WWI Digest 4103 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Pfalz Choices by "robert owens" 2) RE: Pfalz Choices by "Pedro N. Soares" 3) RE: French "beige" by Crawford Neil 4) Re: Unconnected ailerons - was: control surface positioning by "Lee M." 5) RE: Pfalz Choices by Volker Haeusler 6) Re: Pfalz Choices by "Michael Kendix" 7) RE: Pfalz Choices by "Pedro N. Soares" 8) Hobbycraft kits by "ZELNICK, KENNETH T" 9) Re: Roden D.VII on Hyperscale by "Brent Theobald" 10) Re: Unconnected ailerons - was: control surface positioning by Volker Haeusler 11) RE: control surface positioning by Crawford Neil 12) Re: WW1 Model Gallery by "Tom Plesha" 13) RE: Pfalz Choices by "Graham Hunter" 14) RE: Pfalz Choices by Crawford Neil 15) RE: Pfalz Choices by "ibs4421" 16) RE: Pfalz Choices by "Michael Kendix" 17) RE: Pfalz Choices by "ibs4421" 18) OT SAM ot bipe by PetersList@aol.com 19) RE: Pfalz Choices by "Michael Kendix" 20) RE: Pfalz Choices by "ibs4421" 21) Speaking of Pfalzes A real surpise in a package by Volker Haeusler 22) RE: Pfalz Choices by "Pedro N. Soares" 23) Re: Roden D.VII on Hyperscale by tbittners@sprintmail.com 24) RE: Pfalz Choices by Volker Haeusler 25) back with news by "Gaston Graf" 26) Re: back with news by PetersList@aol.com 27) R: back with news by a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it 28) Re: back with news by "Lee M." 29) Re: Unconnected ailerons - was: control surface positioning by "Lee M." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:16:34 -0600 From: "robert owens" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Pfalz Choices Message-ID: Warren, am in progress of chopping up n.17 wings to do a Bebe (in 1/32 though). I cut ribs from 5 thou sheet and used multiple coats of thick model master enamel to fair the ribs into the skin, sanding w 600 grit parallel to the ribs. Followed with coat of white sandable primer and rubbed down to ribs w/ faux steel wool. upper wing ribs will need another white primer/rub out step, but lowers and elevator rudder turned out really well (the Hobbycraft tubing detail on tail looks like steel strip reinforcement out of the box) hope this helps Rob Owens _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:01:33 -0000 From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Pfalz Choices Message-ID: <12AEB3D996DDD311B98A00508B6D75B301383474@TUFAO> I am also having to pick out what I want for my birthday today. Hehehehehehe. Warren Happy birthday to you, Happy birthday to you........... May your ribs be straight for many more long years to come... Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:17:03 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: French "beige" Message-ID: Here's my old mail to Jim Landon about mixing 5-colour. Incidentally I guess Jim is probably the person in the world who knows most about this at present, since he's been doing some heavy research for his Salmson. I used these mixes on my Spad 16, on the Spad 12 I'm working on now, I've used equal parts of Humbrol 62 and 28, and a dash of 76(green) for the beige, so I'm closer to the Windsock paint-chips. Also added a little yellow and white to the light green. No particular reason, I just felt like a change, and I don't believe the workmen in the various factories were anywhere near as careful as we are. /Neil C. I looked up my paint references, they were Windsock no.3 and 4 -88 (volume 4) and Windsock 1-99 (vol.15). The first are paint samples that are now regarded as doubtful, and the second is an article by Alberto Casirati about the Ni28, he gives Molak paint numbers. I read both articles then did my own thing, I actually based my colours on the FMP book French aircraft of WW1 - Davilla/Soltan, I reckoned thats the latest trend in french colours, being the newest. Here's my version: Methuen acc. to Windsock My paint mix ------------------------ -------------- Light Green 3E4, 2E4 Humbrol 86 Chestnut Brown 5E3, 5E4 , 6F5 1XRevell 383 (RAL8015) 1XHumbrol 142 Dark Green 29F4, 2F4 Humbrol 86 + black Beige 4C5,5D5 (I don't believe this) 3XHumbrol 62 2XHumbrol 28 1XHumbrol 86 Black Black I don't usually write up my mixes, I did it this time to correct the faults in WIndsock, I think their beige is much too light. I'm not at all scientific or dogmatic about this, I just mix till I think it looks right, and I hope you will do the same. > -----Original Message----- > From: Rory Goodwin [mailto:rorygood@earthlink.net] > Sent: den 24 januari 2002 13:03 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] RE: French "beige" > > > I'd settle for a rage of FS numbers. > > Matt Bittner wrote: > > > On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:10:13 -0500 (EST), Tomasz Gronczewski > > wrote: > > > > > For me it looks nice ;o) Just like on my finished Hanriot (Humbrol > > > 187) > > > > Any body have Humbrol and Polly Scale to compare? What about > > Humbrol and MisterKit? Just to check Alberto's references... ;-) > > > > Matt Bittner > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:27:14 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Unconnected ailerons - was: control surface positioning Message-ID: <3C5027D2.8F727051@x25.net> Almost forgot to mention. The 1911 Farman aileron only moved "downward". The mounting point is a flat surfaced spar and the hinge is at the bottom. Air flow holds the aileron up as far as it can move, and, the cable connect to horns on the bottom of the ailerons. A vertical cable segment goes to the upper unit. So when left comes down, right cable goes slack, and vice versa. There are no horns on the top of the ailerons since they can not move up at all!! The main cables run below the wings and aileron control on this plane is with a wheel device and not right/left stick movement. "Lee M." wrote: > > A number of early aircraft had a system where the ailerons were "pulled" > into position for control. They were held in a neutral position by the > movement of air across the wings as the plane moved faster. > > The right and left ailerons were not connected together in a > co-ordinated manner > > Pulling the cables on one side, of the aileron" caused the opposing > cable to just hang slack in flight. When parked both ailerons hung down > and the cables for downward motion hung down below the wings. > > I have a photo of a parked (1911)Farman (flyable)replica that I can sent > to you. Let me know if you want it. I have it located and ready > anytime. About 33.2 KB > > Lee M. > New Braunfels, Tx > > Volker Häusler wrote: > > > > As I'm still recovering from the mail blackout of the last few days (curtesy > > of my ISP), I might ask something that was already discussed in this thread: > > > > I noticed that a number of aircraft, especially some early Farmans or some > > of their German counterparts (like the Euler and Otto pushers) show a common > > phenomenon: > > > > Usually, the ailerons of aircrft are "logically connected" when on the > > ground - either they're flat, or one is up and the other one down. > > > > Now for the aircraft in question, ground photos show *both* ailerons hanging > > straight down, and a 90 deg angle - obviously dropping there by their own > > weight. I always interpreted that as a consequence of the ailerons not being > > connected, and being activated through a somewhat different > > method/mechanism. Any idea how this worked in reality? Or maybe: were these > > ailerons only disconnected on the ground, and were they reconnected for the > > flight? > > > > Volker ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:44:56 +0800 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Pfalz Choices Message-ID: Well, then: Happy Birthday, Warren AND Pedro! Wishing you more kits than you can build and the time to build them all... Volker -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Pedro N. Soares Sent: 24 January 2002 23:18 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] RE: Pfalz Choices I am also having to pick out what I want for my birthday today. Hehehehehehe. Warren Happy birthday to you, Happy birthday to you........... May your ribs be straight for many more long years to come... Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:27:28 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Pfalz Choices Message-ID: >From: "ibs4421" >What is your opinion on the Roden Pfalz D.III versus the Mac Pfalz >D.III? >I know that one of them has a seam down the fuselage that is >next to >impossible to erradicate, but I can't remember which one it >is. TIA for >your help. Warren: I built both the Pfalz D.III and D.IIIa for Internet Modeler, however, since I had built them, I didn't bother buying the Roden versions. I'm not sure about the seam business but there is an issue with the lower wing-to-fuselage connexion with the MAC kits. The MAC kits are quite decent and in my view superior to the Roden kits but as I say, I've only seen the Roden kits in the box. The Roden kits are usually a lot less expensive, so you have to make up your own mind where you stand on the quality-price trade-off spectrum. In my view, the MAC kit is worth the extra $7: if you're going to spend a month making a kit, it seems reasonable to put in an extra $7. I won't go into a detailed view of the MAC kits here since you can read the details on the Internet Modeler web site. http://www.internetmodeler.com/2001/april/aviation/Pfalz.htm and http://www.internetmodeler.com/2000/nov2000/aviation/pfalz.htm Michael _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:29:30 -0000 From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Pfalz Choices Message-ID: <12AEB3D996DDD311B98A00508B6D75B3013834D8@TUFAO> Hey Volker, Thanks for your wishes, I'll be hiolding them back for a couple of months though since March is my month. Warren is the guy who's buying the round today. Pedro -----Original Message----- From: Volker Haeusler [mailto:haeusler@tm.net.my] Sent: quinta-feira, 24 de Janeiro de 2002 15:28 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] RE: Pfalz Choices Well, then: Happy Birthday, Warren AND Pedro! Wishing you more kits than you can build and the time to build them all... Volker -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Pedro N. Soares Sent: 24 January 2002 23:18 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] RE: Pfalz Choices I am also having to pick out what I want for my birthday today. Hehehehehehe. Warren Happy birthday to you, Happy birthday to you........... May your ribs be straight for many more long years to come... Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:35:30 -0600 From: "ZELNICK, KENNETH T" To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Hobbycraft kits Message-ID: <15888960D28CD211AD1900105A24907803EC9558@ano-exs02.ano.entergy.com> Chris, I can't speak about either the DR1 or the Camel, but I'm working on a SPAD XIII right now, and it doesn't have any of the circular marks to which you refer. In my opinion, it is molded quite well. I have some scans of the parts still on the sprue at home. If you like I can send them to you this evening. Are you referring to ejector pin marks, or something else? Regards, Ken Zelnick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:35:52 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Roden D.VII on Hyperscale Message-ID: Howdy! Yup, that was a surprise. I sent the same pics to Bob Pearson last night(first actually). I figured I'd finish the text of the review for him today. Since I was in a picture sending mood I sent them to Brett Green too. He has a 4 to 6 week lead time, so I figured it would post at least a month after the IM review went up. Imagine my surprise when I find messages in my mailbox this morning complimenting my Fokker. Brett must have posted them within 6 hours of my sending them. Luckily I couldn't find my detail pictures to send last night. I'll make sure those only go to IM. Also, I have a lozenge comparison for the IM article that won't appear on HS. Sorry Bob. Snafu. Hey Matt, I thought I sent them to you too along with Max Nather's Albatros? Why haven't you posted them yet? Brent _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:46:39 +0800 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Unconnected ailerons - was: control surface positioning Message-ID: Thanks, Lee - there seems nothing the list does not know (any tips on this weekends lucky numbers, anybody?) Volker "Lee M." wrote: > > A number of early aircraft had a system where the ailerons were "pulled" > into position for control. They were held in a neutral position by the > movement of air across the wings as the plane moved faster. > snip ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:40:48 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: control surface positioning Message-ID: Just to say, that I looked through a load of Spad photos, and about 60% had down elevator, 39% level, and 1% up elevator. The one with the elevator up had the pilot outside the aircraft. So I applied a downward bending force to my Spad 12 elevator. /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:45:02 -0500 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: Re: WW1 Model Gallery Message-ID: <005701c1a4ee$163c3220$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com> Warren asks: > What is Pobjoy? An Aircraft engine Later Tom ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:44:42 -0600 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: RE: Pfalz Choices Message-ID: <000001c1a4ee$0c868a00$770101c0@ghunter> Warren, I'd ignore both the Mac and Roden Pfalzies and go with the excellent Eduard kit. Of that's because it is in the right scale :-) Diving into cloud cover, Graham ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:48:08 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Pfalz Choices Message-ID: I'd avoid all of them, and build a Spad! /Neil C. diving into a different cloud > Warren, I'd ignore both the Mac and Roden Pfalzies and go > with the excellent > Eduard kit. Of that's because it is in the right scale :-) > > Diving into cloud cover, Graham > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:51:23 -0600 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: RE: Pfalz Choices Message-ID: <002101c1a4ee$fa1a8be0$903dfad1@dwfjv01> > I am also having to pick out what I want for my birthday today. > Hehehehehehe. > > Warren > > > Happy birthday to you, Happy birthday to you........... > > May your ribs be straight for many more long years to come... > > Pedro > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:49:16 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Pfalz Choices Message-ID: Upon re-reading Volkers write-up, I must confess to be swayed somewhat, though not entirely towards the Roden kits. My articles in Internet Modeler were proceeded by another author's in-box review, so I didn't really look carefully at the various accuracy questions - maybe I should have since I did buy the Datafile for the D.IIIa. Besides, the Roden kits weren't available at the time to me so it was a case of build it or do the Warbirds vac kit. I am not arguing with any of Volkers assesment regarding accuracy or ease of fit. The primary advantage of the MAC kit is the quality of the mold - to which Volker refers - the molding is far crisper and clean. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:53:10 -0600 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: RE: Pfalz Choices Message-ID: <002501c1a4ef$39b6b9e0$903dfad1@dwfjv01> > Happy birthday to you, Happy birthday to you........... > > May your ribs be straight for many more long years to come... > > Pedro Pedro, Thanks, but I'm just picking what I want for my birthday. SWMBO told me to make a list of OT items and she would see what she could do. What a great lady, eh? Warren ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:50:58 EST From: PetersList@aol.com To: wwi@mustang.sr.unh.edu Subject: OT SAM ot bipe Message-ID: <124.aab0fd9.29818762@aol.com> Popped into my local plastic pusher in hopes of the EI-EII Datafile but no luck. I did pick up two things though. February SAM has a build article for the AJP Caudron GIII and a drawing in the manly scale. Just a GA so no sections, but it's not the kind of subject that suffers for the lack and the build article is a handy reference in itself. Got an ot biplane while I was at it; the MPM Ki-86 Cypress. It has resin and etch and I don't know how they can knock it out at under ten quid. Mine will be a Bucker. cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:54:16 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Pfalz Choices Message-ID: >From: "Graham Hunter" > >Warren, I'd ignore both the Mac and Roden Pfalzies and go with the > >excellent Eduard kit. Of that's because it is in the right scale :-) Seriously, most anything Eduard issues these days is the best WWI stuff. However, the Phönix DI and D.II kits were excellent and were pushing towards the Eduard level in terms of clean moldings etc. Of course, I may be blindsided by the possibility that these are re-releases of older molds (Volker?) but hopefully not this time. The MAC choice to release Fokker D.VII's though is a mystery to me. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:58:17 -0600 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: RE: Pfalz Choices Message-ID: <004b01c1a4ef$f09f5f40$903dfad1@dwfjv01> Graham, I thought I would risk messing up some of the smaller ones before I tackle the big ones I have stashed in the closet. 8^) Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Hunter" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 9:45 AM Subject: [WWI] RE: Pfalz Choices > Warren, I'd ignore both the Mac and Roden Pfalzies and go with the excellent > Eduard kit. Of that's because it is in the right scale :-) > > Diving into cloud cover, Graham > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:14:46 +0800 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Speaking of Pfalzes A real surpise in a package Message-ID: I received today a rather substantial package (actually 2, weighing 30 kg - *don´t* ask for the postage) with books I ordered via abebooks. While the majority is ot (a complete set of the "World Airpower Journal"), I also got a small gem that I actually negotiated as a free inclusion on the main order: "Pfalz - the first detailled story of the company and its famous planes" by Peter Grosz and Egon Krueger. I thought that I would not find anything interesting in that book, having received (also via abebooks and for only 10 US $!) the FMP Pfaly book last year, but I was wrong: First, there is a photo of a Pfalz rotary engine biplane of 1915 (modified from a Pfalz A type parasol) that I had *never* seen before - I am quite sure it´s neither in the FMP book nor in the Gray/Thetford Putnam book. Second, a photo of the early variant of the D 4 scout, that was also new to me (again, I can´t remember seeing that in the FMP book, but I did not really check) Finally, factory drawings of the D III, as well as the Typenpruefung drawings and data for the D VII, D VIII, D XII, D XIV and Dr I. All in all a great little booklet (of some 20 or so pages only) - I´m just amazed how far the knowledge was already advanced in the early 60ties, when this book was written. Volker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:56:12 -0000 From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Pfalz Choices Message-ID: <12AEB3D996DDD311B98A00508B6D75B30138352E@TUFAO> Warren, Ok, but that won't get you from paying us all a round for misleading us into thinking Today was The Day :-) Pedro P.S. Yes, your lady is a treasure. -----Original Message----- From: ibs4421 [mailto:ibs4421@commandnet.net] Sent: quinta-feira, 24 de Janeiro de 2002 15:52 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] RE: Pfalz Choices > Happy birthday to you, Happy birthday to you........... > > May your ribs be straight for many more long years to come... > > Pedro Pedro, Thanks, but I'm just picking what I want for my birthday. SWMBO told me to make a list of OT items and she would see what she could do. What a great lady, eh? Warren ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:01:04 -0500 (EST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Roden D.VII on Hyperscale Message-ID: <20020124160104.649854682D@eclipse.qis.net> On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:36:51 -0500 (EST), Brent Theobald wrote: > Hey Matt, I thought I sent them to you too along with Max Nather's Albatros? > Why haven't you posted them yet? I don't recall ever receiving them. Maybe they were lost when my old PC died. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:23:44 +0800 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Pfalz Choices Message-ID: Michael, "However, the Phönix DI and D.II kits were excellent and were pushing towards the Eduard level in terms of clean moldings etc. Of course, I may be blindsided by the possibility that these are re-releases of older molds (Volker?) but hopefully not this time." Too the best of my knowledge, these Phoenix´are completely new - I am not aware of a Czechmaster Phoenix, but I might be wrong. And indeed, they are excellent. "The MAC choice to release Fokker D.VII's though is a mystery to me." Same here - however, seeing the description on teh Squadron page, it seems that MAC obviously includes a lot of extras in these kits (PE etc). I just guess they were already to advanced in the production preparation when caught by the Roden D VII´s? Volker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:24:13 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: back with news Message-ID: Dear list, after a while of abstinence I decided to resub to the list again. But first of all I would like to apologize to the British list members regarding my stupid remarks about the Queen that I made. Donno what devil was riding me back to the time of puberty again as this happened. I later felt so ashamed that I decided to leave the list for good. But some of you asked me to come back and now I have some news for you that might be of interest. 1) I am in very good contact with Achim Engels now, the founder of the Fokker Team Schorndorf. Some of you maybe remember my idea to rebuild a flying Dr.1 one day in the future. I will be using Achim's plans because I believe it are the most detailed set of plans that can be found. Achim really possesses a huge archive of original IdFlieg Documents about the Dr.1 that will help building a most accurate replica. So Jasta Boelcke became a member and partner of the FTS. With Achim's help and permission I will be able to provide more technical info about Fokkers in the future - if my time will permit it to work on my site indeed. 2) Achim will soon publish a new CD-Rom-book about the Fokker Dr.1 in detail. This will be his first bilignual book so it will sure be of special interest to the English speaking community. A detailed review will be posted at Jasta Boelcke as soon as I will receive my copy. In the meatime you might be interested to download a free teaser. Either go to the BOOK section of www.jastaboelcke.de or go directly to the FTS homepage at www.fokker-team-schorndorf.de/. It doesn' matter from what site you place an order since I am doing this service for free to the FTS. Price for Achims books usually are 10.- US$. 3) Perhaps some of you noticed that my site had been hacked by some stupid little m.....f.....s. They had replaced my infex.html file and deleted my counter file. Also they left a note saying "Fuckz Braslian Gourvnament". I suspect they was so called "Script Kiddies" with a bad education because of their spelling errors they made. The only explanation how they got my password for my site that I have is maybe MSN Instant Messenger which I used for chatting with Marcio. Maybe the scanned the ISP of Marcio and catched my incoming data. Maybe they read it and traced it back. And maybe due to a possible security leak in MS Webfolders which I used for uploading my pages under WinXP they got my password. Now I avoid using Messanger, will never us MS Webfolders again and installed a better firewall to avoid such things in the future. 4) Cleaning my stuff up I recently discovered old German bank notes from 1908 and 1910. This was the money that was till used at the time poeple like Boelcke went to war so I thougt about posting some scans on my website soon. with my best regards to you all Gaston Graf www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:32:58 EST From: PetersList@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: back with news Message-ID: <89.126cd3c7.2981913a@aol.com> Welcome back Gaston. Mid your P's and Q's and I'm sure all will be forgiven, though sme might reserve judgment a little longer than others. And thanks for the tip on that CD ROM. Should be a corker. cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:32:32 +0100 From: a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it To: Subject: R: back with news Message-ID: <43EB244779F3D411966E0060082C59E90F0434@SERVER1> Dear Gaston, All of us make some errors now and then but, after all, we are human. I believe maturity implies seeing our errors and admitting them, as well as accepting everyone's apologies and start again, sharing all the good things we can. I did not agree with your remarks about the Queen, but I am happy you are again amongst us. Welcome back. All the very best, Alberto -----Messaggio originale----- Da: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]Per conto di Gaston Graf Inviato: giovedì 24 gennaio 2002 17.27 A: Multiple recipients of list Oggetto: [WWI] back with news Dear list, after a while of abstinence I decided to resub to the list again. But first of all I would like to apologize to the British list members regarding my stupid remarks about the Queen that I made. Donno what devil was riding me back to the time of puberty again as this happened. I later felt so ashamed that I decided to leave the list for good. But some of you asked me to come back and now I have some news for you that might be of interest. 1) I am in very good contact with Achim Engels now, the founder of the Fokker Team Schorndorf. Some of you maybe remember my idea to rebuild a flying Dr.1 one day in the future. I will be using Achim's plans because I believe it are the most detailed set of plans that can be found. Achim really possesses a huge archive of original IdFlieg Documents about the Dr.1 that will help building a most accurate replica. So Jasta Boelcke became a member and partner of the FTS. With Achim's help and permission I will be able to provide more technical info about Fokkers in the future - if my time will permit it to work on my site indeed. 2) Achim will soon publish a new CD-Rom-book about the Fokker Dr.1 in detail. This will be his first bilignual book so it will sure be of special interest to the English speaking community. A detailed review will be posted at Jasta Boelcke as soon as I will receive my copy. In the meatime you might be interested to download a free teaser. Either go to the BOOK section of www.jastaboelcke.de or go directly to the FTS homepage at www.fokker-team-schorndorf.de/. It doesn' matter from what site you place an order since I am doing this service for free to the FTS. Price for Achims books usually are 10.- US$. 3) Perhaps some of you noticed that my site had been hacked by some stupid little m.....f.....s. They had replaced my infex.html file and deleted my counter file. Also they left a note saying "Fuckz Braslian Gourvnament". I suspect they was so called "Script Kiddies" with a bad education because of their spelling errors they made. The only explanation how they got my password for my site that I have is maybe MSN Instant Messenger which I used for chatting with Marcio. Maybe the scanned the ISP of Marcio and catched my incoming data. Maybe they read it and traced it back. And maybe due to a possible security leak in MS Webfolders which I used for uploading my pages under WinXP they got my password. Now I avoid using Messanger, will never us MS Webfolders again and installed a better firewall to avoid such things in the future. 4) Cleaning my stuff up I recently discovered old German bank notes from 1908 and 1910. This was the money that was till used at the time poeple like Boelcke went to war so I thougt about posting some scans on my website soon. with my best regards to you all Gaston Graf www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:02:58 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org, Gaston Graf Subject: Re: back with news Message-ID: <3C503E42.2AE218A4@x25.net> Welcome back my friend, glad to hear from you. The book by Achim sound really fine and i suspect he will get a note from me very soon. Take care and write messages after thinking about your words...Twice... Works for me most of the time. Lee M. Gaston Graf wrote: > > Dear list, > > after a while of abstinence I decided to resub to the list again. But first > of all I would like to apologize to the British list members regarding my > stupid remarks about the Queen that I made. Donno what devil was riding me > back to the time of puberty again as this happened. I later felt so ashamed > that I decided to leave the list for good. But some of you asked me to come > back and now I have some news for you that might be of interest. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:13:50 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Unconnected ailerons - was: control surface positioning Message-ID: <3C5040CE.F192004A@x25.net> I have three photos ready. Left and right front quarter views and one from the rear. They should all be less than 45 KB. I usually send them one at a time to help speed them along and make downloading faster. Just let me know if you want to see them. On numbers I can only wish you luck. Near the bottom of this message I said...Across the wings....It should say UNDER the wings. They were pushed upward and against the rear spar where they could not move any farther upwards. They only moved in one direction. Down. The cables were slack, and hanging down, before the surfaces moved upward... Lee M New Braunfels, Tx Volker Haeusler wrote: > > Thanks, Lee - there seems nothing the list does not know (any tips on this > weekends lucky numbers, anybody?) > > Volker > "Lee M." wrote: > > > > A number of early aircraft had a system where the ailerons were "pulled" > > into position for control. They were held in a neutral position by the > > movement of air across the wings as the plane moved faster. > > > snip ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4103 **********************