WWI Digest 4182 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Saint Harry Woodmans Bible.. by PetersList@aol.com 2) Zen andt the Art of Plastic Modeling by PetersList@aol.com 3) RE: Saint Harry Woodmans Bible.. by Crawford Neil 4) RE: Zen andt the Art of Plastic Modeling by "Diego Fernetti" 5) RE: Saint Harry Woodmans Bible.. by "Diego Fernetti" 6) Decals by tbittners@sprintmail.com 7) Science Museum in London - Photos - was Voisin type 3 LAS and Farman MF.11/ 1/48 Drawings by knuterha@eunet.no 8) Re: Decals by "Ross Moorhouse" 9) Re: Decals by tbittners@sprintmail.com 10) Re: Zen andt the Art of Plastic Modeling by tbittners@sprintmail.com 11) Re: Decals by "Michael Robinson" 12) Re: Science Museum in London - Photos - was Voisin type 3 LAS and Farm... by PetersList@aol.com 13) Re: Saint Harry Woodmans Bible.. by plesha3@comcast.net 14) Re: Decals by plesha3@comcast.net 15) RE: Zen andt the Art of Plastic Modeling by Balzer Mr Gregory P 16) Re: Science Museum in London - Photos - was Voisin typ by Crawford Neil 17) Re: Science Museum in London - Photos - was Voisin typ by "Michael Kendix" 18) Re: Science Museum in London - Photos - was Voisin typ by Crawford Neil 19) Re: Tissue covering by CoolSpadLuke@aol.com 20) Re: Message to Mike Muth - re: Wellman by "Muth and Zulick" 21) Part SPAD SA.2/4 p/e by tbittners@sprintmail.com 22) Re: Tissue covering by Crawford Neil 23) Re: Roland C11 Cockpit Images by "Muth and Zulick" 24) Re: Tissue covering by "Diego Fernetti" 25) Re: Roland C11 Cockpit Images by Moria 26) Re: Roland C11 Cockpit Images by Crawford Neil 27) Re: Tissue covering by a.r.martin@t-online.de (Rita) 28) Seeking Albatros pic collection by "stefenk" 29) Sopwith Sparrow by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 30) Sopwith Sparrow by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 31) RE: Seeking Albatros pic collection by "Robinson, Michael" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 07:49:52 EST From: PetersList@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Saint Harry Woodmans Bible.. Message-ID: <157.9032b0e.299e5df0@aol.com> In a message dated 15/02/02 12:44:50 GMT Standard Time, rossmoor@bigpond.net.au writes: << The SOBs. Are they in the U.K?? >> Yes, but the real "bummer" is not my lost copy, it is that we shall probably not see a reprint. "Scale Model Aircraft in Plastic Card" is a classic in the litriature of our hobby and should be in print. I have no doubt that every scratchbuilder on this list counts it as a major influence and any plastic modeler who has not yet read it should make the effort to do so. It will change your whole approach to the hobby. Seek it out, it can still be found and is not expensive once you track it down. It was suggested to me some time ago that a CD copy should be produced for circulation only to listees. I didn't go for it at the time because I was still confident that a reprint would be in the offing. Perhaps it's not such a bad idea after all. cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:09:42 EST From: PetersList@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Zen andt the Art of Plastic Modeling Message-ID: <97.2325a0ae.299e6296@aol.com> Okay guys, you got me all fired up. What's the feeling on an online version of St Harry's seminal work? I realize there are copywrite implications, but appart from that. How might it be best acheived? I have the web space and and the fastest two fingers and occasional thumb in the west. For the moment I can't find my remaining copy but I'm sure it will surface eventually. Any suggestions? Any pitfalls? cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:10:10 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Saint Harry Woodmans Bible.. Message-ID: I have no > doubt that every > scratchbuilder on this list counts it as a major influence > and any plastic > modeler who has not yet read it should make the effort to do > so. It will > change your whole approach to the hobby. Seek it out, it can > still be found > and is not expensive once you track it down. > Seconded, and I can tell you all a terrible story, when I bought it, I got 2 copies by mistake. I gave the second copy to a friend, he only builds Luftwaffe WWII, preferably Bf10thingies, and has never finished a scratchbuild. And I can't ask for it back, it was a birthday present. Horrifying isn't it! /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 10:18:24 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Zen andt the Art of Plastic Modeling Message-ID: <026f01c1b623$3fc3ed40$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> I'd be careful before posting this on the net. How about contacting Mr. Woodman first? IIRC I have his address in a WW1 issue. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 10:10 AM Subject: [WWI] Zen andt the Art of Plastic Modeling > > Okay guys, you got me all fired up. What's the feeling on an online version > of St Harry's seminal work? I realize there are copywrite implications, but > appart from that. How might it be best acheived? I have the web space and and > the fastest two fingers and occasional thumb in the west. For the moment I > can't find my remaining copy but I'm sure it will surface eventually. Any > suggestions? Any pitfalls? > > cheers > > Peter L > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 10:21:51 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Saint Harry Woodmans Bible.. Message-ID: <027701c1b623$bcb9fa60$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Neil wrote: > Seconded, and I can tell you all a terrible story, when I bought > it, I got 2 copies by mistake. I gave the second copy to a friend, > he only builds Luftwaffe WWII, preferably Bf10thingies, and has > never finished a scratchbuild. And I can't ask for it back, it > was a birthday present. Horrifying isn't it! Hmmmm I have scheduled some finger choppings in Europe next month... I guess I can check him out as well. You want it to look as an accident? D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:21:22 -0500 (EST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Decals Message-ID: <20020215132122.24835467CE@eclipse.qis.net> Looks like Mike Grant is at it again. He has just announced the A-H "sworl" as a decal in both 1/72nd and 1/48th. Cool! Here's the link: http://www.cadvision.com/mikegrant/MikeGrantDecals/Sworl.html Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:36:37 +0100 (CET) From: knuterha@eunet.no To: Subject: Science Museum in London - Photos - was Voisin type 3 LAS and Farman MF.11/ 1/48 Drawings Message-ID: <2567.193.214.111.226.1013780197.squirrel@webmail.kpnqwest.no> Hei, The great thing about the London Science Museum is that they have a lot of stuff that comes right out the history books. It is definitely one of the places to visit for aircraft enthusiasts. On the other hand, I have the impression that the main aircraft gallery has been left unchanged for a great number of years. What little light that is available in there is very uneven, and my digital camera with a small fixed flash was not able to light up major items. Museums like this is one of the reasons I have invested in a Nikon F.100 and SB-28 flash combination that I use with 400 ASA film if necessary. There is no way you can get good pictures with a pocket camera in there. I would like to visit both a flying day at Shuttleworth and at least one of the major European museums this year, both Le Bourget and the museum in Brussels is high up on my want list. Amsterdams Aviodome could be possible when I fly home with KLM, but I can not bring the "heavy" camera gear with me offshore. There is a luggage weight limit of 10-15kg for the helicopters and getting in and out of some countries with all your belongings can be a challenge. Eders Knut Erik Dave asked: > What did you think of the Science Museum ? I think they've got a great > collection, but the presentation leaves a lot to be desired. That dark > blue ceiling ! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 00:40:41 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Decals Message-ID: <006a01c1b626$5bfffc80$76492dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> Matt put this link up so that we would all look at the decal pics. They have this strange affect on me.. "Yes master, I will only build 1/72nd scale Nieuports that have extact wings." They are nice looking decals though. I could never paint that pattern. Cheers Ross making chock noises.. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 12:23 AM Subject: [WWI] Decals > Looks like Mike Grant is at it again. He has just announced the A-H "sworl" as a decal in both 1/72nd and 1/48th. Cool! Here's the link: > http://www.cadvision.com/mikegrant/MikeGrantDecals/Sworl.html > > > Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:42:53 -0500 (EST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Decals Message-ID: <20020215134253.65F5F467CE@eclipse.qis.net> On Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:39:21 -0500 (EST), Ross Moorhouse wrote: >Matt put this link up so that we would all look at the decal pics. They have >this strange affect on me.. > >"Yes master, I will only build 1/72nd scale Nieuports that have exact >wings." As I often type on this forum: Bwahahahahahaha! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:50:00 -0500 (EST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Zen andt the Art of Plastic Modeling Message-ID: <20020215135000.68777467CE@eclipse.qis.net> On Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:10:49 -0500 (EST), PetersList@aol.com wrote: >Okay guys, you got me all fired up. What's the feeling on an online version >of St Harry's seminal work? I realize there are copywrite implications, but >appart from that. How might it be best acheived? I have the web space and and >the fastest two fingers and occasional thumb in the west. For the moment I >can't find my remaining copy but I'm sure it will surface eventually. Any >suggestions? Any pitfalls? If you get the permissions, I think this is a great idea. Either CD or web-based, it doesn't matter. However, if it was CD based, then we could peruse the book when not connected. Just a thought. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:51:44 -0500 From: "Michael Robinson" To: Subject: Re: Decals Message-ID: <00c301c1b627$e8c3a440$f17cbfa8@default> I'm resisting the urge to cry uncontrollably here... I had spent literally a whole day scanning the sworl pattern out of my book on Austrian Hungarian WW1 Aircraft, and using Photo shop was able to make my own sheets, that I neatly stored away for a future use. Oh well...lol. Thanks to Mike Grant anyways for providing a service. Can there ever really be enough Austro-Hungarian Albatross's in the world? (gotta offset all them Neuports some how :-P... lol) Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 8:39 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: Decals Matt put this link up so that we would all look at the decal pics. They have this strange affect on me.. "Yes master, I will only build 1/72nd scale Nieuports that have extact wings." They are nice looking decals though. I could never paint that pattern. Cheers Ross making chock noises.. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 12:23 AM Subject: [WWI] Decals > Looks like Mike Grant is at it again. He has just announced the A-H "sworl" as a decal in both 1/72nd and 1/48th. Cool! Here's the link: > http://www.cadvision.com/mikegrant/MikeGrantDecals/Sworl.html > > > Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:54:33 EST From: PetersList@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Science Museum in London - Photos - was Voisin type 3 LAS and Farm... Message-ID: <57.6a2e0ca.299e6d19@aol.com> In a message dated 15/02/02 13:39:51 GMT Standard Time, knuterha@eunet.no writes: << The great thing about the London Science Museum is that they have a lot of stuff that comes right out the history books. It is definitely one of the places to visit for aircraft enthusiasts. On the other hand, I have the impression that the main aircraft gallery has been left unchanged for a great number of years. >> And we should all be thankful for that. The IWM Lambeth has been ruined IMO. The display area has been halved, a great number of exhibits have been spirited away and what remains has been sanitized. Apart from the Spitfire the only other major aircraft exhibits to retain any authenticity are, thankfully, the BE and the Camel (even this is incorrect for the specific aeroplane). But if the "Heritage Experience" brigade ever draw a bead on those two no doubt it will be the big tin of green paint for them as well. cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:57:09 -0500 From: plesha3@comcast.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Saint Harry Woodmans Bible.. Message-ID: <001701c1b628$a921db80$ae913c44@macmb101.mi.comcast.net> Hi Ross- Only his book that I know of. I got mine by posting on various sites for a year or so, and was finally contacted for a swap. HTH Later Tom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:57:42 -0500 From: plesha3@comcast.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Decals Message-ID: <001d01c1b628$bd22b500$ae913c44@macmb101.mi.comcast.net> Thanks Matt- Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 8:23 AM Subject: [WWI] Decals > Looks like Mike Grant is at it again. He has just announced the A-H "sworl" as a decal in both 1/72nd and 1/48th. Cool! Here's the link: > http://www.cadvision.com/mikegrant/MikeGrantDecals/Sworl.html > > > Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 09:00:06 -0500 From: Balzer Mr Gregory P To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Zen andt the Art of Plastic Modeling Message-ID: <47637867E285D5118FAE00B0D0D1C9760169D0CB@TECOM03E> To all, I have the solution to your problem. Contact me offlist and I think we can make this happen. Greg -----Original Message----- From: PetersList@aol.com [mailto:PetersList@aol.com] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 8:11 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Zen andt the Art of Plastic Modeling Okay guys, you got me all fired up. What's the feeling on an online version of St Harry's seminal work? I realize there are copywrite implications, but appart from that. How might it be best acheived? I have the web space and and the fastest two fingers and occasional thumb in the west. For the moment I can't find my remaining copy but I'm sure it will surface eventually. Any suggestions? Any pitfalls? cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:34:42 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Science Museum in London - Photos - was Voisin typ Message-ID: But if the "Heritage Experience" brigade ever > draw a bead on > those two no doubt it will be the big tin of green paint for > them as well. > > cheers > > Peter L > This is a disease that irritates me too. They have a museum up north of here ,about the viking rock paintings. You can look at the paintings for free outside, and the museum has got lots of prizes etc. for being so fantastic, my Dad went there, and told me the place was empty, just some murals on the wall, completely pointless. I admit I never went there after I heard that, so I'm speaking second-hand, but it does seem to be the fashionable thing to do with a museum, actual artifacts are regarded as boring, and the important thing is to get the kids activated. Maybe I'm just old, but I really like just looking at things in glass cases. Is there something wrong with me? /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:50:13 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Science Museum in London - Photos - was Voisin typ Message-ID: >From: Crawford Neil >Maybe I'm just old, but I really like just looking at things in glass > >cases. Is there something wrong with me? Neil: Yes, you're not dumb or ignorant enough. Trying to get this back on topic.... I would say that not all museums suffer from this problem. The best museum I have visited for WWI aeroplanes is RAF Hendon (of course there may be better places they haven't visited yet). The material is just "there". Some of the areas are a little dark, such as around the Vimy but that's because they've tried to stuff as much in as they can. The other area with the Caudron, Britol Fighter 2.B, Camel, Sopwith Triplane, Bristol M1C etc. is well lit and you can see everything except inside the cockpit. Furthermore, there's usually a docent/guide type of person who'll show you around. My gent was a WW2 veteran who'd flown in Lancasters - very understated and well-spoken man. Didn't pretend to be a fantastic expert and just told me what he knew. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 16:00:17 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Science Museum in London - Photos - was Voisin typ Message-ID: That's true the RAF museum is wonderful, possibly I think the planes look a little dead, something about the paintwork , maybe they're just too semi-matte, can't put a finger on it. I experienced the same kind of guide at the USAF museum in Dayton, he had flown Liberators, and described being attacked by german jets, (they just wizzed past). Fascinating. I really like the Brussels air-museum too. Oh and of course the one in the title, Science museum in London, WOW! /Neil C. > Furthermore, there's usually a docent/guide type of person > who'll show you > around. My gent was a WW2 veteran who'd flown in Lancasters - very > understated and well-spoken man. Didn't pretend to be a > fantastic expert > and just told me what he knew. > > Michael > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 10:03:46 EST From: CoolSpadLuke@aol.com To: Subject: Re: Tissue covering Message-ID: <151.8f44bcf.299e7d52@aol.com> Dumb me! How to put tissue on brass frame? Finally remembered I have a brass kit and pulled the AJP Maquettes Capronio kit off the shelf and read the instructions. Not much help as they are in French. I think the following is where they discuss tissue application: Enduire le papier sur toute sa surface avec une colle baton (style UHU, SCOTCH, etc....) "toute sa surface" is underlined. Decouper les debords de papier avec une lame tres affutee. Repeter l'ensemble des operations pour les autres surfaces a entoiler. Because of the list, I have invested in German, Italian, Polish and Spanish dictionaries. Looks like I'll have to add French. FWIW, Mike Kavanaugh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 10:06:16 -0500 From: "Muth and Zulick" To: Subject: Re: Message to Mike Muth - re: Wellman Message-ID: <001001c1b632$5106ba60$0100005a@ptd.net> Hmmm....I'm confused. (not an unusual state of mind for me) I did get your message on Wellman a few days ago. (Did you send some more info....hopefully?) The info about the earlier airplanes was helpful and I also got a suggestion to follow up with another list member. It seems like Rick also had some trouble. However, I am getting all of the list postings. I'll try sending an email from another office and see if I can get what you've been getting. Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Volker Haeusler" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday,February 14,2002 10:03 AM Subject: [WWI] Message to Mike Muth - re: Wellman > Sorry for using the list bandwith, but the message is actually quite OT: > > > Mike, I´ve now twice tried to answer your offlist mail re the Wellman > articles, but unfortunately my ISP keeps telling me: > > Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients: > > Recipient address: muzu@ptd.net > Reason: Server rejected MAIL FROM address. > Diagnostic code: smtp;553 sorry, mail from your location is not accepted > here (#5.7.1) > Remote system: dns;smtpin.ptd.net (smtpx.ha-net.ptd.net ESMTP) > > Not that I take that personally ("mail from your location is not accepted > here"), but there seems little chance to contact you... > > Any idea how you can change that? IIRC, there was a similar mail on the same > issue just yesterday. > > Volker > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 10:10:15 -0500 (EST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Part SPAD SA.2/4 p/e Message-ID: <20020215151015.6A434467CE@eclipse.qis.net> Just visiting Jadar's site, and they have the Part p/e set for the Amodel (and probably the other two as well) SPAD SA.2 on-line. Here's a direct link to the description: http://jadarhobby.waw.pl/e_portal/c_product_info.php?products_id=2086&PHPSESSID=075856e52a4916f444693d889e0ea352 I'm looking at the image now, and drooling. Man! I wish I would have had that when I started my kit. Well, looks like I'll have to get a few Part sets to see if they'll work in the other kits (as well as pick up an Amodel SPAD SA.4). Most awesome. I can't wait to see this p/e. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 16:08:09 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Tissue covering Message-ID: I think it say's "glue on to ALL THE SURFACES with a glue-stick, then cut off the excess paper with a sharp knife" plus some more junk that doesn't matter;-) /Neil C. (hoping for the best) > -----Original Message----- > From: CoolSpadLuke@aol.com [mailto:CoolSpadLuke@aol.com] > Sent: den 15 februari 2002 16:05 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: Tissue covering > > > Dumb me! How to put tissue on brass frame? Finally > remembered I have a brass kit and pulled the AJP Maquettes > Capronio kit off the shelf and read the instructions. Not > much help as they are in French. I think the following is > where they discuss tissue application: > > Enduire le papier sur toute sa surface avec une colle baton > (style UHU, SCOTCH, etc....) "toute sa surface" is underlined. > > Decouper les debords de papier avec une lame tres affutee. > Repeter l'ensemble des operations pour les autres surfaces a entoiler. > > Because of the list, I have invested in German, Italian, > Polish and Spanish dictionaries. Looks like I'll have to add French. > > FWIW, > Mike Kavanaugh > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 10:16:03 -0500 From: "Muth and Zulick" To: Subject: Re: Roland C11 Cockpit Images Message-ID: <003301c1b633$affa7a60$0100005a@ptd.net> Graham Nice work. The photos are especially nice....bright....show off all the work very well. Any reason you chose a brass color for the engine part? Looks cool. I usually go with a rust color on mine. I keep putting this model on my "next up" list, but it keeps getting pushed aside. Gotta do it! Mike Muth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moria" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday,February 14,2002 4:04 PM Subject: [WWI] Roland C11 Cockpit Images > > >Greetings all:) > > > As a newbie to the list, I have been watching certain threads with interest > before stepping in. > > Specifically the one re Images of a Roland C11 cockpit. > > I have included the url's to a couple of images of mine, which is currently > under construction from the Eduard Kit. > > Its not complete yet, but its as far as I have got ( time is just not > available:) ) > > I have seen superb work here on this forum from other members, so please > don't bite too hard on this first attempt:) > > This is my first ever 1/48th WW1 aircraft kit, before this I have been > doing Railway Modelling, so please, shout if I have anything wrong at this > stage before I seal it up so no-one can see it :) > > Hope they are of interest. > > http://www.wcml-model.co.uk/images/rol1.jpg > > http://www.wcml-model.co.uk/images/rol2.jpg > > > Graham Evans > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:21:42 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Tissue covering Message-ID: <02d701c1b634$794c9060$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Mike! (Or must I say Michel?) > Enduire le papier sur toute sa surface avec une colle baton (style UHU, SCOTCH, etc....) "toute sa surface" is underlined. > Decouper les debords de papier avec une lame tres affutee. Repeter l'ensemble des operations pour les autres surfaces a entoiler. Glue the paper over "the whole surface" (underlined) with a glue stick (style UHU, Scotch, etc.) Cut the excess paper (in fact it literally it says the edges) with a very sharp blade. Repeat the operations for the other surfaces to cover. Au revoir! D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:16:09 +0000 From: Moria To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Roland C11 Cockpit Images Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020215151027.009f5140@colony.co.uk> Greetings:) thanks for he comments.. as to the brass finish yes I do have a reason:) At the moment the engine is in "clean" condition, and a product I have used succesfully in Railway modelling is a rust producing product. Its a 2 part liquid product, put one on, then while still wet, add the other, it collects and pools to produce a very convincing rust finish, dark and rusty together in patches with a little metal showing through. I am going to try this on the engine parts, but it needs a gold/brass metallic finish to achieve the best colouration and density to "attack". Silver comes out to weak and transparent, gunmetal comes out to dark, metallic black comes out just black. I am hoping, as with the railway stuff that when this is done, the appropriate parts will be nicely gunged:) I will let the list know via photos how it works:) Graham At 10:14 15-02-02 -0500, you wrote: >Graham > Nice work. The photos are especially nice....bright....show off all the >work very well. Any reason you chose a brass color for the engine part? >Looks cool. I usually go with a rust color on mine. I keep putting this >model on my "next up" list, but it keeps getting pushed aside. Gotta do it! >Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 16:27:28 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Roland C11 Cockpit Images Message-ID: Trust a railway modeller to come up with some new (and neat) ideas. Very glad you've come over to the right side Graham, and welcome from Sweden. /Neil C. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 16:47:07 +0100 From: a.r.martin@t-online.de (Rita) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Tissue covering Message-ID: <16bkZn-040rGCC@fwd07.sul.t-online.com> Hi, the paper for covering is indeed japanese tissue or silk paper. I have used this by some AJP kits like the Caudron G3 (see the pics in my gallery chapter). Andreas ot811 schrieb: > Hi all, > I am considering the feasibility of making a 1:48 Morane-Saulnier Type L > fuselage frame and covering it with translucent paper (for the CDL effect). > What materials should I consider for the covering? > I recollect a thread a few months ago on this subject, but did not pay > attention to it. Sorry! I vaguely remember japanese tissue and silk! > regards > SSH > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 09:14:12 -0500 From: "stefenk" To: "WWI Modeling List" Subject: Seeking Albatros pic collection Message-ID: Good morning, Listee's Aside trom the Albatros Pub "Albatros Fighters Special," where can I find lots of published D.V/Va reproductions? That's it TIA & regards to all, Stefen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 03:50:12 +1100 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: WW1 posts Subject: Sopwith Sparrow Message-ID: <3C6D3C44.5D0772E9@tac.com.au> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------4E11F047E642B2D2EFA024A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Can anyone help Wendell out please. Regards, Shane --------------4E11F047E642B2D2EFA024A0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Delivered-To: sljenkins@tac.com.au Received: (qmail 1100 invoked by uid 904); 15 Feb 2002 15:36:21 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lialc.org) (63.99.209.19) by server.tac.com.au with SMTP; 15 Feb 2002 15:36:21 +0000 Received: from SMTP32-FWD by wwi-cookup.com (SMTP32) id A00000714; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 09:39:13 -0600 Received: from hotmail.com [209.185.241.120] by lialc.org with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.04) id ABA11CC9013E; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 09:39:13 -0600 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 07:36:16 -0800 Received: from 142.176.17.75 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:36:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [142.176.17.75] From: "wendell hughes" To: cookup@wwi-cookup.com Subject: Sopwith Sparrow Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:36:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2002 15:36:16.0929 (UTC) FILETIME=[820A5910:01C1B636] X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Hello I am trying to find drawings of the Sopwith Sparrow. I found a picture in Jack Bruce's book British Aeroplanes 1914-1918, its really cute like a Pup with a little biddy ABC engine. It was obviously from the Pup but I was not able to deduce any dimensions, it had vertical cabanes. It was supposed to be a remote control bomb, like a 1917 cruise missile, but according to Jack, it WAS flown by a person, so sould make a valid model project, with better rubber power performance than the Pup.. Regards, Wendell Hughes _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com --------------4E11F047E642B2D2EFA024A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 03:56:36 +1100 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: WW1 posts Subject: Sopwith Sparrow Message-ID: <3C6D3DC4.B3C996CF@tac.com.au> Hi all, Lets try that again without the mime crap ;-) Can anyone help Wendell out please. Regards, Shane >> From: "wendell hughes" Hello I am trying to find drawings of the Sopwith Sparrow. I found a picture in Jack Bruce's book British Aeroplanes 1914-1918, its really cute like a Pup with a little biddy ABC engine. It was obviously from the Pup but I was not able to deduce any dimensions, it had vertical cabanes. It was supposed to be a remote control bomb, like a 1917 cruise missile, but according to Jack, it WAS flown by a person, so sould make a valid model project, with better rubber power performance than the Pup.. Regards, Wendell Hughes << ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:04:18 -0500 From: "Robinson, Michael" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Seeking Albatros pic collection Message-ID: <7D1F97C0D1ACD21186C40008C7095A41020F1867@USA0812MS1> Stefan, The National Air and Space Museum in Washington DC restored a DVa, and wrote an account of the restoration and published it. I am trying to find a source for it as I am typing this. In the meantime, check out this link: http://www.nasm.edu/nasm/aero/aircraft/albatros.htm There is a brief history and a few jpg photo's at the bottom to whet your appetite. As soon as I can locate a source for the book I will post another note. Sincerely, Mike Robinson Xerox Field Engineering 1387 Fairport Rd. Bldng. 1000 Fairport, NY 14450 (716) 383-2836 Phone (800) 242-0717 Fax michael.robinson@mc.usa.xerox.com -----Original Message----- From: stefenk [mailto:stefenk@aaahawk.com] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 10:55 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Seeking Albatros pic collection Good morning, Listee's Aside trom the Albatros Pub "Albatros Fighters Special," where can I find lots of published D.V/Va reproductions? That's it TIA & regards to all, Stefen ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4182 **********************