WWI Digest 4136 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Internet Modeler Website by "Michael and Sharon Alvarado, NSWCC" 2) vector graphics by PetersList@aol.com 3) Re: Inside the Pulpit of the Spad A2... by "Ross Moorhouse" 4) Re: bad news by "Michal Beran" 5) Re: HB C.I vac/ was: Kits to Pass On: Part II (rather long) by "Pedro Soares" 6) Re: bad news by Paul Thompson 7) Re: vector graphics by Mark Miller 8) Re: WWI Games by "Lee M." 9) Re: WWI Games by "ibs4421" 10) Re: Inside the Pulpit of the Spad A2... by "Matt Bittner" 11) Re: HB C.I vac/ was: Kits to Pass On: Part II (rather long) by CoolSpadLuke@aol.com 12) Re: Inside the Pulpit of the Spad A2... by "ibs4421" 13) Amodel SPAD SA.2 dilemma by "Matt Bittner" 14) Re: HB C.I vac/ was: Kits to Pass On: Part II (rather long) by "Michael Kendix" 15) Yet another paint question by "ibs4421" 16) Re: HB C.I vac/ was: Kits to Pass On: Part II (rather long) by "Michael Kendix" 17) Re: Inside the Pulpit of the Spad A2/again by "Tom Plesha" 18) Re: bad news by "Limon3" 19) Multi-things: by Robert Horton 20) Re: bad news by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 21) Re: Yet another paint question by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 22) Re: Multi-things: by Steve Cox 23) Re: Yet another paint question by "ibs4421" 24) Flechettes by "ibs4421" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 15:05:51 -0500 From: "Michael and Sharon Alvarado, NSWCC" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Internet Modeler Website Message-ID: <3C5D981F.3EA02748@verizon.net> I had trouble late last night. Haven't tried it today. Alvie Chris Bernique wrote: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C1AC78.EEC00860 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Dear List, > > Anybody having problems accessing IM website? I have been wanting = > to look at Bob Laskodi's Fokker D.VII but can't get in. > > Chris > > ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C1AC78.EEC00860 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > > >
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I do have a vector graphics program,"Freehand 9", but it's workings are a total mystery to me so I continue to plod on in pen and ink. This is perfectly fine as my main aim is to build a model based on what I hope will be a more accurate drawing (at least in terms of outline). But if I should take leave of my senses and decide to publish it on the web I would like it to look a little more snazzy. My question to the list vector graphics whizz-kids is this; Is there any advantage in importing a pen and ink drawing into a vector graphics program such as Freehand? If so, how the heck do I do it? Or am I better off just scanning it in as a JPEG? cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 08:01:55 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Inside the Pulpit of the Spad A2... Message-ID: <004d01c1acf6$03ad35e0$76492dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> Steven and Matt, Thanks for your answers. I like that I have a bit of freedom to detail the way I feel and like. How did either of you handle the non-rib detail under the wings? I am thinking of either using decal strip or fine plastic strip for the ribs. Matt it must be very fine P.E. screen you are using to go in place of the molded grill. Which set did this screen come from?? Cheers Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Bittner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 3:39 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: Inside the Pulpit of the Spad A2... > On Sun, 3 Feb 2002 07:38:01 -0500 (EST), Steven Perry wrote: > > > Not much info on the interior of the pulpits. I stuck a couple of ammo drums > > on the right side and a "black box" with various knobs of indeterminate > > function on the left just to add detail. > > Ah yes, the infamous "what's inside the SA nacelle". The only > thing we can be certain of is a seat. Everything else is left to > your imagination. > > > The ducting that passes next to the seat may or may not be in that kit, Matt > > can speak to that. > > It is. Believe it or not, the Amodel nacelle is the most > accurate of all three kits - Amodel, Omega and Roseplane. > Omega's cockpit is the most accurate, but still falls short. > > > Basically the pulpit interiors are Dicta Ira > > Definitely! For me, I bought the Omega "Russian bombs and > camera" set, and stuck one of the camera's over the nacelle > underside window. I hollowed out where the lens should be, and > glued on an MV Lens from my armor collection. Might not be > accurate, but there's no one that can tell me any better. That > way my interior is extremely cluttered. :-) > > If you want to know more about the Amodel kit, definitely LMK. I > just scraped off the "grills" on the nacelle sides and will add > some photoetch screen to the area. > > > Matt Bittner > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 21:00:30 +0100 From: "Michal Beran" To: Subject: Re: bad news Message-ID: <003b01c1ac24$ebe77820$77700bd4@cz> Dear Bob Sincerest condolences from me and Klara, Bob. And our deepest sympathies to you and your family at this time. Michal and Klara > After sitting by her bedside for the last 41 hours, my mother has finally > passed away. I would like to apologize to anyone I have promised work to in > the near future, and say that it will not be forthcoming until final > arrangements are made. > > Regards, > Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 21:24:10 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: HB C.I vac/ was: Kits to Pass On: Part II (rather long) Message-ID: <002d01c1acf9$1f121f00$b17116d5@netcabo.pt> ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Kendix To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 3:31 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: HB C.I vac/ was: Kits to Pass On: Part II (rather long) > Pedro: > > I am interested as to what references you a re using for this kit. In > particular, the gunner's enclosure thing. I see a couple of pictures in the > A-H FMP tome but it's not entirely clear to me where the openings for this > turret are located and what they look like. > > Michael Michael. Your doubts are my doubts...;-). Could it be that hthe gunner entered the tower through the front cockpit, probably on his kness? I don't suppose he would enter through the top opening.... As to references, all I have is the A-H FMP and as you say it's rather scarce. Also the model gods want me to learn, I'm sure. Remeber I said I was happy with the wing? Well I fell for one of the classic vac errors: using liquid glues on thin trailing edges. The wings this morning were all junk, since the liquid glue dissolved the trailing edges. But I won't give up. I just started preparing a Rosemont wing blank in order to sacrtchbuild a new set of wings. Anybody out there with more references on the HB CI UFAG than the FMP book? Pedro > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 22:42:00 +0100 From: Paul Thompson To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: bad news Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020204223809.009fa940@pop.xs4all.nl> Bob, Very sorry to hear your news. All the best. Paul T. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Feb 2002 13:46:03 -0800 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: vector graphics Message-ID: <20020203214603.18501.cpmta@c016.snv.cp.net> On Sun, 03 February 2002, PetersList@aol.com wrote: Is there any advantage in importing a pen and ink drawing into a vector graphics program such as Freehand? If so, how the heck do I do > it? Or am I better off just scanning it in as a JPEG? > > cheers > > Peter L Peter no matter how you look at it your pen and ink drawing will have to enter the computer via a raster based format (like a .jpg) There are applications which will scan a raster image and convert it into a vector based image But they all suck (IMHO) Best bet is to take the scan of your line drawing - make it as small as possible without losing definition and import it into your drawing program - and then trace it. Mark Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 15:51:37 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: WWI Games Message-ID: <3C5DB0E8.6A5CF4CE@x25.net> Question for anyone. Does anyone know how RB II 3D will run on Win 2000 Pro. I plan on that instead of XP and I will be changing to a (Fresh) HD from Me. Lee M. New Braunfels, Tx ibs4421 wrote: > > Magnus, > The latest WWI flight sim to my knowledge is Red Baron II 3D. > The bad news? Sierra killed off Dynamix, the division which produced it, > and it is no longer in production. I got a copy back in September for > $19.95 when they were selling it off. I does not work well with Windows XP, > and I have heard of some having problems geting it ti run with Windows ME, > but I have had none so far to amount to anything. The good news in all of > this? There is a very dedicated group of enthusiasts out there who are > keeping this game going, and there are sooo many planes available that > people have creatd for the game that did not come with it. We are in the > midle of a war right now, Great War V, and I am having a blast with it. > Please e-mail me off-list if you would like, and I can send you some links. > If I had the room, I would pick up an old PC slower than mine, and > dedicated it soley to RBII3D. I know Wal-Mart was selling some 500Mhz > machines around Christmas for $300.00. I would then find a Voodoo 3D card. > LMK if you need any more information. > > Warren > Who can't wait until our Squadron gets rid of those Morane Bullets! :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 16:05:02 -0600 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Re: WWI Games Message-ID: <001d01c1acfe$d62c9080$7c3dfad1@dwfjv01> Lee, I will ask around and see what the replies are. If i hear anything I'll get back to you with the answer(s). Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee M." To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 3:51 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: WWI Games > Question for anyone. Does anyone know how RB II 3D will run on Win 2000 > Pro. I plan on that instead of XP and I will be changing to a (Fresh) > HD from Me. > > Lee M. > New Braunfels, Tx > > ibs4421 wrote: > > > > Magnus, > > The latest WWI flight sim to my knowledge is Red Baron II 3D. > > The bad news? Sierra killed off Dynamix, the division which produced it, > > and it is no longer in production. I got a copy back in September for > > $19.95 when they were selling it off. I does not work well with Windows XP, > > and I have heard of some having problems geting it ti run with Windows ME, > > but I have had none so far to amount to anything. The good news in all of > > this? There is a very dedicated group of enthusiasts out there who are > > keeping this game going, and there are sooo many planes available that > > people have creatd for the game that did not come with it. We are in the > > midle of a war right now, Great War V, and I am having a blast with it. > > Please e-mail me off-list if you would like, and I can send you some links. > > If I had the room, I would pick up an old PC slower than mine, and > > dedicated it soley to RBII3D. I know Wal-Mart was selling some 500Mhz > > machines around Christmas for $300.00. I would then find a Voodoo 3D card. > > LMK if you need any more information. > > > > Warren > > Who can't wait until our Squadron gets rid of those Morane Bullets! :) > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 16:11:47 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Inside the Pulpit of the Spad A2... Message-ID: On Sun, 3 Feb 2002 16:01:33 -0500 (EST), Ross Moorhouse wrote: > Thanks for your answers. I like that I have a bit of freedom to detail the > way I feel and like. Definitely. > How did either of you handle the non-rib detail under the wings? I am > thinking of either using decal strip or fine plastic strip for the ribs. This wasn't an issue for sp - the Roseplane kit is detailed nicely that way. Me, I scribed them in, and when I thought the scribings were too deep, refilled them to leave just a slight depression. > Matt it must be very fine P.E. screen you are using to go in place of the > molded grill. Which set did this screen come from?? This comes from some unfortunately out of production Trimaster product that Andrei Koribanics gave me. However, I haven't perused the model railroad shop, so maybe there's something in there that can be use. Speaking of Andrei, anyone know how he's doing/where he's at? Haven't heard from him on the list in ages. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 17:16:26 EST From: CoolSpadLuke@aol.com To: Subject: Re: HB C.I vac/ was: Kits to Pass On: Part II (rather long) Message-ID: <11f.b22c593.298f10ba@aol.com> Hi Pedro and Michael, I'm probably pooling ignorance here but, "Die Flugzeuge der k.u.k. Luftfahrtruppe und Seeflieger 1914-1918" has several photos and profiles of the HB C.I, one photo with the crew aboard. I'm not so sure that there isn't just one crew enclosure for both crew members, pilot's seat facing forward and, whatever the observer sits on (a folding seat?) rear of that. The coaming around the cockpit extends back almost to the observer's gun ring in some photos/drawings and even beyond the forward part of the gun ring by several inches on others (a later modification?. If not aware of the question of a separate observer's cockpit and entry to it, I would have assumed from looking at the C.I photo with the crew aboard that it was a single compartment for both crew members. FWIW, Mike Kavanaugh In a message dated Sun, 3 Feb 2002 4:24:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Pedro Soares" writes: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael Kendix > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 3:31 PM > Subject: [WWI] Re: HB C.I vac/ was: Kits to Pass On: Part II (rather long) > > > > > Pedro: > > > > I am interested as to what references you a re using for this kit. In > > particular, the gunner's enclosure thing. I see a couple of pictures in > the > > A-H FMP tome but it's not entirely clear to me where the openings for this > > turret are located and what they look like. > > > > Michael > > Michael. Your doubts are my doubts...;-). Could it be that hthe gunner > entered the tower through the front cockpit, probably on his kness? I don't > suppose he would enter through the top opening.... > > As to references, all I have is the A-H FMP and as you say it's rather > scarce. > > Also the model gods want me to learn, I'm sure. Remeber I said I was happy > with the wing? Well I fell for one of the classic vac errors: using liquid > glues on thin trailing edges. The wings this morning were all junk, since > the liquid glue dissolved the trailing edges. But I won't give up. I just > started preparing a Rosemont wing blank in order to sacrtchbuild a new set > of wings. > > Anybody out there with more references on the HB CI UFAG than the FMP book? > > Pedro > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 16:22:44 -0600 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Re: Inside the Pulpit of the Spad A2... Message-ID: <003501c1ad01$4dc1bec0$7c3dfad1@dwfjv01> > This comes from some unfortunately out of production Trimaster > product that Andrei Koribanics gave me. However, I haven't > perused the model railroad shop, so maybe there's something in > there that can be use. Well, one thing my model RR friends use to replicate the window screens on caboose windows is used silk screen from a shop that silk screens T-shirts. Once a screen is used up it is useless to them. If you ask nicely, as one shoud in all things, they should be happy to give you one. One screen will last you long time. I don't know if this will result in the type of screen or mesh you desire, but it's worth a try. Warren ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 16:24:11 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Amodel SPAD SA.2 dilemma Message-ID: See, I'm not much further along in building my Amodel SA.2. :-) I decided that while watching TV with my wife one night, I would fix up the seat that went into the nacelle. Had it thinned very nicely, but thinning it left some marks that needed to be filled. I sanded the putty successfully and was taking it to my workbench to add another layer of putty. Lo and behold I had to set it down to help someone out, not I can't find the durned thing. Argh! My dilemma now is which seat to use in the nacelle? It's difficult to see in the picture with the nacelle down, but I was wondering if the seat was "perforrated" or "solid"? I'm tempted to use the Nie.17 seat from the Eduard p/e set if it's perffed. If not, I haven't a clue what to use (although I have a whole slew of resin seats that could be used). Cripes... And for those working on the Amodel SAs the word for the day is thin. Thin, thin, thin, thin, thin. While it's a decent kit, it's a very thick kit. I thought the kit's engine was too small so I'm using an Omega replacement, and the whole area that the engine fits in needs to be thinned. The nacelle floor is awfully thick since it has a window in it. So, I cut off the floor of the nacelle, after gluing the nacelle halves together, and replaced the floor with .010" sheet styrene. So, if you're in doubt with a kit part, then thin it. The next parts I add - after I finish fairing in the new "Woodman-method" turtledeck and undersides - are the sides of the forward fuselage that surrounded the engine and provided the place necessary for the castor oil to flow. I have a sneaky suspicion I'm going to have to drastically thin these parts. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 22:21:53 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: HB C.I vac/ was: Kits to Pass On: Part II (rather long) Message-ID: >From: "Pedro Soares" >Michael. Your doubts are my doubts...;-). Could it be that hthe gunner >entered the tower through the front cockpit, probably on his kness? I > >don't suppose he would enter through the top opening.... I think that going through the top of the tower seem a likely option. >As to references, all I have is the A-H FMP and as you say it's rather >scarce. Compunding the confusion is the problem that the A-H tome has only pictures and a profile of the 26.17, whereas the kit is the 64.01. The 26.17 had a more squared shape to the aft end of its gunner canopy. The references on the kit's instruction sheet are somewhat ancient: Aero Modeler Feb 1967 Air Progress Summer 1961 Color Profiles of WW1 Combat Planes by Apostolo and Begnozzi - Crescent Books 1974 Reconnaissance & Bomber Aircraft of the 1914-1918 War - Harleyford Storia Dell Aviazione- No.14 Anyone have any of these things and can see the reference to the HB-C1/UFAG? >Also the model gods want me to learn, I'm sure. Remeber I said I was >happy >with the wing? Well I fell for one of the classic vac errors: >using liquid >glues on thin trailing edges. The wings this morning were >all junk, since >the liquid glue dissolved the trailing edges. But I >won't give up. I just >started preparing a Rosemont wing blank in >order to sacrtchbuild a new >set of wings. Sad but you'll probably do a better job than the kit's wings. Note that the kit's wings come in port and starboard sections - the HB-C1 and B1 top wings were both joined in the centre by a couple of rods. >Anybody out there with more references on the HB CI UFAG than the FMP > >book? Let's hope so. Not many A-H Datafiles are available - Phönix D.I/D.II, Aviatik D.1, Aviatik C.1, PKZ-2, Albatros D.II (Oef). Michael _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 16:28:58 -0600 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Yet another paint question Message-ID: <003601c1ad02$2cb53ee0$7c3dfad1@dwfjv01> Listers, Reading the latest issue of FSM I noticed they have a special on airbrushes, use, clean up, etc. One thing they mentioned in care & feeding, was to mix/thin your paint, spray your model, then throw the unused portion away. I had not thought of this, I thought that once I had it thinned for use, I could keep it in a sealed bottle like regualr paint for use later on. Is it advisable to throw it away, or are they just blowing smoke up my tail? If throwing it away is the way to go, I guess I'm going to be wasting a lot of paint because I have no idea on how much to mix to cover a model. Another interesting thing is an article where they asked several of the FSM authors to tell about how they airbrush. Hardly any posess a spray booth. I thought that interesting, for the hoby press really pushes those things. However all use a respirator, which is, of course, good advice. How many on this list use a spray booth? How many, like a lot in the article, just use a spare room with the window(s) open? Curisously, Warren ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 22:29:58 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: HB C.I vac/ was: Kits to Pass On: Part II (rather long) Message-ID: Mike: I don't have that book since I hoped that the FMP tome would be sufficient. Perhaps it has been unclear in our previous postings, but Pedro is building this HB-C.1 that has a gunner's tower in which he sits and can fire over the top of the wing unobstructed. They were built by UFAG and Phönix, each was different, I gather. Does this help or make things more confused than ever? Michael >From: CoolSpadLuke@aol.com > >Hi Pedro and Michael, > >I'm probably pooling ignorance here but, "Die Flugzeuge der k.u.k. >Luftfahrtruppe und Seeflieger 1914-1918" has several photos and profiles of >the HB C.I, one photo with the crew aboard. I'm not so sure that there >isn't just one crew enclosure for both crew members, pilot's seat facing >forward and, whatever the observer sits on (a folding seat?) rear of that. >The coaming around the cockpit extends back almost to the observer's gun >ring in some photos/drawings and even beyond the forward part of the gun >ring by several inches on others (a later modification?. If not aware of >the question of a separate observer's cockpit and entry to it, I would have >assumed from looking at the C.I photo with the crew aboard that it was a >single compartment for both crew members. > >FWIW, >Mike Kavanaugh _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 17:48:43 -0500 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: Re: Inside the Pulpit of the Spad A2/again Message-ID: <003301c1ad04$eeebf4c0$ae913c44@macmb101.mi.comcast.net> Matt asks: > Speaking of Andrei, anyone know how he's doing/where he's at? > Haven't heard from him on the list in ages. I chatted with him the other day. Everything OK, just busy. Later Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 14:55:52 -0800 From: "Limon3" To: Subject: Re: bad news Message-ID: <00d401c1ad05$ef75c8c0$e7ebbbc0@i7e2z6> I'm sorry for your loss, please receive my condolences, Gabe ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Pearson To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 2:06 AM Subject: [WWI] bad news > After sitting by her bedside for the last 41 hours, my mother has finally > passed away. I would like to apologize to anyone I have promised work to in > the near future, and say that it will not be forthcoming until final > arrangements are made. > > Regards, > Bob Pearson > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 17:20:45 -0600 From: Robert Horton To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Multi-things: Message-ID: <3C5DC5CC.F85B67F@netexpress.net> Hi List folks: We also echo the sentiments of many on the list and send our condolences to you Bob...not an easy time and not an easy " watch" to perform.... If I may, to proceed on to a couple of other subjects that have been on the list lately: Pin Vises...those interested may wish to check out some items listed thru "Model Expo" catalog website: www.modelexpoinc.com go to the section on drills and there are several pin vises listed, but also look at item numbers SN846PV, and PIN218 that are not listed but are carried as special items. The price is right and very reasonable.....usual disclaimer applies.... To Neal Eddy and several others that were talking about Mortars in general and German mortars in particular....there were three basic sizes of German mortars used, and two models of each...the 76.5 mm, the 170 mm and the 245mm. Two models of each refers to the fact that there were long and short versions of the heavies and a model with low trajectory tail on the 76.5mm.( I know that in most useage these measurements are usually expressed in cm. but it is a little easier to work with mm...) Within the U.S. and Canada we have found and documented 24 items of the 76.5mm piece....17 items of the 170 mm piece and 11 items of the 245 mm piece....and of these I have seen a few of each and done some rough sketches and dimensions, and pictures taken to allow a reasonable model to be built./..if anyone wants to get in touch, off line, I will be more then happy to get into this thing a little more...it is probably the easiest and quickist way to get into WW I artillery type material. lastly, does anyone on the list have access to anyone that can translate Russian? I have a two letter phrase from the breech of what I believe is a Model 1891 Russian cannon...would like to know what the engraved inscription says... ObyXOB 3ABOnpA in the inscription in the last word the "n" and "p" are more or less reversed from the english letter form ...in other words the n faces left and the round part of the p is facing left.....I am making an assumption that this is indeed Russian...I have a Greek friend that assures me it isn't Greek.....TIA folks....best to all....Go Rams......Bob Horton, ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 10:17:51 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: bad news Message-ID: Bob; I just want to wish you and your family all the best, and offer my sincere condolences for the loss of your mother. My own father is not well at the moment, and I guess I sort of know what you're going through. All the Best Neil E _________________________________________________________________________________ NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies immediately. 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If you have received this email in error or have other concerns regarding this transmission, please contact the Department of Human Services System Administrator at Postmaster@dhs.vic.gov.au _________________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 10:39:32 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Yet another paint question Message-ID: Warren asks... Reading the latest issue of FSM... One thing they mentioned in care & feeding...was to mix/thin your paint, spray your model, then throw the unused portion away...Is it advisable to throw it away, or are they just blowing smoke up my tail?... How many on this list use a spray booth? How many, like a lot in the article, just use a spare room with the window(s) open? Hi Warren; I tend not to throw it away if i think it will be used again soon. With enamels, which I have thinned with white spirit, I put them back in the tinlet, where it mixes with what's left. However, you can only do this once or twice maybe, as the original contents of the tinlet tend to thin beyond being useful. Acrylics I throw out (or use on one of my test blanks - usually used for testing colour mixes - current one is a PC-12 + woodgrain Me10thingie), as I have found that the thinners (either Tamiya thinner or distilled water)affects the paint consistency, leading to some separating (don't know why). As to spray booths - on fine, still days my spray booth is the carport outside the backdoor, any other time, its the downstairs laundry with the exhaust fan going. I also use a large cutdown cardboard box (changed regularly) to catch oversprays etc, and I ALWAYS wear a mask (I have enough respiratory problems as it is). HTH All the Best Neil E _________________________________________________________________________________ NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication, you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of the Department of Human Services. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of the Department. Except as required by law, the Department does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. If you have received this email in error or have other concerns regarding this transmission, please contact the Department of Human Services System Administrator at Postmaster@dhs.vic.gov.au _________________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 23:45:53 +0000 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Re: Multi-things: Message-ID: My wife has some Russian friends, I'll ask them for you regards Steve =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html http://www.bramptonscalemodelclub.fsnet.co.uk If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ > From: Robert Horton > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 18:17:22 -0500 (EST) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Multi-things: > >>>Snip<<< > > lastly, does anyone on the list have access to anyone that can translate > Russian? I have a two letter phrase from the breech of what I believe > is a Model 1891 Russian cannon...would like to know what the engraved > inscription says... ObyXOB 3ABOnpA in the inscription in the > last word the "n" and "p" are more or less reversed from the english > letter form ...in other words the n faces left and the round part of the > p is facing left.....I am making an assumption that this is indeed > Russian...I have a Greek friend that assures me it isn't Greek.....TIA > folks....best to all....Go Rams......Bob Horton, > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 18:01:31 -0600 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Re: Yet another paint question Message-ID: <000d01c1ad0f$1adb9f40$7c3dfad1@dwfjv01> (I have enough > respiratory problems as it is). > > HTH > > All the Best > > Neil E Your too huh? I don't yet, but if I don't change my lifestyle, I know i will have some BAd ones. Thanks for the adivce. Enamels can keep, Acryllics . . .throw 'em out! I guess I should be very cautious about how much I mix for a model. Warren ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 18:20:38 -0600 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Flechettes Message-ID: <001001c1ad11$c65e4280$7c3dfad1@dwfjv01> Wasn't someone on the list looking for some flechettes a while back? Here is one: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1069376387 The guy selling it is a friend of mine from our days doing living history together. When we lost our museum jobs through layoffs, he and his wife started their militaria business. I know they bought out the contents of a lilitary museum in Belgium. He always carries some good individual WWI items. Most of all, he is HONEST! Warren ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4136 **********************