WWI Digest 4093 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Brass tubes and boring corks was Roundels and paint by Shane Weier 2) Re: control surface positioning by "Lee M." 3) steep turns & knife edge by "Tom Plesha" 4) Re: I had to tell somebody by Marc Flake 5) Re: control surface positioning by Shane Weier 6) Re: More Eduard Nieuport Questions by KnnthS@aol.com 7) RE: Hue IDs from B&W photos, was: Lozenge color help by Shane Weier 8) Re: Telephones by Shane Weier 9) RE: '...who knew?' by KnnthS@aol.com 10) Re: I had to tell somebody by KnnthS@aol.com 11) Re: control surface positioning/Again by "Tom Plesha" 12) Re: control surface positioning/Again by Shane Weier 13) RE: Pegasus decals? by Todd Hayes 14) Re: control surface positioning/Again/again by "Tom Plesha" 15) RE: Pegasus decals? by KarrArt@aol.com 16) RE: Pegasus decals? by Shane Weier 17) RE: Pegasus decals? by KarrArt@aol.com 18) Re: control surface positioning by Mark Miller 19) Nigel's Wood Finish by "ibs4421" 20) Cutting PE by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 21) Re: Cutting PE by "Ross Moorhouse" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:42:33 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Brass tubes and boring corks was Roundels and paint Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDA8C@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Nigel > Boring corks? I've NEVER seen an interesting one.... ...clearly isn't as interested in getting the corks out of bottles as am I Shane > ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:52:52 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: control surface positioning Message-ID: <3C4C9BC4.772188B2@x25.net> I thought about this for several hours and then looked at some books, plans and photographs. This is just a thought... I am not very sure the ailerons on either top or bottom of a WWI plane had much variation between the up and down movements. The cables are directly connected to the control column and then over pullys to the control surfaces. The only way they could be different in movement would be by using shorter or longer control horns since cable length is the same for both directions. Up or down.. back and forth.. or however it is said. I do not recall seeing such a variance between the upper and lower horns. Maybe there is and I just don't pay enough attention... Lee M. New Braunfels, Tx Steven Perry wrote: > > Mark: > When establishing a bank the ailerons deflect in opposite directions. Once > the angle of bank is established, you release most of the aileron pressure > on the stick holding only enough to maintain the angle. (you need more > deflection to creat a roll than to maintain a rolled attitude.) > > On many designs, the ailerons deflect more up than down. This is to prevent > adverse aileron yaw at low airspeeds. The down aileron increases lift, the > up destroys it. The up aileron causes parasite drag while the down aileron > causes both parasite and induced drag. (induced drag is a function of lift > and is proportional to it). Too much down aileron at low speeds increases > the total drag on that wing to the point that the aircraft will yaw in the > opposite direction from the aileron input at low speeds.Hence many ailerons > deflect more to the up than the down. > > As for the rudder holding a nose up (sideways) attitude in a knife edge > turn, my C150 didn't do knife edge turns, so I can't comment directly. I do > recall asking one of the more accomplished R/C fliers if that was the case > and he said yes. I guess that makes it an extreme example of an airplane > flying on the engine rather than the wing. > > hth > sp > > > I have finaly gotten around to re-working my Virtual DVa model so that i > can reposition the control surfaces, and it occures to me that, not being a > pilot, I don't have a very good idea where they should go > > > > first - how much range of motion did the different control surfaces have. > I have one image with 10 degrees up on one aerleron 10 degrees down on the > other. > > > > when executing a tight turn - > > was it common practice to go into a 90 degree bank. > > and would you give "up elevator" to tighten the turn. > > > > and would you need to use the rudder to maintain attitude during the turn. > > > > or, how about typical errors non-pilots make when depicting aircraft in > flight? > > > > Any input would be appreciated > > Mark Miller > > > > > > Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! > > http://www.shopping.altavista.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:56:20 -0500 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: steep turns & knife edge Message-ID: <000701c1a2ce$d86bf140$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com> Hi All- When the turn becomes very steep the rudder begins to act as the elevator and control altitude and the elevators begin to control the direction with ailerons acting for bank angle. As the steep turn is maintained, as Candice pointed out, you want to establish a power setting that will keep speed & altitude constant. If you steepen the turn enough, 60 degrees plus, and/or attempt to fly straight with that baqnk angle, you are now at the threshold of a knife edge and exceeding the capability of the wings to provide lift to keep the aircraft aloft. This then requires increasing power as the primary source of "lift" with the rudder acting as an elevator. Cessnas, Pipers, etc. will approximate a knife edge for an extremely short time period-they run out of power to maintain that manuever and maintain the altitude. HTH Tom ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:51:08 -0600 From: Marc Flake To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: I had to tell somebody Message-ID: <3C4C9B5C.1DF7@airmail.net> My wife frequently remarks; "Haven't you already built one like that?" Marc Flake (working on his sixth and seventh Nieuport in a row.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:56:52 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: control surface positioning Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDA8D@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Tom says: (a lot of good sense including) > > and would you need to use the rudder to maintain attitude > > during the turn. > Again depends on the airplane. At bank angles beyond 45 degrees some > airplanes use "top rudder" or rudder opposite to the turn ie > left rudder in > a right turn, because the rudder is now functioning partially as an > elevator, keeping the nose up in the turn. I think you'll find that this one especially opens a great can of worms. I'm at work so I can't dredge out the article, but I have a pilots report (modern) on flying a rotary engined aircraft (Camel) in which the pilot commented on the considerable difference in the way he had to use the rudder in turns because of the rotary engines' torque. One other comment - I imagine those amongst us who have the skills to pilot a plane will have some usefull comment, but I'd be wary of taking it all as gospel since early aircraft would be unlikely to respond to controls in the same fashion as modern ones. (No, I don't mean that the controls don't do the same thing in gross terms, but co-ordination of them was a science well in the future. Read http://www.airbum.com/articles/ArticleTailwheelTraining.html on the effects of adverse yaw on the flying characteristics of even post WW2 aircraft and its' effect on the techniques of piloting a light aircraft) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:08:02 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: More Eduard Nieuport Questions Message-ID: <104.fb4fceb.297df952@aol.com> Shane: << However, the "aftermarket" can be... >> Agree. He had asked what was in that non-profi kit. I think he is looking for specific inclusion of PE (or of molded detail). I opened a Guynemer Nieuport I have and looked over things for him to let him know what's 'stock'. Charlie had also recently posted a source for accurate seats: >I recently received two sets of Eduards PE seats (their part number 48 357) and highly recommend them. You get twelve different seats and five different padded seats. The set contains seats for: - Pfalz D.IIIa - Albatros D.III. DV - SPAD VII - Hannover CL.III - Bristol M.1 - Nieuport 17 - Nieuport 11 - Morane L or Hanriot HD 2 - AEG C.IV (typo - probably meant G.IV) - RAF RE8 - Sopwith Snipe - Be.2c The Bristol, Sopwith and Be2 wicker seats are very detailed. Charlie< I like aftermarket rotaries. The BM monosoupape is one of the best kit engines have ever seen. But interestingly, per your point, it's essentially house items for rods The rest is careful molding (and alot of teeny assembly...). = ) Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:12:22 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Hue IDs from B&W photos, was: Lozenge color help Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDA8F@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Stef said: (a bunch, snipped, all good stuff and then this as well...) > Returning to photography, I must disagree with Shane on one > point, however: > It is not the similar discontinuities in the color sensitivity of film > emulstions per se that make hue identification from black-and-whaite > photographs not merely suspect, but, in my view, impossible. If these > discrpancies were the sole problem, then, in analogy with > audio again, we > could, in theory, fashion a kind of equalizer to adjust the known > deficiencies of our 'speaker' (film), just as Mark would like > to be able to > do. [Heck, I wish we could fashion an algorithm that would permit a > program like Photoshop to make such identifications, too.] While I agree with the conclusion, I must point out that fashioning an equalizer that works relies on knowing the form of the wavelength/sensitivity function - something that can not be known without knowledge of the film/plate/emulsion used - and most of the photos we see we don't even know who took them, much less what film. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:17:01 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Telephones Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDA90@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Diego says: > I'll try to remember your advice. For some days, the cut in > my back will remind me that! The biter, bit. Now you know how all the victims of the cortador del dedo feel Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:18:37 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: '...who knew?' Message-ID: <193.169cd59.297dfbcd@aol.com> Shane says: << take your pick...>> << over the years the way we do? >> oh, man...bingo. Glad to hear a thorough person say this in public. In absence of indisputable records, all that remains is some kind of detective work...inference is a bad word, but all you have to at least begin testing a theory to 'prove it' (often here as best as one can). I went over to The Aerodrome this weekend online to read some of Dan Sans-Abbott's responses to many of their listers: when he knows, he says, when he doesn't it's rather "I don't know-but here's what we *do* know, piecing this together". Lee does the same thing where he contributes. "How old is the sphinx?"....... I listen to every damn word.....and paste it to a Word doc. in case my memory darkens and fades with age, unlike these older, mentoring gentlemen. : ) Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:26:11 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: I had to tell somebody Message-ID: Mark's wife says: << "Haven't you already built one like that?" >> this may be the Roman Numeral One on the outline. I sure hear it a lot. "Am thinking of building an entire Squadron-The Nice Squadron" (take care to have replacement aircraft on deck-reserves are crucial here) I wouldn't ask for color ideas for the planes.... I have this suggestion: Fly your latest around the house making engine noises as you go. I haven't tried it yet, but think it may help. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:52:55 -0500 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: Re: control surface positioning/Again Message-ID: <001701c1a2d6$bfbcb140$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com> Hi Shane- I agree completely with you, but I made an attempt at presenting what would be more or less an applicable overview of the steep turn & knife edge in flying. Even the modern day? aircraft are influenced by prop rotation as a gyroscopic force, of which I refuse to get into, let alone the effect of the rotary. (ha ha ha) Later Tom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:00:09 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: control surface positioning/Again Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDA92@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Tom says: > I agree completely with you, but I made an attempt at > presenting what would > be more or less an applicable overview of the steep turn & > knife edge in > flying. Even the modern day? aircraft are influenced by prop > rotation as a > gyroscopic force, of which I refuse to get into, let alone > the effect of the rotary. (ha ha ha) Heck, don't ask me to explain any of it. I may be an engineer, but I went over to digital as soon as I discovered that you only needed to be able to count up to 1 in order to work in the field. Flying is way to mathematical for me - all those nasty force triangles and stuff....brrrrr Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:29:25 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Pegasus decals? Message-ID: <20020122002925.79861.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Americal/Gryphon provide their reasoning for their choice of roundel colors that is very convincing. Apparently, they based their choices on actual research and comparisons of multiple samples of genuine fabric. An overview of their work is presented with their cockade sheets. Recommended. --- Shane Weier wrote: > Neil says: > > > > So first they go brown, then washed out red? I > don't > > get this, where did that brownish colour come > from? > > Both Pegasus, Blue Rider and many profile painters > > > do them brown, if I'd been french in WW1 I'd have > complained! > > I wonder if someone, somewhere, actually did some > primary research and > discovered the original pigments? Or whether they > all speculated on whether > the pigments faded/darkened (take your pick, > depending on your favourite > theory) over the years the way we do? > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is > confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, > distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are > requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to > the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 > Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 > International ++61 7 38338042 > ********************************************************************** > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:42:25 -0500 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: Re: control surface positioning/Again/again Message-ID: <000501c1a2dd$aaacad80$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com> Shane says: > Heck, don't ask me to explain any of it. I may be an engineer, but I went > over to digital as soon as I discovered that you only needed to be able to > count up to 1 in order to work in the field. Flying is way to mathematical > for me - all those nasty force triangles and stuff....brrrrr ME TO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm from the "kick the tires, light the fire and go" era. OBTW Whats a 1? Later Tom ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:58:02 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Pegasus decals? Message-ID: <84.220a3038.297e212a@aol.com> In a message dated 1/21/02 2:46:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << I wonder if someone, somewhere, actually did some primary research and discovered the original pigments? Or whether they all speculated on whether the pigments faded/darkened (take your pick, depending on your favourite theory) over the years the way we do? Shane >> Project Butterfly says "The red contains red lead, an orange toner (I believe), a purplish-red lake and some rod-shaped chrome-yellow looking particles, chalk and possibly talc". The Butterfly guys worked from two small samples, one from a Salmson and one from a Nieuport 28. I don't know what the orange toner would've been...hey- I'm just quoting! (oh- and the blue is based on good ol' fashioned Prussian blue) RK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:11:10 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwim'" Subject: RE: Pegasus decals? Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDA94@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> RK, > << > I wonder if someone, somewhere, actually did some primary > research and > discovered the original pigments? Or whether they all > speculated on whether the pigments faded/darkened (take your pick, depending on > your favourite theory) over the years the way we do? > > Shane >> > > Project Butterfly says "The red contains red lead, an orange toner (I > believe), a purplish-red lake and some rod-shaped > chrome-yellow looking > particles, chalk and possibly talc". The Butterfly guys > worked from two small > samples, one from a Salmson and one from a Nieuport 28. I > don't know what the > orange toner would've been...hey- I'm just quoting! (oh- and > the blue is based on good ol' fashioned Prussian blue) Yup, I actually have the Project Butterfly stuff (and the commentary from A/G and .. and ..) Sorry, my post was intended as a rhetorical question, hence the carefully chosen words about "actual pigments". This old business about French Blue comes up about every 6 months and every six months we get a range of opinions about whether the pigments might have faded//darkened/dulled/discoloured/changed to vegemite/been polka dotted/whatever and rarely a shred of actual evidence quoted, just opinion based on whatever colour the author prefers. I don't mind rereading everyones opinion - it's interesting and valuable in its way but I was hoping for something better - and pleading just as guilty or more so of the fault of unsupported opinion than anyone else! < Are you listeniing in Bill? Your favourite thread! > Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:35:54 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Pegasus decals? Message-ID: <105.fd01e5a.297e2a0a@aol.com> In a message dated 1/21/02 6:20:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << Sorry, my post was intended as a rhetorical question, hence the carefully chosen words about "actual pigments". This old business about French Blue comes up about every 6 months and every six months we get a range of opinions about whether the pigments might have >> Yeah- about every six months I start trying to find the Butterfly C&C issues! RK ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jan 2002 19:37:57 -0800 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: control surface positioning Message-ID: <20020122033757.2313.cpmta@c016.snv.cp.net> On Mon, 21 January 2002, "Lee M." wrote: > > I thought about this for several hours and then looked at some books, > plans and photographs. This is just a thought... > > I am not very sure the ailerons on either top or bottom of a WWI plane > had much variation between the up and down movements. > > The cables are directly connected to the control column and then over > pullys to the control surfaces. > > The only way they could be different in movement would be by using > shorter or longer control horns since cable length is the same for both > directions. Up or down.. back and forth.. or however it is said. Lee I went through this same mental exercise and came up with the same conclusion. On the Albatros the connection from the stick to the ailerons is pretty straightforward. And the same stick motion, which makes one go up, makes the other go down. Can't see how you could make the aileron deflection greater in one direction only. I wonder if the ailerons might have sagged a little due to gravity and stretch in the lines, although I would imagine they would want these pretty tight. Thanks to everybody giving opinions on the turning question. My only experience with flying is computer games, and I doubt that qualifies me to speak intelligently on the subject. ;-) So .. What I conclude from the responses is: in a turn you would probably give the AC some up elevator and the rudder usage is variable but it seems likely that you would have to use it to try and keep the head up. Aileron deflection not much more than +/- 10 degrees, and would be mostly centered back on the wing once the desired bank angle was achieved. What I want to make is an image depicting J5 bouncing a flight of allied AC. So I don't think I need to show aircraft in any extreme attitudes. But loss of altitude is not an issue in this scenario because they are turning to the right and diving. Although - I am a little reluctant to go to the trouble of generating a bunch of J5 schemes when a new book on the subject is soon to be published. I hear it should contain some startling new data. Can’t wait ;-) Making compositions with AC is an interesting exercise Not too staged looking yet not too random. Not as easy as it looks :-) Mark Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:45:15 -0600 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Nigel's Wood Finish Message-ID: <00c601c1a2ff$9682cfc0$8c3dfad1@dwfjv01> Nigel, I really like your Albie. Although the use of water color pencils has been discussed a great deal on the list, I am just now beginning to experiment with it. Would you please be so kind as to explain to me how you used them to achieve that finish? Please feel free to reply off-list if you like if you don't want to take up the bandwidth. TIA! Warren ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:50:30 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Cutting PE Message-ID: G'day Esteemed Listlandarians; I'm making a pitot tube for the Triplane tonight and have designed one to be made of scrap PE (the PE sprue bits) and guitar string. When cutting larger bits of PE such as I want, what do people like to use? (I use the single edge blade with double sided tape on a tile for normal thingie cutting). I was thinking of using my sprue cutters but it will probably blunt them, like everything else does. Any tips etc (even jokes) would be greatly appreciated All the Best Neil E _________________________________________________________________________________ NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies immediately. 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(I use the | single edge blade with double sided tape on a tile for normal thingie | cutting). I was thinking of using my sprue cutters but it will probably | blunt them, like everything else does. | | Any tips etc (even jokes) would be greatly appreciated | | All the Best | | Neil E | | | | ____________________________________________________________________________ _____ | NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies immediately. 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