WWI Digest 4096 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Air Enthusiast by REwing@aol.com 2) RE: Ceramcoat Acrylics by mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) 3) e-bay D.VII by "Tom Plesha" 4) Re: Air Enthusiast by "Ross Moorhouse" 5) Re: control surface positioning by Shane Weier 6) Re: control surface positioning by "Michael and Sharon Alvarado, NSWCC" 7) Re: control surface positioning by "Lance Krieg" 8) Re: control surface positioning by "Michael and Sharon Alvarado, NSWCC" 9) Re: Ceramcoat Acrylics by KarrArt@aol.com 10) Re: control surface positioning by Shane Weier 11) Re: e-bay D.VII by Todd Hayes 12) Re: control surface positioning by KnnthS@aol.com 13) Re: Brass tubes by Morg17ms@aol.com 14) Re: e-bay D.VII by PetersList@aol.com 15) Re: Nigels mortars: by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 16) Second Madman sighted by "Nigel Rayner" 17) RE: WWI digest 4095 by "Nigel Rayner" 18) Re: Ceramcoat Acrylics by "Steven Perry" 19) Re: control surface positioning by Shane Weier 20) Re: e-bay D.VII by Shane Weier 21) Re: control surface positioning by Steve Cox 22) Baracca's horse by "Hans Trauner" 23) Osprey's for January to March by "Hans Trauner" 24) SPAD SA.2 and Tombow by "Matt Bittner" 25) Re: Osprey's for January to March by "Matt Bittner" 26) Re: control surface positioning by Mark Miller ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:55:05 EST From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Air Enthusiast Message-ID: <18f.2325c19.297f39b9@aol.com> --part1_18f.2325c19.297f39b9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Everyone, Wanted to let you all know that the Nov./Dec. 2001 issue of Air Enthusiast magazine has an article on the "Fledgling Turkish Military Aviation" contains two color views of 1915 "Ertugrul" (Bleriot X1-2) and a 1913-1915 "Osmanli" (Depperdussin TT). I know some people are interested in Turkish aviation material. Also, there is Part 1 of an article about the Hawker Hart family that I also know will interest some of you. Thought I would give a heads up to you all. -Rick- List Librarian --part1_18f.2325c19.297f39b9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hi Everyone,
    Wanted to let you all know that the Nov./Dec. 2001 issue of Air Enthusiast magazine has an article on the "Fledgling Turkish Military Aviation" contains two color views of 1915 "Ertugrul" (Bleriot X1-2) and a 1913-1915 "Osmanli" (Depperdussin TT).  I know some people are interested in Turkish aviation material.
    Also, there is Part 1 of an article about the Hawker Hart family that I also know will interest some of you.
    Thought I would give a heads up to you all.

-Rick-
List Librarian

--part1_18f.2325c19.297f39b9_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:54:35 -0600 From: mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Ceramcoat Acrylics Message-ID: <5F4636CE02C4D511B0D600065B04EA0901590533@ITCREX002.tarrantcounty.com> Mack Harris asks: "what is the best thing to thin them with?" Future Marc Flake ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:59:50 -0500 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: e-bay D.VII Message-ID: <000701c1a390$1e138b60$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com> Hi All- The madness continues, 1/48 DML Fok.D.VII, $90+ Later Tom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:14:06 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Air Enthusiast Message-ID: <003701c1a392$1bd54940$3b482dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> Thanks Rick for the heads up on this magazine and the Turkish aircraft article. I will have to see if I can get a copy. Cheers Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 8:58 AM Subject: [WWI] Air Enthusiast | | --part1_18f.2325c19.297f39b9_boundary | Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" | Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit | | | Hi Everyone, | Wanted to let you all know that the Nov./Dec. 2001 issue of Air | Enthusiast magazine has an article on the "Fledgling Turkish Military | Aviation" contains two color views of 1915 "Ertugrul" (Bleriot X1-2) and a | 1913-1915 "Osmanli" (Depperdussin TT). I know some people are interested in | Turkish aviation material. | Also, there is Part 1 of an article about the Hawker Hart family that I | also know will interest some of you. | Thought I would give a heads up to you all. | | -Rick- | List Librarian | | --part1_18f.2325c19.297f39b9_boundary | Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" | Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit | |
| Hi Everyone,
|     Wanted to let you all know that the Nov./Dec. 2001 issue of Air Enthusiast magazine has an article on the "Fledgling Turkish Military Aviation" contains two color views of 1915 "Ertugrul" (Bleriot X1-2) and a 1913-1915 "Osmanli" (Depperdussin TT).  I know some people are interested in Turkish aviation material.
|     Also, there is Part 1 of an article about the Hawker Hart family that I also know will interest some of you.
|     Thought I would give a heads up to you all.
|
|

-Rick-
| List Librarian
|

| --part1_18f.2325c19.297f39b9_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:18:03 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: control surface positioning Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDA9F@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> SP says: > Can't see how you could make the aileron deflection greater > in one direction only. > > Turnbuckles. Adjustable clevis. > > Each control cable has one. The ailerons can be adjusted > differentially. IMHO Nope. I *think* you misunderstood the original post. While the position of the ailerons can be altered by messing with the control cable turnbuckles you had better be adjusting them so that they're both at the same angle of attack when the stick is in neutral position. Then.....modern control surfaces move so that when the aileron goes up, it travels less than the opposite one going down for all the reasons previously discussed by you and others. Opposite but *unequal* deflection. The point being made though, was that most (all??) WW1 aircraft with differentially operating ailerons used a closed wire loop to the control column - so if you pull one wire by x inches you automatically let the other to the same aileron out by the same amount AND do the reverse to *exactly* the same number of inches on the other aileron. Result is equal and opposite deflection. FWIW (and I'm no pilot so I may have this all arsey versey and be making a goog of myself) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:28:05 -0500 From: "Michael and Sharon Alvarado, NSWCC" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: control surface positioning Message-ID: <3C4DE775.1AA09F77@verizon.net> This is true. The rudder on my C152 was next to useless. The plane could very well be flown with the feet planted firmly on the floor. Try to get it to spin to the left - forget it! But when you did remember the rudder turnsnwere so comfortable and coordinated. Alvie D Charles wrote: > > > > > > Adverse aileron yaw is a real problem on slow low powered high drad > > > airplanes. Since the down aileron causes parasite and induced drag and > the > > > up aileron only causes parasite drag, at low speeds like landing and > > > takeoff, the drag can cause the airplane to yaw in the opposite > direction of > > > the aileron input. > > > sp > > > That's what rudders are for. > > > > Alvie > > > In older designs, Yes. > But that is only a secondary use in modern types: the primary purpose > being a rest to raise the level of the feet and imcrease the comfort on long > flights. > :-) > > David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:33:21 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: control surface positioning Message-ID: I had stayed out of this, but must note, despite Shane's point: "... a closed wire loop ... you automatically let the other to the same aileron out by the same amount AND do the reverse to *exactly* the same number of inches on the other aileron." Of course, the upward travel can be limited by the simple expedient of a stop that only permits the aileron to travel so far, despite enough slack in the cable to go further. But I am only here as the devil's advocate, having no real knowledge of the truth of the matter. I'm on company time, you see. Just stirring the pot... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:39:41 -0500 From: "Michael and Sharon Alvarado, NSWCC" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: control surface positioning Message-ID: <3C4DEA2D.ADD2BA36@verizon.net> The only way to get differential deflection on an aileron control system using equal length calbe systems without cams is by the use of different sized/angled control horns or hinge lines offset from the centerline of the aileron false/hinge spar. If the control horns on the upper and lower surfaces of the ailerons are of equal length/angle and the aileron hinges are centered between the upper and lower surfaces of the wing the aileron deflection will be equal up and down. I don't think differential aileron displacement was a major concern of World War I aircraft designers. This was a concern of the post war racing pilots looking to squeeze the last available knot of speed out of the available horsepower. Alvie Who makes a living out of designing and testing submarine control systems/stability. Remember a submarine flies through the water the same as a airplane flies through the air. Same equations different Reynolds numbers. Shane Weier wrote: > SP says: > > > Can't see how you could make the aileron deflection greater > > in one direction only. > > > > Turnbuckles. Adjustable clevis. > > > > Each control cable has one. The ailerons can be adjusted > > differentially. > > IMHO Nope. I *think* you misunderstood the original post. While the position > of the ailerons can be altered by messing with the control cable turnbuckles > you had better be adjusting them so that they're both at the same angle of > attack when the stick is in neutral position. > > Then.....modern control surfaces move so that when the aileron goes up, it > travels less than the opposite one going down for all the reasons previously > discussed by you and others. Opposite but *unequal* deflection. > > The point being made though, was that most (all??) WW1 aircraft with > differentially operating ailerons used a closed wire loop to the control > column - so if you pull one wire by x inches you automatically let the other > to the same aileron out by the same amount AND do the reverse to *exactly* > the same number of inches on the other aileron. Result is equal and opposite > deflection. > > FWIW (and I'm no pilot so I may have this all arsey versey and be making a > goog of myself) > > Shane > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 > Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 > International ++61 7 38338042 > ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:42:57 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Ceramcoat Acrylics Message-ID: In a message dated 1/22/02 1:32:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, MackH@Health.State.OK.US writes: << Sorry I didn't save the many threads about Ceramcoat acrylic paints, but what is the best thing to thin them with? Water, alcohol, windshild wiper fluid? TIA Mack >> I use water or Future and sometimes Windex window cleaner. Furure really makes the paint tough, but too much and it reduces the opacity. RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:48:02 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: control surface positioning Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDAA0@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Lance says: > Of course, the upward travel can be limited by the simple > expedient of a stop > that only permits the aileron to travel so far, despite > enough slack in the cable to go further. Cool idea. Buggered if I know whether they did it though. It's not apparent in any of the control run schematics I have though that may just mean "bad schematics", not "no stops" Would that make the machine a little odd to fly? Perhaps not, they were odd enough already! > > But I am only here as the devil's advocate, having no real > knowledge of the > truth of the matter. I'm on company time, you see. > > Just stirring the pot... I like it. This way we learn more. As very much *not* a mechanical engineer I've been sitting here (on company time) doodling on my desk pad trying to design a simple lightweight mechanical means of acheiving differential travel. It doesn't need slack cables though. You use a...... ...bungee cord ! Think about it. Put a bungee cord (or spring) in the top side run of cable but not in the bottom one. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. 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Put a bungee cord (or spring) in the top side run of cable but not in the bottom one. >> am I being thick? this is exactly what DH-2's did have.... Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:04:50 EST From: Morg17ms@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Brass tubes Message-ID: <151.7a85411.297f4a12@aol.com> --part1_151.7a85411.297f4a12_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit try Holepop.com - brass tubing down to 0.3mm OD. Tom Morgan --part1_151.7a85411.297f4a12_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit try Holepop.com - brass tubing down to 0.3mm OD.

Tom Morgan --part1_151.7a85411.297f4a12_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:04:02 EST From: PetersList@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: e-bay D.VII Message-ID: <71.193ccaec.297f49e2@aol.com> I plead guilty as charged. In mitigation I shall use the proceeds to buy the Battleaxe DVII cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:13:14 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nigels mortars: Message-ID: Hi All; Just adding my five cents (au) worth on the mortar question. Whilst I don't disagree with Lee re the performance of WW2 mortars, contemporary 1914-1918 infantry accounts regarding German minenwerfers ("coal bins") often talk about being able to track the shell by sight from firing to impact, this would possibly indicate a relatively low muzzle velocity and height reached at the top end of the trajectory of the shell. Other factors would relate to the period of the war we are talking about - pre Stokes British mortars ("Jam Tins" 1914-1916) were often spring loaded rather than using an explosive charge and therefore would have had lower performance than the vastly more efficient Stokes - which is maybe the granddaddy of the modern mortar, both in design of the mortar itself and also that of the shell (had fins, variable charges etc), minenwerfers had no fins but was more like a large "bin" filled with explosive and able to do a large amount of damage over a small area. Contemporary accounts mention minnie shells "hanging in the sky" allowing quick minded (and lucky) infantry men to duck into whatever cover was available to avoid the blast. Hope this helps All the Best Neil E _________________________________________________________________________________ NOTICE: This communication is confidential. 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Cheers, Nigel R ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 23:21:12 -0000 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: RE: WWI digest 4095 Message-ID: <000101c1a39b$7b00e880$983bedc1@w1o0t3> Neil C wrote: >I was looking at some Henri Farr paintings, he >did them fairly bright red, and he was there at the time. Neil, great thought. I completely forgot about these original sources. Now obviously oils fade somewhat and I've only seen repros but they are certainly worth considering as a valid source. After all he was an artist and he was there (and actually flew on missions). Probably better than trying to guess original colours from chemical samples. Cheers, Nigel R ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:13:59 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Ceramcoat Acrylics Message-ID: <003001c1a39a$799232c0$0fe82341@tampabay.rr.com> > << Sorry I didn't save the many threads about Ceramcoat acrylic paints, but > what is the best thing to thin them with? Water, alcohol, windshild wiper > fluid? > TIA > Mack >> > > I use water or Future and sometimes Windex window cleaner. Furure really > makes the paint tough, but too much and it reduces the opacity. > RK Exactly my experience. Future really improves it by making it tougher as well as imparting Future's exceptional leveling properties. It also seems to make it easier to touch up. Windex seems to help the acrylic keep from drying so badly in the brush. Not a 100% cure, but it doesnt lengthen the drying time on the model too much either. sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:20:22 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: control surface positioning Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDAA2@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Ken, > << ..bungee cord ! > > Think about it. Put a bungee cord (or spring) in the top side > run of cable but not in the bottom one. >> > > > am I being thick? > this is exactly what DH-2's did have.... EGGZACKLY !! Elegant and all. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:21:16 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: e-bay D.VII Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDAA3@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Peter says: > I plead guilty as charged. In mitigation I shall use the > proceeds to buy the Battleaxe DVII Damn. I wonder if he wants another one? I still have a few.... Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 23:39:11 +0000 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Re: control surface positioning Message-ID: > From: "Michael and Sharon Alvarado, NSWCC" > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:41:24 -0500 (EST) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: control surface positioning > > > Alvie > > Who makes a living out of designing and testing submarine control > systems/stability. Remember a submarine flies through the water the same as a > airplane flies through the air. Same equations different Reynolds numbers. > Do you have to fit the wings on upside down, so that the sub flies downwards, rather than upwards? Steve =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html http://www.bramptonscalemodelclub.fsnet.co.uk If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:44:54 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Baracca's horse Message-ID: <004401c1a39e$cad80700$b0ac72d4@FRITZweb> Hi, listees! There was a poll on night radio where Ferrari's horse does come from. They said Baracca was a close friend to Enzo Ferrari. Baracca took the coat-of-arms when he shot down a german (!! Not A-H!) pilot who had the Stuttgart coat-of-arms painted on his airplane. O.K. the Stuttgart coat-of-arms is very similiar and that's the reason why Porsche shows the same horse, but the rest of the story seems to be not quite true. I always thought that Baracca's horse was the coat-of-arms of his family or the town where they lived. Of course Enzo took over the Horse to honour Baracca, but the 'german pilot story' is nonsense. Or not? Jastas vs. Baracca? Hans ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 01:00:35 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Osprey's for January to March Message-ID: <005501c1a3a0$fbb62e40$b0ac72d4@FRITZweb> Listees, I have just got my Osprey novelty leaflet: January: Essential Histories: The First World War (1) The Eastern Front 1914 -1918 Essential Histories: The First World War (2) The Western Front 1914 - 1916 February: Elite 78: World War One Trench Warfare (1) 1914- 1916 Aircraft of the Aces 46: AH Aces of WWI March: New Vanguard 50: U-boats of the Kaiser's Navy On the leaflet there also the title of "Dolphin and Snipe Aces of WWI" by Norman Franks , but no publishing date. Hans ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:15:38 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: SPAD SA.2 and Tombow Message-ID: In my fourth iteration of trying to re-add the stringer effect on my SPAD SA.2, I wanted some type of glue that wouldn't harm the .005 that I "embossed", but provide strong and permanent bond. Since I truly can't stand the smell of epoxy, I wanted to try something new. Since my wife sells (and does) rubber stamps and scrapbooking supplies, I decided to try her "Tombow Mono Adhesive (permanent)". Basically it's an applicator to apply the "glue" (she calls it "double sided tape") and then you stick the part down. You have to be sure the entire part is covered in "glue", but it seems to work. There's a little bit of leeway to play with, but once you "flatten it down", it's pretty permanent. Couldn't get the turtledeck to move this morning. Now I did not mean for this to be a selling point, but while searching the Tombow site (http://www.tombowusa.com/) my wife saw what I was doing and offered to sell the Mono Adhesive for US$2 each (plus shipping). Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:18:33 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Osprey's for January to March Message-ID: On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:59:49 -0500 (EST), Hans Trauner wrote: > Listees, I have just got my Osprey novelty leaflet: > > January: > Essential Histories: The First World War (1) The Eastern Front 1914 -1918 > Essential Histories: The First World War (2) The Western Front 1914 - 1916 > > > February: > Elite 78: World War One Trench Warfare (1) 1914- 1916 > Aircraft of the Aces 46: AH Aces of WWI > > March: > New Vanguard 50: U-boats of the Kaiser's Navy > > On the leaflet there also the title of > "Dolphin and Snipe Aces of WWI" by Norman Franks , but no publishing date. Hmmm...I thought the SPAD 12/13 book was due out "soon"? Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jan 2002 16:22:44 -0800 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: control surface positioning Message-ID: <20020123002244.29226.cpmta@c016.snv.cp.net> Lance says: > course, the upward travel can be limited by the simple expedient of a stop that only permits the aileron to travel so far, despite enough slack in the cable to go further. > OK - i'm NOT an engineer But I don't think this would work. If I understand this "closed loop" system - it's like both airlerons are conected in a big loop and that the up motion on one side is directly linked to the down motion on the other. So if you stop the up motion on one side you also stop the down motion on the other - and visa versa. I think ..... Now this bungee cord idea sounds good Mark Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4096 **********************