According to the vendor of this item on Ebay, > > "You are bidding on a hard to find highly detailed > 1/48 scale resin kit of > the French experimental parasol winged World War One > fighter , the > Morane-Saulnier Ai." > > "Hard to find" - A misleading statement. Check > out: > > http://www.amug.org/~copperst/kits_allied.html > > where you can buy it brand you new fromEric for > $41.99. > > Michael > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: > http://mobile.msn.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 16:47:04 EST From: CoolSpadLuke@aol.com To: Subject: Re: Zen and the Art of Plastic Modeling Message-ID: <146.9d685d5.29a57359@aol.com> Wishing you good luck, Peter, and may the modelling gods be with you! Mike Kavanaugh In a message dated Wed, 20 Feb 2002 10:43:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, PetersList@aol.com writes: > Dear all, I shall to-day post a letter to Harry Woodman (preserve his name) > asking his permission to work up an Online version of Scale Model Aircraft in > Plastic Card. If it all comes to naught thank you all for your encouragement > over the last couple of years trying to get blood out of Nexus publications > and, more recently, when kicking the online idea around. But if permission is > his to give and he is willing to give it (I understand he can be an > irrascible old cove) watch this space. > > cheers > > Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 16:59:19 -0500 From: "ot811" To: Subject: Re: Renwal DH-2 on eBay Qn Message-ID: <02af01c1ba59$db6c7b60$0800010a@cyberelan.com> Glen, Thank you very much. That is a very useful tidbit. regards SSH ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 08:16:24 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Admin out of comission Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDC1C@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Al says: > I've been down with a sinus infection for the past 5 days > - haven't had > the energy to keep up with the list (hell I don't even have the energy > to take a shower some days). While I'm gone please 'play > nice' and hopefully > Matt can look over things. All together now..... Pray that the list doesn't crash ! (with a side order for Al's health) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 08:26:59 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Matching colors Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDC1D@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Mark says: > I imagine he will chime in sooner or later on this question. > he just posted a lengthy and comprehensive article (in > several parts) to the aerodrome forum which concluded that > anybody who claims to "know" what a given color was, based > solely on a BW photo, is fooling himself. Stef and I sometimes disagree about details, but we agree pretty well entirely on that one. His article is well worth saving IMO. > Might want to bring this along to shows just in case the > color police decide to visit the WW1 table. Or just to give yourself a reality check when subject to flights of fancy? > > My personal view - > Whats wrong with guessing? We do *not* GUESS ! Informed speculation. Yeah, that's what it is. > Sure - research as best you can to try and figure out what is > more or less likely. But in the end - guess We do *not* GUESS ! ;-) In truth, there *has* to be a bit of imagination used in this field, even by the most scholarly. It doesn't hurt to have a logical basis for a decision, but IMHO it's *crucial* that you tell the viewer what logic (or illogic) underpins your decision lest they be tempted to quote you as an authority (and through repetition muddy the waters for future researchers who might have actually discovered some hard evidence) Note that (for example) Ray Rimell and our own Bob Pearson are at pains to provide disclaimers when there may be doubt in their profile depictions - we should do no less *and* any "judge" who doesn't like it needs his own reality check. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 22:33:00 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: RE: Curtiss NC-4 Message-ID: <003101c1ba5e$8dc6e940$367316d5@netcabo.pt> Yes, cool link Matt. I've been promised a copy of a commemorative book on the anniversary of Horta Airport (in the Island of Faial) that probably will have some picts of the NCs too. I'll let you know when I get it. In the meantime, anyone wanting to take a peep at the float of NC3 or the model at Ponta Delgada Airport, I have the 3 photos scanned. The float one is almost useless, due to flash reflection off the perspex case, but it'll give an idea. Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 7:22 PM Subject: [WWI] RE: Curtiss NC-4 > Just did a Google search, and came up with the following (which includes a pic of the NC-4 landing in Portugal): > http://www.aviation-history.com/navy/nc4.html > > The neat thing is this topic is totally on-topic! I was wondering, but it looks like the NC-4 was built during WW1. Cool! > > > Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 16:42:44 -0600 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: German A/C of WWI Tome, and... Message-ID: <000b01c1ba5f$ea785a60$770101c0@ghunter> Hey gang, I got this tome from the local library about 2 weeks ago (and will be renewing the loan a few times, I AM SURE) and I've got to say to all those German nay sayers, "The reason model companies put out more German stuff is because it is cool looking stuff" Rave mode off. Anyway does any listlander know if there are any scale drawings of the Albatros D.XI? There were only two prototypes built for the D competetions. This for me is a must scratchbuild. Why, because it's a rotary, elephant ears cowl, it has really cool hollow wood I struts and hollow wood flying "wires". This is just one of the many German A/C I would like to see as a model. Regards, Graham ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4198 **********************