WWI Digest 4178 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Dremels by John_Impenna@hyperion.com 2) Message to Mike Muth - re: Wellman by Volker Haeusler 3) Re: Off Topic Posting by "Lee M." 4) Re: Photos - was Voisin type 3 LAS and Farman MF.11/ 1/48 Drawings by tbittners@sprintmail.com 5) Re: Off Topic Posting by tbittners@sprintmail.com 6) Re: Off Topic Posting by Allan Wright 7) RE: Making formers in 1/72nd scale... by "Lee M." 8) In awe by "Michael Robinson" 9) Chaco War - OT or ot subjects... by "Brian Nicklas" 10) Re: Chaco War - OT or ot subjects... by Dave Fleming 11) New Images Posted by Allan Wright 12) Re: Dremels by "Harris, Mack" 13) Re: New Images Posted by tbittners@sprintmail.com 14) R: New Images Posted by a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it 15) Re: Off Topic Posting by "Lee M." 16) RE: Photos - was Voisin type 3 LAS and Farman MF.11/ 1/48 Drawings by "Diego Fernetti" 17) RE: Dremels by john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) 18) RE: New Images Posted by "Diego Fernetti" 19) Re: List Protocol RE: MOVIES by john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) 20) RE: Dremels by "Michael Robinson" 21) Re: In awe by "Michael Kendix" 22) RE: In awe by "Diego Fernetti" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:49:33 -0500 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Dremels Message-ID: Hi Folks, Those who have a regular Dremel and wish to vary the speed should consider getting a foot pedal type speed regulator...The proper electrical name escapes me at the moment. Maybe voltage regulator?? Same principle as a dimmer switch...You plug the Dremel into it and then plug the regulator into the wall. You then control the speed of the Dremel by how far you depress the pedal.I have used it for years In fact, my old, constant speed Dremel is plugged into it with a flex shaft attachment permanently mounted to my work bench. You can get down to very slow revs with this...They are usually available where Dremels are sold.... Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 17:21:29 +0800 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Message to Mike Muth - re: Wellman Message-ID: Sorry for using the list bandwith, but the message is actually quite OT: Mike, I´ve now twice tried to answer your offlist mail re the Wellman articles, but unfortunately my ISP keeps telling me: Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients: Recipient address: muzu@ptd.net Reason: Server rejected MAIL FROM address. Diagnostic code: smtp;553 sorry, mail from your location is not accepted here (#5.7.1) Remote system: dns;smtpin.ptd.net (smtpx.ha-net.ptd.net ESMTP) Not that I take that personally ("mail from your location is not accepted here"), but there seems little chance to contact you... Any idea how you can change that? IIRC, there was a similar mail on the same issue just yesterday. Volker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:06:31 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Off Topic Posting Message-ID: <3C6BD277.83721BE3@x25.net> Making mention with generalities will probably accomplish the mission. Directing comments directly to any one by name or inference will make people angry since most will be ready to take sides. A week or more of nonsense is enough and I waited for comments but none were forthcoming. Any one might get upset when it is apparent the message is directed staraight at them personally. Our Luxembourger friend had his computer almost knocked out by SPAM from The Orient and I can understand why he is more than a bit upset about it. There are things that can be done at the server level, but, unfortunately I do not know how. When it comes to modeling and discussing War Movies I would rather see that than a lot of the one liners that are sent in. Books and Movies can carry a million ideas. The one liners are all fluff... I think that complaining about one person is even worse. Telling someone to start their own list just might make them do it, and, that could fragment the entire list thereby destroying the whole thing. It might also be nice if less hatred, and, venom was obvious in some messages. Most folks are likable if you let it happen. Lee M. Allan Wright wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have received both support and admonishment for my recent intervention > of the movies thread, mostly support. The few people who were not happy with > the dicision to kill that thread weren't opposed to stopping the off-topic > postings in that case, but instead were dissapointed that I hadn't intervened > in other similar threads that have become all too common as of late: James > Bond, Mistress Lorna, etc. > > I would like everyone to know that I'm not using some system of > favoritism to determine which threads to kill. I try to let things take > their own natural course and let off-topic threads die their own quick > deaths (which they should). In some cases, like the movie thread, things > just go on a bit too long and I have to step in, usually when they no longer > have anything to do with WWI, let alone modeling. > > We're all friends here, and familiarity tends to let people relax and let > their hair down. Now I don't mind us bantering a bit about scale, and model > subjects, etc. even throwing in a friendly jab or joke but let's all pull > together and really try to focus on the mission of the list: WWI Modeling. > > This list generates well over 100 posts per day, and on a GOOD day half > of those are on-topic. I'd really prefer to see the 40+ unnecessary posts > start to go away if that is possible. Remember the time we all spend reading > the list is time we're not at our benches enjoying our hobby. > > I'm not planning on changing the way the list is run, although for the > near future I may have to take a slightly more draconian approach to off > topic threads, just to see if we can improve things. Your cooperation is > much appreciated. Anyone who has any ideas the would like me to consider > can send them to Matt (mbittner@wwi-models.org) and myself and we'll definately > take them into account. > > Thanks to everyone for making the list and website the best WWI modeling > resource in the world. Although I haven't met many of you I consider you all > my friends. > > Allan Wright - List administrator > > =============================================================================== > Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside > University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- > Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org > Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org > =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:12:13 -0500 (EST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Photos - was Voisin type 3 LAS and Farman MF.11/ 1/48 Drawings Message-ID: <20020214151213.E0FB846839@eclipse.qis.net> On Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:54:55 -0500 (EST), knuterha@eunet.no wrote: >Which aircraft are considered OT and of interest to the list members? I agree with Michael. Concentrate on the items that are not covered elsewhere, especially the Farman and pre-WW1 types. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:16:48 -0500 (EST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Off Topic Posting Message-ID: <20020214151648.1375346864@eclipse.qis.net> On Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:05:53 -0500 (EST), "Lee M." wrote: >When it comes to modeling and discussing War Movies I would rather see >that than a lot of the one liners that are sent in. Books and Movies >can carry a million ideas. The one liners are all fluff... My biggest complaint with this whole thing is with your "one liners". For most people, getting the accolades one deserves when one finishes a model actually "stokes the fire" for the next. So I don't mind seeing people giving warm words when one posts that one has finished a model. If we all remain silent - or worse, tell people to "cut it out" - then we're telling them we don't want to see their finished product. For me that's just the opposite. I truly enjoy seeing everyone's work on this list. Not only for the reason of seeing it finished, but also for the reason of providing the motivation for myself to finish one of mine. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:22:41 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Off Topic Posting Message-ID: <200202141522.KAA41275@mustang.sr.unh.edu> > My biggest complaint with this whole thing is with your "one liners". For most people, getting the accolades one deserves when one finishes a model actually "stokes the fire" for the next. So I don't mind seeing people giving warm words when one posts that one has finished a model. If we all remain silent - or worse, tell people to "cut it out" - then we're telling them we don't want to see their finished product. > > For me that's just the opposite. I truly enjoy seeing everyone's work on this list. Not only for the reason of seeing it finished, but also for the reason of providing the motivation for myself to finish one of mine. Matt makes a good point here. I could do without 'one liner' jokes and quips though. I think there's plenty of bandwith for us to support each other and compliment work that has been posted to the list. I feel that is as important as discussing techniques, markings, etc. In fact these comments often lead to good questions about techniques used in particular models. Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:37:46 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Making formers in 1/72nd scale... Message-ID: <3C6BD9CA.1E426C00@x25.net> Crawford and Ross, I have a Foredom Tool Speed Control made by Foredom Electronics company in Bethel, Connecticut. I got the Motor and control many years ago so it does last really well. About m35 years now. The motor is a Series GG and it has a four legged base to sit on the table. It is two headed and has the high speed, direct, motoer output on one end going to about 30,000 RPM. The other end has approximately a five to one reduction gear drive on it cutting RPM to about 5000. That way you have the power to work but not the high speed that burns up products. The speed control is not the usual wrapped wire coils with a sliding speed control but a "Carbon Pile" speed device. Slices of carbon are stacked under the control button and they have total resistance, No electricity passes) until pressure is applied to it. The greater the pressure on the control button the lower the resistance of the pile to the flow. So before the pressure is put on it there is no movement of the motor rotor. It can turn from almost nothing to what ever top speed you are set on. Now I must admit, I do not believe they still make that control but you can look around their site. They are located at foredom.com (on the web.) Their prices are high, (About $320 for one with a built in speed control.) but the stuff lasts almost forever. I have used up two Dremels and have the third on hand. But the Foredom just goes on and on. I believe it is 1/8th HP. They also come as 120 V or 240. Crawford Neil wrote: > > Good question! No and rather a sore point, my Dremel Multi ( think its called) > cost $90 and has only 6 speeds, I nearly always run on the slowest. > I asked this question on list last year, and Lance suggested a foot-control, > so I negotiated a foot-control for christmas (I negotiate ahead, I'm at > christmas 2005 now), and got a guarded approval. So off to our local purveyors > neither had one, and the one who seemed to know a little more than his own > name, said that it wouldn't lower the revs on the lowest setting. So I got > stuck and will use the money on kits and book as usual, > there is always christmas 2006! > /Neil C. > > > Hmmm... This hobby costs more and more every day. > > > > Never having owned a Dremel can you vary the speed right down > > so its real > > slow? > > > > Ross > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:36:06 -0500 From: "Michael Robinson" To: Subject: In awe Message-ID: <002d01c1b56d$52f47620$ad7bbfa8@default> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C1B543.6883F800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am fairly new here and just went into the Archives for Internet = Modeler. I am not only a kit basher, but I fancy myself a halfway decent = scratchbuilder as well, and enjoy looking at others work as much as I do = building, as I can appreciate the amount of time and effort that goes = into such a project. I just looked over Robert Karr's article on = scratchbuilding his Handley-Page 0/400. My hat is off to you sir on a = truly outstanding model. By my own admission I am blithely ignorant on = Allied WW1 aircraft (so relax Shane... I won't be building any 1/72 = Neuports any time soon... wrong scale anyways...lol :-=DE ) but to = these eyes Mr. Karr's 0/400 looks exactly right to me... and that is = what it's all about. It could be a scale 3 inches off for all I care. It = looks like an 0/400, and with all that wood, dope and tissue, probably = smells like one too, so it's an 0/400 to me. I just wanted to pass on my = kudos Mr. Karr. I look forward to seeing your next project. I currently = have on my bench a Lloyd CV that is nearing completion. If it comes even = halfway close to the standard you have set I'll be happy. Mike ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C1B543.6883F800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am fairly new here and just went into the Archives for Internet = Modeler.=20 I am not only a kit basher, but I fancy myself a halfway decent = scratchbuilder=20 as well, and enjoy looking at others work as much as I do building, as I = can=20 appreciate the amount of time and effort that goes into such a = project.  I=20 just looked over Robert Karr's article on scratchbuilding his = Handley-Page=20 0/400. My hat is off to you sir on a truly outstanding model. By my own=20 admission I am blithely ignorant on Allied WW1 aircraft (so relax = Shane... I=20 won't be building any 1/72 Neuports any time soon... wrong scale=20 anyways...lol  :-=DE ) but to these eyes Mr. Karr's 0/400 looks = exactly right=20 to me... and that is what it's all about. It could be a scale 3 inches = off for=20 all I care. It looks like an 0/400, and with all that wood, dope and = tissue,=20 probably smells like one too, so it's an 0/400 to me. I just wanted to = pass on=20 my kudos Mr. Karr. I look forward to seeing your next project. I = currently have=20 on my bench a Lloyd CV that is nearing completion. If it comes even = halfway=20 close to the standard you have set I'll be happy.
 
Mike
------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C1B543.6883F800-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:40:01 -0500 From: "Brian Nicklas" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Chaco War - OT or ot subjects... Message-ID: The Schiffer book on the Chaco War (Aircraft of the Chaco War 1928-1935) is co-authored by Dan Hagedorn, who has the office next to mine. I just grabbed his copy of the book (mine is at home) and If the Hanriot 32 is OT, then that might be the only one. Most of the other aircraft are 20s-30s types, Junkers F13 & W.34, Potez 25, Vickers Vespa, Fokker C Vb and the like. Def a great source for biplanes and early monoplanes in not-standard schemes for modelling, but no neat late Fokker D.VII as I would have hoped... Guess for a post-war D.VII I can always go with the Finnish "splinter" camouflage... Brian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:50:58 +0000 From: Dave Fleming To: Subject: Re: Chaco War - OT or ot subjects... Message-ID: <1013701858.3c6bdce2835c6@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Brian Nicklas : > The Schiffer book on the Chaco War (Aircraft of the Chaco War 1928-1935) > is > co-authored by Dan Hagedorn, who has the office next to mine. I just > grabbed his copy of the book (mine is at home) Nothing like going to the horse's mouth !! > and If the Hanriot 32 is > OT, > then that might be the only one. Most of the other aircraft are 20s-30s > types, Junkers F13 & W.34, Potez 25, Vickers Vespa, Fokker C Vb and the > like. The Blue Rider articles and web site mention a DH9 (Bolivia) & Ansaldo SVA5 (Paraguay) NO Fokker DVIIs unfortunately !! But timescale wise it is a bit ot, so goes offlist now.....whooooooosh !:-) Dave Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:51:59 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: wwi Subject: New Images Posted Message-ID: <200202141551.KAA42648@mustang.sr.unh.edu> Eric Gallaud sent in a couple Belgian models. Something for Matt to like, a pair of Nieuports! Enjoy, linked from the news page. Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:52:00 -0600 From: "Harris, Mack" To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Dremels Message-ID: Dremel has the speed controller with a foot pedal at: toolsforless.com They used to have a table top version too. Mack -----Original Message----- From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com [mailto:John_Impenna@hyperion.com] Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 8:52 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Re: Dremels Hi Folks, Those who have a regular Dremel and wish to vary the speed should consider getting a foot pedal type speed regulator...The proper electrical name escapes me at the moment. Maybe voltage regulator?? Same principle as a dimmer switch...You plug the Dremel into it and then plug the regulator into the wall. You then control the speed of the Dremel by how far you depress the pedal.I have used it for years In fact, my old, constant speed Dremel is plugged into it with a flex shaft attachment permanently mounted to my work bench. You can get down to very slow revs with this...They are usually available where Dremels are sold.... Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:02:47 -0500 (EST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: New Images Posted Message-ID: <20020214160247.772CD4682A@eclipse.qis.net> On Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:53:05 -0500 (EST), Allan Wright wrote: >Eric Gallaud sent in a couple Belgian models. Something for Matt to like, >a pair of Nieuports! SWEET! I look at these, as well as Alberto's and Michael's, and I realise you *can* make what looks like a Nieuport 11/16 out of the Toko/Eastern Express kits. Be that as it may, though, they're still not accurate enough *for me*. Just call me ANiME: Anal Nieuport Modeler Extrordinare. ;-) Okay, so that one was a bit cheesy... Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 16:49:40 +0100 From: a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it To: Subject: R: New Images Posted Message-ID: <43EB244779F3D411966E0060082C59E90F04F1@SERVER1> Nice models, well done, Eric ! Alberto Casirati -----Messaggio originale----- Da: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]Per conto di Allan Wright Inviato: giovedì 14 febbraio 2002 16.53 A: Multiple recipients of list Oggetto: [WWI] New Images Posted Eric Gallaud sent in a couple Belgian models. Something for Matt to like, a pair of Nieuports! Enjoy, linked from the news page. Al ============================================================================ === Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org ============================================================================ === --- [Questa mail e' stata controllata dai software antivirus e antispamming di Planet Service srl - www.planetservice.biz ] --- [Questa mail e' stata controllata dai software antivirus e antispamming di Planet Service srl - www.planetservice.biz ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:05:34 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Off Topic Posting Message-ID: <3C6BE04E.F5B2FC15@x25.net> How about "butt pinching" And "Dirty Undies". I doubt they made your day. Sure didn't improve models or modeling. Lee M. tbittners@sprintmail.com wrote: > > On Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:05:53 -0500 (EST), "Lee M." wrote: > > >When it comes to modeling and discussing War Movies I would rather see > >that than a lot of the one liners that are sent in. Books and Movies > >can carry a million ideas. The one liners are all fluff... > > My biggest complaint with this whole thing is with your "one liners". For most people, getting the accolades one deserves when one finishes a model actually "stokes the fire" for the next. So I don't mind seeing people giving warm words when one posts that one has finished a model. If we all remain silent - or worse, tell people to "cut it out" - then we're telling them we don't want to see their finished product. > > For me that's just the opposite. I truly enjoy seeing everyone's work on this list. Not only for the reason of seeing it finished, but also for the reason of providing the motivation for myself to finish one of mine. > > Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:08:40 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Photos - was Voisin type 3 LAS and Farman MF.11/ 1/48 Drawings Message-ID: <022801c1b571$de624a80$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Knut! > Which aircraft are considered OT and of interest to the list members? > NTM Deperdussin 1912 (with French cockardes) I'm interested on the undercarriage arrangement and the details of the cockpit > NTM Bleriot XI-2 Artillerie (Nordsjøen / Ca Flotte) I'm interested on the details at the base of the control "wheel" > NTM Hannover CLV Wow! All of it! > NTM Farman Longhorn Cockpits, attachment of the tail and front booms to the wing celulle, etc. > SML Fokker Eindecker What's behind the seat? Can the fuel tank be seen or there's a canvas bulkhead? > SML Vickers Vimy All of it! :-) > SML SE 5a The device to close or open the raditor shutters. > SML Loads of rotary and inline engines I like them all! There's always something new to watch. > I have also been thinking of burning some CDs with reference photos, > previously I have lent out 35mm negatives, but some of them are now missing. > (All negatives borrowed by list members have been returned in time) > Do you think someone would be interested in CDs with scans, > price would basically be CDs / postage and a little extra? I think that's wonderful. Count me in D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:09:43 -0600 From: john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Dremels Message-ID: >Thanks Neil E. , that just about sums it up. >Get the mini-dremel. >But for us stuck with mains-powered dremel, >is there any hope? Dremel has or used to have three accessories for their motor tools that would come into play here. The foot cottrol is a device that goes between the main power supply and and the motor tool. Speed is adjusted by foot pressure, which is adjusting the amount of power to the tool, which adjusts the speed. The next item is a box that goes between the power supply and the tool as well, but it has a rotary switch on it. You adjust the speed to the desired job and then continue on. You have to adjust the speed by hand, but you can get every thing from very slow (almost no turning at all) to full speed. The third is the flexible shaft. It has nothing to do with speed, but lets you keep the bulky motor tool body away from your work. The cutting tool or bit is attached to a large pencil type housing which has a flex shaft going to the tool. After a bit of getting used to it, it is a handy tool if you are doing much interior or working in constrained places. As far as the tools go, I have seen three basic motor tools. The first ones were constant speed tools. You had an on/off switch only. The use of the speed controls was required for variable speed. The next generation was the multi speed tools. These guys had a slightly larger body and had different speed settings. These came with a variable speed control or preset speed settings. The next addition to the line was the Mini Mite or battery powered tool. It is a little smaller, has a rechargeable battery and is pre set at 5000 and 10000 rpm speeds. Over teh years, I have used all three types, and have settled on the latter one now. This mostly for the conveyance factor. I am not connected to a wall outlet. I have a tool that turns at an acceptable speed for my needs. It does what I need it to do to my satisfaction. JP ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:13:44 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Cc: Subject: RE: New Images Posted Message-ID: <023001c1b572$93642e80$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Those are neat Nieuports! Once more, comparison between the two make clear that a green-painted Nieuport 11 looks dull, I'd always like CDL machines! Eric (are you subscribed?) This is an excellent and neat job. Tell me, how it was to work with the PART pe set? Can you see a lot of it once inside the airplane? Best regards D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Allan Wright > Eric Gallaud sent in a couple Belgian models. Something for Matt to like, > a pair of Nieuports! > > Enjoy, linked from the news page. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:16:37 -0600 From: john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: List Protocol RE: MOVIES Message-ID: >I rarely rise to comment on these ongoing gunfights conducted on the list. >To me it's rather simple. >Allen allows us a certain free-reign with the discussions, but on that rare >occassion when things really begin to spin well beyond OT topics (which they >will tend to do on occassion), Allen provides a timely reminder to get back >on subject. >There are several threads that I am not interested in, and I simply delete >them, as I do with the Chinese spam (I personally find them extremely >humorous)! If memory serves me correctly, there was a vote by the list members to stay the way we are, and not try to get too restrictive with the access to the list. The general concisions among list members was that the delete button was easier and less restrictive than having to go through all the password and special log on stuff with a controlled list. We felt that the controls to keep the minimum amount of spam off the list would detract from the usefulness of the list and its members and may even deprive us of some of our members and the information they have to share. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:20:08 -0500 From: "Michael Robinson" To: Subject: RE: Dremels Message-ID: <009d01c1b573$7987e460$ad7bbfa8@default> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01C1B549.8F622AE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In the "For What It's Worth " Department, it has been my experience that = the Foot Switch and the Rotary Speed Control will NOT work with the = variable speed Dremels. I tried plugging my Rotary Control up to my = Variable Speed unit and set it to the low speed on the tool, and then = turned my Speed Control "on". It just sat there fat dumb and happy. I = tried all speed settings on the tool, and same result. As soon as I = plugged my Single Speed tool in... it worked like a charm. I use my = Variable speed tool now for doing work where speed is not critical, and = use my Single Speed with the Flex shaft for doing the nit-picky work.=20 Mike ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Huggins=20 To: Multiple recipients of list=20 Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 11:11 AM Subject: [WWI] RE: Dremels >Thanks Neil E. , that just about sums it up. >Get the mini-dremel. >But for us stuck with mains-powered dremel, >is there any hope? Dremel has or used to have three accessories for their motor tools=20 that would come into play here. The foot cottrol is a device that goes between the main power supply=20 and and the motor tool. Speed is adjusted by foot pressure, which is=20 adjusting the amount of power to the tool, which adjusts the speed. The next item is a box that goes between the power supply and the=20 tool as well, but it has a rotary switch on it. You adjust the speed=20 to the desired job and then continue on. You have to adjust the speed=20 by hand, but you can get every thing from very slow (almost no=20 turning at all) to full speed. The third is the flexible shaft. It has nothing to do with speed, but=20 lets you keep the bulky motor tool body away from your work. The=20 cutting tool or bit is attached to a large pencil type housing which=20 has a flex shaft going to the tool. After a bit of getting used to=20 it, it is a handy tool if you are doing much interior or working in=20 constrained places. As far as the tools go, I have seen three basic motor tools. The=20 first ones were constant speed tools. You had an on/off switch only.=20 The use of the speed controls was required for variable speed. The next generation was the multi speed tools. These guys had a=20 slightly larger body and had different speed settings. These came=20 with a variable speed control or preset speed settings. The next addition to the line was the Mini Mite or battery powered=20 tool. It is a little smaller, has a rechargeable battery and is pre=20 set at 5000 and 10000 rpm speeds. Over teh years, I have used all=20 three types, and have settled on the latter one now. This mostly for=20 the conveyance factor. I am not connected to a wall outlet. I have=20 a tool that turns at an acceptable speed for my needs. It does what I=20 need it to do to my satisfaction. JP ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01C1B549.8F622AE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In the "For What It's Worth " Department, it has = been my=20 experience that the Foot Switch and the Rotary Speed Control will NOT = work with=20 the variable speed Dremels. I tried plugging my Rotary Control up = to my=20 Variable Speed unit and set it to the low speed on the tool, and then = turned my=20 Speed Control "on". It just sat there fat dumb and happy. I tried all = speed=20 settings on the tool, and same result.  As soon as I plugged my = Single=20 Speed tool in... it worked like a charm. I use my Variable speed tool = now for=20 doing work where speed is not critical, and use my Single Speed with the = Flex=20 shaft for doing the nit-picky work.
 
Mike
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 John=20 Huggins
Sent: Thursday, February 14, = 2002 11:11=20 AM
Subject: [WWI] RE: = Dremels

>Thanks Neil E. , that just about sums it = up.
>Get the=20 mini-dremel.
>But for us stuck with mains-powered = dremel,
>is=20 there any hope?
Dremel has or used to have three accessories for = their=20 motor tools
that would come into play here.
The foot cottrol is = a=20 device that goes between the main power supply
and and the motor=20 tool.  Speed is adjusted by foot pressure, which is
adjusting = the=20 amount of power to the tool, which adjusts the speed.

The next = item is=20 a box that goes between the power supply and the
tool as well, but = it has=20 a rotary switch on it.  You adjust the speed
to the desired = job and=20 then continue on. You have to adjust the speed
by hand, but you = can get=20 every thing from very slow (almost no
turning at all) to full=20 speed.

The third is the flexible shaft. It has nothing to do = with=20 speed, but
lets you keep the bulky motor tool body  away from = your=20 work.  The
cutting tool or bit is attached to a large pencil = type=20 housing which
has a flex shaft going to the tool.  After a = bit of=20 getting used to
it, it is a handy tool if you are doing much = interior or=20 working in
constrained places.

As far as the tools go, I = have seen=20 three basic motor tools.  The
first ones were constant speed=20 tools.  You had an on/off switch only.
The use of the speed = controls=20 was required for variable speed.

The next generation was the = multi=20 speed tools.  These guys had a
slightly larger body and had = different=20 speed settings.  These came
with a variable speed control or = preset=20 speed settings.

The next addition to the line was the Mini Mite = or=20 battery powered
tool.  It is a little smaller, has a = rechargeable=20 battery and is pre
set at 5000 and 10000 rpm speeds.  Over = teh years,=20 I have used all
three types, and have settled on the latter one = now. =20 This mostly for
the conveyance factor.  I am not connected to = a wall=20 outlet.  I have
a tool that turns at an acceptable speed for = my=20 needs. It does what I
need it to do to my=20 satisfaction.

JP ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01C1B549.8F622AE0-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 16:20:44 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: In awe Message-ID: >From: "Michael Robinson" >I just looked over Robert Karr's article on scratchbuilding his >Handley-Page 0/400. My hat is off to you sir on a = >truly outstanding model. Michael: I am not a scratchbuilding person, nor do I want to be at the moment but I must confess that it was Robert Karr's 0/400 that drew me into so-called "serious" modelling mode. By that I mean, when I looked at those pictures I was made aware of what is possible and that I would really like to try and do some of those things myself. It was, as they say, an epiphany. Mchael _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:21:43 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: In awe Message-ID: <026801c1b573$b0f81780$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Michael, in awe: > I just looked over Robert Karr's article on = > scratchbuilding his Handley-Page 0/400. Ain't he a master? Follow the links elsewhere in the WW1 modelling site and check his scratchbuilt Gotha at his own website. He's my favourite scratchbuilder/artist on the list! And he never mentioned using a G-string! D. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4178 **********************