WWI Digest 4058 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) tire color (again) by Mark Miller 2) Re: tire color (again) by "Hans Trauner" 3) RE: tire color (again) by "Graham Hunter" 4) Re: Fokker F.1 ist Kaput . . Nicht!!! by "Pedro Soares" 5) Re: Scale effect does exist by john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) 6) Re: Book Question by "Bob Pearson" 7) RE: A request and an update by "Bob Pearson" 8) RE: A request and an update by "Bob Pearson" 9) RE: Scale effect does exist by Shane Weier 10) Re: Eduard news by Shane Weier 11) Re: penultimate (?) word on ebay by Shane Weier 12) RE: tire color (again) by "Hans Trauner" 13) Big model redux by "Bob Pearson" 14) Aurora box tops by "Hans Trauner" 15) RE: speaking about spad two holers by Shane Weier 16) Happy Birthday Marmite by "Bob Pearson" 17) Re: Eduard news by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 18) Re: Big model redux by "Ross Moorhouse" 19) Taube in Norway - was Ludemann resins by knut.erik.hagen@login-3.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) 20) Re: Happy Birthday Marmite by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 21) Re: Fokker F.1 ist Kaput . . Nicht!!! by "Michael and Sharon Alvarado, NSWCC" 22) Re: Big model redux by KnnthS@aol.com 23) Re: Fokker F.1 ist Kaput . . Nicht!!! by Steve Cox 24) Re: Book Question by Steve Cox ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 10 Jan 2002 13:32:06 -0800 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: tire color (again) Message-ID: <20020110213206.27960.cpmta@c016.snv.cp.net> I know we have discussed this before And I realize that in the WW1 time frame that they did not add black pigment to rubber which resulted in a much lighter tire color. But, I guess I figured the color would be sort of like a rubber cement ball - kind of a light grey/tan/??? indiscriminant color. I was a little surprised to see this picture: http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/Ger/Halb_ClIV/ClIV14.jpg which shows a gleaming pearly white tire. Now I'm sure just a couple of days of use would knock the edge off. But even so, this is far lighter than I had imagined. And it seems a little odd that in many B&W photos the tires seem quite dark. Different formulas? Mark Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:03:20 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: tire color (again) Message-ID: <013c01c19a22$9e0b70c0$a3a272d4@FRITZweb> In original this Halberstadt replica tyre even has a pink hue! But I can remember that I have read before of pink tyres. And I can remember from the 60's that rubber wheels on baby carriages etc. were very light and differed from light grey, light tan to nearly white. .. > And it seems a little odd that in many B&W photos the tires seem quite dark. > Different formulas? > Mark asks. Different dirty areas? Hans ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:06:28 -0600 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: RE: tire color (again) Message-ID: <000001c19a23$0fd2f160$770101c0@ghunter> Mark, It is possible that these are painted tires. When I was at the Dayton Fly-in Fred Murrin had his replica Dr.I tires painted grey. So due to the unavailability of period tires the museum may have resorted to painting them. HTH, Graham ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:18:27 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: Fokker F.1 ist Kaput . . Nicht!!! Message-ID: <004f01c19a24$ba4579a0$0f7316d5@netcabo.pt> Greg, I would shoot a good base colour of a white primer. Humbrol IIRC used to have a colour that was called white primer, or something like that... This was a pretty opaque paint, but any matt white should do it. I, being the tight fisted type, usually use household enamels, that I dilute with white spirit. The brand of pain that I use makes a white primer that works great also (again it's a truly opaque matt white paint). You might want to check a paint store for something similar... HTH Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: Balzer Mr Gregory P To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 8:20 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Fokker F.1 ist Kaput . . Nicht!!! > Warren, > To continue this thread. I've had to use some filler to dress up a rather > sizeable offset between the underside fuselage halves of my DML Dr. 1 (MvR > 425/17 scheme). I anticipated having to prime the area, and now you've got > me wondering, using red for the entire project, if I should first shoot a > primer coat prior to painting? If so, what do you recommend?? > TIA, > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pedro Soares [mailto:pnsoares@netcabo.pt] > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:07 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: Fokker F.1 ist Kaput . . Nicht!!! > > After a > > while, I picked it out, and thought that things might look a little rosier > > this morning. > > > > Warren > > > Warren, > > having been there quite recently I can only say you chose the right path: > leave it alone for a while, go cool your head off with a beer or 6 and then > reassess the damages (of course after 6 beers it all looks much better, so > the beer part is really important ;-). > > Next step: presevere. Most of this hobby is about trying again and again as > you know. > > As to brush painting I would echo Michael's advice: enamels brush way better > than acrylics (although I've heard that Citadel acrylics are great for brush > painting, and I've even seen some stunning examples, isn't that right Len?). > Trick is to try not to cover all in one go. 2 diluted coats are much better > than 1 thick coat, but do allow for complete drying between coats, much more > than the usual 6 hours recommended in the tinlets. I'd say never less than > 48 H. Also bear in mind that some colours have very bad covering > characteristics. This is especially true with yellows (cdl contains > yellow...) and reds, so a white or light grey undercoat is sometimes a good > way to start it all. For instance, if you have a grey plastic kit and have > used filler of whatever colour and want to paint yellow over the filled in > area you'll see that no matter how many coats you give it, the tonal > difference between the 2 areas will always be apparent. A white undercoat > here is an absolute must. > > Just 2 cents of a Euro from Portugal > > Hope this helps > > Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:17:30 -0600 From: john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Scale effect does exist Message-ID: >Maybe scale effect doesn't apply so much to airliners because >they are predominantly silver and white. A grey 1/144 airliner >wouldn't look so great, unless it was BA. >/Neil C. You don't hear too much about the Aeromaster line of anymore, but they were all chemically lightened for scale effect. They didn't just add white to the basic mix. By doing that, you can get some real strange colors. An example would be Red. If you add white, you get pink. By using complementary colors, you can lighten the hue instead of changing the color. Although not a great fan of scale effect, I do believe in the theory. If you do any comparison shopping, you will see the difference. Build a series of models (all the same) in the various scales. Use the same paint for all on one side, then lighten the hue on the colors on the other side. That is where you will really see the improvement. The smaller the scale, the lighter the hue needs to be. It didn't really make a lot of sense to me at first, but it does make a difference. Like I said, I normally don't mess with it because I don't like to mix paint. If I can't use it out of the bottle, it is the wrong color. JP ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:45:59 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Book Question Message-ID: <101070284401@smtp.vphos.net> I have an original copy of it (which weighs 65lbs according to the invoice). It is actually called The Great War, The Standard History of the All Europe-Conflict and was published bythe Amalgamated Press. Later it was condensed down to a 6 volume set called the Popular History of the Great War. This second volume is about 5x8 size an 2 inches thick per book. I plan to one day spend a month or three just wading through the books. . there are great photos throughout Bob ---------- >From: "Lance Krieg" > Anyone familiar with this book? > "The Great War: Illustrated History of the First World War" > > Supposedly it has12,500 photographs and 400 maps in 13 volumes, > and was originally published over a period from 1914 - 1919. > It is being re-published by Trident. > > I'm tempted, but have never heard of this... anyone? > > TIA > > Lance ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:05:47 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: A request and an update Message-ID: <101068959701@smtp.vphos.net> since the Lafayette/103rd AS never used the Ni28, howzabout Lufbery's or Hall's 94th AS Ni28 Bob ---------- >From: Dennis Ugulano > A better clue than Nieuport 28 is N. 124 Lafayette Escadrille. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:07:43 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: A request and an update Message-ID: <101068971301@smtp.vphos.net> Or it's a diorama of a magician pulling a Nieuport out of a r/w/b hat with a ring around it Bob ---------- >From: Dennis Ugulano > Here are two more clues. > > I met with a client yesterday and they had 5 Arabian horses and > three were white. A little brushing and I had all of the supplies I needed > for my project. That and the rabbit fur and I'm all set. > > A better clue than Nieuport 28 is N. 124 Lafayette Escadrille. > > Dennis Ugulano > email: Uggies@compuserve.com > http://ronnieuggie.com/uggie/dju.htm > Page Revised 10/13/01 > "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:47:23 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Scale effect does exist Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD9FF@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Neil says: > For me, if Conny says it's like this, then scale effect > really does exist. Errrrr, looking back over the lengthy threads on this subject, it seems to me that we all pretty much agreed that this is in fact so. What did cause disagreement, was the notion that you can easily reduce scale effect to some mathematical formula (x% white for 1/48, y% white for 1/72) which is fair enough, since even Ian Huntley who wrote the seminal article only provided a table of that nature as a guideline. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:50:16 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Eduard news Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDA00@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Matt says: > > Such a shame. The mentality "just because it's German" > needs to stop. LOL The converse "just because it's French" should also be disallowed then? Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:52:16 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: penultimate (?) word on ebay Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDA01@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Ken says: > You can find that MvR if you look at dusty shelves... > I'd wait-Ed is re-doing the DV according to Shane and Eduard > and the markings > are not that difficult to obtain or create. > Either way, you could be smiling. Anyone tempted to toss out their original mould D.V's when the new one arrives are welcome to my snail mail address ;-) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:59:48 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: RE: tire color (again) Message-ID: <026001c19a2a$8109eda0$a3a272d4@FRITZweb> No, Sir! Berlin Museum write: Original rubber tyres were not available. The tyres have the format 760x100. ... Again the Continental Gummiwerke agreed to make the tyres, which are fully authentical incl. the lettering. The only difference, for cost reasons, is: The replicas are massive rubber. ( Means: The tyres don't have a inner tube) From: "Graham Hunter" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 11:06 PM Subject: [WWI] RE: tire color (again) > Mark, > > It is possible that these are painted tires. When I was at the Dayton Fly-in > Fred Murrin had his replica Dr.I tires painted grey. So due to the > unavailability of period tires the museum may have resorted to painting > them. > > HTH, Graham ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:55:36 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: ww1 mailing list Subject: Big model redux Message-ID: <101070338701@smtp.vphos.net> I have just had a meeting with the Heritage committee and looked at the site they want the model. .. I think I have them talked down to around a 4-8' size. We are going to go back with some cardboard mockups to size it out .. They are talking about this being an ongoing project. .. ie add one model each year of historicall relevant aircraft. ... so I may get to do a Stranraer or DWC after all. Best thing .. is I'm being paid a retainer and if the whole thing falls through, I just have to build a Guillows kit instead (and no, not to Jim Landon standards - they can't afford to pay me that much) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:03:15 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Aurora box tops Message-ID: <027801c19a2a$fc43f2e0$a3a272d4@FRITZweb> For those unlucky few who never saw a Aurora box top: http://members.aol.com/billbayer/aurora.htm#Biplanes ( Regrettably no Amendolas...just the older ones....) Yours, Hans ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:05:36 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: speaking about spad two holers Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCDA02@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Diego > >I do believe some of the problems with 2-seat Spads were because > >of thin long wings. > > After what Lee said... I don't care, just feel like crying. No, no - it won't be a problem unless it's long and thin mate Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:06:43 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: ww1 mailing list Subject: Happy Birthday Marmite Message-ID: <101070405301@smtp.vphos.net> Totally offtopic, but I know some will appreciate this. ... Marmite is 100 years old this year,and after trying it I would say they are still on the same batch Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:08:10 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Eduard news Message-ID: Tom et Al I bought a BM Se5a in around August last year - the numbering was about 1200 and something, which would suppose that he has sold 12XX kits before that one. In relation to Hannants sale, its no surprise, given Pegasus' low profile in the modelling community generally (seen a review of a BM or a Pegasus kit in a SAMI or FSM lately? Add that to the fact that many modellers (unless otherwise motivated) will steer away from limited run kits of obscure subjects due to the poor reputation for moulding quality many limited kits have (Despite BM and Pegasus generally being better than that). I regard the German thing as being an extension of the 'German + Me10thingie" boom that Shane mentioned earlier - the reasons for why that occurred are complex and getting outside of OT too much maybe. All the Best Neil E _________________________________________________________________________________ NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies immediately. 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We are going to go back with some cardboard mockups to size it out .. | | They are talking about this being an ongoing project. .. ie add one model | each year of historicall relevant aircraft. ... so I may get to do a | Stranraer or DWC after all. | | Best thing .. is I'm being paid a retainer and if the whole thing falls | through, I just have to build a Guillows kit instead (and no, not to Jim | Landon standards - they can't afford to pay me that much) | | Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:36:27 +0100 (CET) From: knut.erik.hagen@login-3.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Taube in Norway - was Ludemann resins Message-ID: <20020110233627.95CBD342E6@login-3.eunet.no> Hei, >I am not sure what you mean by 'RRM' but on Detlef's catalog page at > http://www.classic-plane-mrr.de/Catalog/catalog-1/catalog-1.html#luedemann >it is no longer listed as I wrote it above. I have no idea what the >'Etrich-Rumpler Taube IV' is, and it is definitely *not* the 'Rumpler 4C Taube' Volker, can you help on this one? >The "Taube, Dove of War" book tentatively identifies the 'Oslo Taube' >as a 1912 model 3F or 3C, but I assure you that the fuselage inside the >'Etrich-Rumpler Taube 1911' box matches your photos very closely: >the hump-backed turtledeck around the cockpit openings is very evident. >There do *seem* to be some differences between the kit and START: >the kit has a four cylinder engine and the 'instructions' have a photo >of a plane with 4 exhaust tubes on the left; the START nose photo appears >to be a 4-cylinder, but the exhaust is on the right - and some of >the old photos with your pictures might have a six-cylinder engine. >The undercarriage is slightly different also, but if you're going >to put it on floats, that doesn't matter. To confuse things further, >the picture of a 3C in the "Taube..." book has a more rounded nose, >and in both the kit and your photos, the nose looks more angular, >like a hatchet or an axe. >Do you have any more information about START regarding what model it was? "Start" as it is today is definitely not the same as it started out.... We have most of the documents for procuring the aircraft, since it was bought by public subscription they kept all the recipts. The idea of getting an aircraft for the Norwegian Navy began when a Swedish aviator proclaimed he would fly over the main naval base and drop oranges and leaflets on the Norwegians. The officers onboard the submarine "Kobben" decided that something had to be done and Ltn Dons was selected over a bowl of punch to become a pilot. I can imagine him waking up on the express steamer to Germany, badly hung-over, with a letter of introduction to the Rumpler werke, and a hastily scribled note from his superior that he had been given leave of absence to learn to fly. "Start" began life as a 1912 model on wheels, different float designs were tested until one was found to be satisfactory. It was flown and crashed numerous times, they asked the parlament for a grant to buy a new and better aircraft. The request ws turned down, they were told to order spare parts and repair it. So they ordered a new engine, new wings, tailplanes and fuselage. That is why there is a typical late 1913 model aircraft on display that flew in 1912. There are probably not many parts left from "Start I" in "Start II". The main difference is a larger wingspan and radiators. To make it even more complicated, it was decided to fly "Start II" in 1922 to celebrate ten years of flying, but there was no serviceable Argus engine. It was then fitted with a six cylinder Scania-Vabis 100hp. The flying characterictics changed from marginal to vicious. Guess when quite a few of the pictures of it in the air were taken... The Argus was fitted back for display, and they kept "Start" in the Horten Naval Aircraft Factory on behalf of the Navy Museum to 1940. After the German occupation, it was moved to the NTM Science Museum in Oslo. It then stayed with NTM in various locations until last year Eders Knut Erik ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:37:55 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Marmite Message-ID: Yeah, Vegemite has overtaken it all over the world - Especially since its use in various World War One colour schemes was appreciated and replicated by discerning modellers all over the world. All the Best :-) Neil E. Totally offtopic, but I know some will appreciate this. ... Marmite is 100 years old this year,and after trying it I would say they are still on the same batch Bob _________________________________________________________________________________ NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication, you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of the Department of Human Services. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of the Department. Except as required by law, the Department does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. If you have received this email in error or have other concerns regarding this transmission, please contact the Department of Human Services System Administrator at Postmaster@dhs.vic.gov.au _________________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:41:31 -0500 From: "Michael and Sharon Alvarado, NSWCC" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Fokker F.1 ist Kaput . . Nicht!!! Message-ID: <3C3E26AB.A68A77A6@verizon.net> I always prime before I paint. I helps find hidden flaws and provides a better adhesion base for the paint. Alvie Balzer Mr Gregory P wrote: > Warren, > To continue this thread. I've had to use some filler to dress up a rather > sizeable offset between the underside fuselage halves of my DML Dr. 1 (MvR > 425/17 scheme). I anticipated having to prime the area, and now you've got > me wondering, using red for the entire project, if I should first shoot a > primer coat prior to painting? If so, what do you recommend?? > TIA, > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pedro Soares [mailto:pnsoares@netcabo.pt] > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 3:07 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: Fokker F.1 ist Kaput . . Nicht!!! > > After a > > while, I picked it out, and thought that things might look a little rosier > > this morning. > > > Warren > > Warren, > > having been there quite recently I can only say you chose the right path: > leave it alone for a while, go cool your head off with a beer or 6 and then > reassess the damages (of course after 6 beers it all looks much better, so > the beer part is really important ;-). > > Next step: presevere. Most of this hobby is about trying again and again as > you know. > > As to brush painting I would echo Michael's advice: enamels brush way better > than acrylics (although I've heard that Citadel acrylics are great for brush > painting, and I've even seen some stunning examples, isn't that right Len?). > Trick is to try not to cover all in one go. 2 diluted coats are much better > than 1 thick coat, but do allow for complete drying between coats, much more > than the usual 6 hours recommended in the tinlets. I'd say never less than > 48 H. Also bear in mind that some colours have very bad covering > characteristics. This is especially true with yellows (cdl contains > yellow...) and reds, so a white or light grey undercoat is sometimes a good > way to start it all. For instance, if you have a grey plastic kit and have > used filler of whatever colour and want to paint yellow over the filled in > area you'll see that no matter how many coats you give it, the tonal > difference between the 2 areas will always be apparent. A white undercoat > here is an absolute must. > > Just 2 cents of a Euro from Portugal > > Hope this helps > > Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:07:18 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Big model redux Message-ID: <5f.20a19bc3.296f86b6@aol.com> Bob P writes: << Best thing .. is I'm being paid a retainer >> so the decals will come down in price, then. kidding. wtg, Robert! ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:10:39 +0000 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Re: Fokker F.1 ist Kaput . . Nicht!!! Message-ID: Now you know why SWMBO wants to build in 48th Steve (mine builds ships in 700th and 1200th scale) > From: "ibs4421" > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:32:24 -0500 (EST) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Fokker F.1 ist Kaput . . Nicht!!! > > Listers, > I've got a day off of work pretty much to myself, and thought > I'd do some modeling. I got to do some last night too. As I've mentioned > before, this venture into kit building is a far cry from what it was in the > early to mid 70's with pe, acrylic paint, etc. I'm having to try several > new techniques, methods, mediums, etc. PE parts went flying several times > last night, the modeling gods would not leave me alone. I found them all > though. However, CA glue, pe parts, and my fingers/thumbs all came to a > convergence last ngiht as I tried to get all of the parts into the cockpit, > and the fuselage halves glued together. Arrgghh!!!!!!! It turned into a > twisted, mangled mess, and the whole shebang went into the trash. After a > while, I picked it out, and thought that things might look a little rosier > this morning. > Well, after a cup of joe and a smoke, and a few WWI German marching > tunes I went back to the 1/72nd hangar and tried to see what I could do as > far as damage control. Everything is pretty much back in place as it should > be, but far from perfect. The saving grace in all of this is that it is a > 1/72nd scale a/c, and the interior is barely visable. I'll know better next > time just what sequence of events should take place when assembling all of > those parts on the next kit. > > Warren > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:10:45 +0000 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Re: Book Question Message-ID: I have "The War Illustrated", which is in 9 volumes, and sounds like a similar 'book'. A lot of the action pictures are artists drawings and impressions, but there's lots of photos. It's a book of its time, and therefore full of propoganda, but interesting reading nonetheless regards Steve =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html http://www.bramptonscalemodelclub.fsnet.co.uk If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ > From: "Lance Krieg" > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:26:31 -0500 (EST) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Book Question > > Having gotten no joy on my pitot tube question, here's another: > > Anyone familiar with this book? > "The Great War: Illustrated History of the First World War" > > Supposedly it has12,500 photographs and 400 maps in 13 volumes, > and was originally published over a period from 1914 - 1919. > It is being re-published by Trident. > > I'm tempted, but have never heard of this... anyone? > > TIA > > Lance > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4058 **********************