WWI Digest 4092

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Nearly OT Russian Ship Site
	by "Brent Theobald" <halberstadtcl2@hotmail.com>
  2) Telephones
	by "ZELNICK, KENNETH T" <KZELNIC@entergy.com>
  3) Re: I had to tell somebody...
	by "Diego Fernetti" <d_fernetti@hotmail.com>
  4) Re: the carpet monster really bites
	by KarrArt@aol.com
  5) Re: Tidying up was RE: RE: New addition
	by KarrArt@aol.com
  6) Re: control surface positioning
	by "Diego Fernetti" <d_fernetti@hotmail.com>
  7) Re: Hue IDs from B&W photos, was: Lozenge color help
	by KarrArt@aol.com
  8) Re: Telephones
	by "Diego Fernetti" <d_fernetti@hotmail.com>
  9) Re: the carpet monster really bites
	by "Diego Fernetti" <d_fernetti@hotmail.com>
 10) Re: Tidying up was RE: RE: New addition
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
 11) One more update
	by "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
 12) Re: the carpet monster really bites
	by KarrArt@aol.com
 13) Re: Kingston Vac Machine/again
	by "Tom Plesha" <plesha3@home.com>
 14) Re: control surface positioning
	by "Thomas Solinski" <tskio4@home.com>
 15) Change of email address
	by "Thomas Solinski" <tskio4@home.com>
 16) 
	by "Thomas Solinski" <tskio4@home.com>
 17) Re: control surface positioning
	by Steve Cox <steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk>
 18) Re: control surface positioning
	by "ot811" <ot811@myrealbox.com>
 19) Reply to Jan's question about JB Weld:
	by Robert Horton <artybob@netexpress.net>
 20) Re: control surface positioning
	by "Thomas Solinski" <tskio4@home.com>
 21) Re: control surface positioning
	by CAUhlir@aol.com
 22) RE: Brass tubes and boring corks was Roundels and painting
	by Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
 23) Re: More Eduard Nieuport Questions
	by Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
 24) RE: Pegasus decals?
	by Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
 25) RE: I had to tell somebody...
	by Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>

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Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:43:41 +0000
From: "Brent Theobald" <halberstadtcl2@hotmail.com>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Nearly OT Russian Ship Site
Message-ID: <F151CIvH6R9BTax0Ujs00009260@hotmail.com>

Howdy!

Todd gave out this address to visit a Russian ship modelers site:

http://modelyard.narod.ru/catalog.htm

It has some interesting pre-OT and post OT ships. What I found is this 
translation site does a great job so you can understand what's in the 
Russian web site:

http://babelfish.altavista.com

After accessing this I was able to understand most of what they posted to 
the web site.

Cool huh?

Later!

Brent

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Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:02:04 -0600
From: "ZELNICK, KENNETH T" <KZELNIC@entergy.com>
To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Telephones
Message-ID: <15888960D28CD211AD1900105A24907803EC9549@ano-exs02.ano.entergy.com>

Diego, there are some things about telephones you need to learn:

1. By having a telephone, you have a bell in your house that anyone in the
world can ring.
2. If it's important, they'll call back.
3. If it's not important, they'll usually call back.

If you weigh these against the importance of finding that dropped part,
you'll realize you don't need to jump up from what you're doing to answer
the phone.

Hope this helps, and keep on modeling!

Ken Zelnick

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Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:08:56 +0000
From: "Diego Fernetti" <d_fernetti@hotmail.com>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: I had to tell somebody...
Message-ID: <F80ltxYTWoyiPiJWbBx00002db9@hotmail.com>

Lance wrote:
>After 16 months of work -snip- >"That's nice, dear."
><Sigh>

Been there too... when I finished the stormtrooper figure wich is portrayed 
on the ww1 modelling page, I was so glad that first time Wanda arrived home 
I showed it to her. Her response was: "so, where he's going to throw that 
bottle?" (meaning the grenade). Enough!
However, when I demonstrated her how worked the wing-positioning-jig she was 
more interested in this instrument and tought it was an ingenious device. I 
guess that Wanda would have demonstrated more interest in the Felixstowe!
D.



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Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:09:15 EST
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: the carpet monster really bites
Message-ID: <18f.21c80cf.297db34b@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/21/02 4:59:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
d_fernetti@hotmail.com writes:

<< After a bit of 
 judicious searching I finally find it in the junction of two tiles and I 
 extracted from this hiding place with tweezers. Then the phone rang, I tried 
 to stand up but I was under a shelf with lots of books and when I moved, I 
 hit my spine against the corner of the shelf, wich made me a painful cut, 
 and about the 25 tomes of an encyclopaedia fell on my back. No wonder, I 
 lost the piece again, this time for ever... >>

You never have a camera ready when you need it! Sounds like a scene from a 
bad sitcom.
Sorry about the pain though. 
RK

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Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:09:13 EST
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Tidying up was RE: RE: New addition
Message-ID: <148.8272f5d.297db349@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/21/02 7:45:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, muzu@ptd.net 
writes:

<< > That's...uh......."preservative powder"...........keeps daylight off all
 the
 > valuables?
 Er....better be careful. Some of my clients tried that as a defense in a
 case and it didn't work ;-))
 Mike Muth, whose work area got tidied up by a fire 2  months ago, but will
 soon be back with a vengeance after the repairs are done...hopefully within
 the next week or so. White walls are to be painted today...then some white
 linoleum on the floor. No, I'm not going for a Goering motiffe, just figure
 it'll be easier to spot the fallen fiddlybits with a white floor.
  >>

A few years ago I bought a cheap 7' door and two steel saw horses for a work 
bench. Didn't help. No matter how I try, the work area eventually shrinks 
down to one corner of a small clipboard in my lap. At least the "preservative 
dust" can be washed off this.....when it REALLY needs it.
RK

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Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:16:06 +0000
From: "Diego Fernetti" <d_fernetti@hotmail.com>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: control surface positioning
Message-ID: <F753sl3xbYiMCIqtQvA00002dd2@hotmail.com>

Mark!
AFAIK, during a turn the ailerons must be kept near neutral position, just 
starting a turn the ailerons must be deflected. I guess that in the Albatros 
the full deflection of the ailerons must have been around the ten degrees, 
and so the rudder. The turning angle must not be too steep as perpendicular 
to the floor, as these airplanes didn't had enough power/speed to keep 
flying that way without a nasty spin. The tail should have been kept neutral 
during a normal turn as well, if the aircraft was well trimmed and 
coordinately flown.
D.


>From: Mark Miller <albatros1212@altavista.com>
>Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org
>To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
>Subject: [WWI] control surface positioning
>Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:09:50 -0500 (EST)
>
>Hi
>I have finaly gotten around to re-working my Virtual DVa model so that i 
>can reposition the control surfaces, and it occures to me that, not being a 
>pilot, I don't have a very good idea where they should go
>
>first - how much range of motion did the different control surfaces have. I 
>have one image with 10 degrees up on one aerleron 10 degrees down on the 
>other.
>
>when executing a tight turn -
>was it common practice to go into a 90 degree bank.
>and would you give "up elevator" to tighten the turn.
>
>and would you need to use the rudder to maintain attitude during the turn.
>
>or, how about typical errors non-pilots make when depicting aircraft in 
>flight?
>
>Any input would be appreciated
>Mark Miller
>
>
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>http://www.shopping.altavista.com




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Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:20:35 EST
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Hue IDs from B&W photos, was: Lozenge color help
Message-ID: <197.161f5e1.297db5f3@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/21/02 9:48:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
StefenK@netzero.net writes:

<< A photographic print
 can manage only a much narrow brightness range, perhaps 1 to 50, from the
 deepest developable black to the fixed brightness of the particular paper
 substrate.  >>

One problem also to consider is that most of us are working a lot of the time 
from printed material and not even real photos. The same photo printed in 
different publications usually varies quite a bit. Even in the same 
publication there can be variation.I've got two copies of the Sopwith 
Triplane Datafile (no......the extra one is not available!....one's a "work" 
one and the other is a spare for the day the other finally decomposes). One's 
overall lighter. Them there tiny ink dots don't always behave according to 
what was on the original negative or a "good"print from it.
RK

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Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:22:31 +0000
From: "Diego Fernetti" <d_fernetti@hotmail.com>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: Telephones
Message-ID: <F608Ua8d9Ee4zadTMVw00002d91@hotmail.com>

Thanks Ken!
I'll try to remember your advice. For some days, the cut in my back will 
remind me that!
D.


>From: "ZELNICK, KENNETH T" <KZELNIC@entergy.com>
>Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org
>To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
>Subject: [WWI] Telephones
>Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:04:21 -0500 (EST)
>
>Diego, there are some things about telephones you need to learn:
>
>1. By having a telephone, you have a bell in your house that anyone in the
>world can ring.
>2. If it's important, they'll call back.
>3. If it's not important, they'll usually call back.
>
>If you weigh these against the importance of finding that dropped part,
>you'll realize you don't need to jump up from what you're doing to answer
>the phone.
>
>Hope this helps, and keep on modeling!
>
>Ken Zelnick




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Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:24:32 +0000
From: "Diego Fernetti" <d_fernetti@hotmail.com>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: the carpet monster really bites
Message-ID: <F207DlYWy6PhuQinOkr00002c47@hotmail.com>

Robert the K wrote:
>You never have a camera ready when you need it! Sounds like a scene from a
>bad sitcom.

I finally understood how Kramer from "Seinfeld" must feel everyday...
D.


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Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:00:23 -0600
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: Tidying up was RE: RE: New addition
Message-ID: <E16SjL8-0004Pi-00@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net>

On Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:43:18 -0500 (EST), Muth and Zulick wrote:

> Mike Muth, whose work area got tidied up by a fire 2  months ago, but will
> soon be back with a vengeance after the repairs are done...hopefully within
> the next week or so. White walls are to be painted today...then some white
> linoleum on the floor. No, I'm not going for a Goering motiffe, just figure
> it'll be easier to spot the fallen fiddlybits with a white floor.

Except those fiddly bits you make from white Evergreen or
Plastruct... ;-)


Matt Bittner



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Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:49:34 -0600
From: "Matt Bittner" <tbittners@sprintmail.com>
To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: One more update
Message-ID: <E16SjTH-0004pq-00@pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net>

Just uploaded Alberto's last of the "new" Nieuport images, that
of his Triplane.

Enough words have been said.  There really are no adjectives to
describe his work adequately.


Matt Bittner
WW1 Modeling Page
Assistant Editor



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Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:19:52 EST
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: the carpet monster really bites
Message-ID: <25.21b6bebe.297dc3d8@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/21/02 10:29:30 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
d_fernetti@hotmail.com writes:

<< I finally understood how Kramer from "Seinfeld" must feel everyday...
 D.
  >>

Hey- you ought to do a self portrait cartoon showing this incident!
RK

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Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:48:27 -0500
From: "Tom Plesha" <plesha3@home.com>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: Kingston Vac Machine/again
Message-ID: <001301c1a2b4$990466a0$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com>

Hi Candice-
Egads, I ordered one on Saturday!  Oh well!!!!!!
He asked me for a review after I used it, do you mind if I share your
comments with him?
Later
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: <CAUhlir@aol.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 12:35 PM
Subject: [WWI] Kingston Vac Machine


> Hi All,
>   I noticed a post on Kingston vacs on the list last week so I decided to
finally fire mine up and try it out.  The good news is that I got two pretty
good casts of my 1/48 Vimy engine eggs out of three tries.  I am very
pleased.
>
>    The bad news is the overall construction needs work.  First up I had to
tape all the edges of the box to stop air leaks.  Easy but something I
shouldn't have to do.
>    The more troublesome is their connection port to the vacuum source.
They use a PVC fitting that is attached to the box via a screw and collar
arrangement.  My collar fell off inside the box when I was removing the
vacuum source.  The collar was just tightened down without any use of a
sealant of any type.  It appears impossible to reattach it without taking
the box apart.  Now I am faced with rigging up a rubber based friction
fitting of my own design.
>
>   the box is servicable...Kingston just needs to put a bit more thought
into the overall construction integrity.
>
> Candice
>


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Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:10:23 -0600
From: "Thomas Solinski" <tskio4@home.com>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: control surface positioning
Message-ID: <001801c1a2b7$a8c85260$a6a20d41@okcnc1.ok.home.com>

AHHH  a topic worthy of the the green/yellow can of worms!


----- Original Message -----

> first - how much range of motion did the different control surfaces have.
I have one image with 10 degrees up on one aerleron 10 degrees down on the
other.

Simple answer is it depends on the aircraft.  There were some Short torpedo
bombers and some Farmans that the ailerons only went down, there were no
cables in the system to pull them up.  At rest they hung straight down.
Other aircraft may have had the more modern effect of differential ailerons,
more throw up than down or vice versa to eliminate advers yaw.


> when executing a tight turn - was it common practice to go into a 90
degree bank.
> and would you give "up elevator" to tighten the turn.
Theoretically you can't go into a sustained 90 degree bank.  Since the wings
are now perpendictular to the  force of gravity, there no longer is any lift
to keep the plane up.  You must start to fall.  Also a 60 degree bank gives
you a 2G turn, anything above this gives you and the plane loading problems.
If you want to maintain the same altitude in any turn, even 5 degrees, you
must add some up elevator.

> and would you need to use the rudder to maintain attitude during the turn.
Again depends on the airplane.  At bank angles beyond 45 degrees  some
airplanes use "top rudder" or rudder opposite to the turn ie left rudder in
a right turn, because the rudder is now functioning partially as an
elevator, keeping the nose up in the turn.

Let's watch this one cook the rest of the day

Tom S


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Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:45:11 +0000
From: Steve Cox <steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: control surface positioning
Message-ID: <B8722E12.B625%steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk>

from what I recall of learning to fly a glider, and like the 11th September
pilots I never learnt take-off and landings, when you went into a turn you
pulled back on the stick a little, or the nose dropped. Whether this would
be done on a powered plane, and whether it would be enough to show I don't
know. I'm sure there are others on the list who would.
regards
Steve
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> From: "Diego Fernetti" <d_fernetti@hotmail.com>
> Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org
> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:16:42 -0500 (EST)
> To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
> Subject: [WWI] Re: control surface positioning
> 
> Mark!
> AFAIK, during a turn the ailerons must be kept near neutral position, just
> starting a turn the ailerons must be deflected. I guess that in the Albatros
> the full deflection of the ailerons must have been around the ten degrees,
> and so the rudder. The turning angle must not be too steep as perpendicular
> to the floor, as these airplanes didn't had enough power/speed to keep
> flying that way without a nasty spin. The tail should have been kept neutral
> during a normal turn as well, if the aircraft was well trimmed and
> coordinately flown.
> D.
> 
> 
>> From: Mark Miller <albatros1212@altavista.com>
>> Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org
>> To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@wwi-models.org>
>> Subject: [WWI] control surface positioning
>> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:09:50 -0500 (EST)
>> 
>> Hi
>> I have finaly gotten around to re-working my Virtual DVa model so that i
>> can reposition the control surfaces, and it occures to me that, not being a
>> pilot, I don't have a very good idea where they should go
>> 
>> first - how much range of motion did the different control surfaces have. I
>> have one image with 10 degrees up on one aerleron 10 degrees down on the
>> other.
>> 
>> when executing a tight turn -
>> was it common practice to go into a 90 degree bank.
>> and would you give "up elevator" to tighten the turn.
>> 
>> and would you need to use the rudder to maintain attitude during the turn.
>> 
>> or, how about typical errors non-pilots make when depicting aircraft in
>> flight?
>> 
>> Any input would be appreciated
>> Mark Miller
>> 
>> 
>> Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping!
>> http://www.shopping.altavista.com
> 
> 
> 
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Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:49:01 -0500
From: "ot811" <ot811@myrealbox.com>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: control surface positioning
Message-ID: <00e501c1a2bd$1394c4c0$0800010a@cyberelan.com>

Tom,
   I understand everything you said here, except for one thing:

> If you want to maintain the same altitude in any turn, even 5 degrees, you
> must add some up elevator.

Mine is pure book knowledge, but isnt it true that in theory, there are more
than one ways of increasing lift force a) changing wing incidence, b)
increasing speed, c) changing angle of engine thrust/pull
   a and c are normally achieved together with elevator, though a could be
done with flap alone.
In a turn you *must* increase engine power which will result in increased
speed if the elevator is not raised.  So wont this by itself suffice ?
(must = to retain altitude and speed)
I remain,
Your enquiringly,
SSH



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Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:01:00 -0600
From: Robert Horton <artybob@netexpress.net>
To: wwi@wwi-models.org
Subject: Reply to Jan's question about JB Weld:
Message-ID: <3C4C818B.C006DEF5@netexpress.net>

Hi gang...rather then post this off line, thought others might be
interested and Jim Landon, jump in here too please...I think from the JB
Weld pictures it is the automotive "mix."  It comes in two tubes, one
ounce each...red cap and black cap.  Red cap is labeled "hardener" and
black cap is labeled "steel."  Cost approximately $ 4.00 US.  From
several automobile buffs I know, that swear by it, it can work as an
adhesive and/or sealant and probably only limited by your imagination.
I would tend to think that you could even leave it in an unthinned gob
and mold around a thin wire and then file into shape of
whatever....anyway hope that helps....Bob Horton


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Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:16:56 -0600
From: "Thomas Solinski" <tskio4@home.com>
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: control surface positioning
Message-ID: <001801c1a2c0$f4a59f40$a6a20d41@okcnc1.ok.home.com>

>> Mine is pure book knowledge, but isnt it true that in theory, there are
more
> than one ways of increasing lift force a) changing wing incidence, b)
> increasing speed, c) changing angle of engine thrust/pull
>    a and c are normally achieved together with elevator, though a could be
> done with flap alone.
> In a turn you *must* increase engine power which will result in increased
> speed if the elevator is not raised.  So wont this by itself suffice ?
> (must = to retain altitude and speed)
> I remain,
> Your enquiringly,
> SSH
>
Let;s start with the assumption that our airplane is in balanced straight
and level flight.  If we have a 1000 unit of weight aircraft (pounds, stone,
tons , tonnes, or kilos) then the total 1000 unit lift vector is straight up
acting directly opposite the 1000 unit weight of the airplane.   Lift always
acts perpendicular to the top wing,  Weight always points straight down at
the center of the earth.   Now view the airplane from the tail looking
forward, and put it in a degree bank.  The 1000 units of lift is now tilted
to one direction by 5 degrees.  It is also the hypotenuse of a right
triangle.  the vector analysis of that triangle now results in 87 units of
lift pulling into the turn and only 996 units of lift actually lifting the
airplane.  We have a 4 unit loss of lift resulting in 996 pointing straight
up and 1000 pointing straight down.  Gravity is winning we will start to
descend.
Now back to your statement how do we get more lift?   by increasing wing
incidence, you pull up on the elevator to fly the wing at  a higher angle of
attack and get more lift.  Yes, given a fixed power setting airspeed will
decrease slightly too.  But the airplane will stabilize in a 5 degree banked
turn.

In the case of a  airplane trimmed to fly at 100 units of speed, in most
cases, unless there is a large amount of down thrust.  If I add power to the
aircraft will initially accelerate to a new airspeed.  But because it is
trimmed to fly at 100 it will eventually start to climb, and will stabilize
in a climb at 100 the trimmed forces on the wing and stabilizer will seek
the state (speed) they are trimmed for.

HTH

Tom S


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Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:24:18 EST
From: CAUhlir@aol.com
To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: control surface positioning
Message-ID: <181.26b5b49.297de103@aol.com>

Very true about keeping altitude during a turn needing some up elevator.   The steeper the turn the more nose up you need.  I did 60 degree turns that are needed for a commercial license and always had to add nose up via elevator at the start of a turn in addition to adding power to keep altitude to +- 50' in a 360 turn. After the bank is stabilized I had the power tweaked so I could just about not worry about the nose drifting too much.   Since many WWI airplanes only had a blip switch that would translate to nose up with the stick alone.

  ALso...it depends on the direction of the turn due to the prop torque.  I think it was less nose up going left in a Cessna, more going right.  I can't remember because after a bit it got to be pretty natural.

Candice

  



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Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:25:12 +1000
From: Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: RE: Brass tubes and boring corks was Roundels and painting
Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDA87@mimhexch1.mim.com.au>

Neil,

> I've been meaning to ask about this, it's a very good 
> idea. Where do you get your brass tubing?
> Alternatively, are these cork borer sets expensive 
> and difficult to find?

Model shops - there are five in Brisbane that I look into which have the K&S
brand brass rod/sheet/tube assortments, and that excludes the two model
railroad specialists who almost certainly have an even larger range.

Shane

(who is lucky to live in a city with so many model shops)






































 


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Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:37:05 +1000
From: Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: Re: More Eduard Nieuport Questions
Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDA89@mimhexch1.mim.com.au>

Ken says:

> They are not even present in non-profi Noop. 
> You are better off w/Aeroclub and a paint pot for said pipe. 
> Ed's non-profi Kit gives you jugs and no plumbing. Nice 
> enough, given the 
> mold, but not the accuracy you seek.
> No PE and No PE seat characteristic. You'll need after-market 
> to detail a  non-profi.

???

However, the "aftermarket" can be plastic rod, solder, copper wire,
aluminium wire, fuse wire, carefully manipulated wet noodles etc.

Shane






















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Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:40:42 +1000
From: Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: RE: Pegasus decals?
Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDA8A@mimhexch1.mim.com.au>

Neil says:


> So first they go brown, then washed out red? I don't
> get this, where did that brownish colour come from?
> Both Pegasus, Blue Rider and many profile painters 
> do them brown, if I'd been french in WW1 I'd have complained!

I wonder if someone, somewhere, actually did some primary research and
discovered the original pigments? Or whether they all speculated on whether
the pigments faded/darkened (take your pick, depending on your favourite
theory) over the years the way we do?

Shane























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Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:41:41 +1000
From: Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" <wwi@wwi-models.org>
Subject: RE: I had to tell somebody...
Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDA8B@mimhexch1.mim.com.au>

Lance,

> "That's nice, dear."
>

That's nice mate.....

Shane
























 


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