WWI Digest 4098 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Cutting PE by KnnthS@aol.com 2) Re: e-bay D.VII by Scottfking@aol.com 3) Re: e-bay D.VII by KnnthS@aol.com 4) Re: control surface positioning by KnnthS@aol.com 5) Re: Nigels mortars: by KnnthS@aol.com 6) Re: Butterfly wasRe: RE: Pegasus decals? by KnnthS@aol.com 7) One of the things I dislike about Spads by "Steven Perry" 8) Re: Nigels mortars: by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 9) RE: One of the things I dislike about Spads by Shane Weier 10) Re: Nigels mortars: by CoolSpadLuke@aol.com 11) Re: Help Please? re German AGO/Otto pushers by "iban" 12) Red Baron Book by "snbpink" 13) OT Kit Wierdness Alert: I Just Noticed That.... by Todd Hayes 14) RE: OT Kit Wierdness Alert: I Just Noticed That.... by Shane Weier 15) Re: OT Kit Wierdness Alert: I Just Noticed That.... by CoolSpadLuke@aol.com 16) Re: Butterfly wasRe: RE: Pegasus decals? by Rory Goodwin 17) Re: Baracca's horse by "David's Mail Lists" 18) Re: Nigels mortars: by "Lee M." 19) Re: Nigels mortars: by "Lee M." 20) R: Alberto's models by a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it 21) R: Baracca's horse by a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it 22) Re: Nigels mortars: by Crawford Neil 23) Re Nigel's Mortars by "Neil Eddy" 24) Re: Nigels mortars: by "Bob Pearson" 25) RE: One of the things I dislike about Spads by Crawford Neil 26) RE: R: Baracca's horse by "Tomasz Gronczewski" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:52:42 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Cutting PE Message-ID: <6c.1634da4d.297f7f7a@aol.com> Neil Chortles: << (laughs evilly, flashes cape and fades into shadows) >> heck! yeah... there ya go. -Kato ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:55:29 EST From: Scottfking@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: e-bay D.VII Message-ID: <61.19b14131.297f8021@aol.com> In a message dated 1/22/02 6:33:27 PM EST, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << Damn. I wonder if he wants another one? I still have a few... >> Me too. I suppose I could, with a little judicious culling of the herd and a larcenous heart, finance my hobby for a while. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:57:34 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: e-bay D.VII Message-ID: <7f.2062c74f.297f809e@aol.com> Shane speculates: << Damn. I wonder if he wants another one? I still have a few.... >> I have 3-that's $270 ! I could buy my own plane! -Orville ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:00:17 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: control surface positioning Message-ID: <76.162075df.297f8141@aol.com> Shane: << Elegant and all. >> and nuthin' less. (8: ^{ ) Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:09:52 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nigels mortars: Message-ID: <3a.20bc453e.297f8380@aol.com> Neil writes: << large "bin" filled with explosive >> I have been following this thread throughout its entire length and term: Do you mean to tell me we *are not* talking about Masonry? I tho't this lead to Brick Construct Pfalz experiments or an Eccentric Briton that had a better idea or perhaps a Yank Endeavor to create a Flying Fortress that erred on the side of literal.... This has been about Field Ordinance the *whole* time????? ok. Of course I get it. off to the library- Prof. Wagstaff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:16:03 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Butterfly wasRe: RE: Pegasus decals? Message-ID: <13f.823899c.297f84f3@aol.com> Rob't rites: << He's still using the ol' trusty microscope and still splopping various chemicals on samples and seeing what happens. >> and there's his error, all this while. -eat the chemicals. -write the treatise. -look at the neighbors thru the other end of the scope -P. Pingtom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:17:55 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: One of the things I dislike about Spads Message-ID: <01a701c1a3bc$8cbf2200$0fe82341@tampabay.rr.com> I like a lot of things about them too, but those durn mid-bay support struts are about as much fun as rib taping a Stakken. I don't have much trouble shaping mainplane struts from wood or plastic strips sanded to airfoil shape, but these things look like something a clown twisted out of balloons. And getting them anywhere near scale.......(I'm working in 1/72 on this particular project). I've tried bamboo, basswood, and cut from card. While each was better than the kit pieces, none were quite as good as I'd like. Anyone have a good way of making mid-bay supports for Spads? TIA sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:45:32 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nigels mortars: Message-ID: Shane says (snip) "Add a very large pucker factor and is it any wonder we get descriptions of the "rush" to the target at the end of flight?" Neil Says Exceedingly large pucker factor. Many infantry memoirs talk about troops getting used to artillery shelling (as much as they could anyway) but not Minnies. Minnies were always seen as terrifying and even unfair weapons. it wasn't until the introduction of the Stokes mortar in 1916 that the Commonwealth forces had anything remotely able to reply in kind to a Minenwerfer. before that it was jam tin mortars and real jam tin bombs full of shrapnel, scrap metal, clock parts whatever - as dangerous to the mortar crew as the Germans opposite. Some of these early ones even featured a lit fuse. Apart from the visibility of Minnies, they had a high destructive power - I believe I have read some were filled with a liquid (Gel?) explosive (but don't quote me) that created a large blast area for a relatively small weapon. I agree with your reasoning re the trajectory - any ideas on the 'twist to the left' that multiple memoirs mention? All the Best Neil E ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). 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Thinking aloud.... Brass strip or rod or "Strutz" shaped with a motor tool? You only need four verticals all exactly the same (LOL) Plastic aerofoil strut material reshaped ? (gack - I wouldn't if i were you) > Anyone have a good way of making mid-bay supports for Spads? Nope. But I'll think on it some more and tell you tomorrow that I still don't have a clue if it'll make you feel any better old mate! Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. 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FWIW, Mike Kavanaugh In a message dated Tue, 22 Jan 2002 8:31:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Lee M." writes: The U.S. used sheets of cellulose that could be ripped > off easily since the had a hole in them to allow the little pad to be > hooked thru the lower fin hole, and, the fins were exactly that, thin > metal fins, four in all. They had holes in them to make them even > lighter and gave obviously a place to hook the increments on to. The > increments were like small 2" X 2" tablets with about five or six > pages. Made them explode even more quickly and efficiently. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:11:54 -0500 From: "iban" To: Subject: Re: Help Please? re German AGO/Otto pushers Message-ID: <00ea01c1a35f$83dffe00$533f21a2@laptop118> Thanks immensely, Volker and Shane. I'll see what I can do about tracking those leads down. Much appreciated! Cheers, Iban. ----- Original Message ----- From: Shane Weier To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 8:06 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Help Please? re German AGO/Otto pushers > Volker says: > > > > First, there was an article on the Otto pushers in a Windsock > > - I guess > > around 4 or 5 years ago. Written by Peter Grosz, it contained > > a fair number > > of photos of the Otto, as well as a 3 view. Same for the later version > > mainly sold to Bulgaria (with an interesting story involving > > lots of alcohol > > behind, IIRC). Something like the definitive thing on the subject. > > January 1995, Otto B and C.I > > Shane _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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I just > noticed that my Eduard Nieuport 11 Profi has TWO > different kit manufacturer numbers on the same box. > One end has 8070 (correct), the other has 8705. Does > yours? Special packaging for sale in the US. The Czechs have given you a 7.3% discount on the item number Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. 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I just > noticed that my Eduard Nieuport 11 Profi has TWO > different kit manufacturer numbers on the same box. > One end has 8070 (correct), the other has 8705. Does > yours? > > Todd > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:47:04 -0800 From: Rory Goodwin To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Butterfly wasRe: RE: Pegasus decals? Message-ID: <3C4E4E58.F4FE168E@earthlink.net> Has someone already done paint chips of not only 4 of the 5 colors but the early Nieuport browns and greens? KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/22/02 11:51:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, > xtv16@dial.pipex.com writes: > > << > Wonder what modern analytical techniques could throw up ? > > Dave > > >> > > Lunch? > sorry.......anyway, Alan Toelle is still at it. The most recent work of his > I've seen is an analysis of MvR's triplane fabric that was in WW I Aero not > too long ago. He's still using the ol' trusty microscope and still splopping > various chemicals on samples and seeing what happens. > RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:09:39 -0600 From: "David's Mail Lists" To: Subject: Re: Baracca's horse Message-ID: <002f01c1a3d4$8abbeb10$8392cf18@Jeanne> It was mother of Baracca who gave Enzo the permission to use his cavalino rampante as the personal emblem for the Scuderia Ferrari, which ran Alfa Romeos. After WWI the emblem was used for the Ferrari factory as well. However, you will see that factor team cars always had a 2nd emble for the scuderia or race team. The Porsche horse comes from the seal of Stuttgart. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Trauner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 5:45 PM Subject: [WWI] Baracca's horse > Hi, listees! > There was a poll on night radio where Ferrari's horse does come from. They > said Baracca was a close friend to Enzo Ferrari. Baracca took the > coat-of-arms when he shot down a german (!! Not A-H!) pilot who had the > Stuttgart coat-of-arms painted on his airplane. > > O.K. the Stuttgart coat-of-arms is very similiar and that's the reason why > Porsche shows the same horse, but the rest of the story seems to be not > quite true. I always thought that Baracca's horse was the coat-of-arms of > his family or the town where they lived. Of course Enzo took over the Horse > to honour Baracca, but the 'german pilot story' is nonsense. Or not? Jastas > vs. Baracca? > > Hans > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:32:06 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nigels mortars: Message-ID: <3C4E58E6.6259104A@x25.net> Go for,it or at least send it to me direct. I am interested. I was sure the Minenwerfer was that big "dude " and not a thing use in WW II. They did have big Mortars. the largest in the world but it wass not called Minen. It was called Thor, Karl and Gustav. ( If my memory has not failed.) Lee M. Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au wrote: > > Lee n' All > > I have a small amount of material at home on stats and description of the > "Minnie", Stokes Mortar, and Maybe one or two others. I'll post them > tonight if anyone's interested. > > Descriptions of the Minenwerfer shell describe a large black cylinder > approximate 3 feet long. Other accounts describe the "rush" of the shell to > its target on the downwards arc of the trajectory, following a lazy upwards > arc. For some reason also Minnie rounds often had a screw to the left just > before impact, though I've never seen an explanation of why this was. > > All the Best > > Neil E > > _________________________________________________________________________________ > NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication, you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of the Department of Human Services. > > Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of the Department. > > Except as required by law, the Department does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. > > If you have received this email in error or have other concerns regarding this transmission, please contact the Department of Human Services System Administrator at Postmaster@dhs.vic.gov.au > _________________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 01:21:14 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nigels mortars: Message-ID: <3C4E646A.704ACADD@x25.net> The fins were longer than the shell portion by a very small amount. The holes helped lighten and equalize the pressures involved and were an excellent place to hang the essential increments. The cellulose increments increased range by about a factor of four on the smaller mortars. The fins also added considerable stability to the flight of the shell since there was no rifling inside the mortar tube and therefore no rotation of the projectile. The speed was enough to keep them useful. There was a pin extended up from the re-enforced bottom of the tube and it fired the "shot gun shell" which worked as ignition, for the increments, as well as propellant, so the holes helped there as well. Obviously the increments also increased the speed the projectile moved at. A Mortar is quite an accurate device in spite of all of the variables. On our training range we fired at "well worn single bed (cot) sheets" as a targets. The range was from 600 to about 1200 feet for the various targets using bith the 60 and 81mm devices. The shorter range was from the top of the hill where we could see the targets, and, the longer was on the reverse slope using aiming stakes and other aiming tools. If you worked on disposal you probably know about the speed reversal pin inside the shell. From a foot or so per second downward, to a bunch of feet per second in the opposite directions dropped a pin toward the tail end . As the shell exitted the tube a pin was ejected side ways and that armed the shell. Up to that time the nose fuse would not operate. Neat safety device in case you dropped one. I was always a bit glad I was not assigned to Mortars in combat. The MG was a big enough pain to handle on marches. Lee M. CoolSpadLuke@aol.com wrote: > > Although I have been involved in disposing of a lot of mortar rounds, I have not been privy to the reason for the holes in the fins. I do not believe they were provided solely for a propellant increment attachment point or lightening of the round. I think they were provided to allow the pressure equalization as the round left the tube to enhance the accuracy of the trajectory. > > FWIW, > Mike Kavanaugh > > In a message dated Tue, 22 Jan 2002 8:31:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Lee M." writes: > > The U.S. used sheets of cellulose that could be ripped > > off easily since the had a hole in them to allow the little pad to be > > hooked thru the lower fin hole, and, the fins were exactly that, thin > > metal fins, four in all. They had holes in them to make them even > > lighter and gave obviously a place to hook the increments on to. The > > increments were like small 2" X 2" tablets with about five or six > > pages. Made them explode even more quickly and efficiently. > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:51:30 +0100 From: a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it To: Subject: R: Alberto's models Message-ID: <43EB244779F3D411966E0060082C59E90F0421@SERVER1> Dear Marcio, pleased to hear from you. Thanks for the warm words. I must say that, as a relatively newcomer to the hobby, you are very good and your models are really nice to look at. I have been modelling WW1 aeroplanes for the past 15 years, so I have had the chance to build up a little experience in this field. I have no doubt that as soon as you get more experience your simple modelling projects will be better than mine. Keep up the good work ! All the very best, Alberto Casirati -----Messaggio originale----- Da: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]Per conto di Marcio Antonio Campos Inviato: martedì 22 gennaio 2002 22.01 A: Multiple recipients of list Oggetto: [WWI] Alberto's models Alberto, you wrote in your Dr.I page: "If you are too much into serious modelling, try a simpler project: it is a refreshing experience." Hahaha, I'll have to improve too much yet to achieve something "simple" as these two little beauties... All the best from Brazil Marcio Antonio Campos Building 425/17 and wondering if it will be at least decent :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:03:22 +0100 From: a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it To: Subject: R: Baracca's horse Message-ID: <43EB244779F3D411966E0060082C59E90F0423@SERVER1> AFAIK, Francesco Baracca chose the rampant horse as his personal emblem because he came from the cavalry regiment "Piemonte Reale". I seriously doubt whether Baracca ever met Enzo Ferrari. It was Baracca's mother who let Ferrari to paint the rampant horse on the Alfa Romeo cars of his reacing team. The first victory of Francesco Baracca was an A-H Aviatik two-seater, which was shot down on the 7th April 1916. Baracca was flying one of the first Italian Ni.11s. It was the first confirmed Italian victory of the war. Hope this helps. All the very best, Alberto Casirati -----Messaggio originale----- Da: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]Per conto di Hans Trauner Inviato: mercoledì 23 gennaio 2002 0.46 A: Multiple recipients of list Oggetto: [WWI] Baracca's horse Hi, listees! There was a poll on night radio where Ferrari's horse does come from. They said Baracca was a close friend to Enzo Ferrari. Baracca took the coat-of-arms when he shot down a german (!! Not A-H!) pilot who had the Stuttgart coat-of-arms painted on his airplane. O.K. the Stuttgart coat-of-arms is very similiar and that's the reason why Porsche shows the same horse, but the rest of the story seems to be not quite true. I always thought that Baracca's horse was the coat-of-arms of his family or the town where they lived. Of course Enzo took over the Horse to honour Baracca, but the 'german pilot story' is nonsense. Or not? Jastas vs. Baracca? Hans ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:39:17 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Nigels mortars: Message-ID: Far from it Lee, I think it's fascinating, real war experience and flying anecdotes are always interesting. /Neil C. > > I hope I have not bored the people. This is a good way to learn about > things. > > > Lee M. > New Braunfels,Tx > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:06:56 +1100 From: "Neil Eddy" To: Subject: Re Nigel's Mortars Message-ID: <003901c1a3ed$4fa87020$bd5432d2@mannock> Hi all Here's some info on WWI mortars: French 58T Trench Mortar projectile weight 35lb (13.2lb explosive) Elevation: 45 - 80 degrees Initial velocity 220 feet per second 25cm Minenwerfer Model 1912 Shell 207.2lbs (weight of charge 103lbs Rate of fire 20 rounds per hour Range 215-601 yards I couldnt find the other stuff I had - however have a look at this site: http://www.riv.co.nz/rnza/hist/mortar/ndx.htm which has good info on the Stokes, minenwerfer varieties, French mortars etc. HTH All the Best Neil E (evening lurk) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 01:07:24 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nigels mortars: Message-ID: <101177695901@smtp.vphos.net> Very true, and where better to get it then from those who were there. There is one fellow on SMML who has been sending along his experiences on HMS Howe and one of the welded frigates .. very long missives. . and very entertaining. If not for the internet one wonders how many of these would be lost forever. Bob ---------- >From: Crawford Neil > Far from it Lee, I think it's fascinating, real war experience and > flying anecdotes are always interesting. > /Neil C. > >> >> I hope I have not bored the people. This is a good way to learn about >> things. >> >> >> Lee M. >> New Braunfels,Tx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:21:35 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: One of the things I dislike about Spads Message-ID: I use model ship mahogny deck planking, and just wittle away, and sand, till they are small and thin and bowed in at the middle. /Neil C. > > Anyone have a good way of making mid-bay supports for Spads? > TIA > sp > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:42:15 +0100 From: "Tomasz Gronczewski" To: Subject: RE: R: Baracca's horse Message-ID: > Baracca was flying one of the first > Italian Ni.11s. It was the first confirmed Italian victory of the war. Haven't heard of it! Thanks Alberto. Tomasz ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4098 **********************