WWI Digest 4171 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) HB-B.I by "Michael Kendix" 2) Re: HB-B.I by "Thomas Solinski" 3) RE: HB-B.I by Shane Weier 4) All Quiet on the Western Front by Todd Hayes 5) re: WW1 Movies by Todd Hayes 6) Re: R: Re: Nieuport Carburator Intakes by "mdf@mars.ark.com" 7) Re: HB-B.I by "Thomas Solinski" 8) Re: WWI movies by Rory Goodwin 9) Re: HB-B.I by "Lee M." 10) WW1 Movies/Undies by "Neil Eddy" 11) Re: WW1 Movies/Undies by "Ross Moorhouse" 12) R: Decal help by a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it 13) ETHNIC SHOES FROM AFRICA- Maasai design and international standards finishing by posta@maasailand.com 14) Re: WWI movies by "Diego Fernetti" 15) Re: Eduard Schnieder Photos by "Diego Fernetti" 16) Re: Talking about insides... by "Diego Fernetti" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 03:36:06 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: HB-B.I Message-ID: I'm building the Hansa Brandenburg B.I, which is a trainer. I have some questions pertaining to trainers. 1. Who sits in the front - the person being trained? 2. If the person at back is the trainer, what controls does he have - control stick, foot rudder. 3. Would there be an instrument panel in the back for the trainer/trainee? My apologies for the naive questions. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:39:13 -0600 From: "Thomas Solinski" To: Subject: Re: HB-B.I Message-ID: <000801c1b440$0192f780$9eb40c44@ok.cox.net> > 1. Who sits in the front - the person being trained? First one on the scene of the crash > > 2. If the person at back is the trainer, what controls does he have - > control stick, foot rudder. Foot, Boot, swagger stick, field pistol. > > 3. Would there be an instrument panel in the back for the trainer/trainee? Not if he's sitting up front. And it'd have to be a he women are too smart to try this. > My apologies for the naive questions. My appologies for the Smart A**, just being ornery Tom S, back to two more hours of ISO 9000 homework t ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:51:14 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: HB-B.I Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDBD3@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Michael, > I'm building the Hansa Brandenburg B.I, which is a trainer. > I have some > questions pertaining to trainers. > > 1. Who sits in the front - the person being trained? It depends on which trainer. > > 2. If the person at back is the trainer, what controls does he have - > control stick, foot rudder. > It depends on which trainer. > 3. Would there be an instrument panel in the back for the > trainer/trainee? It depends on which trainer > > My apologies for the naive questions. > That's okay. My apology for the unhelpful answers. Unfortunately I have no idea as far as the HB goes, and the rest.... Depend on which trainer Shane > ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. 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Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:23:29 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re: WW1 Movies Message-ID: <20020213042329.20150.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> Least we forget, there is also the highly, immensely accurate 'Von Richthofen and Brown' from 1970. Not! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 23:31:18 -0500 From: "mdf@mars.ark.com" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: R: Re: Nieuport Carburator Intakes Message-ID: <3C69EC16.3D80C4E1@mars.ark.com> Got me - I didn't realize it is backwards. The gun mounting on the 27 is off centre like on the 23, but I can find no difference from the 17 and the 23 so it can't be related to that. The high side is on the same side as the ammunition take-off reel and the throttle and mixture levers so one of them may be involved. Mike F. a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it wrote: > > If so, why the position of the port intake pipe was raised in the Ni 27 ? > > TIA ! > > Alberto Casirati > > -----Messaggio originale----- > Da: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]Per conto di > mdf@mars.ark.com > Inviato: marted 12 febbraio 2002 1.28 > A: Multiple recipients of list > Oggetto: [WWI] Re: Nieuport Carburator Intakes > > I suspect it may have to do with the corkscrew form the propwash takes, > allowing both to be as low as possible (so there's space for the fuel > tank) without having problems reingesting the burnt castor oil being > flung off the engine. > > Mike F. > > robert owens wrote: > > > > Just checked N.11 footage (engine start with port fuselage side open) from > > "Four Years of Thunder," and the port intake practically rests on the > > diagonal metal brace which is mount for throttle, etc. Could providing > > clearance be the reason port side is higher? There's no footage of right > > side to compare, unfortunately. Rob > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 22:39:47 -0600 From: "Thomas Solinski" To: Subject: Re: HB-B.I Message-ID: <000e01c1b448$7756b260$9eb40c44@ok.cox.net> Gray and Thetdford on page 302 show the Brandenburg FD(BI) with an individual in the rear most seat and one on the wing.I'd presume if this were a solo flight, the student is in the back with a full set of controls. On the other hand the D type was "an orthodox two seater with the pilot in the back. So fair to guess Brandenburg put full controls in both places HTH Tom S ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Kendix" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 9:36 PM Subject: [WWI] HB-B.I > I'm building the Hansa Brandenburg B.I, which is a trainer. I have some > questions pertaining to trainers. > > 1. Who sits in the front - the person being trained? > > 2. If the person at back is the trainer, what controls does he have - > control stick, foot rudder. > > 3. Would there be an instrument panel in the back for the trainer/trainee? > > My apologies for the naive questions. > > Michael > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:42:19 -0800 From: Rory Goodwin To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: WWI movies Message-ID: <3C69FCBA.6D3359AC@earthlink.net> My choice is arguably the best period OT film made - the somewhat obscure Ace of Aces (1933), produced by Merian C. Cooper, former USAS DH4 pilot, POW, founding member of the Kosciuszko (7th) Squadron during the Polish-Soviet War of 1919-1920, producer of King Kong, etc... Dramatic licence taken with technical aspects, but unlike most of the other naively romantic American WWI aviation films of the '20s and '30s. Also, there may be a real Nie. 28 in it. I may still have it on tape somewhere... ibs4421 wrote: > Peter, > I am a big fan of "Westfront 1918" by G. W. Pabst. IIRC it was > filmed right about the same time "All Quiet on the Western Front" was in the > USA. Lots of original German uniforms, weapons, field equipment, etc. > Decent story line for the period, much better than AQOTWF IMHO. Sound is > terrible, but that is what you get from that time period when talkies were > in their infancy. A good shot of a Schneider tank at the end during the big > French assault. > I am not sure about the provenance of my copy, it is heavily edited. > However, that may be all of the film that is left since so much was > destroyed in Germany during War of the Second Generation. > > Warren > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Ecos" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 3:15 PM > Subject: [WWI] WWI movies > > > This is probably an old topic, so excuse the redundancy. > > > > In your opinion what are good WWI movies? A few days ago I watched The > Blue > > Max which started my mania (can't call it interest anymore) on WWI > aviation. > > Are there others? I have ordered the All is Quiet on the Western Front. > > Not about planes but still. > > > > I found this one on the red baron, but not sure about quality: > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/offering-page/ref=sdp_new_v/102-8008570-29 > 52954?index=fixed-price&field-offering-type=new&field-asin=6301284046&field- > status=open&size=25&rank=+price > > > > Any documentaries? Thanks in advance. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 23:42:32 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: HB-B.I Message-ID: <3C69FCC8.BEFB0F7C@x25.net> Most early aircraft were designed to be flown from the rear seat if the pane was carrying only one person. Even Piper Cubs in the 40s and 50s were flown that way. It was to maintain a center of Gravity that was best for flying. The second person was located, forward, on the center of gravity and did not affect the balance adversely to any great degree... Almost all training aircraft had full instrumentation in the rear cockpit. ONLY. That is just the way it was. Look at the photo of the JN-4D in the list Photo Archives. Roger is flying from the rear seat. Not because he liked it. It is essential to the balancing of the plane. Most WWI planes were similar in attributes. Engine and fuel up front . Pilot toward the rear equals balance... A suitable center of gravity. The plane flies... Students and Observers usually rode up front. (As mentioned they were on the center of gravity.) They had almost no instruments on the panel. They got to the instruments, later, after they could make it fly straight by the seat of their pants, and, a then few other basic manuevers. Like landing... There are full controls in both Cockpits. Can not do much trainig with only one set of controls. That is how the student learned to fly... I am not sure any other method would work. He has to be able to control the thing while learning. Also remember some student got a whole five to eight hours of flight training before they went overseas. It didn't take long in those days. I do not know when they invented the Gosport tube but it could have been used in Jennies. I suppose they had a pre-planned, manual, message control system so each would know what was going on., I do this, you do that and away we go. My uncle taught me by tapping me on the head with a piece of broom handle. That's what makes me the way I am today. To many hard knocks. He may have thought I was sleeping. Hope you like the Jenny it is one of my best shots. That is "The Photo". It was not corrected in any way. Lee M. Thomas Solinski wrote: > > Gray and Thetdford on page 302 show the Brandenburg FD(BI) with an > individual in the rear most seat and one on the wing.I'd presume if this > were a solo flight, the student is in the back with a full set of controls. > On the other hand the D type was "an orthodox two seater with the pilot in > the back. So fair to guess Brandenburg put full controls in both places > > HTH > > Tom S > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Kendix" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 9:36 PM > Subject: [WWI] HB-B.I > > > I'm building the Hansa Brandenburg B.I, which is a trainer. I have some > > questions pertaining to trainers. > > > > 1. Who sits in the front - the person being trained? > > > > 2. If the person at back is the trainer, what controls does he have - > > control stick, foot rudder. > > > > 3. Would there be an instrument panel in the back for the trainer/trainee? > > > > My apologies for the naive questions. > > > > Michael > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 18:12:15 +1100 From: "Neil Eddy" To: Subject: WW1 Movies/Undies Message-ID: <002501c1b45d$c49a76a0$e32832d2@mannock> Hi All; I've been following this thread from Lurk due to being on training earlier today. I have WF1918, AQOTWF, Wings, Dawn Patrol, Blue Max, Paths of Glory, The Light Horsemen, and a couple of more forgettable titles. Of these my favorite is Paths of Glory. I think Kubrick captures the French experience in 1917 very well from several levels. WF 1918 is also a favourite. For Australian films, The Light Horsemen isn't bad, if a bit clichéd. I've just finished reading the Hornet/Goshawk Squadron trilogy and am wondering why this hasn't been filmed (perhaps the cost?). It would make a great film.... Another book crying out for the big screen is John Harris' "Covenant With Death". A really good novel about the first day of the Somme. Also have "Four Years of Thunder" - I agree with other Listees, its well worth getting. PS: Ross is our Queensland Undie Man wearing Bombay Bloomers or a G-String? - Either image may not be pleasant. :-) All the Best Neil E ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 18:20:55 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: WW1 Movies/Undies Message-ID: <001b01c1b45e$f9c13980$76492dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> Neil, For our OT Gathering next month Shane from Q is wearing his G-String. That way Misstress-L will be distracted so you dont have to wear your leather shorts.. ;-) Cheers Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Eddy" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 6:14 PM Subject: [WWI] WW1 Movies/Undies > Hi All; > > I've been following this thread from Lurk due to being on training earlier > today. > > I have WF1918, AQOTWF, Wings, Dawn Patrol, Blue Max, Paths of Glory, The > Light Horsemen, and a couple of more forgettable titles. Of these my > favorite is Paths of Glory. I think Kubrick captures the French experience > in 1917 very well from several levels. WF 1918 is also a favourite. For > Australian films, The Light Horsemen isn't bad, if a bit clichéd. > > I've just finished reading the Hornet/Goshawk Squadron trilogy and am > wondering why this hasn't been filmed (perhaps the cost?). It would make a > great film.... Another book crying out for the big screen is John Harris' > "Covenant With Death". A really good novel about the first day of the Somme. > > Also have "Four Years of Thunder" - I agree with other Listees, its well > worth getting. > > PS: Ross is our Queensland Undie Man wearing Bombay Bloomers or a > G-String? - Either image may not be pleasant. :-) > > All the Best > > Neil E > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:30:58 +0100 From: a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it To: Subject: R: Decal help Message-ID: <43EB244779F3D411966E0060082C59E90F04D1@SERVER1> Dear Steven, are those the ones with dark colours ? I cannot remember now whether the sheet I have carried rib tapes, but I recall to have a sheet full of rib tapes, also by A/G, and would be glad to send this one, too, to you free of any charge. If this is what you are looking for, please reply off-list adding your snail mail address. 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I'm sure that you'll have a good time here. About movies... "The Great Waldo Pepper": Great aerial footage, and a lot of OT planes. Best scene? Susan Sarandon falling from a wing. "Paths of Glory" Already commented "All quiet ..." Already commented, just another advice: avoid the newer version with Ernest Borgnine. It sucks! "Galipolli": I wonder why no one mentioned this one. I liked it. "Dawn Patrol" I liked the one with the young David Niven. "Capitaine Conan" A french movie wich I can't say if it was released in USA cinemas. It's about a little known episode happening after 11/11/18. A french captain refused to end the war! "Lawrence of Arabia" Needs any comment? About documentaries, I still have to watch "four years..." but I saw a movie once that was a good synapsis of the war. It's called "The Guns of August" and it's based on a Pulitzer Prize book. D. from Argentina ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 07:28:38 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Eduard Schnieder Photos Message-ID: <00e101c1b479$3372f960$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Ditto on the Schenider model Cam: a neat job! I like the way it look this way better than if you would have painted it all PC10. Ross: What? Resin Floats? My kit came with plain plastic float pieces... ----- Original Message ----- From: Ross Moorhouse To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 10:39 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Eduard Schnieder Photos > Nice build on the Schnieder there Cam. Did you use the resinn floats that > come with the kit or did you carve them from wood ?? > > Cheers > > Ross > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "cameron rile" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 12:35 PM > Subject: [WWI] Eduard Schnieder Photos > > > > Have been crook the last day and half so got to > > spend some totally selfish time on myself > > (woohoo). The product of it was I finished the > > Eduard Schnieder. The photos are at; > > > > http://www.australianflyingcorps.org/user/cam/ > > > > Some other things that may be of interest, the > > Bull Creek museum and Nowra Albatros Museum > > both have photos of a 1 Sqn Biff, B1148 which > > Henry Blake flew almost to exclusion. One photo > > has the aircraft totally white the other > > photograph it is totally PC10. No dates > > unfortunately. > > > > > > > > cam > > www.australianflyingcorps.org > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 07:38:47 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Talking about insides... Message-ID: <011d01c1b47a$9e2020c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Shane wrote: > > There always has to be someone that has to do things so > > differently. I bet > > you wear your undies over your jeans too. ;-) > Only when I'm wearing my cape. It's so naff otherwise. So, there's the mistery of the Bunyip revealed! D. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4171 **********************