WWI Digest 4089 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: My budget is spent for this month... by "Matt Bittner" 2) Re: VAMP Site by Todd Hayes 3) Latest Scale Models Int'l (Different Take) by DNSH@aol.com 4) Eduard's PE seats by "Charlie and Linda Duckworth" 5) Neal O'Connor by "Bob Pearson" 6) (Eduard Nie.)23 Questions by Rory Goodwin 7) Re: Neal O'Connor by Carlos Valdes 8) Rivets by "Jim Landon" 9) Site Updates - belated thanks by "Fraser May" 10) Re: Rivets by PetersList@aol.com 11) Re: Rivets by "Hans Trauner" 12) Latest WS by "Alberto Casirati" 13) Source for Mr Surfacer? + ot reference question by "Tom Werner Hansen" 14) Re: Rivets by "ot811" 15) Another Streak Q by PetersList@aol.com 16) Re: gadflying about by a.r.martin@t-online.de (Rita) 17) Re: (Eduard Nie.)23 Questions by CoolSpadLuke@aol.com 18) MUSEUM by knut.erik.hagen@login-3.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) 19) 1:144 Mamoli RE8 by "cameron rile" 20) Re: 1:144 Mamoli RE8 by PetersList@aol.com 21) Re: 1:144 Mamoli RE8 by "Tom Plesha" 22) Re: Neal O'Connor by "Courtney Allen" 23) Re: 1:144 Mamoli RE8 by CoolSpadLuke@aol.com 24) RE: Loz question by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 25) Another addition by "Matt Bittner" 26) Re: Another addition by "Steven Perry" 27) RE: Loz question by "Shannon Mark" 28) Pegasus decals? by "Neil Crawford" 29) Bye all by "Steven Perry" 30) Re: Bye all by PetersList@aol.com 31) Re: Bye all by "Tom Plesha" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 17:07:57 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: My budget is spent for this month... Message-ID: On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:13:22 -0500 (EST), Hans Trauner wrote: > Yes, of course, Lance! But Americal are hard to obtain for me as they don't > accept plastic money. And cheques drawn to a US bank are nearly as expensive > as I would fly over to Americal and pick the decals up myself... And some of us are still willing to work on trades. ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:33:32 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: VAMP Site Message-ID: <20020119233332.79704.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> If I counted the number of 1/72 kits I own on my fingers, I'd have to cut some off! No 1/72 and counting. Still, the Staaken is tempting. --- CoolSpadLuke@aol.com wrote: > I was able to determine that the Sram 1/144 Zepplin > Staaken R.VI sells for $22.58, but couldn't order > anything. . . . .did I write that? You can count > the 1/72 scale kits I own on the fingers of one > hand, but 1/44th?! Then again, 11.5-inch wingspan > isn't too bad. :-) > > I looked in my "The German Giants" but couldn't > determine where the "Zepplin" came into the kit > description. There were several manufacturers of > the R.VI but I didn't see Zepplin among them. > S.S.W. seems to dominate several of the earlier > Staaken models. Did Zepplin "grandfather" the > design? > > Mike Kavanaugh > > In a message dated Sat, 19 Jan 2002 4:36:02 PM > Eastern Standard Time, "Brent Theobald" > writes: > > > Howdy! > > > > The VAMP site doesn't work for me. Nothing gets > displayed. > > > > Is this happening to anyone else? > > > > How much is the Staaken R.VI? Is there a group > order yet? > > > > Later! > > > > Brent > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: > http://messenger.msn.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:20:03 EST From: DNSH@aol.com To: Subject: Latest Scale Models Int'l (Different Take) Message-ID: <102.f2ccfcc.297b7543@aol.com> When I saw the SE5a article, I knew there would be comments about the quality of the model. I suppose I approached the model from a different standpoint. First, the author is one up on me because he has actually finished the model and mine still sits in a box in the garage. The article was reasonably well written and entertaining. To say "I'm afraid this is well below anything you'd strive to achieve." is patently unfair. It all depends on your skill level. To a new modeler who hasn't progressed past gluing the parts together and puttin decals on bare plastic, this is a level of finish he may wish to achieve. For modelers on the list, it may not be a level of finish they wish to accomplish. Keep in mind that not every model in the WWI site galleries is of national competition quality, but we would never think of calling them a "mess" or "completely amateurish." Instead, we would offer constructive advie on how to do it better in the future. The model actually reminds of a modeler's work that has appeared in Scale Aircraft Modelling for years. I'm referring to Mike McEvoy's models. He has been building for probably as many years as I've been alive, but his level of finish has not progressed beyond what was considered state of the art in the 1960s. Does that mean I consider his work amateurish? No, in fact, I like his models very much and find his articles interesting and accurate. Beyond that, the size of his collection must be enormous based on the number of models he finishes. And that to me is just as impressive as only having one or two museum quality models finished. Just my opinion... Dan Hartz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:35:18 -0600 From: "Charlie and Linda Duckworth" To: "wwi-faq" Subject: Eduard's PE seats Message-ID: <003c01c1a15b$58a52b80$3d32b9cc@unionrai> I recently received two sets of Eduards PE seats (their part number 48 357) and highly recommend them. You get twelve different seats and five different padded seats. The set contains seats for: - Pfalz D.IIIa - Albatros D.III. DV - SPAD VII - Hannover CL.III - Bristol M.1 - Nieuport 17 - Nieuport 11 - Morane L or Hanriot HD 2 - AEG C.IV (typo - probably meant G.IV) - RAF RE8 - Sopwith Snipe - Be.2c Put the Albatros seat in my Blue Max Albatros D.III Oef tonight and it looks great. Instructions advise the seat was aluminum so I'm leaving it in the metal color of the PE set. I'll substitute the metal pad for one made from thicker plastic. The Bristol, Sopwith and Be2 wicker seats are very detailed. Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 19:09:17 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: ww1 mailing list Subject: Neal O'Connor Message-ID: <101149626201@smtp.vphos.net> Hi all, I just received the following. . Gentlemen: Many of you have probably already heard the following sad news. Peter Grosz just called me to tell me that Neal O'Connor died either late last night or early this morning. His battle with ALS is finally over. There will be a memorial service at the First Presbyterian Church in Princeton in one week (next Saturday, Jan. 26) at 11 A.M. Peter has been asked to speak, and Dr. Holger Steinle is coming from the MVT in Berlin. You may send cards and condolences to Neal's wife : Nancy O'Connor 10 Constitution Hill East Princeton, NJ 08540 Neal's passing leaves a great void in our 'community'. He leaves behind an amazing legacy in his books and in the League of WWI Aviation Historians, which might not exist today without his many contributions and his knowledgeable guidance. Greg VanWyngarden ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 19:59:29 -0800 From: Rory Goodwin To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: (Eduard Nie.)23 Questions Message-ID: <3C4A40A1.4AD6099E@earthlink.net> OK, so I was out of it for a couple years and forgot Eduard put out a 23. Can someone tell me which ac are covered in this kit, if the wing has no center-section cutout and if engine has molded or PE intake (manifold) pipes. Also, what's average shipping in USD for a 1/48 kit from Silverbird to the States? (Ivan gives it by weight) TIA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 23:11:17 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Neal O'Connor Message-ID: <3C4A4365.15E2D767@conted.gatech.edu> This is very sad news. Neal's series of books on German aviation awards is an amazing and valuable reference work. He will be greatly missed. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 04:28:04 From: "Jim Landon" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Cc: TheGreatLandoni@hotmail.com Subject: Rivets Message-ID: Anybody know how to make rivet heads when you don't have the opportunity to emboss them from the backside before assembly? Reply to: TheGreatLandoni@hotmail.com I thought I'd be able to apply little drops of epoxy or white glue or paint but it didn't work - it just spread out into an oversized pool. I came up with a solution for part of my model, but there are other areas that need rivets added to the surface. I just posted two new photos on my website that will help explain all this: http://communities.msn.com/Salmson2A2 If the "What's new" page doesn't lead you to the new pics, go to section "J" pix 52 & 53. TIA, Jim Unsubscribed semi-listee _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 09:36:53 +0100 From: "Fraser May" To: Subject: Site Updates - belated thanks Message-ID: <001f01c1a18e$60d3b640$b34ab13e@m1i9c9> Good morning, Sorry to be behind time but I only got the digest this morning... Thanks for the kind comments about my Rumey DV. As to the colour scheme , had I but known what a pain it was going to be.... I wish I'd seen Marks amazing renders *before* I started, but I hadn't. I scratch bilt the undercarriage legs, by the way, as I screwed up the cut and extend thing. Not difficult, particularily, but took a bit of thought. I'm not sure it really shows,eithr. On a photo note, I used my old Olympus OM4ti - the best camera in the galaxy IMHO- on a tripod. Note the offending purple shadow in one shot. I reckon the profile in 'Alb. Aces' is the result of Rationalising to a 2d format - just a bunch of diagonal lines...but doing it onto a 'cigar'... Jasta five have a lot to answer for :~) I was pleased with it, though far from satisfied. At least the next DV I build should have the legs already corrected.. When I look around the model gallery I am constantly amazed at the standard of building, it really is inspiring. At the moment I'm in the middle of beating the Hobbycraft Camel into shape. Done the office in wood, new turtle back in copper sheet. CSM guns, and a lot of monkeying around with the gaping hole Hobbycraft have left there... Then I've got two Tripes.....live and learn Cheers Fraser ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 03:58:10 EST From: PetersList@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Rivets Message-ID: <197.15825a9.297be0a2@aol.com> In larger scales I have inserted hsp into pre-drilled half mm holes then sanded over to round off. The white glue method does work but is not precise enough. cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:25:15 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Rivets Message-ID: <000701c1a194$5e714d80$e2a072d4@FRITZweb> I use near perfect rivets, but this is not very helpful for other listmembers, I am afraid. A friend of mine gave me tiny, tiny tin slices. These tin slices are used for high tech soldering purposes, f.e. airbag ignition systems. They make perfect rivets after gentle sanding. They are good for 1/48 and above. In 1/72 I have made small rivet lines when I embossed aluminium foil from the back. But this can be used only for panels etc. H. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:54:11 +0100 From: "Alberto Casirati" To: "WW1 Modeling List" Subject: Latest WS Message-ID: <003101c1a1ba$10460da0$86e422d4@s> I have just received my copy of WS 1/2002 and must compliment Bob Pearson on his excellent work: lots of excellent colour profiles by Bob, related to Spads and Bleriot XIs....Some of them are already known to IM readers, but they are worth another careful (and enjoyable) look anyway. Great job, Bob, you deserve the widest possible audience! Alberto Casirati Honorary Keeper - Aviation Section Bergamo Museum of History www.museostoricobg.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 15:24:01 +0100 From: "Tom Werner Hansen" To: Subject: Source for Mr Surfacer? + ot reference question Message-ID: <003801c1a1be$27349460$4d8cd9c1@oemcomputer> Hi guys I'm only three days behind in my reading of the digests so some people may still remember this thread. I'm going to the US this summer and will look for this product (Mr Surfacer 500 and 1000) What's a likely source in California or Colorado? Tom W + ot qustion: Does anybody have any references for the racing plane "Mr.Mulligan" of tween'twe'wars fame? Answer off-list. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 09:07:06 -0500 From: "ot811" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Rivets Message-ID: <002701c1a1bb$bf5e0210$0101a8c0@delos> Jim, You can find plastic rivets made by Grandt Line in model railroad hobby stores. I am not sure you will find them big enough for your Salmson's scale. Of course, that would not be scratch-building. Did you consider pin-heads? regards SSH ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 09:08:43 EST From: PetersList@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Another Streak Q Message-ID: I've posted a couple of pics I found interesting on another forum. DSA has already given an opinion on them, but what do you lot think? http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/YaBB.cgi?board=aircraft&action=display&num=1 011463779 cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 16:11:28 +0100 From: a.r.martin@t-online.de (Rita) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: gadflying about Message-ID: <16SJd2-0mFG0uC@fwd06.sul.t-online.com> Hi, I have some nice coloured photos from the Shuttleworth LVG C.VI in a book. By interest I can send you a scan from the photos. Contact me off-list under: a.r.martin@t-online.de Greetings Andreas Stephen Cox schrieb: > At 9:50 pm -0500 18/1/02, Steven Perry wrote: > >Does anyone know of a place on the web where I can see color photos of the > >Shuttleworth LVG C.VI. ( looked on their site already) > >TIA > >sp > > > -- > Have a look on my site > Steve > http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:37:06 EST From: CoolSpadLuke@aol.com To: Subject: Re: (Eduard Nie.)23 Questions Message-ID: <144.823dc93.297c3e23@aol.com> Rory, I have an Eduard Nie 23 kit no. 8075. It is not a profipack and has no PE. Decals are for: (1) a DUX built Nie 23 flown by Kpt. Brodovicz, 19th (Death or Glory) Sqdn w/"bob" markings, IRAS, Spring 1917, and (2) Nie 23 flown by Marechai des Logis Edouard Comiglion-Molinier (I should be getting paid for writing names this long!), Esc. N561, French forces in Italy, Venice, Summer 1917. The upper wing has two slots for the aileron controls and a central slot furher forward, what purpose I don't know. Gun mount? Otherwise, no central cut-out. The engine is one-piece molded. As I said, no PE, so if there are any intakes they are molded. All I know from what I've read here, is that you are not supposed to put exhaust stains around them. :-) HTH, Mike Kavanaugh In a message dated Sat, 19 Jan 2002 10:56:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, Rory Goodwin writes: > OK, so I was out of it for a couple years and forgot Eduard put out a > 23. Can someone tell me which ac are covered in this kit, if the wing > has no center-section cutout and if engine has molded or PE intake > (manifold) pipes. Also, what's average shipping in USD for a 1/48 kit > from Silverbird to the States? (Ivan gives it by weight) > > TIA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:01:37 +0100 (CET) From: knut.erik.hagen@login-3.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: MUSEUM Message-ID: <20020120160137.1169C3437D@login-3.eunet.no> Folks, I do not know if people outside the UK are aware of the series published by Bob Ogden: "Aircraft Museums and collections of the world". It is a series of booklets listing museums for every country in the world. There are some 11 volumes. New editions are published with updates as appropriate. Doing a fair amount of travelling, I have found the series very useful. A booklet costs 7-10GBP, for that you get a listing of all known museums with location and if/when they are open to the public, aircraft on display/storage and an index so that you can see in which museums you can find a specific aircraft. To say something about its degree of details, the Asia volume has seven museums in Malaysia, one in Mongolia, one in Myanmar and one in North Korea. There is an Email adress given for the publisher/author: ogdenpubs@aapi.co.uk Eders Knut Erik ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 102 11:46:41 -0400 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: 1:144 Mamoli RE8 Message-ID: <600728D3CFA8A604083470BB6458136F@cameron.prontomail.com> The local club is having as its special section next month, "Small Builds", I did a 1:144 RE8 for it. Since this list doesnt deviate often from the standard scales ( I can only recall Dennis's DH5 ) folks may be interested. It isnt that great a build but interesting none the less. http://www.australianflyingcorps.org/user/cam/ cam www.australianflyingcorps.org nb: Eduard Schnieder and EE HB D.I ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:00:17 EST From: PetersList@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: 1:144 Mamoli RE8 Message-ID: <80.1646370e.297c51a1@aol.com> In a message dated 20/01/02 16:54:59 GMT Standard Time, cameron@prontomail.com writes: << http://www.australianflyingcorps.org/user/cam/ >> Just because I can't see anything smaller than 1:1 scale Volkswagen these days there's no need to rub it in. Fair goes Cam, it looks good. And it's rigged too1 cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:30:56 -0500 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: Re: 1:144 Mamoli RE8 Message-ID: <000b01c1a1d8$38182980$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com> Very nice, unusual and you rigged it! Later Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "cameron rile" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 11:52 AM Subject: [WWI] 1:144 Mamoli RE8 > The local club is having as its special section > next month, "Small Builds", I did a 1:144 RE8 > for it. Since this list doesnt deviate often > from the standard scales ( I can only recall > Dennis's DH5 ) folks may be interested. It isnt > that great a build but interesting none the > less. > > http://www.australianflyingcorps.org/user/cam/ > > > > > cam > www.australianflyingcorps.org > nb: Eduard Schnieder and EE HB D.I > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 09:41:12 -0800 From: "Courtney Allen" To: Subject: Re: Neal O'Connor Message-ID: <001401c1a1d9$a7ad1d40$be56510c@worldnet.att.net> Very sad. He will be missed by all. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Pearson" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 7:13 PM Subject: [WWI] Neal O'Connor > Hi all, I just received the following. . > > Gentlemen: > > Many of you have probably already heard the following sad news. Peter Grosz > just called me to tell me that Neal O'Connor died either late last night or > early this morning. His battle with ALS is finally over. > > There will be a memorial service at the First Presbyterian Church in > Princeton in one week (next Saturday, Jan. 26) at 11 A.M. Peter has been > asked to speak, and Dr. Holger Steinle is coming from the MVT in Berlin. > > You may send cards and condolences to Neal's wife : > > Nancy O'Connor > 10 Constitution Hill East > Princeton, NJ 08540 > > Neal's passing leaves a great void in our 'community'. He leaves behind an > amazing legacy in his books and in the League of WWI Aviation Historians, > which might not exist today without his many contributions and his > knowledgeable guidance. > > > Greg VanWyngarden > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:55:54 EST From: CoolSpadLuke@aol.com To: Subject: Re: 1:144 Mamoli RE8 Message-ID: <10c.b8e2406.297c5eaa@aol.com> Looks good, Cam, at least when my eyes are able to focus on it. What did you use for rigging, spider web? Mike Kavanaugh ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:39:37 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: RE: Loz question Message-ID: <012201c1a1e1$d1012030$f937183f@cyrixp166> No they are not identical - but they are related. Cyg. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Perry To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 10:09 PM Subject: [WWI] RE: Loz question > > Isn't Superscale == Microscale? > > Idono > sp > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:05:44 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Another addition Message-ID: Just added two new models from Nigel Rayner. Awesome work! The wood effect on the Albatros is stunning. Matt Bittner WW1 Modeling Page Assistant Editor ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:19:56 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Another addition Message-ID: <003301c1a1e7$72525440$0fe82341@tampabay.rr.com> Extraordinary wood Nigel. And you ain't no slouch with the rib tapes either. Very nice work! sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:26:36 -0600 From: "Shannon Mark" To: Subject: RE: Loz question Message-ID: <00a001c1a1f0$c2f147e0$661efea9@maincomp> From: "Shane Weier" Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 9:04 PM Subject: [WWI] RE: Loz question > Isn't Superscale == Microscale? Grew out of the same company. IIRC, a couple of brothers founded Microscale, and in the early to mid 80's parted the business. The one who kept the Microscale name was much more interested in railroad modeling. The other took the 'everything else' subjects and used them to start Superscale - keeping the older sheets in print under the new company name for a while, then beginning to add new sheets. > > If so, odd colours and no two sheets the same in my experience. That's okay > if you subscribe to the notion that batches varied, but the sheets I've seen > have all been so wildly different that you could at best use one sheet on > one model, then chuck the rest because you'd never find another sheet near > enough to be believable as a different batch of the same stuff. > > Or it may not be the same stuf.... > > :-) > > Shane I think this has changed in recent years. They seem to have done a revamping of the lozenge and 'standardized' the colors. Once upon a time I had some Humbrol mixes that I posted here to match Superscale 4-color lozenge. I haven't tried matching the 5-color, but I can say that where I have bought multiples of the sheets of either type combinations, the sheets matched to all extents. Since they were bought at different times, I would hazard that the variation problem is settled. As to whether the actual colors are acurate, that is subject to a lot of debate. The Superscale 4-colors are very muted compared with Aeromaster's, and they don't give quite the overall greenish-blue effect of Kosters or A/G's. They are fairly similar to Eagle Strike versions, though the later has a duller light green. On the 5-color, I do not have as much comparison. To me, the Eagle Strike and the Aeromaster are identical, in these. The Superscale IIRC gives more of an upper surface/lower surface contrast, in toto, The purple of the Superscale is darker, and the blue lighter, in the upper surface sheets than Aeromaster's. This gives a stronger contrast between these colors, but the green and dark turquoise lose contrast. In the Aeromaster sheets, the green, purple, and blue all have some contrast but not a lot, and the dark turquoise may be too pure a green, from what Mark Miller and I are seeing. Course, even with using exact science, matching these colors is not an exact science. People here have suggested that Aeromaster's and Superscale's 5-color lozenge is quite reasonably accurate. I do not have any primary standards, only reported values and printed photos. .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:41:53 +0100 From: "Neil Crawford" To: "ww1 list" Subject: Pegasus decals? Message-ID: <000c01c1a1fb$48661f40$2bf297d4@default> Hi, How are Pegasus decals? Can you use them without a white backing? I might use them on my Spad 12, but apart from the translucency thing I have another worry. Anders has done my Fonck decals quite a bright red, I asked for that because I don't quite believe in all these brown french roundels. I think people have been complaining about the blue-grey centres, but how realistic are these brown outer rings, I'm doing Foncks as a new a/c so brighter red? It will probably end up with that dreaded roundel painting, and I recently swore not to do that again:-( In that case I only need to do the white and red, I can use the Pegasus blue-grey centres, what was wrong with blue-grey anyway? /Neil C. Nb: Spad 12 Pegasus hybrid 1/72 Nu: I'm in that delightful state of being nearly finished, and can seriously think about what next, I will have 2.5 months to the Swedish Nat's, and the hot favorite is twin-boomed and ot....... (gasp, shock, distress) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:10:44 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Bye all Message-ID: <005901c1a1ff$4e9b0840$0fe82341@tampabay.rr.com> Fixin to take the 'puter down to work on it. Borrowed a 4' pipe wrench, 12 pound sledge and a Johnson bar from work. Now how does that cover thingie come off? So if I disappear off the radar screen for a few days, tip your keyboards in respect because the operation will have failed and the patient died. Y'all play nice now. ttyl sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:16:06 EST From: PetersList@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Bye all Message-ID: In a message dated 20/01/02 22:12:52 GMT Standard Time, sperry03@tampabay.rr.com writes: << Borrowed a 4' pipe wrench, 12 pound sledge and a Johnson bar from work. Now how does that cover thingie come off? >> Chainsaw's your best bet Steve. A pair of stout gloves and steel toed boots are also advisable. Then just sit back and watch SWMBO lay into it. cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:18:55 -0500 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: Re: Bye all Message-ID: <000501c1a200$73b49a00$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com> You forgot the torch to loosen things up with first!!!! Later Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Perry" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 5:11 PM Subject: [WWI] Bye all > Fixin to take the 'puter down to work on it. Borrowed a 4' pipe wrench, 12 > pound sledge and a Johnson bar from work. Now how does that cover thingie > come off? > > So if I disappear off the radar screen for a few days, tip your keyboards in > respect because the operation will have failed and the patient died. > > Y'all play nice now. > ttyl > sp > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4089 **********************