WWI Digest 4064 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Revell 1/48 DVII - the plot thickens !! by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 2) Re: Revell 1/48 DVII - the plot thickens !! by "Hans Trauner" 3) RE: Site updates by "Nigel Rayner" 4) Re: Nieuport prop logo info sought by Todd Hayes 5) Help clean up my act by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 6) Re: Paints by KnnthS@aol.com 7) RE: ALPS printer qn by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 8) RE: How Many Times? by "Bob Pearson" 9) FW: ICM by Shane Weier 10) Scaleplanes FE8 by David Fleming 11) ebay photo of early Fokkers by "David Watts" 12) Taube in Norway and its pilot by knut.erik.hagen@login-3.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) 13) Need help from UK listee by knut.erik.hagen@login-3.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) 14) Re: Need help from UK listee by "Pedro Soares" 15) Oooops. sticky finger..... by "Pedro Soares" 16) Re: Oooops. sticky finger..... by KnnthS@aol.com 17) RE: nuts and bolts by "ibs4421" 18) RE: tire color (again) by "ibs4421" 19) Re: Paints by "Michael Kendix" 20) web update by Dennis Ugulano 21) Re: web update by "Ross Moorhouse" 22) Re: web update by "Michael Kendix" 23) Re: web update by Shane Weier 24) New update by "Matt Bittner" 25) Choroszy by "Matt Bittner" 26) Re: web update by Dennis Ugulano ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:41:38 EST From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Revell 1/48 DVII - the plot thickens !! Message-ID: <1e.21652dcb.2971eb72@aol.com> --part1_1e.21652dcb.2971eb72_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/01/02 19:29:55 GMT Standard Time,=20 dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com writes: > the SE5a at =A36.99 and the Fokker DVII at > =A313.99, which suggests to me that they may well be of differing origin > (ie Aurora and Dragon respectively) >=20 >=20 Time to sell my stash! --part1_1e.21652dcb.2971eb72_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/01/= 02 19:29:55 GMT Standard Time, dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com writes:

the SE5a at =A36.99 and the= Fokker DVII at
=A313.99, which suggests to me that they may well be of differing origin
(ie Aurora and Dragon respectively)

Time to sell my stash! --part1_1e.21652dcb.2971eb72_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:59:00 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Revell 1/48 DVII - the plot thickens !! Message-ID: <002d01c19ba3$93c94420$3ba072d4@FRITZweb> As the Toy Fair will start in a few days, I think Revell will tell. I simply ask. Hans ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:17:00 -0000 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: RE: Site updates Message-ID: <000001c19ba6$17b1f6e0$983bedc1@w1o0t3> Hi all, Just returned from drooling over all the new stuff on the site. Alberto has some new stunning work (as usual). I really like the Biff (which is actually old work), it shows what can be done with the old Airfix kit. However, Alberto's high standards are challenged by Neil C. Neil, your interiors are fantastic - great works of art. Charlie has a very nice interpretation of the Gavia Scout and some very helpful building hints. Finally Marc has some nice DrIs (I haven't seen the first version of Voss' plane before). The streaking has worked well, although the faint of heart should beware that Marc is ready to start up a new Voss cowl thread - he's gone for a red cowl on the latest version...... Good work all, thanks for sharing. Cheers, Nigel R ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:15:38 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nieuport prop logo info sought Message-ID: <20020112201538.40116.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Stefen, The prop most commonly used by Nieuport from the 17 on is a Ratmanoff. I'm unaware about the logo design. Todd --- StefenK wrote: > Many (most?) Ni 17s have a prop log of a light > (white?) circle surrounding > a light device (wing/). Who is the manufacturer and > soes anyone have a > good image or more information on this logo? > > TIA to all, > Stefen > ---------------------------------------------------- > Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today > Only $9.95 per month! > http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:23:45 EST From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Help clean up my act Message-ID: <76.15a159a2.2971f551@aol.com> --part1_76.15a159a2.2971f551_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I notice my e-mails are showing on the list in plain text and HTML. I have tried to find a means of stopping this but without success. If anyone can contact me off list and tell me how I might sort this out I will be grateful, as no doubt will some of you. cheers Peter L --part1_76.15a159a2.2971f551_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I notice my e-mails are showing on the list in plain text and HTML. I have tried to find a means of stopping this but without success. If anyone can contact me off list and tell me how I might sort this out I will be grateful, as no doubt will some of you.

cheers

Peter L --part1_76.15a159a2.2971f551_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:26:30 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Paints Message-ID: <110.b8611ee.2971f5f6@aol.com> Len writes: << Misterkit paints>> Now, see, I woulda named them: "MistaPaint" Just to quit naming them twice in every post to be fair and play nice but GOOD GOLLY MOLLY and HOPPING HANNA (not the mail house). am starting to not like these long naming painting and kitting and painting again persons -B-b-b-buddy Holly ps. MrPaint? MrPit? MissedPainting? MistYourKit? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:02:34 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: RE: ALPS printer qn Message-ID: <006c01c19bac$76145a10$9d39183f@cyrixp166> One area where the ALPS really shines is transparencies. If you are using an overhead and you need good resolution, the ALPS can't be beat. Volker is right though. It will be an expensive set of slides. Cyg. ----- Original Message ----- From: Volker Haeusler To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 7:01 PM Subject: [WWI] RE: ALPS printer qn > On the ALPS questions: > > "So for non-decal work, how does the Alps compare with regular inkjet > printers for speed, quality, operating cost, reliability, etc." > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:31:32 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: How Many Times? Message-ID: <101087148501@smtp.vphos.net> I'm finding in my ot project that I would be better off scratchbuilding pretty well the entire thing from the start. Chris keeps telling me .. "you know you're going to anyway". Usually the first attempt is acceptable, however I do know that the second would be a lot better, but after 150 pieces in a 1x1.5x1 inch space .. I don't think so. The main thing is it is an exercise to see if I can do it. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 07:46:32 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwim'" Subject: FW: ICM Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDA16@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Hi all, >From Earl, and this looks fairly authoritative Shane -----Original Message----- From: Earl Martell Sent: Sunday, 13 January 2002 7:45 AM Subject: ICM You have probably heard the rumours about ICM going out of business and the denial by ICM U.S.A....well here is what is 'actually' happening:- ICM Ukraine is having serious financial problems which could have forced it out of business (they were getting support from the Ukraine government but the plug was pulled when there was a change of government)...however, a Russian food company has now stepped in and has taken a large number of ICM moulds to Russia where the kits will be issued under the brand name IDK...it is expected there will be nearly 90 ex-ICM kits released by IDK by the end of this month!! The future of ICM Ukraine is still not 100% assurred, but with the Russian money they should be able to keep going...hopefully with 'new' releases and not 'copies' of other company's products..as happened with the P-51s! ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:10:38 +0000 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Scaleplanes FE8 Message-ID: <3C40B45D.AB86AFC8@dial.pipex.com> Anyone built this one ? Any comments ? Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:27:51 -0500 From: "David Watts" To: "W. W. I Group" Subject: ebay photo of early Fokkers Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C19B8E.760B5500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, I know this is a sticky subject, and I don’t believe I’m stepping on anyone’ s toes. Here is a photo for sale of Fokkers. I believe a D.II and an E.III. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1059282424 Best, Dave W. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C19B8E.760B5500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

I know this is a sticky subject, and I don’t believe = I’m stepping on anyone’s toes.

Here is a photo for sale of Fokkers. I believe a D.II and an = E.III.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1059= 282424

Best,

Dave W.

------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C19B8E.760B5500-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:56:42 +0100 (CET) From: knut.erik.hagen@login-3.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Taube in Norway and its pilot Message-ID: <20020112235642.3ACBE343E2@login-3.eunet.no> Hei, Neil E asked: >What an interesting story this is of Ltn Dons and the Taube. One of the >things that attracts me to early aviation is the spirit of innovation, >experiment, accident, and the unknown which fuelled the whole process. >Did Ltn Dons survive as a pilot? I hope he did. Premierløitnant Hans Fleischer Dons returned to serve onboard his submarine before recieving a proper pilots license. He continued in the Norwegian Navy, serving on different vessels and also as attache in Washington and London until his death from natural causes in 1940. His first flight over Norway was definitely celebrated in best naval tradition. One of the next flights was made over a fortress in order to bombard its army garrison with oranges - the Army then decided to order its own aircraft. They discovered how easy it was to spot a dived submarine from an aircraft, and used submarines to lift floatplanes out of the water to service them. The submarine he served on (A-1 "Kobben") was delivered from Germaniawerft in Kiel in 1909, its conning tower is now preserved in Horten. Before WW1m Norwegian submarines were not allowed to dive without the Navy crane barge was nearby and under steam in case they needed assistance to resurface. For those who think of Hans Fleischer Dons as a German name, many of the families from which Norwegian officers were recruited originated from Schleswig-Holstein when Norway was considered an unruly Danish province. It was rather convenient just after WW1 when the Norwegian Navy sent a delegation to procure technology and aircraft parts from Germany without the Allied control comission being aware of it. They did not react on Ltns. Lützow-Holm, Riiser-Larsen and Schreiner visiting Travemünde and other German bases in 1919. Eders Knut Erik ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 01:34:24 +0100 (CET) From: knut.erik.hagen@login-3.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Need help from UK listee Message-ID: <20020113003424.202FA343BC@login-3.eunet.no> Hei, I will be going to London on Wednesday/Thursday to attend a meeting, and have planned to squeze in a visit to Hannants shop at Colindale. Can see if they have it there and pick up one for you unless some of the British listees are going there first Think that including some time for visiting Hannants was the only way my boss could convince me to take two days from my break to go to that meeting. Eders Knut Erik >Is there any UK listee planning on ordering something from Hannants soon? I >would like to buy the Pegasus W29 which is currently on sale but Hannants >has a minimum order tag of 30 Pounds and I really only want the W 29 to get >the wings and the decals... > >Anyone wants to help? > >Thanks in advance > >Pedro > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:47:43 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: Need help from UK listee Message-ID: <001d01c19bcb$e95961e0$0f7316d5@netcabo.pt> Knut, Thanks for the offer, mate. Still I think that they only sell the Pegasus W29 by mail order. Anyway, they list it on their site under "special offers" for 4.99 pounds. So if you won't mind asking them if they have it at the Colingdale shop for the same price, I'd really appreciate it. I want to make a good W29, because I do like the looks of it, and I'm planning on using the MPM fuselage with some Toko details and floats and if possible the Pegasus wings, because they are the only ones with the correct "bend" of the outer portion. While in London, be sure to browse through the reamindered and second hand book shops at Charing Cross, Last time I was there (Summer last year) I managed to buy the Crowood books on Sopwith and RAE aircraft for half the price, along with some other good and interesting OT stuff. Thanks again Um abraço Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: Knut Erik Hagen To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 12:36 AM Subject: [WWI] Need help from UK listee > Hei, > > I will be going to London on Wednesday/Thursday to attend a meeting, > and have planned to squeze in a visit to Hannants shop at Colindale. > Can see if they have it there and pick up one for you unless some > of the British listees are going there first > > Think that including some time for visiting Hannants was the only way > my boss could convince me to take two days from my break to go to that meeting. > > > Eders > Knut Erik > > > >Is there any UK listee planning on ordering something from Hannants soon? I > >would like to buy the Pegasus W29 which is currently on sale but Hannants > >has a minimum order tag of 30 Pounds and I really only want the W 29 to get > >the wings and the decals... > > > >Anyone wants to help? > > > >Thanks in advance > > > >Pedro > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:56:56 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Oooops. sticky finger..... Message-ID: <002b01c19bcd$32fc96e0$0f7316d5@netcabo.pt> Gang, Last message was meant for Knut only. Sorry Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:59:23 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Oooops. sticky finger..... Message-ID: <13f.79b687a.297235eb@aol.com> Pedro writes: << Last message was meant for Knut only. Sorry >> We like seeing happy commerce. Means there's hope for the rest of us. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:26:00 -0600 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: RE: nuts and bolts Message-ID: <002201c19bd9$f6496c20$9c3dfad1@dwfjv01> The Grandt > line pieces look easier to work with but it's more difficult to find the > right scale (ie they don't do them as 1/48, you have to eyeball loads of > them til you find what looks right Actually, it is easier than that. "O Scale" = 1/48th scale. IIRC, he/they have an extensive line in this scale as well as HO. While HO is 1/87th scale, you can ball=park it pretty darn close. Warren ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:28:31 -0600 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: RE: tire color (again) Message-ID: <002301c19bd9$fe6f4c80$9c3dfad1@dwfjv01> . we call them Gummibären Yes, over here they are called Gummi-Bears. However, now we have Gummi-worms, Gummi-fish, and even Gummi-rats. Warren ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 02:29:43 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Paints Message-ID: So does anyone know where to get Citadel acrylics in the U.S.? >From: "Len Smith" >Regarding the Marmite, have you tried it in a cup of hot milk as a >bed->time drink. Errr... yes, I just tried it! It was a revolting waste of perfectly good milk and Marmite. I could only manage half a mug:). Perhaps I need to build up a tolerance using trace amounts, similar to what snake handlers do with venom? Michael _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:37:18 -0500 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: web update Message-ID: <200201122137_MC3-EDB0-A797@compuserve.com> Everyone, My latest and at last something completed. Go to Other Stuff and War Bonnet and see how close Neil C came to guessing. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ronnieuggie.com/uggie/dju.htm Page Revised 01/12/2002 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:46:56 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: web update Message-ID: <002101c19bdc$910ad080$3b482dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> Dennis the last 2 pics of the new other thing are giving 404 errors when I click on them http://ronnieuggie.com/uggie/warbonn-5.jpg http://ronnieuggie.com/uggie/warbonn-4.jpg Looks good from the first 2 though. Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Ugulano" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 1:40 PM Subject: [WWI] web update | Everyone, | | My latest and at last something completed. Go to Other Stuff and | War Bonnet and see how close Neil C came to guessing. | | Dennis Ugulano | email: Uggies@compuserve.com | http://ronnieuggie.com/uggie/dju.htm | Page Revised 01/12/2002 | "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 02:52:10 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: web update Message-ID: >From: Dennis Ugulano > > My latest and at last something completed. Go to Other Stuff >and >War Bonnet and see how close Neil C came to guessing. > Very nice and most unusual. I did not know about Paul Howard's passing. Is he the same fellow who's picture is on the WWI modelling web site with his wife and daughter? Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:05:08 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: web update Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDA18@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Michael, > I did not know about Paul Howard's passing. Is he the same > fellow who's > picture is on the WWI modelling web site with his wife and daughter? Lord I hope not. He last posted in early December...... Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:22:24 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: New update Message-ID: Just uploaded a new Sopwith Baby that Sanjeev finished. Awesome!! Matt Bittner WW1 Modeling Page Assistant Editor ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:47:18 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Choroszy Message-ID: Just thought someone would like to know. Just visited the Choroszy site, and they now have images up of build-ups of their Nie.24 and Nie.24bis. Sweet! Man, I gotta get these... Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:47:56 -0500 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: web update Message-ID: <200201122248_MC3-EDB4-3713@compuserve.com> Michael, >> I did not know about Paul Howard's passing. Is he the same fellow who's picture is on the WWI modelling web site with his wife and daughter? << No, this was a different Paul Howard. Lived here in Fresno. I will add two more shots tomorrow and correct any errors at that time. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ronnieuggie.com/uggie/dju.htm Page Revised 01/12/2001 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4064 **********************