WWI Digest 4159 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Esci Nieuport 17 top wing and Data File plans.. by "Ross Moorhouse" 2) Re Omega Farman F30 by Paul Thompson 3) Re: Bad Karma Albatros by "Hans Trauner" 4) Re: Esci Nieuport 17 top wing and Data File plans.. by Rory Goodwin 5) RE: Cylinders and fins by Rory Goodwin 6) Re: Bad Karma Albatros by "Michael and Sharon Alvarado, NSWCC" 7) Re: Bad Karma Albatros by "Michael and Sharon Alvarado, NSWCC" 8) Re: Esci Nieuport 17 top wing and Data File plans.. by "Michael Kendix" 9) Re: Esci Nieuport 17 top wing and Data File plans.. by PetersList@aol.com 10) Re: Re Omega Farman F30 by PetersList@aol.com 11) Re: Bad Karma Albatros by "Tom Plesha" 12) Re: I just fixed the damn wings..... by CoolSpadLuke@aol.com 13) RVHP Models by Todd Hayes 14) Re: Esci Nieuport 17 top wing and Data File plans.. by "Matt Bittner" 15) Re: Esci Nieuport 17 top wing and Data File plans.. by CoolSpadLuke@aol.com 16) starightening brass struts by "Michael Kendix" 17) Re: Re Omega Farman F30 by "Michael Kendix" 18) Re: Esci Nieuport 17 top wing and Data File plans.. by "Ross Moorhouse" 19) Your comments on this book by "Peter Ecos" 20) Re: Esci Nieuport 17 top wing and Data File plans.. by "Ross Moorhouse" 21) Re: Esci Nieuport 17 top wing and Data File plans.. by "Ross Moorhouse" 22) Re: Esci Nieuport 17 top wing and Data File plans.. by "Ross Moorhouse" 23) Re: Your comments on this book by Dave Townsend 24) Re: Models in Baskets by "robert owens" 25) Re: Models in Baskets by "Ross Moorhouse" 26) Re: Updates by KarrArt@aol.com 27) RE: Cylinders and fins by KarrArt@aol.com 28) Re: My comments on this book by Rory Goodwin 29) Re: OT 144th scale stuff by David Fleming ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 08:13:19 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Esci Nieuport 17 top wing and Data File plans.. Message-ID: <003e01c1b1ae$99739800$76492dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> Last night I put the wings of the ESCI Nieuport 17 against the Data File plans. The bottom wing is ok, BUT the top wing dosnt match. Its too short according to the plans. I then dug up the 1981 issue of Scale Models that has plans for the 17 and its the same result as the Data File. I mean this wing is real short. By a rib. So what to do? Toss and turn at night not being able to sleep because I know its wrong? Or maybe build a new wing? What would you do if this was you? ;-) Cheers Ross ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:24:01 +0100 From: Paul Thompson To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re Omega Farman F30 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020210220736.009ffc10@pop.xs4all.nl> Michael Kendix asked- Did you replace all the resin struts etc? And the answer is, yes. I wouldn't trust them with the length of the uper wing. The booms were too thick as you'd expect, so I used them as a pattern for plastic replacements (which another time I'd replace with brass tube or rod since forstrength I erred on the side of caution and they're still too thick). The nacelle is a bit of a puzzle since almost all the photos and plans I've seen captioned F30 have different configurations for the top decking (2 hole, single bathtub, raised front coaming and on and on). In the end I went with what the kit gave, but for anyone else I'd say razor the top off and dremel the tub anyway (since it's molded in one piece with 2 holes for the unlucky crew to sit in), then chooses what to put back with plastic card. Same confusion goes for the top wing, where the center has a crescent out of the trailing edge or sometimes a more elaborate cut-back. Oh, and some aircraft had horns both side of the ailerons - couldn't figure the control run from the nacelle - while others had the control line to a pully on the lower wing, then up, and over one horn, then linked by a balance cable over the front of the top wing leading edge and then the other aileron, a bit like on an Avro 504. I did the latter. I WILL get around to piccies soon since there's a few interested parties, but I have to say that it ain't one of my better efforts (no reflection on the kit), although it does look like some sort of Farman . From a distance. Sorry for the length of this post. Cheers (it's Guiness time here in Holland) Paul T. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 22:30:03 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Bad Karma Albatros Message-ID: <002a01c1b1b0$f00367c0$40aa72d4@FRITZweb> > > Keep up the spirit. You're NOT alone. Aaah. Makes me feel better. And, Peter L, I *have* to make pics for a review. I am anxious now. My digicam will explode. The magazine will publish it in it's very last issue. The truck delivering the magazines will ram a train( driven by Gaston) , pulling petrol tank cars and.... H. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 13:42:38 -0800 From: Rory Goodwin To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Esci Nieuport 17 top wing and Data File plans.. Message-ID: <3C6597CE.B09B4486@earthlink.net> Ross, I have an old Revell Nie.17 wing in my scrap box. It had the ailerons reshaped and was painted gloss gray and assembled as part of God-knows-what by some unkown fiend (still has broken-off struts), but you are ceratinly welcome to it. HTH but probably not. Ross Moorhouse wrote: > Last night I put the wings of the ESCI Nieuport 17 against the Data File > plans. The bottom wing is ok, BUT the top wing dosnt match. Its too short > according to the plans. I then dug up the 1981 issue of Scale Models that > has plans for the 17 and its the same result as the Data File. I mean this > wing is real short. By a rib. > > So what to do? Toss and turn at night not being able to sleep because I know > its wrong? Or maybe build a new wing? What would you do if this was you? > > ;-) > > Cheers > > Ross ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 13:48:58 -0800 From: Rory Goodwin To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Cylinders and fins Message-ID: <3C65994A.21982B21@earthlink.net> I've been giving this a go and it's proving exceptionally difficult. On my third try and I'm about to give up and order a mess 'o Aeroclub bits. KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > > Yep- winding thin wire around a core. This is how I scratchbuild rotaries > (and radials for that matter....). The only thing to watch out for is the > spiral appearance making the cylinder look like a tightly threaded screw. > Since the rear of the engine is often in the dark or obscured....or at least > not as visible as the front, try to get the front windings perpendicular to > the cylinder center line. Hide the wire ends and you've got a nice little bit. > Oh yeah- if you're doing an airplane that has the engine hanging out and > exposed, it does get a little tricky to hide the wound nature of the "fins" > RK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 17:09:32 -0500 From: "Michael and Sharon Alvarado, NSWCC" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Bad Karma Albatros Message-ID: <3C659E1C.19D9CB5@verizon.net> Hans, Do not despair. Been there, done that. Often with not so fortunate results. Alvie Hans Trauner wrote: > Listees, > my bad Karma Albatros has taken his toll again. After finger-printing, > too-large-decals, not-oversprayed-leading-edges, > odd-problems-during-spray-job and CA-cracking-white-spirit-washing I had the > 'marriage' the night before. This means the upper wing was clued on struts > etc. The thing was complete, sans rigging. Ha! I was proud. Now, after over > 24 hours drying time I started to rig it. I wrapped the fuselage with > kitchen dowel to avoid any finger-printing-adventure. For a short moment I > hold it on the top wing through this process. > > Yes, you guess it. > > Luckily the struts remains unbroken. The undercarriage lost the axle, but it > can be repaired. Prop and guns came loose, but can be fixed again. Some > small paint jobs will be necessary, but nothing real serious. But, really, > when the fuselage/ lowerwing unit fell away from my fingers and banged on > the desk, I was nearly to weep. > > I love my hobby. It's so relaxing! > > Hans ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 17:14:30 -0500 From: "Michael and Sharon Alvarado, NSWCC" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Bad Karma Albatros Message-ID: <3C659F46.5EFCC208@verizon.net> Building models was really fun as a kid. A few years ago I went back to my boyhood home. There in the alleyway behind the house where my models met their fate I could still find the odd shard of plastic or hardened molten blob. What was amazing was that I was able to recognize and identify each bit. What wonderful memories that brought back. Alvie Gaston Graf wrote: > > If > > all else fails > > have the model excorcised. > > That means to carefully put it on the floor and jump with two feet onto it > until nothing is left of it anymore but its own silhouette embossed in the > carpet or wood. In case you got tiles on the floor you must jump a bit > harder to emboss it. > Alternatively you can do what I did as I was a boy - put one of these medium > size red fireworks crackers into the cockpit, light up its fuse and let it > dive down from the 3rd floor of a building. Additionally you can apply some > patches of glue to the cowling and light it up too so it will go down in > flames like a "real" fighter. The 1/72 Me109 from Matchbox that I excorcised > that way as a 13 year old had a beautiful last flight. Right after the > impact in the snow it exploded. > And if you don't like to play with fire you can always shoot it up with an > airgun or with your bow ;o). > > have fun > > Gasterix > www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 22:16:32 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Esci Nieuport 17 top wing and Data File plans.. Message-ID: >From: "Ross Moorhouse" > >Last night I put the wings of the ESCI Nieuport 17 against the Data >File >plans. Well, there's your mistake right there! Should'na done that. >The bottom wing is ok, BUT the top wing dosnt match. Its too short >according to the plans. I then dug up the 1981 issue of Scale Models >that >has plans for the 17 and its the same result as the Data File. I >mean this >wing is real short. By a rib. > >So what to do? Toss and turn at night not being able to sleep because >I >know its wrong? Or maybe build a new wing? What would you do if this >was >you? Well, I built the Esci kit (it's pictured on the site) and I made a few enhancements but didn't worry about the wings or fuselage too much. Try looking at: http://www.wwi-models.org/misc/FrenchWW1/Nieuport/nie1772.html All I can say is BWHAHAHAHA! Let me know how it's going after you chopped the top wing into 4 or 5 bits. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 17:16:33 EST From: PetersList@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Esci Nieuport 17 top wing and Data File plans.. Message-ID: In a message dated 09/02/02 21:13:37 GMT Standard Time, rossmoor@bigpond.net.au writes: << I then dug up the 1981 issue of Scale Models that has plans for the 17 and its the same result as the Data File. >> I think it possible that both drawings are by the same draftsman so I would check with an independant source before deciding what to do about it. That said the Esci kits are not renowned for accuracy. So, I'd take up the generous offer of a slightly used Revell wing if I were you. Although of course that's not so accurate either :) cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 17:21:23 EST From: PetersList@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Re Omega Farman F30 Message-ID: <28.21eeefc2.2996fae3@aol.com> In a message dated 09/02/02 21:25:52 GMT Standard Time, flutes@xs4all.nl writes ( of F30 tail booms}: << I erred on the side of caution and they're still too thick). >> As did I for my F40 in the manly scale. I'm sure now that it is possible to use near scale thickness wire for tail booms in 1/48 , provided of course that they are rigged. cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 17:27:29 -0500 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: Re: Bad Karma Albatros Message-ID: <001301c1b1b8$f67ef9e0$ae913c44@macmb101.mi.comcast.net> snip > Hans Trauner wrote: > > > Listees, > > my bad Karma Albatros has taken his toll again. After finger-printing, > > too-large-decals, not-oversprayed-leading-edges, > > odd-problems-during-spray-job and CA-cracking-white-spirit-washing I had the > > 'marriage' the night before. This means the upper wing was clued on struts > > etc. The thing was complete, sans rigging. Ha! I was proud. Now, after over > > 24 hours drying time I started to rig it. I wrapped the fuselage with > > kitchen dowel to avoid any finger-printing-adventure. For a short moment I > > hold it on the top wing through this process. > > > > Yes, you guess it. > > > > Luckily the struts remains unbroken. The undercarriage lost the axle, but it > > can be repaired. Prop and guns came loose, but can be fixed again. Some > > small paint jobs will be necessary, but nothing real serious. But, really, > > when the fuselage/ lowerwing unit fell away from my fingers and banged on > > the desk, I was nearly to weep. > > > > I love my hobby. It's so relaxing! > > > > Hans > > Hi Hans- I was not exactly happy when I dropped my Pup last week. After replacing the struts, repairing the lower wing( which is still not re-attached to the fuselage), re-attaching the gun, etc., I'm still not back to the point I was when I dropped it, but oh well............you are correct! isn't this relaxing. Later Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 19:35:39 EST From: CoolSpadLuke@aol.com To: Subject: Re: I just fixed the damn wings..... Message-ID: <9f.22707e5d.29971a5b@aol.com> Same here. All the wing sections in my kit were warped. Took about 20 to 30 minutes in the kitchen, most time spent waiting for batches of water to heat. Used a Pyrex baking dish and cut a piece of 3/4"X3 1/2" wood to fit, using canned goods from the nearby pantry for weights. Haven't sanded wing ribs off yet, but they've got to go! As usual, biggest problem will be from SWMBO when she finds I've steamed some labels loose of the cans again. I considered using the small dumbells she uses in swinging her arms while walking every day, but decided against it. She's in much better shape than I am. ;-) Mike Kavanaugh In a message dated Sat, 9 Feb 2002 1:08:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, DNSH@aol.com writes: > I was surprised how quick it was to fix the wings. I had never done the hot > water thing on such a big part. The uneven thickness in cross section on my > kit it is only on the upper wing, the lower panels were fine. I'm not too > concerned about it. Once the rib tapes are sanded off, I figure I can even > it out and add new tapes. Or I could do the same as you and lozenge it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:48:23 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RVHP Models Message-ID: <20020210004823.72349.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, Looks like my wish for RVHP Models to do some 1/48 kits is reality. See, the power of prayer does work! Right now, it looks like their planned releases are all ot, but there's hope. Check Hannants' site under RVHP for the list so far. Todd __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 18:49:57 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Esci Nieuport 17 top wing and Data File plans.. Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:13:06 -0500 (EST), Ross Moorhouse wrote: > So what to do? Toss and turn at night not being able to sleep because I know > its wrong? Or maybe build a new wing? What would you do if this was you? I ended up making a new one and sending it to Rosemont. However, he hasn't released it yet as he's not sure if there's a market for it. I then asked him me buying 16 wasn't a market? ;-) Seriously, though, maybe if enough people call/write/email Barry at Rosemont, maybe he'll release the set (both wings (the bottom is also a tad short) and a new cowl). Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 20:02:45 EST From: CoolSpadLuke@aol.com To: Subject: Re: Esci Nieuport 17 top wing and Data File plans.. Message-ID: When confronted with these decisions, I usually procrastinate. Set it aside in its basket (I use plastic baskets to keep all the kit parts separated from other kit's parts) and put it on a shelf. Let your subconscious ponder it for a while and start another kit. I have several baskets on the shelves. I appropriately call them "basket cases". They outnumber the finished models on the shelves. I find most times I know what I ought to do but just don't want to "bite the bullet" and do it, hoping to think of some miraculous, easy fix. You'll probably decide to do a new wing. Otherwise, every time you look at the finished model, you'll think about the short wing or whatever the defect. I know I do with my mine. HTH, Mike Kavanaugh In a message dated Sat, 9 Feb 2002 4:13:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Ross Moorhouse" writes: > So what to do? Toss and turn at night not being able to sleep because I know > its wrong? Or maybe build a new wing? What would you do if this was you? > > ;-) > > Cheers > > Ross ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 02:08:21 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: starightening brass struts Message-ID: I have started on the RVHP Hansa Brandenburg B.I - fine kit by the way with a few limitations but so what. Anyway, Mr. Robert V�le (Mr RVHP) has kindly placed some brass strut material in the kit, rather than including resin struts in the kit since the latter would have to be replaced. Naturally, the strut material is slightly bent - each piece is about 15cm (6") long. Any idea how to make and keep these things straight? Michael _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 02:18:51 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Re Omega Farman F30 Message-ID: >From: Paul Thompson >Did you replace all the resin struts etc? > >And the answer is, yes. I wouldn't trust them with the length of the >uper >wing. The booms were too thick as you'd expect, so I used them as >a >pattern for plastic replacements (which another time I'd replace >with >brass tube or rod since forstrength I erred on the side of >caution and >they're still too thick). Interesting. With a resin kit, you have to watch the weight a bit more. I got away with .030" plastic rod for the tail booms for the Roseplane vac of the F-40 - I copied Dennis Ugulano (see the web site). With resin tail, it might have to be .035" or even .040". Sounds like a great build and I'm looking forward to seeing the pictures of it. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 14:35:33 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Esci Nieuport 17 top wing and Data File plans.. Message-ID: <004601c1b1e3$ff221200$76492dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> Hi mate, You can send it to me if you want. But i am still thinking of making a new wing from scratch. More for the sake of doing it as the wings I am making for my vac GunBus has not happened yet. The blanks are cut though. Cheers Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rory Goodwin" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 8:38 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: Esci Nieuport 17 top wing and Data File plans.. > Ross, > I have an old Revell Nie.17 wing in my scrap box. It had the ailerons reshaped > and was painted gloss gray and assembled as part of God-knows-what by some > unkown fiend (still has broken-off struts), but you are ceratinly welcome to it. > > HTH but probably not. > > Ross Moorhouse wrote: > > > Last night I put the wings of the ESCI Nieuport 17 against the Data File > > plans. The bottom wing is ok, BUT the top wing dosnt match. Its too short > > according to the plans. I then dug up the 1981 issue of Scale Models that > > has plans for the 17 and its the same result as the Data File. I mean this > > wing is real short. By a rib. > > > > So what to do? Toss and turn at night not being able to sleep because I know > > its wrong? Or maybe build a new wing? What would you do if this was you? > > > > ;-) > > > > Cheers > > > > Ross > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 21:35:58 -0600 From: "Peter Ecos" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Your comments on this book Message-ID: Hi list, Does anyone have this book: "Above the War Fronts : The British Two-Seater Bomber Pilot and Observer Aces, the British Two-Seater Fighter Observer Aces, and the Belgian, Italian.." by Norman Franks? How does this book rate as a modelling reference? Do you recommend other related titles from this author? Thanks for your help. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 14:37:37 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Esci Nieuport 17 top wing and Data File plans.. Message-ID: <004c01c1b1e4$49172d00$76492dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> And to think Michael I liked your build of the Il'ya Muromets that Matt posted at IM. ;-) I knew as soon as i put the wing up to the plan that i should never of done that. I cant get the worms back in the can now. ;-) Cheers Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Kendix" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 9:18 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: Esci Nieuport 17 top wing and Data File plans.. > >From: "Ross Moorhouse" > > > >Last night I put the wings of the ESCI Nieuport 17 against the Data >File > >plans. > > Well, there's your mistake right there! Should'na done that. > > >The bottom wing is ok, BUT the top wing dosnt match. Its too short > >according to the plans. I then dug up the 1981 issue of Scale Models >that > >has plans for the 17 and its the same result as the Data File. I >mean this > >wing is real short. By a rib. > > > >So what to do? Toss and turn at night not being able to sleep because >I > >know its wrong? Or maybe build a new wing? What would you do if this >was > >you? > > Well, I built the Esci kit (it's pictured on the site) and I made a few > enhancements but didn't worry about the wings or fuselage too much. > > Try looking at: > > http://www.wwi-models.org/misc/FrenchWW1/Nieuport/nie1772.html > > All I can say is BWHAHAHAHA! Let me know how it's going after you chopped > the top wing into 4 or 5 bits. > > Michael > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 14:39:33 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Esci Nieuport 17 top wing and Data File plans.. Message-ID: <005201c1b1e4$8e19cd40$76492dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> Hi Peter, I dont have any other source of plans for it. I agree with you on having a second set as you are right. Both I have are by the same person.. When Volker was down here he showed me a set of plans for a certain plane and then the pic of that plane in the same book. They didnt match in some areas. :-( Cheers Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 9:18 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: Esci Nieuport 17 top wing and Data File plans.. > In a message dated 09/02/02 21:13:37 GMT Standard Time, > rossmoor@bigpond.net.au writes: > > << I then dug up the 1981 issue of Scale Models that > has plans for the 17 and its the same result as the Data File. >> > > I think it possible that both drawings are by the same draftsman so I would > check with an independant source before deciding what to do about it. That > said the Esci kits are not renowned for accuracy. So, I'd take up the > generous offer of a slightly used Revell wing if I were you. Although of > course that's not so accurate either :) > > cheers > > Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 14:42:17 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Esci Nieuport 17 top wing and Data File plans.. Message-ID: <005a01c1b1e4$f004f0c0$76492dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> Mike, I use the boxes they came in. But other than that I am the same as you. Do you ever start out just to do a kit out of the box only to find that this never happnes and they end up back in their boxes because of all the extra work you would have to do. So then you buy another kit to do out of the box only to once again get caught in this circle?? Cheers Ross... Spinning around my kist in the box still... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 12:03 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Esci Nieuport 17 top wing and Data File plans.. > When confronted with these decisions, I usually procrastinate. Set it aside in its basket (I use plastic baskets to keep all the kit parts separated from other kit's parts) and put it on a shelf. Let your subconscious ponder it for a while and start another kit. I have several baskets on the shelves. I appropriately call them "basket cases". They outnumber the finished models on the shelves. > > I find most times I know what I ought to do but just don't want to "bite the bullet" and do it, hoping to think of some miraculous, easy fix. You'll probably decide to do a new wing. Otherwise, every time you look at the finished model, you'll think about the short wing or whatever the defect. I know I do with my mine. > > HTH, > Mike Kavanaugh > > In a message dated Sat, 9 Feb 2002 4:13:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Ross Moorhouse" writes: > > > So what to do? Toss and turn at night not being able to sleep because I know > > its wrong? Or maybe build a new wing? What would you do if this was you? > > > > ;-) > > > > Cheers > > > > Ross > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 22:49:52 -0500 From: Dave Townsend To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Your comments on this book Message-ID: <3C65EDE0.9040400@patriot.net> The Grub Street Press Books (Above the Trenches/Lines/War Fronts/etc) are aimed at modelers at all. Chock full of historical details (ace claims) and photos, but the latter are usually portraits and examples of aircraft types rather than analyses of who flew what plane, colors, etc. You'd do better buying a few Datafiles, I think. Dave Townsend townsend@patriot.net Peter Ecos wrote: > Hi list, > > Does anyone have this book: > > "Above the War Fronts : The British Two-Seater Bomber Pilot and Observer > Aces, the British Two-Seater Fighter Observer Aces, and the Belgian, > Italian.." by Norman Franks? > > How does this book rate as a modelling reference? Do you recommend other > related titles from this author? Thanks for your help. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 22:26:42 -0600 From: "robert owens" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Models in Baskets Message-ID: Michael, Ould Son: 'Tis not procrastination yer speakin' of. 'Tis simply Zen Modeling. Each project will have its own time, and a wise modeler does not FORCE anything. To force a project to completion, no matter how much one wants to see it finished, is to invite the displeasure of the Model Gods. Your "Basket Cases" are NOT "unfinished" models, and should not inspire any feelings of guilt (nor keep you from acquiring other kits to put in baskets). They are simply artworks waiting for the artist's hand to catch up with his/her imagination. Go Forth, and Create More Masterpieces in Plastic (Resin, Vacuform, Whatever):-) Rob _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 15:40:36 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Models in Baskets Message-ID: <008f01c1b1ed$1535d6e0$76492dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> Well if I go by my imagination no one here builds a model like I can.. Oh, reality just hit as I look at the "things" on my model desk... Never did like Zen... Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert owens" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 3:28 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Models in Baskets > > > > Michael, Ould Son: 'Tis not procrastination yer speakin' of. 'Tis simply Zen > Modeling. Each project will have its own time, and a wise modeler does not > FORCE anything. To force a project to completion, no matter how much one > wants to see it finished, is to invite the displeasure of the Model Gods. > Your "Basket Cases" are NOT "unfinished" models, and should not inspire any > feelings of guilt (nor keep you from acquiring other kits to put in > baskets). They are simply artworks waiting for the artist's hand to catch > up with his/her imagination. Go Forth, and Create More Masterpieces in > Plastic (Resin, Vacuform, Whatever):-) Rob > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 23:44:44 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Updates Message-ID: <102.1056ba08.299754bc@aol.com> In a message dated 2/8/02 5:49:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, tbittners@sprintmail.com writes: << Okay, I did it. Finally finished up all of the 1998 and 1999 Internet Modeler reviews and uploaded them. That's all of 'em - all the WW1's. I think I'm not going to start to add 2000 for quite awhile. Matt Bittner WW1 Modeling Page Assistant Editor >> Nice job....good to see some old favorites again! Thanks for work! RK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 23:44:43 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Cylinders and fins Message-ID: <138.92551da.299754bb@aol.com> In a message dated 2/9/02 1:44:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, rorygood@earthlink.net writes: << 've been giving this a go and it's proving exceptionally difficult. On my third try and I'm about to give up and order a mess 'o Aeroclub bits. >> It took a few tries, but it finally came down to: get a stick, dowel,or rod a few inches long..long enough to handle comfortably. glue the end of the wire some where along the stick. start winding, getting the first few wraps straight. securewith CA cut finished cylinder off stick. RK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 22:32:29 -0800 From: Rory Goodwin To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: My comments on this book Message-ID: <3C6613FD.3628120B@earthlink.net> Just got Brad King's Royal Naval Air Service 1912-1918 book (Hikoki Publications, 1997) for about 18 USD. Not bad for the overview, including land units and 10 pages of color profiles with some very interesting DH4s as well as obscure types. Not many detail shots of aircraft and no drawings, but well illustrated with photos of well-know and not-so-well known aircraft and personel. Oddly enough, none of Colly's Black Flight Tripes are included in the profiles (not that I mind). Recommended. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 20:35:56 +0000 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: OT 144th scale stuff Message-ID: <3C65882B.1B1A78BB@dial.pipex.com> ibs4421 wrote: > > Isn't 1/144th very close to 'N' gauge in model railroad terms? > > >>From there you might be able to find your people and animals (if > > you want). > > Yes, N guage is 1/167th scale. > I find it interesting that the scales for N guage are so different (O is the same), and yet on the other scales that use the same track gauge (OO and HO), they at least called the gauges something different in the UK. Probably why we refer to N and O more by their ratio (2mm and 7mm to the foot) more here now. So if you want more 'to scale' 1/144th figures, buy British !! Dave ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4159 **********************