WWI Digest 4070 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Humbrol "Satin" varnish by "Pedro Soares" 2) Re: Canvas Falcons by Morg17ms@aol.com 3) Jane's Fighting Aircraft of WWI by "snbpink" 4) Re: Canvas Falcons by "Thomas Solinski" 5) Re: Humbrol "Satin" varnish by "ibs4421" 6) RE: Bob's decals by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 7) Re: Jane's Fighting Aircraft of WWI by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 8) Red or orange-yellow? by Marc Flake 9) RE: Humbrol "Satin" varnish by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 10) Re: Red or orange-yellow? by KnnthS@aol.com 11) RE: Humbrol "Satin" varnish by KnnthS@aol.com 12) Posts? by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 13) RE: Posts? by Shane Weier 14) Re: Posts? by "Ross Moorhouse" 15) Re: Posts? by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 16) Re: Books on flying early aircraft, construction, etc by "ot811" 17) Re: Posts? by Todd Hayes 18) Oberusel attn: Neil E.............. by "Ross Moorhouse" 19) Re: Posts? by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 20) RE: Posts? by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 21) Re: Oberusel attn: Neil E.............. by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 22) Re: Books on flying early aircraft, construction, etc by "Lee M." 23) Re: Oberusel attn: Neil E.............. by Shane Weier ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 00:03:22 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: Humbrol "Satin" varnish Message-ID: <004f01c19d58$0c1266e0$3b7016d5@netcabo.pt> > > Mmm. I'm tempted (slightly) to go to H&MC at lunch and see if Andrew has any > of the bottles. I'd like to see if it behaves differently from the tinlet. Shane, This is the one that people say won't ever dry. It's a totally different formulation from the one in the cans I believe. I think it'll only dry with something stronger than humbrol thinners. As I said the thinners I use is household stuff that even though being gentler than cellulose thinners, cannot be brushed onto plastic since it'll bite. BTW is thinners singular or plural? Should I say thinners is or are? I > (in my ignorance) had assumed they were both the same stuff but by other > accounts it isn't. > > > Pictures soon. > > Yes please. OTOH my Pfalz isn't worthy of promulgation Oh, please do it, even if in closed circuit mode......;-) Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:04:39 EST From: Morg17ms@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Canvas Falcons Message-ID: --part1_c5.1c646820.2974cc17_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well worth the read - get it! Tom Morgan --part1_c5.1c646820.2974cc17_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well worth the read - get it!

Tom Morgan --part1_c5.1c646820.2974cc17_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:40:11 -0500 From: "snbpink" To: "WWI Modeling" Subject: Jane's Fighting Aircraft of WWI Message-ID: <00fd01c19d5d$347cd480$c48b393f@computer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00FA_01C19D33.47E3F820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I saw this book on the bargain area at Books a Million and was = curious if it's a good reference. Any opinions? Chris ------=_NextPart_000_00FA_01C19D33.47E3F820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

=20 I saw this book on the bargain area at Books a Million and was curious = if it's a=20 good reference. Any opinions?

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------=_NextPart_000_00FA_01C19D33.47E3F820-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:46:18 -0600 From: "Thomas Solinski" To: Subject: Re: Canvas Falcons Message-ID: <011e01c19d5e$0b96bf80$a6a20d41@okcnc1.ok.home.com> > by Stephen Longstreet is available at Barnes&Nobles for USD 7.98 > I have not started reading it yet, but looks very informative. Any opinions > on it? I read it about a year ago, nothing particularly outstanding but it's worth your price HTH Tom S ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:22:51 -0600 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Re: Humbrol "Satin" varnish Message-ID: <000901c19d63$273fcba0$1b3dfad1@dwfjv01> > > BTW is thinners singular or plural? Should I say thinners is or are? Thinners is plural, "thinners are" I believe would be correct. However, I am grammatically challenged much of the time. Warren ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:21:06 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Bob's decals Message-ID: Bob; Me too for the Lift Here's and also other British instruction bits! (in 1/48 and 1/72) - Brit prop logos, Sopwith Strut logos, hey! even presentation aircraft signs etc - why German again? All the Best Neil E Bob wrote: >However I will get to a sheet of OT stuff in the next few days. For the >Albatros serials do people want sets of numbers to make their own, or >specific serials? >I will also have to get a sheet of LIFT HERE, Palmer Cord Aero Tyres etc >down up as well. YES! This I do want very much! can't wait >And then there are sheets of specific aircraft, or aces collections. Sounds good... >The main problem with the alps is it is all possible .. and I want to do it >all And we want you to do it all too! Cheers, Nigel R _________________________________________________________________________________ NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication, you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of the Department of Human Services. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of the Department. Except as required by law, the Department does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. If you have received this email in error or have other concerns regarding this transmission, please contact the Department of Human Services System Administrator at Postmaster@dhs.vic.gov.au _________________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:36:49 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Jane's Fighting Aircraft of WWI Message-ID: Chris ; Alias: Janes' All the Worlds Aircraft 1919 - This is a bit of an old standard reference, not bad some good photos and info - engine section at back is also good. Because its nearly contemporary to the War some info on Central Powers aircraft is somewhat sketchy. Also worth it for early aviation photos from China, South America, and New Zealand. All the Best Neil E _________________________________________________________________________________ NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication, you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of the Department of Human Services. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of the Department. Except as required by law, the Department does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. If you have received this email in error or have other concerns regarding this transmission, please contact the Department of Human Services System Administrator at Postmaster@dhs.vic.gov.au _________________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:01:40 -0600 From: Marc Flake To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Red or orange-yellow? Message-ID: <3C438D84.1A37@airmail.net> Nigel wrote: > It really *does* look red!< This worries me. I meant to select an orangish-yellow paint that presents a decent background upon which the white face was visible. That's what my model looks like. I admit the print is a bit darker than the actual model. For the photography experts, is this something I can correct by having a reprint made and havingthe technician adjust thecolor by looking at the real thing? Or is it more likely that the photolab messed up the negative requiring me to reshoot? I'd really like to get this fixed so I can present both sides of the controversy fairly. And I certainly don't want it to look like I painted Voss' cowl red. It still doesn't look red to me, on my monitor. Is it showing up red on others' monitors? Marc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:26:12 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Humbrol "Satin" varnish Message-ID: Jan Vihonen and Dave wrote, > > So you have been using these varnishes thinned with cellulose thinners? > And it doesn't take half a year to dry then? I used them on one of my ot > project last spring and it first felt dry around october. Thinned with > white spirit. I haven't, but others have. I stopped using them. One model (an ot jet) took over two years to be dry to the touch, others have been 'furry' from dust. I've stuck to Klear and Humbrol matt/satin acrylic since then. Hi All; I find this odd - I've used it a few times and find it dries within 48 hours - climatic differences? I have sprayed it and brushed it with similar results in drying time. I agree though that its closer to Matt than to gloss. All the Best Neil E _________________________________________________________________________________ NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication, you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of the Department of Human Services. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of the Department. Except as required by law, the Department does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. If you have received this email in error or have other concerns regarding this transmission, please contact the Department of Human Services System Administrator at Postmaster@dhs.vic.gov.au _________________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:20:13 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Red or orange-yellow? Message-ID: <3f.4eadfe6.2974ebdd@aol.com> Marc writes: << Or is it more likely that the photolab messed up the negative requiring me to reshoot? >> Mechanised film processors average the image. A re-run will not give you much satisfaction, nor a re-shoot, that basis. If you run Photoshop or similar bitmap "photo" program on your 'puter, you could spot correct this. And everybody has a slightly different "temperature" monitor-warm or cool. This is definitley an art and not a science.... Don't re-shoot---run Photoshop or send .jpg to a pal that does. Me for example--or anyone else you'd rather trust. good luck = ) Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:22:19 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Humbrol "Satin" varnish Message-ID: <3c.17a243be.2974ec5b@aol.com> Neil writes: << Matt >> say 'matte' and you are either referring to the sheen or you make everyone of Matt's dreams come true. which. ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:28:33 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Posts? Message-ID: G'day All Anyone receiving any of my posts? I've sent three and none have shown up... All the Best Neil E _________________________________________________________________________________ NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication, you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of the Department of Human Services. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of the Department. Except as required by law, the Department does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. If you have received this email in error or have other concerns regarding this transmission, please contact the Department of Human Services System Administrator at Postmaster@dhs.vic.gov.au _________________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:34:15 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Cc: "'Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au'" Subject: RE: Posts? Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDA2A@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Neil, > Anyone receiving any of my posts? I've sent three and none > have shown up... > Even the list server doesn't want to talk to you..... Better tell it to.... set wwi mail ack ...again Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:37:06 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Posts? Message-ID: <010f01c19d6d$85e72a40$3b482dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> Your posts are coming through mate.You may have to re ACK yourself.. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 1:30 PM Subject: [WWI] Posts? | G'day All | | Anyone receiving any of my posts? I've sent three and none have shown up... | | All the Best | | Neil E | | | | | | ____________________________________________________________________________ _____ | NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication, you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of the Department of Human Services. | | Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of the Department. | | Except as required by law, the Department does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. | | If you have received this email in error or have other concerns regarding this transmission, please contact the Department of Human Services System Administrator at Postmaster@dhs.vic.gov.au | ____________________________________________________________________________ _____ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:54:51 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Posts? Message-ID: Oops yes they have....2 hours later.... All the Best Neil E _________________________________________________________________________________ NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication, you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of the Department of Human Services. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of the Department. Except as required by law, the Department does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. If you have received this email in error or have other concerns regarding this transmission, please contact the Department of Human Services System Administrator at Postmaster@dhs.vic.gov.au _________________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:03:36 -0500 From: "ot811" To: Subject: Re: Books on flying early aircraft, construction, etc Message-ID: <008701c19d71$3a99fc80$0101a8c0@delos> Peter, Thanks for the Kermode suggestion. I decided to go instead with Learning to fly by Frank Swoffer regards SSH > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:05:26 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Posts? Message-ID: <20020115030526.42577.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Don't you know that right after you ask about your posts, they'll show up? --- Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au wrote: > G'day All > > Anyone receiving any of my posts? I've sent three > and none have shown up... > > All the Best > > Neil E > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________________ > NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you > are not the intended recipient of this communication > please delete and destroy all copies immediately. If > you are the intended recipient of this > communication, you should not copy, disclose or > distribute this communication without the authority > of the Department of Human Services. > > Any views expressed in this communication are those > of the individual sender, except where the sender > specifically states them to be the views of the > Department. > > Except as required by law, the Department does not > represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the > integrity of this communication has been maintained > nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, > interception or interference. > > If you have received this email in error or have > other concerns regarding this transmission, please > contact the Department of Human Services System > Administrator at Postmaster@dhs.vic.gov.au > _________________________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:23:03 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Oberusel attn: Neil E.............. Message-ID: <013801c19d73$f1634820$3b482dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> Hey Neil E (Kit Hunter) Any pointers on the build of this engine? What did you do with the cast push rods on the cylinders? Cheers mate Ross ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:27:05 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Posts? Message-ID: Todd; Yup - I should've realised - the Second Law of Computers - What's probably broken, isnt! All the Best Neil _________________________________________________________________________________ NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication, you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of the Department of Human Services. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of the Department. Except as required by law, the Department does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. If you have received this email in error or have other concerns regarding this transmission, please contact the Department of Human Services System Administrator at Postmaster@dhs.vic.gov.au _________________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:28:39 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Posts? Message-ID: I dont know about that - then again it could be the DHS server - I must tell the monkey to pedal faster..... All the Best Neil E Neil, > Anyone receiving any of my posts? I've sent three and none > have shown up... > Even the list server doesn't want to talk to you..... Better tell it to.... set wwi mail ack ..again Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** _________________________________________________________________________________ NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication, you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of the Department of Human Services. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of the Department. Except as required by law, the Department does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. If you have received this email in error or have other concerns regarding this transmission, please contact the Department of Human Services System Administrator at Postmaster@dhs.vic.gov.au _________________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:55:39 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Oberusel attn: Neil E.............. Message-ID: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Multiple recipients of list nd.net.au> cc: Sent by: Subject: [WWI] Oberusel attn: Neil wwi@wwi-models. E.............. org 15/01/2002 01:23 PM Please respond to wwi Hey Neil E (Kit Hunter) Any pointers on the build of this engine? What did you do with the cast push rods on the cylinders? Cheers mate Ross ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- G'day Ross; I found the engine an easy build - if you're careful cutting off the casting plugs and judiciously sand it fits together quite well. For the Clerget, the bits on the top of the cylinders where the push rods fit more or less conform to a Clerget, with the two pushrods at the front, so I didn't alter them. The pushrods I made from a top E fine gauge electric guitar string cut to about 6mm in length. For the thicker attachment points on the crankcase, I attempted to form these from drying thicker white glue but it didn't quite work as they shrank back to almost nothing. I attached the guitar string rods with white glue as it dries with little trace left afterwards. The rods on the side I assumed were exhausts and as the Clerget didn't have them in that position, (I think they were to the rear of the cylinder -I will add them there when I attach the engine to the fuselage) I didn't worry about them. For the propeller shaft, I drilled out the centre where the undernourished CMK shaft is and inserted a piece of brass rod. Painting was Gunze steel metalizer - polished only on the crankcase, followed by a Gunze soot wash, and a very light drybrush of Revell Copper (given that the Clerget has a yellowy metallic tinge to it). Guitar string pushrods were done in Revell Aluminium, and thats all!. I think the Oberusel you're doing only has one pushrod? You might have to sand off the two attachment points at the top of the cylinder and build something out of plastic rod...or maybe cut one off (gently) and sand off the other, sanding the top flat again, and recentering the one you cut off again...(good eyesight time - eat them carrots!;-0) Other Listees have converted this engine - maybe some of the Wise Ones have other ideas? HTH All the Best Neil _________________________________________________________________________________ NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication, you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of the Department of Human Services. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of the Department. Except as required by law, the Department does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. If you have received this email in error or have other concerns regarding this transmission, please contact the Department of Human Services System Administrator at Postmaster@dhs.vic.gov.au _________________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:06:22 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Books on flying early aircraft, construction, etc Message-ID: <3C43AABE.59F8DB29@x25.net> I have a book that is ex-library and in rather ragged condition. Written by an early author A. Frederick Collins With a Copyright, 1917, by D. Appleton and Company. New York and london. My copy was made in 1919 and printed in the U.S. 182 numbered pages and fifteen in front with Roman numerals. For the table of contents and list of illustrations. I got this when the USAF moved, and, they closed Ashiya Air Base on Kyushu, Japan in 1959. They closed everything including the Library, and, they were going to throw this copy away. This is one of the oldest "How to Fly" books I have seen. Lee M. New Braunfels, Tx ot811 wrote: > > Peter, > Thanks for the Kermode suggestion. I decided to go instead with Learning > to fly by Frank Swoffer > regards > SSH > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:14:19 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Oberusel attn: Neil E.............. Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDA31@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Neil says: > The rods on the side I assumed were exhausts and as the > Clerget didn't have them in that position, > (I think they were to the rear of the > cylinder -I will add them there when I attach the engine > to the fuselage) Arrggghhh... Repeat after me "there are no exhaust pipes on a rotary aero engine" :-) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. 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