WWI Digest 4110
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Batch of Models at Local Shop
by "John & Allison Cyganowski"
2) Re: Revell DVII
by "John & Allison Cyganowski"
3) Re: AmGryph
by "John & Allison Cyganowski"
4) Re: Batch of Models at Local Shop
by "Brent Theobald"
5) Re: Help w/ Fokker Dr.1
by "robert owens"
6) Another administrative announcement
by "Matt Bittner"
7) Me thinks something is wrong....
by "Pedro Soares"
8) Reissue questions?
by Rory Goodwin
9) Re: Reissue questions?
by KarrArt@aol.com
10) Re: I'm Afraid It's the Aurora Fokker D.VII
by "David's Mail Lists"
11) Re: I'm Afraid It's the Aurora Fokker D.VII
by Shane Weier
12) Vacform building
by Shane Weier
13) Re: Me thinks something is wrong....
by "Ross Moorhouse"
14) ±±¾©ÈýÐǼ¶¾Æµê168Ôª
by ctrl@365holiday.net
15) You sent potentially unsafe content: ±±¾©ÈýÐǼ¶¾Æµê168Ôª
by "security@vonet.lu"
16) Re: Vacform building
by David Fleming
17) Re: Revell DVII
by David Fleming
18) a virus has been send to the list
by "Gaston Graf"
19) Re: Vacform building
by Shane Weier
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Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:54:46 -0500
From: "John & Allison Cyganowski"
To:
Subject: Re: Batch of Models at Local Shop
Message-ID: <002c01c1a6bc$7431ae80$6539183f@cyrixp166>
This wouldn't be Bill Bacon's kits would they?
Cyg.
----- Original Message -----
From: Brent Theobald
To: Multiple recipients of list
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 3:04 PM
Subject: [WWI] Batch of Models at Local Shop
> Howdy Gang,
>
> I went and perused a collection of models earlier in the week. It was a
sad
> illustration of what happens to an avid modeler/collector's stash after
> he/she passes away. In this case the poor widow was left with 6 large
pickup
> truck loads of kits (obviously not all were OT). If the shop knows her
well
> I might give her one of the kits once I complete it. I don't know if she'd
> appreciate it or not. I never know how to handle bereaved people....
>
> Anyhow, the collection is so large that the proprieters haven't had a
chance
> to go thru and price everything. I went thru and selected what I might be
> interested in if the price was right. I thought I'd list some of the other
> items in case some of you were interested. Some of this stuff is
relatively
> hard to find. There are multiples of many of these. There is more I didn't
> see or remember.
>
> If there is something you are looking for let me know off list. I'll look
> again when I go back next week.
>
> I have know association with this company. If you would like to call them
> they are MAL Hobbies, Irving Texas (972) 438-9233
>
> Happy hunting,
>
> Brent
>
> ========================================================================
>
> Meikraft:
> Albatros C.III (nice decals)
> Albatros D.I/D.II (nice decals)
>
> Merlin:
> Junkers J.I (not too bad, but thick trailing edges)
> Halberstadt D.II (actually quite nice)
>
> Airfix:
> it looked like he had several of all the old OT kits. Original boxes too.
>
> Pegasus:
> Salmson
> Albatros C.III
> LVG C.VI
> Halberstadt Cl.II
>
> Formaplane:
> Fredrichshaven G.III (buildable - but not as good as the Sierra Scale or
> Modelbud kits)
> Halberstadt Cl.II (nice kits - probably as easy as the Pegasus kit and
lots
> cheaper)
> Rumpler C.VI (?) (floatplane - looks pretty good)
>
> Eagle Talon
> Hansa-Brandenburg C.I (nice kit - I've built one)
>
> Eastern Express:
> Morane Salnier (I forget which one - mid wing monoplane)
>
> Aurora
> All the old ones - even the Breguet (sp?) and the 1/32 or 1/28 D.VII
>
> Classic Plane
> DFW C.V
>
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Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 18:00:33 -0500
From: "John & Allison Cyganowski"
To:
Subject: Re: Revell DVII
Message-ID: <003a01c1a6bd$43195d10$6539183f@cyrixp166>
DML have really stepped back from aircraft - period. They sold the molds
for the Ju-88A4 to Revellogram. They did release the JU-88C6. Ed Sexton -
a big mugwump at Revellogram spoke at the IPMS97 in Dayton. He claimed that
the castings were only a very small cost of producing a kit. I think DML is
just not into investing in the promotion of aircraft kits.
Cyg.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sandy Adam
To: Multiple recipients of list
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 12:58 PM
Subject: [WWI] Revell DVII
> Sounds like the DML kit to me - but can anybody expalin to me why DML
would
> sell/ anybody would buy, only the one kit from the set of 4 that DML did?
> ie - would you not sell/buy the Dr1, DVII, DVIII & Spad as a group?
>
> I know that Hasegawa had the DVII mould for a time, but it defeats me that
> any company would do a deal on one WWI plane and not the rest. Of course
why
> Revell are doing the SE5 but omitting the cleaned up Aurora Camel is
equally
> incomprehensible! I wonder why they never cleaned up the Bebe ( & the Dr1
> and Albatros) at the same time - the Bebe was a reasonable kit to start
> with!
>
> Eternal thanks to a sensible company like Eduard - and please make the
> Camel, SE5/5a soon!
> Sandy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 18:03:10 -0500
From: "John & Allison Cyganowski"
To:
Subject: Re: AmGryph
Message-ID: <004b01c1a6bd$a0900f70$6539183f@cyrixp166>
Those Revellogram SE5as are strange birds. You would be happier with the BM
offering or waiting for the Eduard.
Dying for a CS SE5 - not the "a",
Cyg.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sandy Adam
To: Multiple recipients of list
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 12:58 PM
Subject: [WWI] AmGryph
> Anybody know if Americal can accept PayPal? Has Dr Merrill an e-address to
> ask?
> thanks
> Sandy
>
> (Fancying buying a stack of Revell SE5a's to build as 56 Squadron doing a
> scramble!!!!)
>
>
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Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:10:44 +0000
From: "Brent Theobald"
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Batch of Models at Local Shop
Message-ID:
Howdy!
>This wouldn't be Bill Bacon's kits would they?
I cannot remember the name on many of the envelopes that I saw. I don't
think it was Bill Bacon. My mind tells me it's a "W" name. Warren or
Waldo...
I'll let you know next week for sure.
Marc Flake may know.
Later!
Brent
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Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:34:08 -0600
From: "robert owens"
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Help w/ Fokker Dr.1
Message-ID:
Probably clear doped linen, but don't forget triangular-shaped wood fairing
panel which fairs circular nose to flat-sided fuselage. It is very visible
inside cockpit. suggest you cut it from thin veneer (I used wood which is
wrapped inside some cigar tubes (but,then, I also smoke 'em). Check out
www.kithobbyist.com/largescaleplanes/articles for a BEAUTIFULLY rendered
Dr.1. Also www.wwi-models.org/Photos/Ger/Fok_EV for a good idea of what the
interior would look like (loose the lozenge fabric, and the Dr.1/E.V guts
are very similar). Good Luck.
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Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:40:17 -0600
From: "Matt Bittner"
To: "wwi@wwi-models.org"
Subject: Another administrative announcement
Message-ID:
I know I have said this before, so my apologies for those who
keep seeing me type it. However, it appears that it still must
be said.
Please, people. When you send me or Al images,
pleasepleaseplease do *not* include spaces in the filenames. I
know Windows allows one to do so, but Unix doesn't like them that
much within the filename. If you want to separate "logic" within
a filename, then either use a dash ('-') or an underscore ('_').
While I prefer underscores - since I'm a born and bred programmer
:-) - it doesn't matter which type.
Believe it or not, fixing spaces in filenames actually takes
longer than creating thumbnails. I have to go in, "by hand", and
replace all the spaces with underscores.
This will help us with additions to the site.
Matt Bittner
WW1 Modeling Page
Assistant Editor
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Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 01:55:15 -0000
From: "Pedro Soares"
To:
Subject: Me thinks something is wrong....
Message-ID: <000b01c1a6d5$aa8d0ce0$107216d5@netcabo.pt>
Guys,
Last message I received from The List was dated 25-01-02, 19h20.
Today I've sent the Review command to wwi-request, but go no answer back.
Just cheked the archives and I've seen it seems all is up and running and
there are messages posted later than the above date....
Could someone let me know (off list, of course) if this is happening only to
me...
Thanks
Pedro
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Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 18:16:45 -0800
From: Rory Goodwin
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Reissue questions?
Message-ID: <3C53630D.D855371C@earthlink.net>
If Hobbycraft Camel = Academy Minicraft (?) reissue, did they clean up
the wings? Looking at the builtup kit photos on the side of the box,
they look distinctly different from the starved horse Hobbycraft
version.
Also, what's different about the Smer vs. Monogram SE5a besides the
decals?
TIA
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Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:41:24 EST
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Reissue questions?
Message-ID:
In a message dated 1/26/02 6:12:29 PM Pacific Standard Time,
rorygood@earthlink.net writes:
<<
Also, what's different about the Smer vs. Monogram SE5a besides the
decals?
TIA >>
Right off the top of my head, the immediate thing I can think of that's nice
is the amazing radiator and nose corrections on the Aurorevelogram....still
has screwy rib locations, but in general, an overall cleanup by Monogram when
they got the molds in 2375BC. Still a lot of work to do, especially around
the tail surfaces, but nonetheless, a few notches above the Smer/Merit copy
of the original Aurora.
RK
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Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:46:07 -0600
From: "David's Mail Lists"
To:
Subject: Re: I'm Afraid It's the Aurora Fokker D.VII
Message-ID: <002001c1a6e5$27b1a640$0100a8c0@Jeanne>
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I saw a picture of the D/VII on the Revell German Page.
It does not appear to be the DML kit. :(
It has a pilot figure, oversized guns and thick struts, a' la Aurora....
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Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:07:04 +1000
From: Shane Weier
To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'"
Subject: Re: I'm Afraid It's the Aurora Fokker D.VII
Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDACB@mimhexch1.mim.com.au>
David says:
>
> I saw a picture of the D/VII on the Revell German Page.
>
> It does not appear to be the DML kit. :(
>
> It has a pilot figure, oversized guns and thick struts, a' la
> Aurora....
FWIW you *can't* post attachments here, including photos......
Better you post the link, since I've looked at the www.revell.de several
times in the last week, and again this morning without seeing the D.VII at
all
Shane
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Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:27:14 +1000
From: Shane Weier
To: "'wwim'"
Subject: Vacform building
Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDACC@mimhexch1.mim.com.au>
Hi all,
Ted Taylor (at one time a writer for SMI)has posted this usefull beginners
guide to Vacform building. It's written by John Adams - Mr Aeroclub - so
it's well worth reading.
http://www.scale-model-aircraft.freeserve.co.uk/vac-form-text/page-10-sma.ht
ml
The only thing that peeves me is that the Sandvik tools he prefers seem to
not be available anywhere in Oz. Back to my #80 grit sandpaper....
Shane
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Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:45:51 +1100
From: "Ross Moorhouse"
To:
Subject: Re: Me thinks something is wrong....
Message-ID: <002701c1a6fe$42fd8720$3b482dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au>
Well I was bumped off the list once this week and then had to ack myself on
the list twice to get my messages to the list to come to me as well. Think
its just one of those weeks that the planets line up funny and mailing lists
howl at the moon. ;-)
Cheers
Ross
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pedro Soares"
To: "Multiple recipients of list"
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 12:56 PM
Subject: [WWI] Me thinks something is wrong....
> Guys,
>
> Last message I received from The List was dated 25-01-02, 19h20.
>
> Today I've sent the Review command to wwi-request, but go no answer back.
> Just cheked the archives and I've seen it seems all is up and running and
> there are messages posted later than the above date....
>
> Could someone let me know (off list, of course) if this is happening only
to
> me...
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Pedro
>
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Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:46:11 +0000
From: David Fleming
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Vacform building
Message-ID: <3C53E883.7D91D8CA@dial.pipex.com>
Shane Weier wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Ted Taylor (at one time a writer for SMI)has posted this usefull beginners
> guide to Vacform building. It's written by John Adams - Mr Aeroclub - so
> it's well worth reading.
>
> http://www.scale-model-aircraft.freeserve.co.uk/vac-form-text/page-10-sma.ht
> ml
>
You can get a pdf copy of John's vac guide on the Aeroclub site.
>
> The only thing that peeves me is that the Sandvik tools he prefers seem to
> not be available anywhere in Oz. Back to my #80 grit sandpaper....
It doesn't seem to be available here in the UK anymore either, not even from
John. I've had 2 different sizes for about 10 years, great tool, never needed a
replacement film (yet!!). It uses a steel abrasive surface rather than a grit
based one. Maybe one of our Scandinavian listees could tell us if the tool/films
are still available there ?
dave
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Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:50:29 +0000
From: David Fleming
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Revell DVII
Message-ID: <3C53E984.E49B7541@dial.pipex.com>
The story I heard, and this is hearsay, is that DML DVII mould went to Hasegawa,
and it's Hasegawa that Revell de have bought a load of lits from. that would
explain the apparent price diff between the two WW1 kits due this year(£8 for
the SE, £15 for the Fokker)
This gets intruiging.
dave
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Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:14:36 +1000
From: Shane Weier
To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'"
Subject: Re: Vacform building
Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDACD@mimhexch1.mim.com.au>
Dave says:
>> It's written by John Adams - Mr Aeroclub - so
>> it's well worth reading.
> >
>
> You can get a pdf copy of John's vac guide on the Aeroclub site.
Hot damn. Yes, you can too and I'd forgotten all about it. Still really well
worth reading.
>> The only thing that peeves me is that the Sandvik tools he prefers seem
to
>> not be available anywhere in Oz.
>It uses a steel abrasive surface rather than a grit
>based one.
I've read descriptions but never seen one in a pic close enough to see just
what it's like. I *imagine* something like a Sureform (sp?) plane which has
a replacable thin metal plate with a grid pattern of tiny cutting blades
something like those on a food grater. I use a small one (palm sized) to
shape wood when trying to rough out larger size patterns but it'd be far too
coarse to work on a vacform shell. The Sanvik however....
Shane
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