WWI Digest 4078 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: French Roundels - was: Re: Hello - Salmson decals by "Matt Bittner" 2) RE: Hello by Volker Haeusler 3) Re: "One Airmans War" by "cameron rile" 4) Re: French Roundels - was: Re: Hello - Salmson decals by Jan Vihonen 5) Re: Oberusel attn: Neil E.. by "cameron rile" 6) Re: "One Airmans War" by "Ross Moorhouse" 7) Re: Oberusel attn: Neil E.............. by Crawford Neil 8) Re: French Roundels - was: Re: Hello - Salmson decals by "Michael Kendix" 9) On the subject of French Roundels... by David Fleming 10) Re: Oberusel attn: Neil E.............. by KnnthS@aol.com 11) Re: New addition by KnnthS@aol.com 12) =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_Bertra=DF_Albatros_D.III?= by CoolSpadLuke@aol.com 13) Re: tech support by KnnthS@aol.com 14) Re: Hello - Salmson decals by "Matt Bittner" 15) R: Re: New addition by "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" 16) =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=2020Re:=20Bertra=DF=20Albatros=20D.III?= by KnnthS@aol.com 17) Re: Oberusel attn: Neil E.. by "Brent Theobald" 18) Re: French Roundels - was: Hello - Salmson decals by tbittners@sprintmail.com 19) More updates by tbittners@sprintmail.com 20) Re: Color films was:Red or Yellow by "Lee M." 21) Hello by a.r.martin@t-online.de (Rita) 22) RE: Color films was:Red or Yellow by "Lee M." 23) Surfacer Qns by "ot811" 24) Re: Oberusel attn: Neil E.. by "Lance Krieg" 25) Re: Oberusel attn: Neil E.. by "Graham Hunter" 26) Red or Yellow by "Fraser May" 27) Re: Red or Yellow, NO, BLUE! by KnnthS@aol.com 28) Re: Oberusel attn: Neil E.. by KnnthS@aol.com 29) Re: Hello by a.r.martin@t-online.de (Rita) 30) Re: Red or Yellow by Nigel Cheffers-Heard 31) Re: albi landing gear color lowdown by "Hans Trauner" 32) =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BWWI=5D_Bertra=DF_Albatros_D.III?= by "Hans Trauner" 33) helice levasseur prop by "john shank" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 06:10:41 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: French Roundels - was: Re: Hello - Salmson decals Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Jan 2002 07:03:57 -0500 (EST), Jan Vihonen wrote: > What was wrong with A/G roundels? The white printed only partly under > the red and showing through in two different shades? Exactly. > Could this problem be fixed if the decal is attached on top of white > painted circle of same diameter, do you think? Not so easy, because there's a "ridge" where the white ends under the red. Not only two shades of red, but a definite "step" where the two shades exist. If you can get the extra white exactly to match where the original white ends, then it should work. However, that's going way beyond me. If Central Powers builders can get their crosses, why can't allied builders get some decent cockades? It really upsets me to no end... > Just a thought (implying some extra work), Thanks, and a good one. Just too much work, for me. If I was to go to that type of work, I'll just airbrush my roundels on. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:32:15 +0800 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Hello Message-ID: Hi Andreas, a (slightly late) welcome also from Malaysia on the other half of the globe. I think you will enjoy this list as much as all those addicts we have already... Volker (who incidentally lived in Mainz for quite some time - and was a regular visitor to the Frankfurt Modeling Club at that time) -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Rita Sent: 16 January 2002 00:26 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Hello Hello, I am Andreas from Germany. Now I build WWI-aircraft models since about 10 years. If you are interested, visit my homepage under: http://fly.to/jasta I search for decals in 1/48 for a Salmson 2A2. Has anyone an idea if such decals exists and from whom I can get them? Greetings Andreas Martin Frankfurt/M., Germany ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 07:21:53 -0500 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: "One Airmans War" Message-ID: Ross, >I have never heard of this book. Is it on >sale here? You can get it direct from Banner Books. Joe was Ross Smiths fitter as well. http://www.banner-books.com.au/ Have been lucky enough to meet Mark Lax a few times when he was studying in the US or in Washington at the embassy. He is an ex-F111 navigator, Mark is a great bloke too. cam www.australianflyingcorps.org ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:18:01 +0200 From: Jan Vihonen To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: French Roundels - was: Re: Hello - Salmson decals Message-ID: <3C456F79.9E65C3D0@helsinki.fi> > > Could this problem be fixed if the decal is attached on top of white > > painted circle of same diameter, do you think? > > Not so easy, because there's a "ridge" where the white ends under > the red. Not only two shades of red, but a definite "step" where > the two shades exist. Uhuh. Damn. If you can get the extra white exactly to > match where the original white ends, then it should work. Another big Damn. > However, that's going way beyond me. If Central Powers builders > can get their crosses, why can't allied builders get some decent > cockades? It really upsets me to no end... > I'm with you here. Also kitwise. > > Just a thought (implying some extra work), > > Thanks, and a good one. Just too much work, for me. Way too much for me, too. If I was to > go to that type of work, I'll just airbrush my roundels on. > Seems to be the least difficult way at the moment. :-( Jan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 07:31:11 -0500 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Oberusel attn: Neil E.. Message-ID: <632051E303D620640B665FBE7B33A627@cameron.prontomail.com> Ross, >But could you not do it a bit oily/dirty >just landed look?? I had some photos of the Rhinebeck N11, focusing around it's engine and underneath. Unfortunately xoom/nbci put paid to them being on the web. Probably the best way to describe it was that it was like someone spat iron bark honey all over the engine back plate and the plywood under the fuselage near the engine. It was thick, sappy, dirty, streaky and globular. cam www.australianflyingcorps.org ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:30:28 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: "One Airmans War" Message-ID: <01e801c19e89$94fb7460$3b482dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> Thanks Cam.. Looking at the book now at their site. What are the photos in it like seeing as there are 100 of them?? Cheers Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "cameron rile" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 11:20 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: "One Airmans War" | Ross, | | | >I have never heard of this book. Is it on | >sale here? | | You can get it direct from Banner Books. Joe was | Ross Smiths fitter as well. | | http://www.banner-books.com.au/ | | Have been lucky enough to meet Mark Lax a few | times when he was studying in the US or in | Washington at the embassy. He is an ex-F111 | navigator, Mark is a great bloke too. | | | | cam | www.australianflyingcorps.org | | | | | | ______________________________________________________________ | Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:44:41 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Oberusel attn: Neil E.............. Message-ID: This kind of millitary thinking might explain the painted on lozenge on Aviatiks (I think), and maybe also the splinter camouflage the Swedish Air Force use on their Viggens (and anything else that they can get their paintbrushes on, like VW buses), paint em green I say! /Neil C. PS. and keep em clean so I don't have to do all this darn weathering Shane has a point though that I think many miss > unless you have been > associated with the military at all, as I know Shane has. > This "cleaning > bit" is the bane of EM the world over, and throughout time. > It doesn't > matter if it will do any good to "clean it", or if "it" can > be cleaned at > all, but by jove you had dang better sure be going through > the motions of > doing so, or have some kind of proof to the Officer of the > Day that you have > or it's extra duty for you. > > Warren > Who has cleaned his share of mud out of road wheels/bogies . . > Just to see 'em fill up again in five minutes. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:47:05 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: French Roundels - was: Re: Hello - Salmson decals Message-ID: I was wondering about this French blue colour. Is it really that light bluish-grey or just light blue? Doesn't age affect the light blue, fading it towards a grey? I would never have noticed anything wrong with those A/G decals if Matt Bittner had kept quiet:). Michael > > I see a second problem for French roundels: The rather light, blueish >gray > > color mainly used for French roundels is one that is difficult to >reproduce > > on an ALPS without the "dithering" effect > >True . . luckily in 1/72 it is so small :-) One other possibility is to go >to a slightly darker shade from the extant samples > >Bob > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:16:10 +0000 From: David Fleming To: Subject: On the subject of French Roundels... Message-ID: <1011190570.3c458b2a499f2@netmail.pipex.net> Did the French ever apply roundels to the fuselage sides a la RFC/RNAS ? Is a side roundel a good indiaction that a Morane/Nieuport etc is in British service ? Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 09:19:53 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Oberusel attn: Neil E.............. Message-ID: In a message dated 16/1/02 4:46:47 am, Neil.Crawford@volvo.com writes: << but by jove you had dang better sure be going through > the motions of > doing so, or have some kind of proof to the Officer of the > Day that you have > or it's extra duty for you. > > Warren > Who has cleaned his share of mud out of road wheels/bogies . . > Just to see 'em fill up again in five minutes. >> I do this with my motorcycle, my hobby tools and my carpentry box just because of that-when it comes to good care, you are your own Officer of the Day... Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 09:21:54 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: New addition Message-ID: <57.4ffe21f.2976e682@aol.com> Matt writes: << Just added Pedro's latest, a MAC Phonix D.I. Superb work, Pedro!! >> I agree! Thankyou folks. It's beautiful Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 09:24:34 EST From: CoolSpadLuke@aol.com To: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_Bertra=DF_Albatros_D.III?= Message-ID: How did you do that? In a message dated Tue, 15 Jan 2002 9:43:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Bob Pearson" writes: > (wonder if that funny German B which means double ss is going to turn out) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 09:29:46 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: tech support Message-ID: Karen and Shane wrote: << a skilled operator of the machine can make adjustments >> is the operative phrase. can use the 'ole in me gob, but only if me tech mate is using 'is. is the point, it is. But advice appreciated Karen & Shane, as always- Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:39:50 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Hello - Salmson decals Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:35:48 -0500 (EST), David Fleming wrote: > I'd buy those - in fact I'd go halvers with any one who wanted only the French in > 1/72 . That would definitely be me. ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:27:52 +0100 From: "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: R: Re: New addition Message-ID: <43EB244779F3D411966E0060082C59E906F37F@SERVER1> Very nice job, Pedro ! Well done ! Alberto Casirati -----Messaggio originale----- Da: KnnthS@aol.com [SMTP:KnnthS@aol.com] Inviato: mercoledi 16 gennaio 2002 15.22 A: Multiple recipients of list Oggetto: [WWI] Re: New addition Matt writes: << Just added Pedro's latest, a MAC Phonix D.I. Superb work, Pedro!! >> I agree! Thankyou folks. It's beautiful Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 09:42:32 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=2020Re:=20Bertra=DF=20Albatros=20D.III?= Message-ID: <189.1db47bf.2976eb58@aol.com> ß option - 's' option s me good man ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:35:26 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Oberusel attn: Neil E.. Message-ID: Howdy! There are some pictures of a Fokker Dr.I on the WWI modeling site that were taken in 1999. The Dr.I has a vintage rotary in it and has just landed. As a result you can see all the oil that was splashed around. Brent _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:37:22 -0500 (EST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: French Roundels - was: Hello - Salmson decals Message-ID: <20020116153722.C5EBE46836@eclipse.qis.net> On Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:49:00 -0500 (EST), Michael Kendix wrote: > I was wondering about this French blue colour. Is it really that light > bluish-grey or just light blue? Doesn't age affect the light blue, fading > it towards a grey? Take a look at Guynemer's SPAD 7. Looks bluish-grey to me. ;-) > I would never have noticed anything wrong with those A/G decals if Matt > Bittner had kept quiet:). Who, me? Never!! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:05:10 -0500 (EST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: More updates Message-ID: <20020116160510.25676467C4@eclipse.qis.net> Forgot to mention before I left for a school function this morning. Added new images of Alberto's Nieuport 28. There are no words to describe. Also added four new Nieuports from Marc Flake. Hey, people send me Nieuport images, I don't mind taking a break from modeling to add them. Those are quite nice as well!!! Plus, I added another IM review. This one - in line with whatever is happeneing at ICM - is Michael Kendix's ICM Ilya review. Next one on the plate is Pedro's Salamander. People may be wondering why no 1/48th? Well, the biggest problem is the person who did most of the 1/48th reviews at IM (before leaving) was an ex-listee that has been banned from the site. I don't feel it would be "right" to add his reviews in light of that. So, that means IM needs more people to review 1/48th models for them. In fact, IM needs more people to review, period. C'mon, people!! Step up to the plate! Matt Bittner WW1 Web Site Co-Editor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:07:22 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Color films was:Red or Yellow Message-ID: <3C45A53A.4A7912EF@x25.net> For good photos. There is another thing to think about. A number of the automatic process and print machine have a reader that "talks" to the printing section and it will try to make automatic adjustments in color values. I have found that Wolf and Ritz do better than drugstore and grocery store machinery. The best is a bit more pricey, and, they are the professional Film processing places in larger cities. I have found a "Pro" that will do my digital, direct, from the Compact Flash card at .50 per 4 X 6 as long as no manipulation is required. I have some done, usually, prior to making any larger prints so we can tell what needs to be done if anything. They also do truly fine work with 35mm printing, provided you have done good work, and processing to begin with, up to a 16 X 20. We use them to make 8 X 10's to sell at air shows. The photos of the Farman, the TM Scout and the E-V/D-VIII on the site have all been enlarged to more than 8 X 10 from 35 mm. Lee M. Clipped... Karen Rychlewski wrote: > > Warning: longish message about film...tiny OT content > > Despite Bob Laskodi's lament at the loss of "Mom and Pop" film processors, I > think there are still a number of alternatives. Many US malls have a "1 Hour > Photo" or equivalent, where you can watch a huge machine eat a roll of > unprocessed film and spit out prints at its far end. These machines are > calibrated for 'average' snapshots of Granny and the kids, not the type of > pictures one takes in an aviation museum. But these places usually have a > 'customer satisfaction guarantee' and will re-print pictures you're unhappy > with (within reason...). And a little-known fact is that a skilled operator of > the machine can make adjustments to change the color balance of the prints. So > make friends with your local emporium clerks. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:11:46 +0100 From: a.r.martin@t-online.de (Rita) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Hello Message-ID: <16QsfC-0xAGQKC@fwd05.sul.t-online.com> Hello, many thanks to all the guys and girl who send me welcome-mails. Thanks also for the hints and offers about the Salmson decals. I will make contact the next days. Greetings Andreas Martin Frankfurt/M., Germany ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:16:31 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Color films was:Red or Yellow Message-ID: <3C45A75F.227CFEE1@x25.net> I usually have my film work done by a Kodak owned and operated company in some other place. They have one or two in each state so far as I know. They make the CD at the time the film is processed and it is very good work. Living in Central Texas the nearest is Dallas. (Close to 500 miles one way.) Takes 5 days. I never have the film processed locally except by Pros and that can get very expensive very fast. 24 processed and two 4X6 for each negative is usually close to $14 USD. That includes all handling, shipping, and, the CD. Shane Weier wrote: I *ask* and the film is sent from where I drop it off, > to another shop for processing. > > Similar situations presumably apply elsewhere. The hole in the front of the > head can be utilised for asking questions in almost any country ;-) > > Shane > > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. 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I am looking for tips, suggestions, experience, etc. Thanks SSH ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:40:32 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Oberusel attn: Neil E.. Message-ID: Brent points out: "There are some pictures of a Fokker Dr.I ... that were taken in 1999." And unless my eyes deceive me, that's Dr. Tom Morgan masquerading as a German groundcrew. They shoot spies, Doc! Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:05:48 -0600 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: Re: Oberusel attn: Neil E.. Message-ID: <000701c19eb0$0d213f80$770101c0@ghunter> Lance wrote; < To: Subject: Red or Yellow Message-ID: <002401c19eb0$8bb7dd40$6b7914d4@m1i9c9> Lot of good ideas and suggestions coming up. I haven't found anyone here in Prague who prints to disk... but I do have Photoshop and nothing gets out of here without going through an 'adjust colour balance and or brightness and contrast' routine until what I see on the screen resembles what I built/painted. But thats on my monitor, wouldn't have any idea what it looks like on anyone elses though, and even Photoshop couldn't get rid of the purple shadow under my Albatros provided by Mr. Fuji's Superia emulsion.. there are *lots* of variables at work when you do images for screen...I could never quite get that through to my former employer... There's no doubt that a 'standard' reference shot -chart, person or whatever will help as not too many photo techies are going to be familiar with Herr Voss' Cowling...:~) Have fun F ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 12:13:32 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Red or Yellow, NO, BLUE! Message-ID: <173.2324a0d.29770ebc@aol.com> Fraser writes: << as not too many photo techies are going to be familiar with Herr Voss' Cowling...:~) >> and I, for one, so envy these unfettered orthochromatic dislexia persons. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 12:14:13 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Oberusel attn: Neil E.. Message-ID: <147.7ed3f98.29770ee5@aol.com> In a message dated 16/1/02 9:05:38 am, mbpw0220@mts.net writes: << Ahh what a great time that was. >> the nose or the sleeve? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:15:40 +0100 From: a.r.martin@t-online.de (Rita) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Hello Message-ID: <16Qtf2-04ugBkC@fwd09.sul.t-online.com> Hello Tom, thanks for your welcome and your offer about the Salmson decals. Here is my eMail-adress: a.r.martin@t-online.de Greetings Andreas Thomas Solinski schrieb: > > > > > I search for decals in 1/48 for a Salmson 2A2. Has anyone an idea if such > decals > > exists and from whom I can get them? > > > Andreas, welcome from Oklahoma! > > Vac wings 48 of Grand Rapids Michigan produced a beautiful Salmson with > markings for 10 different aircraft! I guess that's one way to influence > multiple sales. > > I'd be willing to part with a set of squadron markings and the associated > serial numbers. I need to keep the US cockades though. > > If you'll give me you home email I'll send you a scan of the available > markings. > > Tom Solinski > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:45:45 +0000 From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Red or Yellow Message-ID: But thats on my monitor, wouldn't have any idea what it looks >like on anyone elses though, and even Photoshop couldn't get rid of the >purple shadow under my Albatros provided by Mr. Fuji's Superia emulsion.. Colorsync works really well on Macs, and lets you get your monitor colours really close pretty easily. Most PC users have too much contrast and too much colour. If you have a purple shadow, you either have mixed colour lighting which the printer has tried to correct, or crossed curves, which is a whole new kettle of fish..... Properly exposed and processed Superia definitely doesn't give purple shadows. Have you tried scanning the neg yourself? N -- Nigel Cheffers-Heard photography + design tel: +44 (0)1392 87 58 57 fax: +44 (0)1392 87 74 97 mobile: 0771 261 4514 nigelch@cheffers.co.uk www.cheffers.co.uk Laburnums, Bridge Hill Topsham, Exeter EX3 0QQ, UK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:53:10 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: albi landing gear color lowdown Message-ID: <001f01c19eb6$ab520440$6ead72d4@FRITZweb> Bucky, I do mine with all struts in grey ( 'pale grey', same grey as all other metal work, like struts and engine cover) and the wheel covers in a greenish light blue ( for a LVG version; should be simple light blue for a Albatros Albatros). This is based on DSA's WWI Aero Article ( which I got from Volker). Hans > Anybody have the lowdown on Albi D.II landing gear color? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:56:05 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BWWI=5D_Bertra=DF_Albatros_D.III?= Message-ID: <003701c19eb7$11c966a0$6ead72d4@FRITZweb> a) Bertraß kit decal: Never saw one. b) the ß comes out great. It's called 'scharfes S', or 'sharp S'. Please don't ask why. Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Pearson" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 3:42 AM Subject: [WWI] Bertraß Albatros D.III > All, > > Does any kit provide the markings for Bertraß's D.III .. otherwise that > could be done as part of an Albatros sheet. > > Bob > (wonder if that funny German B which means double ss is going to turn out) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:55:08 From: "john shank" To: WWI@WWI-models.org Subject: helice levasseur prop Message-ID: Hi, Mike Franklin suggested I contact you and indicated I should be contacted off list. My question is that I have found an old propeller,perhaps WWI or early 20s. An article I read said that Helice Levasseur's were used on Nieuport 28's. Is there any way to tell the age of this prop or what it was used on? It does have the leading edge in metal,brass maybe copper, and I noticed in many pictures of WWI Nieuports that they were mainly all wood. The prop is between 8 or 9 feet and the hub is perhaps 7 inches thick. It is a very old propeller. Thanks for any assistance. John Shank _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4078 **********************