WWI Digest 4071 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Oberusel attn: Neil E.............. by "Ross Moorhouse" 2) Re: Oberusel attn: Neil E.............. by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 3) ebay item by "David Watts" 4) Re: Oberusel attn: Neil E.............. by Shane Weier 5) Re: Books on flying early aircraft, construction, etc by "ot811" 6) Re: Oberusel attn: Neil E.............. by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 7) Re: Jane's Fighting Aircraft of WWI by KarrArt@aol.com 8) Re: Bob's next decal sheet by "Rick Milas" 9) Re: Books on flying early aircraft, construction, etc by "Lee M." 10) Re: Oberusel attn: Neil E.............. by "Lee M." 11) Re: Books on flying early aircraft, construction, etc by Shane Weier 12) Red or orange-yellow? by "Fraser May" 13) Humbrol Satin(ish) Varnish by "Fraser May" 14) RE: Bob's decals by Rory Goodwin 15) Re: Jane's Fighting Aircraft of WWI by Rory Goodwin 16) RE: Biddle's SPAD XIII by Rory Goodwin 17) Re: General Questions by Rory Goodwin 18) Re: Oberusel attn: Neil E.............. by Ray Boorman 19) Re: Oberusel attn: Neil E.............. by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 20) Re: Jane's Fighting Aircraft of WWI by Tom Gourdie 21) Aircraft dimensions by Tom Gourdie 22) Re: Aircraft dimensions by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 23) RE: Biddle's SPAD XIII by Crawford Neil ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:28:08 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Oberusel attn: Neil E.............. Message-ID: <015701c19d7d$08d78760$3b482dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> This is correct. They exhaust exits straight out from the valve. Hence all the castor oil thrown around the place. Don't worry Neil it took me awhile to find out that they did have even exhaust stubs off an exhaust port. I looked at a few pics and then the light dawned. Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Weier" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 3:16 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Oberusel attn: Neil E.............. | Neil says: | | | > The rods on the side I assumed were exhausts and as the | > Clerget didn't have them in that position, | > (I think they were to the rear of the | > cylinder -I will add them there when I attach the engine | > to the fuselage) | | Arrggghhh... | | Repeat after me "there are no exhaust pipes on a rotary aero engine" | | :-) | | Shane | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ********************************************************************** | The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is | intended only for the use of the addressee(s). | If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or | copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to | forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the | MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. | | For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 | Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au | Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 | International ++61 7 38338042 | ********************************************************************** | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:29:30 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Oberusel attn: Neil E.............. Message-ID: "There are no exhaust pipes on a rotary aero engine" mea culpa ;- ) (lucky I hadnt put them on yet!) Thanks Shane : - ) All the Best Neil E _________________________________________________________________________________ NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication, you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of the Department of Human Services. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of the Department. Except as required by law, the Department does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. If you have received this email in error or have other concerns regarding this transmission, please contact the Department of Human Services System Administrator at Postmaster@dhs.vic.gov.au _________________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:25:31 -0500 From: "David Watts" To: "W. W. I Group" Subject: ebay item Message-ID: Hi all, Hope I'm not stepping on anyone's toes. Here is an early modeler's attempt at a large-scale model of an Albatros. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1060399298 Best, Dave W. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:35:52 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Oberusel attn: Neil E.............. Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDA32@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Neil says: > "There are no exhaust pipes on a rotary aero engine" > > mea culpa ;- ) > > (lucky I hadnt put them on yet!) LOL FWIW if there *are* pipes, they're *intake* pipes feeding fuel air mixture *to* the cylinder. They should be there for many rotaries, but monosoupapes etc. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:39:24 -0500 From: "ot811" To: Subject: Re: Books on flying early aircraft, construction, etc Message-ID: <010a01c19d7e$9d114780$0101a8c0@delos> Lee, My direct e-mail to you bounces. What am I doing wrong? ----- The following address(es) had permanent fatal errors ----- ; originally to lemen@x25.net (unrecoverable error) The mail system encountered a delivery failure, code -1. This failure could be due to circumstances out of its control, please check the transcript for details ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 5.7.1 Mail from 192.108.102.143 refused by blackhole site outputs.orbz.org regards SSH ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:57:42 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Oberusel attn: Neil E.............. Message-ID: Shane; Yes, I think these may be what are on the back of the Clerget...Anyone have any pictures of the back end of a Clerget? All the Best Neil E (off on a visit back later....) Shane says..... LOL FWIW if there *are* pipes, they're *intake* pipes feeding fuel air mixture *to* the cylinder. They should be there for many rotaries, but monosoupapes etc. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). 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Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of the Department. Except as required by law, the Department does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. If you have received this email in error or have other concerns regarding this transmission, please contact the Department of Human Services System Administrator at Postmaster@dhs.vic.gov.au _________________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:02:01 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Jane's Fighting Aircraft of WWI Message-ID: <26.218ece42.297511c9@aol.com> In a message dated 1/14/02 5:54:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au writes: << Alias: Janes' All the Worlds Aircraft 1919 - This is a bit of an old standard reference, not bad some good photos and info - engine section at back is also good. >> The Janes WW I seen around nowdays at various books shops and in catalogs seems to be a modern compilation built from several of the war years editions. A long time ago (late 60s)there was a facsimile version of the 1919 edition (complete with all the period adverts!)that's different from this Janes WW I book floating around now. RK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:37:45 -0600 From: "Rick Milas" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Bob's next decal sheet Message-ID: I would be interested iln this. Rick Milas >From: Rory Goodwin >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] Bob's next decal sheet >Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 00:06:44 -0500 (EST) > >Bob thought I ought to poll the list - if he were to do a generic >Albatros serials sheet (D.II through D.Va), who else would be >interested? > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:10:46 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Books on flying early aircraft, construction, etc Message-ID: <3C43C7E6.49058B88@x25.net> Probably nothing wrong... They have installed a program called ORBS and it bounce whole domains, because they do not appear to have satisfactory SPAM elimination programs.. I am thinking of changing to another supplier because of it. They most likely believe they are doing the right thing but they are causing problems for people that try to contact me. I think Allan had it on WWi for a while but I do not know if he has it now or not. I contacted my ISP and they told me they did have it. I got on them just last week for bouncing message. Lee M. ot811 wrote: > > Lee, > My direct e-mail to you bounces. What am I doing wrong? > > ----- The following address(es) had permanent fatal errors ----- > ; originally to lemen@x25.net (unrecoverable error) > The mail system encountered a delivery failure, code -1. > This failure could be due to circumstances out of its control, > please check the transcript for details > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > 5.7.1 Mail from 192.108.102.143 refused by blackhole site outputs.orbz.org > > regards > SSH ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:14:44 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Oberusel attn: Neil E.............. Message-ID: <3C43C8D4.DE4B7B06@x25.net> Shane is at least 200 % correct. The exhaust goes directly into the air inside the Cowling and then the unburned Castroil drips for hours after the plane lands. So there are no exhaust systems to be found or seen. Not a point for argument. They simply do not exist. Lee M. New Braunfels, TX Shane Weier wrote: > > Neil says: > > > The rods on the side I assumed were exhausts and as the > > Clerget didn't have them in that position, > > (I think they were to the rear of the > > cylinder -I will add them there when I attach the engine > > to the fuselage) > > Arrggghhh... > > Repeat after me "there are no exhaust pipes on a rotary aero engine" > > :-) > > Shane > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 > Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 > International ++61 7 38338042 > ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:26:57 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Books on flying early aircraft, construction, etc Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDA34@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Lee says: > Probably nothing wrong... They have installed a program > called ORBS and > it bounce whole domains, because they do not appear to have > satisfactory > SPAM elimination programs.. I am thinking of changing to another > supplier because of it. Betcha that ORBS isn't involved (they were closed down after two companies gained injuctions against the founder) OTOH there are a few successors - ORBL, ORBZ and ORDB - doing the same thing. FWIW spammers frequently use the mail relay facility of ISP's other than their own to hide their true email address. Good ISP's prevent this, many small and some big and careless ones don't. ORB (and its successors) merely test various ISP's servers and if they don't block illicit use of relay, they publicise the company and *other* ISP's may elect to block all spam from the relay station. Which is fine, except they don't publicise the originator address, and they don't even publicise the addresses of spammers who spam direct, so the spammer doesn't suffer anything but the need to move relays (takes no time at all) However, the users of the small or careless ISP and anyone who wants to email to/from them gets shafted. Another case of good intentions gone to hell. Shane .. ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:33:38 +0100 From: "Fraser May" To: Subject: Red or orange-yellow? Message-ID: <000601c19d8e$fedb8240$e66914d4@m1i9c9> An old trick which works with a good photo shop is to take a baseline shot first. Get, or make a colour sheet - an A4 sheet of card with Primaries & secondaries - Red, Blue, Yellow, Green, Orange, Purple, (or Mauve...) in two inch squares. make this the first shot on the roll so they can calibrate on it...you can leave the card with them, for that matter. Then, at least there's no excuse. Incidentally, I find that Fuji films generally seem to be warm...My current favouite is Kodak Supra 100, good grain and accurate colour balance. HTH Regards Fraser ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:35:59 +0100 From: "Fraser May" To: Subject: Humbrol Satin(ish) Varnish Message-ID: <000701c19d8e$ff8c82c0$e66914d4@m1i9c9> I'm still behind times, getting the Digested version, but. I tend to use Humbrol stuff anyway, because where I lived in the UK that was your lot. and I never could get round the idea of mail ordering paint - too much like forward planning. I always found the flat stuff to flat to my eye compared to what I saw at air shows - ot crates - so tended to take a tissue, finger or cotton wool to the surface and polish a tad. Still doing it, works on satin too. Ver-r-r-ry gently mind, you can remove paint from edges, or ribs if it's thinly applied. Intrestingly enough, The varnish a friend of mine uses on the Futon bases at his factory is a semi-matt cellulose and dries in a couple of hours, with a great finish. It's automotive stuff. FWIW Fraser ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:38:31 -0800 From: Rory Goodwin To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Bob's decals Message-ID: <3C43CE67.59F7693A@earthlink.net> Because it was my idea and two of my many stalled projects are early Albatros D.IIIs not covered on decal sheets. I think Hans has the right idea with several sets of numerals. But please do throw in some Ds, forward slashes, stencils, etc. Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au wrote: > - why German again? > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:40:10 -0800 From: Rory Goodwin To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Jane's Fighting Aircraft of WWI Message-ID: <3C43CECA.5EFFFE99@earthlink.net> FWIW, this does seem to have the odd photo not published elsewhere (especially of Gothas), but the repro quality is not great. snbpink wrote: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_00FA_01C19D33.47E3F820 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > I saw this book on the bargain area at Books a Million and was = > curious if it's a good reference. Any opinions? > > Chris > > ------=_NextPart_000_00FA_01C19D33.47E3F820 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > > >
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> > ------=_NextPart_000_00FA_01C19D33.47E3F820-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:43:28 -0800 From: Rory Goodwin To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Biddle's SPAD XIII Message-ID: <3C43CF90.650E00B7@earthlink.net> Of Biddle's 13 or 12? The only reference I've ever seen to his ac's markings was, IIRC, to blue bands on fuselage and cowling of his 13 in his memoirs... Crawford Neil wrote: > I should have said there is a photo in the Aircam book, I > discount the profiles completely (I think they're all 13's). > On the photo you can see it's 5-colour camouflage. > /Neil C. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:46:20 -0800 From: Rory Goodwin To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: General Questions Message-ID: <3C43D03C.29EEB84F@earthlink.net> Be advised that the Duras method is not applicable to Esci SE. I had one fold up on me while I was trying to rig it. Just sighed and put it in the parts yard... John Huggins wrote: > Happy new year list mates. > > I have a few general questions if you don't mind. > I have recently become the owner of a Renwal SPAD XIII, an Airfix > SPAD VII and an ESCI SE-5a. There have been several comments about > these kits in the past and I don't remember much about them. I have > built all of them in the past (long past) and at that time, they > looked ok. What is the general consciences about these kits from the > those of you who are more familiar with them? > > Also, does anyone know what the current going cost/price for the > Hasegawa 1/12 scale Wright Flyer is. The 100th anniversary of the > first flight is fast approaching. If it is not too expensive, it > might be an interesting project that would turn in to a nice > conversation piece. > > Thanks > JP ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:04:25 -0800 From: Ray Boorman To: Subject: Re: Oberusel attn: Neil E.............. Message-ID: <20020115070728.JZUD20752.priv-edtnes10-hme0.telusplanet.net@ray> Yup the big brownish bronze pipe at the back of each cylinder on the model of Clerget you are looking at, is the intake pipe as Shane said. The one or two thin pipes on the front are pushrods. Actually this is another detail point on the aircraft in question and must be checked for how many pushrods?. Sopwith Triplanes used both 110 and 130 hp Clerget. Probably used other engines too. The 110 has a single pushrod that shows anyway, the 130 has two. (Not sure if that was always true but later ones did) Ray On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:00:09 -0500 (EST), Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au wrote: > >Shane; > >Yes, I think these may be what are on the back of the >Clerget...Anyone have >any pictures of the back end of a Clerget? > >All the Best > >Neil E >(off on a visit back later....) > > >Shane says..... >LOL > >FWIW if there *are* pipes, they're *intake* pipes feeding fuel air >mixture >*to* the cylinder. They should be there for many rotaries, but >monosoupapes >etc. > >Shane > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:14:38 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Oberusel attn: Neil E.............. Message-ID: Ray; I've done mine as a 130Hp 9V - 18 pushrods at the last count - this led to a slow evenings modelling!. I can attach the intake pipes at the back - I'll see what I can find about them tonight. Thanks Shane, Ray, and Lee All the Best Neil E (Off home to evening Lurk) _________________________________________________________________________________ NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication, you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of the Department of Human Services. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of the Department. Except as required by law, the Department does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. If you have received this email in error or have other concerns regarding this transmission, please contact the Department of Human Services System Administrator at Postmaster@dhs.vic.gov.au _________________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:37:35 -0000 From: Tom Gourdie To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Jane's Fighting Aircraft of WWI Message-ID: If its a modeller's reference book your looking for this is not really very helpful. HOWEVER, (and whether or not it is an artificial compilation of several edtions) it is a fascinating contemporary chronicle of aviation. I am surprised not so much by the omissions (which are probably attributable in part to the Official Secrets Act and the sheer difficulty of manually collating so much data at a time when the only sources for that data would have been official records and from the manufacturers themselves) but by the fact that the editor at the time was able to pull together so much information about so many aircraft from so many nations. Much of the information published in Jane's is quite accurate. So, not a modeller's handbook but a very interesting contemporary account from the time. Tom -----Original Message----- From: KarrArt@aol.com [mailto:KarrArt@aol.com] Sent: 15 January 2002 05:04 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Re: Jane's Fighting Aircraft of WWI In a message dated 1/14/02 5:54:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au writes: << Alias: Janes' All the Worlds Aircraft 1919 - This is a bit of an old standard reference, not bad some good photos and info - engine section at back is also good. >> The Janes WW I seen around nowdays at various books shops and in catalogs seems to be a modern compilation built from several of the war years editions. A long time ago (late 60s)there was a facsimile version of the 1919 edition (complete with all the period adverts!)that's different from this Janes WW I book floating around now. RK This message is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please notify us immediately. 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Probably a silly question but its been niggling me...! Thanks. Tom Tom Gourdie Regional Group Coordinator Outreach Department Universities and Colleges Admissions Service (UCAS) Registered Office Address : Rosehill New Barn Lane Cheltenham Gloucestershire GL52 3LZ UK E-mail : t.gourdie@ucas.ac.uk Direct telephone number: +44 (0) 1242 544 878 Direct fax number: +44 (0) 1242 544 963 Registered Company No: 2839815 Registered Charity No: 1024741 Website: www.ucas.com This message is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please notify us immediately. You may not copy it or use this message for any purpose or disclose its contents to any other person or take any action based on them. E-Mails are susceptible to interference. UCAS accepts no responsibility for information, errors or omissions in this e-mail nor for its use or misuse nor for any act committed or omitted in connection with this communication. If in doubt, please verify the authenticity of the contents with the sender. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 06:10:55 EST From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Aircraft dimensions Message-ID: <15c.6ce3f68.2975683f@aol.com> --part1_15c.6ce3f68.2975683f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 15/01/02 10:01:51 GMT Standard Time, T.Gourdie@ucas.ac.uk writes: > is it the height of the airframe or the height to the tip of the > vertically postioned propellor or is it influenced by the attitude of the > aircraft ie, sitting on its tailskid or in an in-flight attitude? > You've opened up a real can of worms here Tom. When going through my references for a Caudron G3 two or three years ago I came up with a discrepancy on length. French, British and Italian dimensions all differed. I can't remember exactly how it went now but, checking the given figures against the FMP drawing, one was overall length, another measured only to the stern post and the third from the firewall to the tailplane trailing edge. They all agreed on height though ;) cheers Peter L --part1_15c.6ce3f68.2975683f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 15/01/02 10:01:51 GMT Standard Time, T.Gourdie@ucas.ac.uk writes:


is it the height of the airframe or the height to the tip of the
vertically postioned propellor or is it influenced by the attitude of the
aircraft ie, sitting on its tailskid or in an in-flight attitude?

You've opened up a real can of worms here Tom. When going through my references for a Caudron G3 two or three years ago I came up with a discrepancy on length. French, British and Italian dimensions all differed.  I can't remember exactly how it went now but, checking the given figures against the FMP drawing, one was overall length, another measured only to the stern post and the third from the firewall to the tailplane trailing edge. They all agreed on height though ;)

cheers

Peter L
--part1_15c.6ce3f68.2975683f_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:23:28 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Biddle's SPAD XIII Message-ID: 12/neil c > -----Original Message----- > From: Rory Goodwin [mailto:rorygood@earthlink.net] > Sent: den 15 januari 2002 07:42 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] RE: Biddle's SPAD XIII > > > Of Biddle's 13 or 12? The only reference I've ever seen to his ac's > markings was, IIRC, to blue bands on fuselage and cowling of his 13 in > his memoirs... > > Crawford Neil wrote: > > > I should have said there is a photo in the Aircam book, I > > discount the profiles completely (I think they're all 13's). > > On the photo you can see it's 5-colour camouflage. > > /Neil C. > > > > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4071 **********************