WWI Digest 4116 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Albatros B.I in Vienna was: RE: Updates by KnnthS@aol.com 2) KEMPF color fotos by zbob@att.net 3) Widget by "ZELNICK, KENNETH T" 4) Nie. 17 drawings (Paul Kleinman, Karlstrom, Bergen F. Hardesty) by Rory Goodwin 5) Re: Steve Hustad's in progress by "Brent Theobald" 6) Re: KEMPF color fotos by "Lee M." 7) Re: Some more Local hobby shop finds by "Brent Theobald" 8) Who Emailed Me about Future? by "Brent Theobald" 9) Re: Some more Local hobby shop finds by "ot811" 10) Re: Who Emailed Me about Future? by John_Impenna@hyperion.com 11) Spraying Future by "Tom Plesha" 12) Re: I'm Afraid It's the Aurora Fokker D.VII by Shane Weier 13) Re: Some more Local hobby shop finds by "Brent Theobald" 14) Pin vise help by "ot811" 15) Re: Albatros B.I in Vienna was: RE: Updates by Shane Weier 16) Re: Nie. 17 drawings (Paul Kleinman, Karlstrom, by Mark Miller 17) Re: Albatros B.I in Vienna was: RE: Updates by "Hans Trauner" 18) Re: Pin vise help by "Brian Nicklas" 19) Re: Pin vise help by "ot811" 20) Re: Pin vise help by "Bob Pearson" 21) Re: Albatros B.I in Vienna was: RE: Updates by Mark Miller 22) Re: Pin vise help by "Pedro Soares" 23) Re: Optical Aides by Dennis Ugulano 24) Re: Optical Aides by "ibs4421" 25) Re: Pin vise help by Ray Boorman 26) Re: Optical Aides by Ray Boorman 27) RE: Painting small stuff by "Nigel Rayner" 28) Re: Optical Aides by "Steven Perry" 29) Re: Steve Hustad's in progress by "Steven Perry" 30) RE: R: Steve Hustad's in progress by "Steven Perry" 31) RE: Painting small stuff by PolTexCW@aol.com 32) Re: Optical Aides by Dennis Ugulano 33) RE: Painting small stuff by Shane Weier 34) RE: Painting small stuff by "Steven Perry" 35) Re: Nie. 17 drawings (Paul Kleinman, Karlstrom, by CoolSpadLuke@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:09:01 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Albatros B.I in Vienna was: RE: Updates Message-ID: <49.178ce027.298717ed@aol.com> Hans: << The guard on duty looked like if he will shoot me if I do. >> Promise him a 48 DML D7 next time and get Shane to forward it. (sorry Shane, just brokering a tho't here...) ...wives....when will they ever learn that air museums are "Where It's At"....? btw: thank you Hans, regardless of interior those are great shots! Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:11:09 +0000 From: zbob@att.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: KEMPF color fotos Message-ID: <20020128211111.EMNL28721.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> I have the Nov 1982 issue of Model ART (all Japanese) with six color photos of KEMPF (213/17) plus a couple more b/w showing construction of a model - and its available! ! ! at 6 dollars plus shipping. Any interest?? Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:12:54 -0600 From: "ZELNICK, KENNETH T" To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Widget Message-ID: <15888960D28CD211AD1900105A24907803EC956A@ano-exs02.ano.entergy.com> My bad. It should be http://www.widgetsupply.com HTH, kz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:44:21 -0800 From: Rory Goodwin To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Nie. 17 drawings (Paul Kleinman, Karlstrom, Bergen F. Hardesty) Message-ID: <3C55C635.67089688@earthlink.net> Any comments on accuracy? I'm using these as the basis for my Hobbycraft Nieuport project. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:39:49 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Steve Hustad's in progress Message-ID: Howdy! >Seems there may be some lingering resentment over your arm twisting, >Matt. >:-) I don't know if I should be pleased or annoyed that I didn't receive this attention. I have pestered Ken about posting those too.... Email him and ask him how *his* Gotha is coming along. Later! Brent _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:44:47 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: KEMPF color fotos Message-ID: <3C55C64F.BEBFC850@x25.net> Osprey Aircraft of the Aces #40.. Page 56 Black and white photo Kempf 493/17 There are a few others in the same photo. Not the best photo in the world. Better than none at all. Lee M. zbob@att.net wrote: > > I have the Nov 1982 issue of Model ART (all Japanese) > with six color photos of KEMPF (213/17) plus a couple > more b/w showing construction of a model - and its > available! ! ! at 6 dollars plus shipping. Any > interest?? Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:43:23 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Some more Local hobby shop finds Message-ID: Howdy! >- 2 copies of Eduard 1:48 Werner Voss Pfalz D.III, missing the engine sprue >in both kits (!!) everything else looks okay, usd 15 and 18 (???) That sounds kinda steep to me when the Pfalz has been available new for $15-$18. Maybe $10, or less, would be reasonable. >- Eduard 1:48 Fokker E.III, box has decals and half of one sprue (missing >pe, engine, and 1.5 sprue). usd 5 What's that good for? :-) Have a good one and keep us updated. Brent _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:48:24 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Who Emailed Me about Future? Message-ID: I forgot who asked me this question off-list, so I'll answer it on-list and hope it gets to you. Your Problem as Remembered: Shooting Future thru the airbrush, thinned with windshield wiper fluid; pooling along traling edge. My Advice: 1. Stop spraying Future. It brushes on nicely and you don't have to clean the airbrush. 1a. If you just have to use the airbrush don't thin Future. I never used to and it wasn't a problem. As I recall windshield wiper fluid, or amonia, doesn't thin Future. Instead it breaks it down. 2. Your coats are too thick. That is causing the pooling. If you need more help feel free to contact me again. Brent _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:03:15 -0500 From: "ot811" To: Subject: Re: Some more Local hobby shop finds Message-ID: <01de01c1a847$9a169480$0800010a@cyberelan.com> Hi Brent, I am just reporting what I saw. I have no idea if any of this stuff is over-priced or under-priced, common as sense or rare as bit. If the kit looks OT, and is in a faded old box, and I happens to spot it, I reports it. And I agree that the fok E.III is grossly overpriced. regards SSH ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:06:39 -0500 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Who Emailed Me about Future? Message-ID: Hi Folks, Brent says:>>1a. If you just have to use the airbrush don't thin Future. I never used to and it wasn't a problem. As I recall windshield wiper fluid, or amonia, doesn't thin Future. Instead it breaks it down.<< Can anyone say what they have found as the "ideal" pressure to spray Future at??? Sometimes I get an almost grainy finish, unless I spray it on pretty heavily. I'll increas pressure or decrease and it stops....I try to mist the Future on, so it might be drying and I just haven't put enough on yet.... Any thoughts???? .By the way, one thing I have found is that Brent is exactly right: don't thin it with washer fluid/windex..Use those for cleaning.....That works real well. Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:28:54 -0500 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: Spraying Future Message-ID: <001701c1a84b$2bb23f40$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com> Hi- FWIW- I thin Future with Poly-S Airbrush Thinner, about 25%-30%. I spray using a pressure of 18 to 20 psi. I clean the airbrush with cheap hardware store laquer thinner. Later Tom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:42:44 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: I'm Afraid It's the Aurora Fokker D.VII Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDADF@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Dave F says: > > > > << More bad news. SAMI lists Revell Fokker as 'ex Aurora > kit' :o((( >> > > > > > More like if SAMI says it's the Aurora, it's definitely not !! > LOL....their track record isn't *perfect* is it.. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:51:32 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Some more Local hobby shop finds Message-ID: Howdy! >I am just reporting what I saw. I have no idea if any of this stuff is >over-priced or under-priced, common as sense or rare as bit. Oops! I thought you were wanting to know if it was a good deal or not. I'd hate for you to spend to much on it. Later! Brent _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:20:30 -0500 From: "ot811" To: "wwi-list" Subject: Pin vise help Message-ID: <021c01c1a852$62ca8a30$0800010a@cyberelan.com> Hi, I am looking for a source of good pin vises for gripping .007 inch guitar wire. The ones usually sold in hobby stores are not fine enough to even hold #80 drill bits. Small Parts Inc. sells a pin vise that is great, but is too expensive ( usd 23 + usd 10 shipping). I am looking for something cheaper. regards SSH ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:20:06 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Albatros B.I in Vienna was: RE: Updates Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDAE1@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Hans: > I don't think so. Of course I will be in Vienna again some > day, but not this year. Even then, > a) my wife's mood decreased in an alarming manner when I only > mentioned > 'Heeresgeschichtliches Museum' on our last visit. We had been > there only 5 times! This is much scarier than... > b) if you look close on the pics you will notice the cordon around the > aircraft. I did not want to climb over it. The guard on duty > looked like if he will shoot me if I do. ..because at least you can try to run away from the guard, but SWMBO is more relentless than the worst cinema bounty hunter! Of course, at the AWM they had guards with a similar attitude but were willing to allow me behind their barriers (under supervision and so long as I promised not to touch) after I'd contacted their public relations office and begged for permission! Which is not to say that all museums would be so forthcoming, but it'd be worth a try if you didn't have to evade Mrs Trauner as well ;-) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jan 2002 15:22:07 -0800 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nie. 17 drawings (Paul Kleinman, Karlstrom, Message-ID: <20020128232207.3946.cpmta@c016.snv.cp.net> On Mon, 28 January 2002, Rory Goodwin wrote: > > Any comments on accuracy? I'm using these as the basis for my Hobbycraft > Nieuport project. > > Thanks. Rory I'm not sure about Kleinman and Karlstrom because I haven't seen them (I think). But the Hardesty plans are pretty good - I checked them against the plans on The Nieuport pages and they match up pretty well. Make sure you check out the photos at the Canada Aviation Museum http://www.aviation.nmstc.ca/Eng/Collection/coll_period.html. Mark Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:26:26 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Albatros B.I in Vienna was: RE: Updates Message-ID: <001701c1a853$34d4d580$b6ad72d4@FRITZweb> Ken, wives and our hobby are a theme for its own. I have just told the best wife of all that we have to re-do all museum tours of the last 10 years, because I have to re-do all photographs with by brand new toy, a digicam. She looked at me with a perfect mixture of 'go playing, child' , ' I'll call those men in white which will take you away' and 'Where are the Yellow Pages telephone book? Need a good divorce lawyer'. Could you understand this? H. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:24:47 -0500 From: "Brian Nicklas" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Pin vise help Message-ID: If the Exacto, Maxon, Xuron types aren't quite fine enough, and Small Parts are too pricey, I'd do a web search for watch-making supplies, or ask the local watchmaker or jeweler what they use, maybe they can get you one cheaper... HTH- Brian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:33:55 -0500 From: "ot811" To: Subject: Re: Pin vise help Message-ID: <022a01c1a854$426132b0$0800010a@cyberelan.com> > If the Exacto, Maxon, Xuron types aren't quite fine enough, Actually, Xuron might be a good idea. I only looked at xacto and mascot, etc. Does anybody with a xuron pin vise check if it will grip .006 inch wire? Never heard of Maxon. Brian, Thanks. SSH ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:35:18 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Pin vise help Message-ID: <101226093001@smtp.vphos.net> Use a pair of needlenose pliers and push the string into a wooden dowel. Then just snip the string about 1/4" long. Works for me Bob ---------- >From: "ot811" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] Pin vise help >Date: Mon, Jan 28, 2002, 3:21 pm > > Hi, I am looking for a source of good pin vises for gripping .007 inch > guitar wire. > The ones usually sold in hobby stores are not fine enough to even hold #80 > drill bits. > Small Parts Inc. sells a pin vise that is great, but is too expensive ( usd > 23 + usd 10 shipping). > I am looking for something cheaper. > regards > SSH ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jan 2002 15:41:20 -0800 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Albatros B.I in Vienna was: RE: Updates Message-ID: <20020128234120.29558.cpmta@c016.snv.cp.net> On Mon, 28 January 2002, "Hans Trauner" wrote: I did not want to climb over it. The guard on duty looked like if he will shoot me if I do. > > Hans Hans Beautiful photos of the B1! I never get exposures that good indoors. Nice work about that guard thing - Try asking - It works amazingly well sometimes Or better yet - Have your wife ask for you. Women have surprising abilities along this line ;-) Mark Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 23:51:20 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: Pin vise help Message-ID: <00d501c1a856$af94c160$107216d5@netcabo.pt> Sanjeev, you might want to check a jeweller and clock repair tool supplier. That's where I get my drill bits and tweezers from. Much cheaper (well not the tweezers, these things are expensive everywhere) than at hobby stores and much better too. HTH Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: ot811 To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 11:21 PM Subject: [WWI] Pin vise help > Hi, I am looking for a source of good pin vises for gripping .007 inch > guitar wire. > The ones usually sold in hobby stores are not fine enough to even hold #80 > drill bits. > Small Parts Inc. sells a pin vise that is great, but is too expensive usd > 23 + usd 10 shipping). > I am looking for something cheaper. > regards > SSH > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:57:45 -0500 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Optical Aides Message-ID: <200201281857_MC3-EFB6-4518@compuserve.com> Warren, Just got in to 100 messages and let me add my 2 cents worth. I have used the Optivisor for almost 20 years and would be lost without it. I have the # 5 lens which gives me all of the magnification I need. It takes a while to get use to it. At first you will bang your visor into your work. But that will pass. Also, don't run across the room with the visor down. Your depth of field is only about 10 inches. The results will be painful. :-) I do not wear my glasses when using my visor. I use my visor for about everything. Removing splinters from fingers, reading the words on the VCR, focusing my digital camera, getting a close up view of certain magazines, etc. I have the plastic version but it is very durable. I recently priced one for my son and found them to be under $30. An excellent product and I could not build what I build without them. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ronnieuggie.com/uggie/dju.htm Page Revised 01/12/2002 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:32:25 -0600 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Re: Optical Aides Message-ID: <003f01c1a85c$6d423e40$903dfad1@dwfjv01> Dennis and Everybody who Responded, Thanks! It does appear that the Opti-Visor is a winner hands down. I think that one of these will go on my birthday wish list, along with lots of kits and books. Not that I will get them all, I am giving SWMBO and the wee bairn (who will pick a fokker tripe) a wide range of choices. Warren ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:27:13 -0800 From: Ray Boorman To: Subject: Re: Pin vise help Message-ID: <20020129002752.VLPS11038.priv-edtnes16-hme0.telusplanet.net@ray> Just a thought, but the pin vise I have, has two collets. One is hidden in the handle. It can grip down way past #80. Its not obvious that there is another collet hidden so try taking the entire pin vise apart. On Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:21:26 -0500 (EST), ot811 wrote: >Hi, I am looking for a source of good pin vises for gripping .007 >inch >guitar wire. > The ones usually sold in hobby stores are not fine enough to even >hold #80 >drill bits. >Small Parts Inc. sells a pin vise that is great, but is too >expensive ( usd >23 + usd 10 shipping). > I am looking for something cheaper. >regards >SSH > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:32:08 -0800 From: Ray Boorman To: Subject: Re: Optical Aides Message-ID: <20020129003521.NHVP20752.priv-edtnes10-hme0.telusplanet.net@ray> On Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:00:33 -0500 (EST), Dennis Ugulano wrote: > I do not wear my glasses when using my visor. I use my >visor for >about everything. Removing splinters from fingers, reading the >words on >the VCR, focusing my digital camera, getting a close up view of >certain >magazines, etc. I have this vision of some modeling geek walking through the local mall literally bumping into all the nice looking young ladies...... Sorry Dennis I couldn't help myself. Ray ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 01:08:50 -0000 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: RE: Painting small stuff Message-ID: <000001c1a861$82b3cc80$983bedc1@w1o0t3> Al said (re painting stuff he couldn't see): >It's the wargamer in me I guess - it's my credo. You've never tried 6mm figures then :-) (or even 2mm....) I use a desk lamp with a built in magnifier (about 2.5x) fitted with a daylight simulation bulb. This works great - lights the workbench and then if I need magnification I just pull the lamp down and flip up the cover over the magnifier. Works really well and you don't have to wear anything on your head - an Optivisor would ruin my hair dahling (although I guess this may not be a concern for some listees....). Bought mine in a store in the UK for around $40 IIRC. Cheers, Nigel R ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:19:44 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Optical Aides Message-ID: <005801c1a863$08e468e0$0fe82341@tampabay.rr.com> > Mike, > Thanks! I checked my Squadron catalog, and so far their price > ($27.96) beats all the other prices I've found hands down. It seems the > over whelming choice of discriminating modelers (i.e: WWI listers) is the > Opti-Visor. A local shop has them for about 20. I can check if there is any interest. sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:22:18 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Steve Hustad's in progress Message-ID: <005e01c1a863$64980e80$0fe82341@tampabay.rr.com> > Well, after much bickering, I was able to get the Twin Cities Aero Historians web master to add Steve Hustad's in progress shots. Check 'em out: > http://www.aerohistorian.com/stevesworkshop.htm > > Most awesome!! Get to gluing that guillotne together Diego. Your services are obviously needed. sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:27:52 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: RE: R: Steve Hustad's in progress Message-ID: <007e01c1a864$2b8336a0$0fe82341@tampabay.rr.com> > > Excellent work, and inspiring, too ! > > Seems like he has a lot of spare time at his disposal....lucky man ! > > > > Alberto Casirati > > > Gee.... look who's talking..... > > > Pedro ;-) We could put Alberto and Steve in a cage and feed them styrene with a stick and they'd still turn out show stoppers. sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:16:44 EST From: PolTexCW@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Painting small stuff Message-ID: <118.b9f7876.2987600c@aol.com> In a message dated 1/28/02 200707, nigel@rosnar.demon.co.uk writes: <> Your hair? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:19:09 -0500 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Optical Aides Message-ID: <200201282119_MC3-EFBE-714F@compuserve.com> Ray, >> literally bumping into all the nice looking young ladies...... Sorry Dennis I couldn't help myself. << I did leave myself open for that one but that is one area I did not think to use the visor. "Oh, I'm so sorry. I did not see you until I got ...... leaving the rest to your imagination. Uggie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:22:30 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Painting small stuff Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDAE4@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> > > >Works really well and you don't have to wear anything on your > >head - an Optivisor would ruin my hair ... . Bought mine in > >a store in the UK for around $40 IIRC. > > Your hair? LOL... if he can get hair for that I'm in the market ! Shane > ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:27:43 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: RE: Painting small stuff Message-ID: <00ca01c1a86c$885b3e60$0fe82341@tampabay.rr.com> > < head - an Optivisor would ruin my hair ... . Bought mine in a store in the > UK for > around $40 IIRC.>> > > Your hair? Whazat? I wear my Opti-Visor so much that I have several times gone to the store on an errand and forgot it was on. Got in the shower with it on once too. Ever alert to style related "embarasments", BvB usually catches me. It's only when I run about without adult supervision that I get into trouble. sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:02:47 EST From: CoolSpadLuke@aol.com To: Subject: Re: Nie. 17 drawings (Paul Kleinman, Karlstrom, Message-ID: <128.b8bf23f.29876ad8@aol.com> Hi Mark, When you speak of the Nieuport pages, are you talking about the Windsock DF drawings? Until recently, I considered the DF drawings as the benchmark. When inspired by Steve Perry's IM build of Luke's SPAD XIII, having the same kit, I charged into it. The top wing has to be trimmed to reflect the later version. I had the datafile drawings in 1:48, all I had to do was enlarge them by 171% on a copier. I placed the upper wing on the enlarged drawings, marked off the excess and cut it off each end. Then, it occurred to me the lower wing looked kinda silly being longer than the upper. Then, doing what I should have done initially, I took the upper wing span specs, converted them to 1:48 and found that my copy of the DF drawings were short. Magnify this by 1.71 and there is a considerable difference. So, I filed and sanded the lower wing down to some sort of compatibility with the upper and am building a stub-winged version of Luke's aircraft. Mike Kavanaugh In a message dated Mon, 28 Jan 2002 6:24:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, Mark Miller writes: > > Rory > I'm not sure about Kleinman and Karlstrom because I haven't seen them (I think). > But the Hardesty plans are pretty good - I checked them against the plans on The Nieuport pages and they match up pretty well. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4116 **********************