WWI Digest 4185 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Zen andt the Art of Plastic Modeling by PetersList@aol.com 2) New models by "Sandy Adam" 3) Re: Zen andt the Art of Plastic Modeling by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 4) RE: I'm crazy by KnnthS@aol.com 5) Re: Zen andt the Art of Plastic Modeling by KnnthS@aol.com 6) Re: Part SPAD SA.2/4 p/e by Witold Kozakiewicz 7) =?big5?Q?=AD=BB=B4=E4200=B8UE-mail&Fax=A6W=B3=E6=A1E=AB=C5=B6=C7=B5L=AD=AD?= by 2000Email_FaxCD 8) Re: Zen andt the Art of Plastic Modeling by "Lee M." 9) RE: Guitar Strings, was Making formers in 1/72nd scale... by CoolSpadLuke@aol.com 10) Re: Zen andt the Art of Plastic Modeling by Shane Weier 11) Re: Zen andt the Art of Plastic Modeling by KnnthS@aol.com 12) Re: Luftstreitkraefte by KnnthS@aol.com 13) Re: Imperial German Air Service Official Name or Abbrev?? by "Hans Trauner" 14) Hit a snag by "Michael Robinson" 15) Re: PKZ-2 by "Tom Plesha" 16) posting by plesha3@comcast.net 17) Re: Zen andt the Art of Plastic Modeling by PetersList@aol.com 18) Clarification, was, Seeking Albatros pic collection by "stefenk" 19) The shop eats one again ot request by "Thomas Solinski" 20) Hit a snag 2. by "Michael Robinson" 21) Munson books fot trade by "Dave Calhoun" 22) Yellowed decals by "Steven Perry" 23) thanks by "Liefferinckx Frederic" 24) Lloyd C.II / C.III question by "Steven Perry" 25) de Turenne's Bebe by "Steven Perry" 26) Re: Lloyd C.II / C.III question by "Michael Robinson" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 05:12:11 EST From: PetersList@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Zen andt the Art of Plastic Modeling Message-ID: <4b.186f6f94.299f8a7b@aol.com> In a message dated 16/02/02 08:59:22 GMT Standard Time, nigelch@cheffers.co.uk writes: << Ask yourself this question: Is the form as important as the content? If so, pdf is the way to go, but it can require a lot of work to translate a pre-existing work. If, on the other hand, it is the content which is important, then plain text and placeholders for the illustrations will suffice, and produce a very efficient file. >> Nigel, I am presently drafting a letter to ask Mr Woodman's permission to go ahead with this. It may be that it is not his to give and the whole thing could flounder right there. In the event that it does go ahead I would want to preserve all original content including the layout and your PDF suggestion obviously has much to commend it. One problem would be that I am less familiar with PDF than I am with HTML, but I am an old dog who likes to learn new tricks. cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 11:15:39 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: "AAA - WWI Modelling List" Subject: New models Message-ID: <001f01c1b6db$899f5c20$21e8b094@sandyada> What a wealth of new releases, we're enjoying just now! Problem is they are limited edition and I'm scared to miss them, but 'll have to go into overdrive to get some built. Latest gems to hit my letterbox are two new 1/48 Spin offerings of the wonderful Siemens Schukert DDr1 and the Morane Saulnier Al parasol. Both to the usual terrific Spin resin moulding standard and complete with beautiful transfers etc. No PE this time (who cares - apart from gun jackets!) but lots of delicate resin castings. Not so sure about the struts - both subjects have very complex arrangements and they are well-moulded: but the resin may be too fragile - we'll see. maybe some Strutz will be used here. What fantastic value these kits are. I got them from Lubos' excellent Vamp service - if you haven't dealt with Lubos you will be very happy with his superb sevice. But the staggering thing is these kits are less than 20 bucks each!!!! (Okay I'll need to add new guns - but I usually have to replace wheels or something from kits costing twice or thrice this) Very impressive are the beatifully formed wings - these are quite often the achilles heel of short run resin kits. Spin manage to combine thin chord with flat span and fully-formed trailing edges of minimal thickness - along with a minimum of flash and no air bubbles. The DDR1 is quite a big model and the top and bottom wings are about 10 inches long, but moulded in one piece each - many others would mould in two halves with resulting problems in matching chord and filling seams. I can see an awful lot of DDR1s and MoS AIs appearing on the workbenches soon at this sort of quality/price. I didn't fancy the Sage or Caudron monoplane that Spin are also releasing but if they are as good as these... Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 07:07:46 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: Zen andt the Art of Plastic Modeling Message-ID: <004901c1b6e2$8c6e7d80$5737183f@cyrixp166> I can create PDF files. Cyg. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 5:13 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: Zen andt the Art of Plastic Modeling > In a message dated 16/02/02 08:59:22 GMT Standard Time, > nigelch@cheffers.co.uk writes: > > << Ask yourself this question: Is the form as > important as the content? If so, pdf is the way to go, but it can > require a lot of work to translate a pre-existing work. > If, on the other hand, it is the content which is important, then > plain text and placeholders for the illustrations will suffice, and > produce a very efficient file. >> > > Nigel, I am presently drafting a letter to ask Mr Woodman's permission to go > ahead with this. It may be that it is not his to give and the whole thing > could flounder right there. In the event that it does go ahead I would want > to preserve all original content including the layout and your PDF > suggestion obviously has much to commend it. One problem would be that I am > less familiar with PDF than I am with HTML, but I am an old dog who likes to > learn new tricks. > > cheers > > Peter L > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 07:11:15 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: I'm crazy Message-ID: <178.3ac05ec.299fa663@aol.com> Shane brings down this set of tablets: << And to postpics of their models so that we can all share it. >> and Eduard can release it. shame on you for encouraging that impressionable young man.... ; ) Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 07:16:27 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Zen andt the Art of Plastic Modeling Message-ID: <10c.d02556c.299fa79b@aol.com> In a message dated 16/2/02 2:14:20 am, PetersList@aol.com writes: << One problem would be that I am less familiar with PDF than I am with HTML, but I am an old dog who likes to learn new tricks. >> Peter, so am I -pdf is as easy as the application, Acrobat, the print driver -Acrobat pdf Writer and sending a doc to the acrobat print driver instead of your typical desktop printer. Easy deal. You'll need some sort of Word or page layout application to originate your file in, but from there, it's probably just as easy or easier than html. fwiw Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 13:33:30 +0100 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Part SPAD SA.2/4 p/e Message-ID: <3C6E519A.2070306@bg.am.lodz.pl> I have to add two words to it. As you can see set consists of two sheets, but this is only on initial series. Second small sheet is errata. Part prepared first batch before I finished testing and he had to make some changes. 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To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Zen andt the Art of Plastic Modeling Message-ID: <3C6E65DB.16B9C344@x25.net> Many times the copyright goes to the magazine and publisher once sold for publication. As I recall British publications have been doing that for some time. So maybe that is why it has not been reproduced. They just don't want to bother. Some of the more modern and well known authors have managed to hold on to certain rights but not all of them. When advance payment is made different rules apply. Lee M. PetersList@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 16/02/02 08:59:22 GMT Standard Time, > nigelch@cheffers.co.uk writes: > > << Ask yourself this question: Is the form as > important as the content? If so, pdf is the way to go, but it can > require a lot of work to translate a pre-existing work. > If, on the other hand, it is the content which is important, then > plain text and placeholders for the illustrations will suffice, and > produce a very efficient file. >> > > Nigel, I am presently drafting a letter to ask Mr Woodman's permission to go > ahead with this. It may be that it is not his to give and the whole thing > could flounder right there. In the event that it does go ahead I would want > to preserve all original content including the layout and your PDF > suggestion obviously has much to commend it. One problem would be that I am > less familiar with PDF than I am with HTML, but I am an old dog who likes to > learn new tricks. > > cheers > > Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 09:19:18 EST From: CoolSpadLuke@aol.com To: Subject: RE: Guitar Strings, was Making formers in 1/72nd scale... Message-ID: <159.919cc05.299fc466@aol.com> Thanks, RK. I'll pick some up today. Mike Kavanaugh ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 00:23:14 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Zen andt the Art of Plastic Modeling Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDBEC@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Hello Lee > Many times the copyright goes to the magazine and publisher once sold > for publication. As I recall British publications have been > doing that for some time. Copyright generally remains with the originator unless it is specifically sold - this is so in probably 95% of nations including both the UK and US. Not really to do with British versus other nations - write an article for FSM and IIRC their agreement require you to sell the rights to republish it forever in annuals or specials of one sort or another. It's a decision any artist (author/photographer/painter/poet/whatever) may have to make - take a bigger up front payment and lose the right to sell again, or a smaller one with the possibility of making further resales down the line Shane > ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 09:41:37 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Zen andt the Art of Plastic Modeling Message-ID: <10d.d8e270a.299fc9a1@aol.com> In a message dated 16/2/02 4:08:45 am, janah@worldnet.att.net writes: << I can create PDF files.>> ditto--does someone need help?? happy to ... Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 09:43:15 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Luftstreitkraefte Message-ID: <102.10a81cdd.299fca03@aol.com> Volker writes: << I think it´s nice to see how these times have changed >> Boy-Howdy, YES. amen to that. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 16:00:27 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Imperial German Air Service Official Name or Abbrev?? Message-ID: <001b01c1b6fa$ab7475a0$33ac72d4@FRITZweb> It's an solution, but not without it pitfalls. In a strictly sense there was no *Imperial* Air Service. There was a Prussian, Bavarian, Württembergian , Saxon Air Service. And those were not *imperial* , but only Royal. And to avoid GRASUUHQOAC, ( German Royal Air Services united under the Headquarters of the Army Command) I would simply suggest GAS for German Air Service. As this would be used in connection with WWI, the 'I' is not necessary to distinguish it from further Luftwaffen. Y.H. ( Yours, Hans) P.S. Is there a special reason why our US companions are so fond of abbreviations? When (from time to time only, I promise!) I am reading articles on flying stovepipes, I understand only the half. The rest is full of AMRAAMs and stuff like that. ot,ot,ot,ot,ot,.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Impenna" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 5:37 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: Imperial German Air Service Official Name or Abbrev?? > Hi Hans, > Thanks for the explanation!! I guess i will have to make something up, I'm > toward IGAS for Imperial German Air Service... > > Regards, > John Impenna > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 10:13:04 -0500 From: "Michael Robinson" To: Subject: Hit a snag Message-ID: <01a101c1b6fc$6fb2fee0$e27bbfa8@default> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_019E_01C1B6D2.85B7FEE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Would anyone have any decent, clear images, either drawings or = photographs of the "Baby Coffin" Swarloze (sp?) machine gun package, = that was installed on the upper wings of many Austrian fighters? Also I = need details for the same for the flexible gun mounted on the scarf ring = in the Observers post. It is the two items I need to finish for my Lloyd = CV. I have the basic shapes, but I'm looking for details... latch = details, covers that are on the sides, what was wood and what was metal, = etc. Any help would be appreciated. My direct email is = mr1057@earthlink.net .=20 Mike R. ------=_NextPart_000_019E_01C1B6D2.85B7FEE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Would anyone have any decent, clear images, either drawings or = photographs=20 of the "Baby Coffin" Swarloze (sp?) machine gun package, that was = installed on=20 the upper wings of many Austrian fighters? Also I need details for the = same for=20 the flexible gun mounted on the scarf ring in the Observers post. It is=20 the two items I need to finish for my Lloyd CV. I have the basic = shapes,=20 but I'm looking for details... latch details, covers that are on the = sides, what=20 was wood and what was metal, etc. Any help would be appreciated. My = direct email=20 is mr1057@earthlink.net . =
 
Mike R.
------=_NextPart_000_019E_01C1B6D2.85B7FEE0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 10:22:42 -0500 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: Re: PKZ-2 Message-ID: <009901c1b6fd$c7737be0$ae913c44@macmb101.mi.comcast.net> Hi Pedro- I've finally received my mini-data file on the PKZ-2 if you don't have it and need info from it, let me know. Later Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 10:36:00 -0500 From: plesha3@comcast.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: posting Message-ID: <000901c1b6ff$a2ef6c00$ae913c44@macmb101.mi.comcast.net> Sorry about the previous post to Pedro, that was meant to be off-list. Later Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 10:34:48 EST From: PetersList@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Zen andt the Art of Plastic Modeling Message-ID: <15a.9060fb9.299fd618@aol.com> In a message dated 16/02/02 14:43:36 GMT Standard Time, KnnthS@aol.com writes: << does someone need help?? >> Possibly, but watch this space. I'm saving all these offers of help and co-operation to a zen file. I must be getting organised in my old age :} cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 10:47:29 -0500 From: "stefenk" To: "WWI Modeling List" Subject: Clarification, was, Seeking Albatros pic collection Message-ID: Good morning, again, List members-- Thanks to those who responded to my initial, obviously incompletely specificied, research inquiry. I do have the Mikesh/NASM title on the restoration of "Stropp." What I am looking for is a compendium of *period* photographs of lots of different Albs, along the lines of the Datafiles and Specials. I take it that Rimell & Co. have not published an Albatros collection along the lines of their "Fokker Anthologies"? Frustrated, Stefen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 10:24:45 -0600 From: "Thomas Solinski" To: Subject: The shop eats one again ot request Message-ID: <001901c1b706$727bfe60$9eb40c44@ok.cox.net> Excuse me for a short ot request. Working on a Bittner scale Mephisto Mira*e on a Heller IIIR and the crew has punched off the canopy to the vast waste lands of the shop. Any of you kind souls have a Heller or Revel canopy set for a M-III you can spare? Please contact me off list Thanks Tom S tskio4@home.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 11:39:10 -0500 From: "Michael Robinson" To: Subject: Hit a snag 2. Message-ID: <01de01c1b708$769ff3a0$e27bbfa8@default> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01DB_01C1B6DE.8CA36D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I goofed... it's a Type II VK Gun canister that I need the info on, not = the swarlzroze (sp again?). I believe the flex gun on the scarf ring is = a swarz.... again... anyone with more knowledge on this... feel free to = offer input.=20 Hopefully I have my MIME problems figured out too... sorry about that = last garbled mess that I sent. Mike R. ------=_NextPart_000_01DB_01C1B6DE.8CA36D00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I goofed... it's a Type II VK Gun canister that I need the info on, = not the=20 swarlzroze (sp again?). I believe the flex gun on the scarf ring is a = swarz....=20 again... anyone with more knowledge on this... feel free to offer input. =
 
Hopefully I have my MIME problems figured out too... sorry about = that last=20 garbled mess that I sent.
 
Mike R.
 
------=_NextPart_000_01DB_01C1B6DE.8CA36D00-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 12:36:23 -0500 From: "Dave Calhoun" To: "World War 1 modelers" Subject: Munson books fot trade Message-ID: <000701c1b710$769f5dc0$8ddb0944@ri.cox.net> Hi everyone, I have the 2 Munson books - Fighters 1914-1919 & Bombers 1914-1919. Both are full of color profiles. The Fighter book is a first edition, but is missing the dust jacket. The bombers is second print, but has dust jacket. There is a small tear at the top of the dust jacket. I would like to trade these books for some Windsock Datafiles. I need Fokker D.VII anthology #2, Bristol fighter special #1, Camel Squadrons, SE5 squadrons, and most Datafiles over #60 - let me know what you have. I would like to trade both books for 1 special & 1 Datafile, or 3 Datafiles or 3 windsock magazines, let me know what you think is fair if this is not reasonable. Please e-mail me at: calhoun146@home.com Thanks, Dave Calhoun ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 14:05:08 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Yellowed decals Message-ID: <006d01c1b71c$dd139560$0fe82341@tampabay.rr.com> Has anyone had any experience de-yellowing decals once they have been applied to a model? Will the sunlight trick work once they are applied and sealed? I had some success very gently scraping the yellowed area with a #11 blade, but it is very easy to damage the underlying paint not to mention the adjacent decal marking. sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:22:08 +0100 From: "Liefferinckx Frederic" To: Subject: thanks Message-ID: <00a701c1b71f$3dd01200$6eac043e@d6o1v9> A great thanks to Rita,Witold and Skippy an all the group for the nie11 instruction sheet . Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 14:26:50 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Lloyd C.II / C.III question Message-ID: <007d01c1b71f$e50a2100$0fe82341@tampabay.rr.com> I just aquired the Fornaplane kit of the Lloyd C.II. The "box art" shows it as 43.75. I looked in Die Flugzeuge der k.u.k. Luftfahrtruppe und Seeflieger 1914-1918 and found a fairly clear photo of 43.75. It is captioned as a C.III of Flik 21. The tables in the book that list all the serials show the 43 series as C.IIIs Photo shows partially cowled engine cyls. Kit has no shroud above the line of the fuselage top. The instruction sheet says the C.II had wood frame wings covered in ply. ??? I have trouble buying this due to weight considerations, besides photos show C.II wings much lighter in tone than the wood covered fuselage. Does anyone know the visual differences between the C.II and the C.III. I'm trying to figure if this is a C.III mislabeled as a C.II or if it is supposed to be a C.II that was illustrated with a C.III serial. sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 14:36:46 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: de Turenne's Bebe Message-ID: <008301c1b721$46a4e520$0fe82341@tampabay.rr.com> The FMP French book has a photo and a profile of this plane. Neither show any serials on the rudder, just BWR stripes. The BM kit has a serial, N 3290. Does anyone know if this plane had a serial or other data marked on the rudder. (The photo isn't all that clear). TIA sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 14:40:25 -0500 From: "Michael Robinson" To: Subject: Re: Lloyd C.II / C.III question Message-ID: <023f01c1b721$c93b6040$e27bbfa8@default> Hi Steve, Unfortunately I loaned my copy of Austro Hungarian Aircraft of WW1 out to a friend, so I have to work from memory, which could be dangerous. I will answer your question on the wood wing. I am nearly finished with a scratchbuilt Lloyd CV. I believe the wings are very similar in construction, and that is 7 span wise stringers around 6, possibly 7 ribs, and these were in fact sheeted in plywood, clear varnished and polished to a high luster,both upper and lower wings. The only fabric coverings were on the ailerons. The entire aircraft was pretty much covered in clear varnished plywood. It looked more like a fine piece of furniture than an airplane. I'm afraid I can't help you yet with the serial number question until I get my book back. If you want to get a copy for yourself, it's back in print from Flying Machine Press. It is expensive, over 100 USD, but it's a wealth of information. Hope this is of help to you. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Perry" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 2:27 PM Subject: [WWI] Lloyd C.II / C.III question I just aquired the Fornaplane kit of the Lloyd C.II. The "box art" shows it as 43.75. I looked in Die Flugzeuge der k.u.k. Luftfahrtruppe und Seeflieger 1914-1918 and found a fairly clear photo of 43.75. It is captioned as a C.III of Flik 21. The tables in the book that list all the serials show the 43 series as C.IIIs Photo shows partially cowled engine cyls. Kit has no shroud above the line of the fuselage top. The instruction sheet says the C.II had wood frame wings covered in ply. ??? I have trouble buying this due to weight considerations, besides photos show C.II wings much lighter in tone than the wood covered fuselage. Does anyone know the visual differences between the C.II and the C.III. I'm trying to figure if this is a C.III mislabeled as a C.II or if it is supposed to be a C.II that was illustrated with a C.III serial. sp ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4185 **********************