WWI Digest 4131 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: tall men and their tiny little flying machines was by Shane Weier 2) RE: More updates (Andreas Martin's models) by Shane Weier 3) RE: ot "Golden Age" kit query by Shane Weier 4) RE: ot "Golden Age" kit query by Shane Weier 5) Re: Wings Level by "Lee M." 6) Re: Stuff & Thangs by CoolSpadLuke@aol.com 7) Re: tall men and their tiny little flying machines was RE: RE: by "Michael and Sharon Alvarado, NSWCC" 8) vacforms - was: ot "Golden Age" kit query by Volker Haeusler 9) Re: BE12a question by "Michael and Sharon Alvarado, NSWCC" 10) RE: The ending story of a lonely Albatros.. by "Matt Bittner" 11) ­«­n³qª¾!!.... by pop@deng.net 12) RE: vacforms - was: ot "Golden Age" kit query by Shane Weier 13) Looking for references on Nieuport 17 by "Peter Ecos" 14) Re: Looking for references on Nieuport 17 by Rory Goodwin 15) RE: Looking for references on Nieuport 17 by Shane Weier 16) Re: "Overpainting" decals by "ibs4421" 17) RE: ot "Golden Age" kit query by David Fleming 18) RE: ot "Golden Age" kit query by Shane Weier 19) Taking All Apps #3DF1 by "Dawen Harken" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 09:40:24 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: tall men and their tiny little flying machines was Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDB0F@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Diego says: > Some years ago I borrowed a pictorial french book on the > "Grande Guerre" and > it was amazing to see the difference in the looks of the > fresh american > troops arrived to France to those battle-tired peasants that > were the french > army of 1918. American young men were closer of the image of > a young man we > have nowadays: full chest, strong legs and cheerful face. Their French > comrades seemed little and old compared to them, but I bet > that they had > about the same age, but they were worst fed all his life. The London press at the time said much the same about the ANZAC troops. Australia had ludicrously high standards for entry in the first two years of the war and *never* dropped by much - remember ours were all volunteers too. Meanwhile, by 1918 the remaining French were drawn from levies which included those rejected earlier in the war - to use a tired phrase, the flower of French youth were already long dead. (mmm, I remember reading a book last year, the history of the Welsh Fusiliers in WW1 by their regimental doctor who was dismayed by the poor malnourished and illformed recruits even such an old regular army unit had to make do with by 1918 Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 09:48:08 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: More updates (Andreas Martin's models) Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDB10@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Andreas, > You are right, the Brisfit is the better model. But the > Inpact-kits have a > special attraction for me. Don't get me wrong - I love the Inpact kits myself and really should build some of mine, but I have a soft spot for Biffs (as some here will recall) and yours looks just great. Shane > ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 09:59:53 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: ot "Golden Age" kit query Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDB11@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Brian says: > Not drastically needed, but if anyone has a lead on the 1/72 Esoteric > MARTIN BM-1/2 vacuform, I'd like to know about it. > (Since there seems to be a lot of collection news afoot...) Berlinner Joyce OJ-2, nup, that ain't it Curtiss F7C1 Seahawk, nup not that either, Loening OA-1A, dammit, nope Torpedo Bomber, errrrrr MARTIN BM-1/2 YAAAAAAYYYYY!!!! <\FX> Yeah, I have one, one of only four of that wonderfull and lamented range of neat little vacforms. > Don't need to know anything, other than where can I get one! > Brian Nicklas If'n you ask nicely.................... ...and send a snailmail address Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:05:45 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: ot "Golden Age" kit query Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDB12@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> I said earlier: > Yeah, I have one, one of only four of that wonderfull and > lamented range of neat little vacforms. *very* badly phrased. I had the whole series, these are all I have left unbuilt. (All those I built were triumphs of the vacform manufacturers art at the time IMO. When the guy who produced them died, we lost a great master maker) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 18:16:46 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Wings Level Message-ID: <3C5B2FEE.364A1E3D@x25.net> It developed after I retired. Lee M. ibs4421 wrote: > > > Mine tried to tell me I had a callus... > > > > Lee M. > > > LOL! Do you? > > Warren ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 19:55:20 EST From: CoolSpadLuke@aol.com To: Subject: Re: Stuff & Thangs Message-ID: <1e.227bba90.298c92f9@aol.com> In a message dated Fri, 1 Feb 2002 6:17:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, "ibs4421" writes: Yeppers, looks liek I'll finally get to fly a WWI > flight sim online against real humans piloting the planes instead of just > computer AI. It sure is a lot different. Hopefully I'll last longer than > 30 seconds in the air, lol. Wish me luck. > > Warren > Downing a shot of Grand Marnier and climbing in his Nieuport Bebe. Methinks you had better take the bottle with you. Should you survive the crash, it will offer some comfort as you try to make your way back through the lines in the cold and wet night. :-) Mike Kavanaugh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 20:07:32 -0500 From: "Michael and Sharon Alvarado, NSWCC" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: tall men and their tiny little flying machines was RE: RE: Message-ID: <3C5B3BD3.9F398AF@verizon.net> Smaller target. Alvie Gaston Graf wrote: > Thanks Gabe - will save the info. That means the great man was of small > physical size. But this was at the same time his advantage. Small pilot = > less weight = agile aircraft. > > Gaston > www.jastaboelcke.de > > > I heard somewhere (on a t.v. program) that MvR was 5'6". ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 03:31:11 +0800 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: vacforms - was: ot "Golden Age" kit query Message-ID: Shane, >(All those I built were triumphs of the vacform manufacturers art at the >time IMO. When the guy who produced them died, we lost a great master maker) FWIW "the guy" was Jim Wood - a great modeller as well (as well as an interesting personality, with a background of driving a lot of military and civil aircraft and lots of stories about these experiences), and one of those guys who made the trip to London´s "Southern Expo" worthwhile in the late 80ies and early 90ties (and sadly enough, he died on the day before the SOuthern expo in ´91 - at least as far as I can remember). But thinking about the "triumphs of the manufacturers art", it seems to me that this is sadly enough becoming a lost art, with fewer and fewer producers around. Schaedler (the guy who invented Airmodel) is long gone, Joe Chubbock as well, Richard Frank and Gordon Sutcliffe sold their stuff, Airframe is no longer, Detlef Schorsch will not do any vac´s any more, and the master of them all (Gordon Stevens of Rareplanes/Warbirds fame) also has dropped out of the business. While I admit that overall our situation for modeling in general and OT stuff in particular has substantially improved over the years, I really miss that variety and creativity brought to us by those guys with their vacs in the 80ies and 90ies. And to me at least, a resin still isn´t the same (plus who does a resin 72 scale Staaken or Vickers Virginia/Victoria/Valentia FIVE pack, to name a few?). Volker ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 20:42:47 -0500 From: "Michael and Sharon Alvarado, NSWCC" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: BE12a question Message-ID: <3C5B440C.80AA20A4@verizon.net> If you are talking about the bulges/blisters on the engine under cowling, the smaller central one is the cover for the engine oil sump drain, the longer one on the port side is the fairing (not very streamlined) of the air intakes for the updraft carburetor there are two small pipes which protrude horizontally a little from the port side center of this fairing. The whole engine installation is virtually identical to that of the RE8. The Royal Aircraft Factory was a great believer in "If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Also of "If it is broke lets not be too hasty in fixing it. The legacy of the government engineer of which I are one. Alvie Steve Cox wrote: > I think it's the cover for the linkage for the synchronisation mechanism, > but I can't remember where I saw this > regards > Steve > =========================================== > steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk > http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html > http://www.bramptonscalemodelclub.fsnet.co.uk > If I didn't spend so much time on line > ‹‹ I'd get some models finished > ================ > > >> Yes, sorry, not a very sexy topic I'm afraid. None of your garish lozenge > >> scheme with red and purple fuselages etc. > >> > >> I'm attempting to construct the Tom-M kit, which has a few omissions. One > >> is this bulging thing on the underside of the front fuselage. It shows up > >> in the profile on the back of the BE12a/b Datafile. I believe it is > >> asymmetrically located - nearer to the port side. Does anyone have any idea > >> what this is and better still, some reference photos aside from those in the > >> Datafile, which I own? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 20:03:16 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: RE: The ending story of a lonely Albatros.. Message-ID: Bwahahahaha, (did I do that right Matt?) Looks good to me! :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:13:50 -0500 (EST) From: pop@deng.net To: may Subject: ­«­n³qª¾!!.... 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about these experiences), Yes, that's him. I learned of his passing in an "Icarus" or "Vacform View" column in SMI - both written by the also sadly missed Geoff Prentice. I lay the blame for whatever standard of modelling independance I've acheived to four people, Saint Harry of course, Dick Stracey in Toowoomba, Queensland Australia who sold me my first vacform kit about 25 years ago, Joe Chubbock who mastered some of the first such kits I built (whic turned out so well that I found a better model in the bag than any WW1 injection kit of the day), and Geoff Prentice whose advocacy of vacforms in SMI led me to trying many I'd never have known of including the beautiful Esoteric vacs. > > But thinking about the "triumphs of the manufacturers art", > it seems to me > that this is sadly enough becoming a lost art, with fewer and fewer > producers around. So true. All the more reason to stockpile Bob Norgrens tasty offerings whenever I can afford them. > > While I admit that overall our situation for modeling in > general and OT > stuff in particular has substantially improved over the > years, I really miss > that variety and creativity brought to us by those guys with > their vacs in the 80ies and 90ies. In part, variety was the attraction. Until I found that vac models of 1/72 WW1 subjects usually looked more nearly like the original than any injection kit AND provided a greater degree of entertainment as well. That discovered, I'm prepared to bet that between 1980 and 1990 I built two vacs or *more* for every injection kit I finished. > And to me at least, a resin still isn´t > the same (plus > who does a resin 72 scale Staaken or Vickers > Virginia/Victoria/Valentia FIVE pack, to name a few?). Sob, whimper. Now you'll have me in tears......... Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 22:58:49 -0600 From: "Peter Ecos" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Looking for references on Nieuport 17 Message-ID: Hi List, I am new here so please excuse the 'newbiness'. Does any of you have scanned pix of this plane (preferably from a real one, not a replica) that you could send me? Additionally, are there websites that have them? I already got the following: http://www.science-tech.nmstc.ca/nam/Digital_archives/english/index.html http://mars.ark.com/~mdf/nieuport.html but surely there are others. Also, are there 1/32nd aftermarket decals for this plane? 'cause I plan to build a dozen of these puppies. And just as important, if you guys know of any inaccuracy about the Hobbycraft model please let me know. All the reviews I've found are pretty lenient -at least that's my suspicion. Thanks in advance. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 21:56:43 -0800 From: Rory Goodwin To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Looking for references on Nieuport 17 Message-ID: <3C5B7F9B.F71CDB9E@earthlink.net> It got very good reviews in Windsock in the early '90s. Lacking in some details such as cowl flanges and underwing strut fairings, but a decent kit. I have Estonian and Russian markings (sans cockades) from the "International" issue that you're welcome to. And don't forget the captured Turkish one with the big black squares! Peter Ecos wrote: > Hi List, > > I am new here so please excuse the 'newbiness'. Does any of you have > scanned pix of this plane (preferably from a real one, not a replica) that > you could send me? Additionally, are there websites that have them? I > already got the following: > > http://www.science-tech.nmstc.ca/nam/Digital_archives/english/index.html > > http://mars.ark.com/~mdf/nieuport.html > > but surely there are others. Also, are there 1/32nd aftermarket decals for > this plane? 'cause I plan to build a dozen of these puppies. And just as > important, if you guys know of any inaccuracy about the Hobbycraft model > please let me know. All the reviews I've found are pretty lenient -at least > that's my suspicion. > > Thanks in advance. > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 16:17:45 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Looking for references on Nieuport 17 Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDB1A@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Peter says: > I am new here so please excuse the 'newbiness'. Hello mate - I'm pleased to see that you did eventually get subscribed. Welcome to the zoo. > http://mars.ark.com/~mdf/nieuport.html Mikes site is about the best IMO. And I'm sure that the Nieuportophiles here will have a load of other links for you. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:38:57 -0600 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Re: "Overpainting" decals Message-ID: <001301c1ab82$00c39380$773dfad1@dwfjv01> I have > tried this twice on two different scrap wings; one with dark grey > undercoat, one with white and got 2 noticeably different looking wings from > the same sheet of 4-color lozenge. YMMV. Good Luck! > > Regards, > John I remember asking the list if they undercoated/painted the wings a particular color before applying lozenge decals. Did your results have to do with the decals being very thin?? Warren ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 00:07:38 +0000 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: ot "Golden Age" kit query Message-ID: <3C5B2DC9.FDD509DB@dial.pipex.com> Shane Weier wrote: > I said earlier: > > > Yeah, I have one, one of only four of that wonderfull and > > lamented range of neat little vacforms. > > *very* badly phrased. I had the whole series, these are all I have left > unbuilt. > > (All those I built were triumphs of the vacform manufacturers art at the > time IMO. When the guy who produced them died, we lost a great master maker) > Jim Wood produced quite a few, but some were the work of Gordon Stevens (Rareplanes). Forget which ones. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 18:40:07 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: ot "Golden Age" kit query Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDB1D@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> David, > > *very* badly phrased. I had the whole series, these are all > I have left > > unbuilt. > > > > (All those I built were triumphs of the vacform > manufacturers art at the > > time IMO. When the guy who produced them died, we lost a > great master maker) > > > > Jim Wood produced quite a few, but some were the work of > Gordon Stevens (Rareplanes). Forget which ones. That's true, and I'd forgotten. Funny how the great outburst of vacs in the eighties can largely be attributed to maybe fewer than a dozen people, some working for multiple "manufacturers" (most of which were in reality one man and his dog working in the garden shed Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. 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Good Credit or Bad!  To= apply today, please fill out the express form below=2E It contains all the information we need to get your account approved=2E For a= rea's that do not apply to you please put "n/a" in the box=2E

Upon receipt, we'll fax you with all of the all Bank Card Application documents necessary to establish your Merchant Account=2E Once returned we= can have your account approved within 24 hours=2E
 

Service Industry Standard

US
Site Inspection $50 - $75 FREE
Shipping $50 - $75 FREE
Warranty $10 Per Month= FREE
Sales Receipts $10 - $50&nbs= p; FREE
Fraud Screening

$=2E50 - $1=2E00
Per Transaction

 FREE
Amex Set Up $50 - $75 FREE
24 Hour Help Line $10 Month FREE
Security Bond $5000- $10,00= 0
Or More		 NONE

This is a No Obligation Qualification Form and is your first step to accepting credit cards=2E By filling out this form you will= "not enter" in to any obligations o= r contracts with us=2E We will use it to determine the best p= rogram to offer you based on the information you provide=2E You will be c= ontacted by one of our representatives within 1-2 business days to go over = the rest of your account set up=2E

<= font color=3D"#cc0000">Note:  All Information Provided To Us Will Remain= 100% Confidential !! 

Apply Free With No Risk!

Pleas= e fill out the express application form completely=2E
Incomplete information m= ay prevent us from properly processing your application=2E
Your Full Emai= l Address:
be sure to use your full address (i= =2Ee=2E user@domain=2Ecom)
Your Name:
Business Name:=
Business Phone= Number:
Home Phone Num= ber:
Type of Busine= ss:
Retail Business
Mail Order Business
Internet Based Busines= s
Personal Credi= t Rating:
Excellent
Good
Fair
Poor
How Soon Would= You Like a Merchant Account?


Your info= rmation is confidential, it will not be sold or used for any other purpose,= and you are under no obligation=2E Your information will be used solely for the purpose of evaluating= your business or website for a merchant account so that you may begin acce= pting credit card payments=2E


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