WWI Digest 4059 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: penultimate (?) word on ebay by "ibs4421" 2) Re: tossing off by KnnthS@aol.com 3) Re: Book Question by "Pedro Soares" 4) Re: Book Question by Mark Miller 5) Re: Big model redux by "Bob Pearson" 6) RE: Scale effect does exist by "Laskodi" 7) RE: tire color (again) by "Lee M." 8) Offer All Options #587F by "Gregory Perkins" 9) Re: Taube in Norway - was Ludemann resins by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 10) I'm swamped! by Allan Wright 11) Re: Taube in Norway - was Ludemann resins by Shane Weier 12) Perry by "Matt Bittner" 13) Re: Fokker F.1 ist Kaput . . Nicht!!! by "ibs4421" 14) Re: Taube in Norway - was Ludemann resins by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 15) Re: Perry by "Lee M." 16) Re: Book Question by REwing@aol.com 17) Re: Happy Birthday Marmite by Ray Boorman 18) Paints was Re: Re: Fokker F.1 ist Kaput . . Nicht!!! by "Len Smith" 19) Re: Fokker F.1 ist Kaput . . Nicht!!! by Crawford Neil 20) Eduard News Correction by "Neil Eddy" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:20:22 -0600 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Re: penultimate (?) word on ebay Message-ID: <002101c19a35$c32f84a0$9a3dfad1@dwfjv01> Shane sez: > Anyone tempted to toss out their original mould D.V's when the new one > arrives are welcome to my snail mail address > Heckfire! If ya'll don't want to send them all the way to Oz, send 'em to Cain-tuh-Kee!! Warren ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:18:49 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: tossing off Message-ID: <11c.a7ec872.296f8969@aol.com> Shane Never-Hurts-to-Ask: << Anyone tempted >> yes. if they were so inclined. back at yers, mate % ^ D Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:21:24 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: Book Question Message-ID: <01e301c19a35$e77f2c20$0f7316d5@netcabo.pt> > Having gotten no joy on my pitot tube Lance, It can happen, mate, it can happen Pedro :-) ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jan 2002 16:04:46 -0800 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Book Question Message-ID: <20020111000446.14794.cpmta@c016.snv.cp.net> Lance This might not be the same set of books. But there is a thread on the Aerodrome forum about a set of books called "The War Illustrated" 9 volumes published during the war. Sounds ver similar but like I said - might not be the same thing in any case The thread is in the section "other WW1 Aviation" thread titled "The War illustrated FYI" also somebody posted this link - has images of some pages http://www.warillustrated.com/wi/090115/ Mark > >From: "Lance Krieg" Anyone familiar with this book? "The Great War: Illustrated History of the First World War" Supposedly it has12,500 photographs and 400 maps in 13 volumes, and was originally published over a period from 1914 - 1919. It is being re-published by Trident. I'm tempted, but have never heard of this... anyone? TIA Lance Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:52:16 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Big model redux Message-ID: <101071415301@smtp.vphos.net> Depending on how motivated I am it will probably be an IM article. Luckily it is for the ceiling in the waiting room, so the detail need not be over abundant. Bob ---------- >From: "Ross Moorhouse" > Bob, > > Will you be able to share some "as you build it shoots" ?? > > Cheers > > Ross ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:10:37 -0800 From: "Laskodi" To: "WWI List Post" Subject: RE: Scale effect does exist Message-ID: <000b01c19a45$29b2f720$433819d0@f4hn201> <<>> Ummmmm, not exactly true. I do believe that there is a "scale effect" for paint in really dinky scale models (such as 1:720) I do not believe that there is any "scale effect" for the common aircraft modeling scales of 1:72 and greater. This conclusion is based on over 30 years of academic and scientific research analyzing images and data from remote sensing platforms including aerial photographs and satellites. In that academic and professional life, I was keenly interested in the effects of light and color and examined that issue quite extensively. The "scientific" bottom line is while you may want to lighten your paint for aesthetic reasons (i.e. you like it better) there is no scientific reason that justifies it. Quite frankly the shift in color spectrum under 100 feet is not even noticeable to most human eyes. The "artists" and the "scientists" have been arguing about this phenomenon for years and I don't think the two sides will ever meet! When this topic comes up amongst modelers, I kind of feel like a Christian trying to "enlighten" a Taliban cleric!!!! Needless to say I'm facing a hostile audience that usually says, well if XYZ (insert name of famous modeler) does it, it must be right! Thanks to all of you that sent me e-mails off-list supporting my statements, at least that way I know there are other modelers out there that also do not believe this concept even if we are the minority! FWIW & YMMV -----------Bob (the scientist, who is definitely not an artist, and is never commenting on this subject again!) ;>} ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:33:11 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: tire color (again) Message-ID: <3C3E4EE7.AC73C98F@x25.net> Not painted. The flexing of the rubber would crack the paint almost instantly. The color is in the rubber itself. Partly because no other color was added. Later "Charcoal Black" was addded as and addition to aid in Vulcanizing. Some guy named Goodrich did it. Goodrich got rich because of that. Lee M. Graham Hunter wrote: > Mark, > > It is possible that these are painted tires. When I was at the Dayton Fly-in > Fred Murrin had his replica Dr.I tires painted grey. So due to the > unavailability of period tires the museum may have resorted to painting > them. > > HTH, Graham ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:29:06 -0500 From: "Gregory Perkins" To: collect49e Subject: Offer All Options #587F Message-ID: <200201111028265.SM00226@host> This is a MIME Message ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0080_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0" ------=_NextPart_001_0080_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ***** This is an HTML Message ! ***** ------=_NextPart_001_0080_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FREE Computer With Merchant Account Setup

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Click Herem ------=_NextPart_001_0080_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0-- ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:08:31 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Taube in Norway - was Ludemann resins Message-ID: Knut Erik; What an interesting story this is of Ltn Dons and the Taube. One of the things that attracts me to early aviation is the spirit of innovation, experiment, accident, and the unknown which fuelled the whole process. Did Ltn Dons survive as a pilot? I hope he did. All the Best Neil E _________________________________________________________________________________ NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication, you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of the Department of Human Services. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of the Department. Except as required by law, the Department does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. If you have received this email in error or have other concerns regarding this transmission, please contact the Department of Human Services System Administrator at Postmaster@dhs.vic.gov.au _________________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:24:51 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: wwi Subject: I'm swamped! Message-ID: <200201110324.WAA32614@mustang.sr.unh.edu> Hi everyone, I'm pretty backed up, I have 7 or 8 sets of photos of people's models to get to. I'm crying 'Uncle' until next week. I'll need until Monday to catch up. Please no new web submissions until then. If you sent something, thank you, I'll get it uploaded as soon as I can. All this building during Christmas Hollidays is a little overwhelming! Thanks, Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:25:10 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Taube in Norway - was Ludemann resins Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDA0D@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Neil says: > One of the > things that attracts me to early aviation is the spirit of innovation, > experiment, accident, and the unknown which fuelled the whole > process. "Start" sounds rather akin to the bushmans axe. Shane > ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:35:17 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Perry Message-ID: Can someone please send me Steven Perry's email addy, please? TIA! FWIW, I'm now back on my own computer, so you can start sending site submissions to me. Neil, I'll get to yours soon. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:54:14 -0600 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Re: Fokker F.1 ist Kaput . . Nicht!!! Message-ID: <007801c19a53$a3366a60$803dfad1@dwfjv01> You may notice a lot of us buy 2. I have the theory that this is > not just speculative, but rather a damn fine bet hedge-particularly when your > Murphy eye starts twitching: Ken and All, I used to buy two kits of a subject whenever I could afford it, and for two reasons. 1) If I screw up the kit, I have a spare, 2) If I don't screw up the kit, I have something to trade to somebody who has something I want, but was unable to get. In this case I only bought one (it was an eBay auction). I may buy one or two more of the F.1 just 'cause I think it's a neat a/c. Thanks for your good thoughts, advice, and positive waves. This list has done more to encourage me to get back in the hobby than anything else in many years. Thanks, Warren ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:57:18 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Taube in Norway - was Ludemann resins Message-ID: G'day Shane: I bet Ltn Dons made quite a few trips to the punchbowl after his maiden flight! (and why not). All the Best Neil E Shane said: "Start" sounds rather akin to the bushmans axe. _________________________________________________________________________________ NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication, you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of the Department of Human Services. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of the Department. Except as required by law, the Department does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. If you have received this email in error or have other concerns regarding this transmission, please contact the Department of Human Services System Administrator at Postmaster@dhs.vic.gov.au _________________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:52:53 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Perry Message-ID: <3C3E6FA5.6C477947@x25.net> Steven Perry Lee M. New Braunfels, Tx Matt Bittner wrote: > Can someone please send me Steven Perry's email addy, please? > TIA! > > FWIW, I'm now back on my own computer, so you can start sending > site submissions to me. Neil, I'll get to yours soon. > > Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 01:33:25 EST From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Book Question Message-ID: <121.a2a3178.296fe135@aol.com> --part1_121.a2a3178.296fe135_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lance, I think this is the same set I picked up last year. Mine is a reprint and consolidated into 6 or 7 volumes. Total weight is 60 to 65 pounds. It cost me about $75 at a Sam's Club here in California. I like the books and they are fun to go through, but they aren't something you want to read at bedtime. The pictures are well worth the price. HTH, -Rick- > Anyone familiar with this book? > "The Great War: Illustrated History of the First World War" > > Supposedly it has12,500 photographs and 400 maps in 13 volumes, > and was originally published over a period from 1914 - 1919. > It is being re-published by Trident. > > I'm tempted, but have never heard of this... anyone? > > TIA > > Lance > > --part1_121.a2a3178.296fe135_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lance,
     I think this is the same set I picked up last year.  Mine is a reprint and consolidated into 6 or 7 volumes.  Total weight is 60 to 65 pounds.  It cost me about $75 at a Sam's Club here in California.
     I like the books and they are fun to go through, but they aren't something you want to read at bedtime. The pictures are well worth the price.
HTH,
        -Rick-


Anyone familiar with this book?
"The Great War:  Illustrated History of the First World War"

Supposedly it has12,500 photographs and 400 maps in 13 volumes,
and was originally published over a period from 1914 - 1919. 
It is being re-published by Trident.

I'm tempted, but have never heard of this... anyone?

TIA

Lance



--part1_121.a2a3178.296fe135_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:37:10 -0800 From: Ray Boorman To: , Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Marmite Message-ID: <20020111064008.RJCL16355.priv-edtnes09-hme0.telusplanet.net@ray> Pfft Bob, thats the last time I share my stash of Marmite.... There's nothing like marmite on toast for breakfast. !!! On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:09:57 -0500 (EST), Bob Pearson wrote: >Totally offtopic, but I know some will appreciate this. ... Marmite >is 100 >years old this year,and after trying it I would say they are still >on the >same batch > >Bob > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:43:20 -0000 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Paints was Re: Re: Fokker F.1 ist Kaput . . Nicht!!! Message-ID: <00f701c19a73$d3804540$745c08c3@oemcomputer> Greetings, Pedro wrote (snip) > As to brush painting I would echo Michael's advice: enamels brush way > better than acrylics (although I've heard that Citadel acrylics are great > for brush painting, and I've even seen some stunning examples, isn't that > right Len?). Not quite. For 'stunning' read 'passable', but as for the paints........... The difference between Citadel and most other acrylics for modelmaker's use is that the latter are formulated for use in that invention of the Devil - the airbrush. Citadel, however, are formulated for painting their own Warhammer Dwarves, Elves, Space Marines and other assorted Fantasy army figures, most of which are between 1" and 2" in height. Given the complex nature of the uniforms and weaponery, the idea of spraying them (apart maybe for a base coat) is downright hilarious, so the paints are designed from the start to be properly brushed. Another advantage that they have is their colours, hardly any of which are useable from the pot on WW1 aircraft. This forces you to mix-your-own, giving you the opportunity to have your version(s) of PC10 or whatever. Experiment, enjoy yourself and remember that no-one has the ultimate knowledge of the actual colours used to argue with you. Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:11:53 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Fokker F.1 ist Kaput . . Nicht!!! Message-ID: >From Pedro: > > Next step: presevere. Most of this hobby is about trying > again and again as > you know. > And this is the best advice I've seen, anything can be fixed, and in the long run it's usually less work to carry on. /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:19:02 +1100 From: "Neil Eddy" To: Subject: Eduard News Correction Message-ID: <003801c19a78$a12fc520$9a5232d2@mannock> Hi All; In my earlier post today re the numbering of my BM Se5a I mentioned it was kit No 12XX. I couldn't remember the last part of the serial. However I'm now at home in Lurk and can check these things...its actually kit number 1429. So if they are issued numerically...that leaves....er......71 kits before he runs out of the run. Remembering I said I bought it about August last year (could have been September maybe though...). I wonder if there could be many left now.... fwi All the best Neil E ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4059 **********************