WWI Digest 4056 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Eduard news by , 2) Re: Eduard news by "Matt Bittner" 3) Re: Eduard news by Crawford Neil 4) Re: Eduard news by "Matt Bittner" 5) Re: Eduard news by Crawford Neil 6) Re: penultimate (?) word on ebay by KnnthS@aol.com 7) Re: Eduard news by "Michael Kendix" 8) Re: Eduard news by Tom Gourdie 9) Re: penultimate (?) word on ebay by Allan Wright 10) Re: Adios, Au Revoir, Auf Wiederhesen by "Lee M." 11) Re: Red Baron Alb; was penultimate (?) word on ebay by EPMyles@aol.com 12) Re: penultimate (?) word on ebay by "Diego Fernetti" 13) Re: Ed & Max by KnnthS@aol.com 14) speaking about spad two holers by "Diego Fernetti" 15) Re: speaking about spad two holers by Allan Wright 16) Re: Ed & Max by Crawford Neil 17) Re: speaking about spad two holers by "Lee M." 18) RE: speaking about spad two holers by Crawford Neil 19) Re: speaking about spad two holers by "Diego Fernetti" 20) Re: speaking about spad two holers by "Diego Fernetti" 21) RE: speaking about spad two holers by "Diego Fernetti" 22) A request and an update by Dennis Ugulano 23) RE: A request and an update by Crawford Neil 24) RE: A request and an update by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 25) Fokker F.1 ist Kaput . . Nicht!!! by "ibs4421" 26) RE: speaking about spad two holers by "Lee M." 27) R: Fokker F.1 ist Kaput . . Nicht!!! by "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" 28) Re: Scale effect does exist by KarrArt@aol.com 29) Still in the U.S.A. by "David C. Fletcher" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:21:19 +0000 From: , To: Subject: Re: Eduard news Message-ID: <1010661679.3c3d792f5451a@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Michael Kendix : > >From: Shane Weier > > >For second quarter, we have two 1/72nd scale kit, Fokkers E.III and > >E.IV, > >... > > I suppose the Hanriots have been put off until later this year? Too > bad, > I'd rather have that but it'll be here eventually. Still, anything from > > Eduard is to be welcomed. Maybe I'll actually build one of those WW1 > one > wingers - never tried one. > Wonder when the Alb DIII will eventually appear ? As for the Eindekkers, I definitely want an EIII (Lovely RFC markings for that one), but I wonder,is there a market for ANOTHER EIV after MAC & ICM :-)? Suppose it's a bit like later Fokkers, where we've had far more kits of EV/DVIIIs than DVIIs. >From this, I would reckon we should give up on any small scale Nieuports from Eduard, Matt !! dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 05:35:45 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Eduard news Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 06:22:42 -0500 (EST), xtv16@dial.pipex.com wrote: > Wonder when the Alb DIII will eventually appear ? As for the Eindekkers, I > definitely want an EIII (Lovely RFC markings for that one), but I wonder,is > there a market for ANOTHER EIV after MAC & ICM :-)? Well, both of those E.IVs leave a lot to be desired, but yes, in essence I agree. There were more Nieuports made during the war than E.IVs, so why the E.IV before something more numerous? The same goes for the Hanriot. > Suppose it's a bit like later Fokkers, where we've had far more kits of > EV/DVIIIs than DVIIs. Not anymore. Old Revell, and now Roden *and* MAC. I think we're up to our eyeballs in D.VIIs. :-) >From this, I would reckon we should give up on any small scale Nieuports from > Eduard, Matt !! Such a shame. The mentality "just because it's German" needs to stop. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:39:29 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Eduard news Message-ID: Matt wrote: > > Well, both of those E.IVs leave a lot to be desired, but yes, in > essence I agree. There were more Nieuports made during the war > than E.IVs, so why the E.IV before something more numerous? The > same goes for the Hanriot. > With this kind of arithmetic, we would have half a dozen Spad 11/16 kits, and none of the Fokker Dr1. I'm not saying that would be better;-) /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 05:52:22 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Eduard news Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 06:41:45 -0500 (EST), Crawford Neil wrote: > With this kind of arithmetic, we would have half a dozen Spad 11/16 > kits, and none of the Fokker Dr1. That's exactly my point. Ignore the ones that were used in much greater number, and chose something else only because of it's nationality. > I'm not saying that would be better;-) Well... Yes, I know the age-old argument that German sells better. But does it? As long as we have companies putting out nothing but German kits, how can we really test this theory? Sure, one or three individuals buying up an entire Escadrille worth of one machine might skew the numbers, but still... :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:55:49 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Eduard news Message-ID: > > Sure, one or three individuals buying up an entire Escadrille > worth of one machine might skew the numbers, but still... :-) >Matt Bittner I'd love to do that, but with my production of 2 kits/year and only 50% French, I don't think Eduard would give a damn! /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:47:48 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: penultimate (?) word on ebay Message-ID: <49.169aac7e.296ef584@aol.com> Ray writes: << Blue Max models including two Camels which means I can build 3. (imho the best Blue max model and a real bargain) >> Every ManBruce of them. The SE ain't bad, neither. Warren- You can find that MvR if you look at dusty shelves... I'd wait-Ed is re-doing the DV according to Shane and Eduard and the markings are not that difficult to obtain or create. Either way, you could be smiling. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:59:55 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Eduard news Message-ID: Dave: >Wonder when the Alb DIII will eventually appear ? As for the >Eindekkers, I >definitely want an EIII (Lovely RFC markings for that >one), but I >wonder,is there a market for ANOTHER EIV after MAC & ICM :->)? Absolutely, in the case of the ICM Fokker E.IV, which, following the "Re-organization" of said company will become a collectors' item worth a fortune on eBay. Yes, it's true that German is favoured but you wouldn't want to see only the most numerous aeroplanes kitted. In any event, there's a huge selection in resin, including plenty of Nieuport types. I know if you're really fussy, many of the resin kits, the Toko Nieuport 11 and Revell & Esci Nieuport 17, are inaccurate but they can be made to look decent. Michael Michael Michael _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:59:28 -0000 From: Tom Gourdie To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Eduard news Message-ID: It would be interesting to know how long it took Chris Gannon to dispose of his stocks of limited run Blue Max Camels, SE5s, Bristol F2bs, SPAD VIIs etc. I know these are not your chosen scale, Matt, but I am sure the same principle could apply to his Pegasus output. I seem to recall that Blue Max (and Pegasus?) has limited runs of 1500 and it would be interesting to have some sort of comparison with, say, his sales rates of the Halberstadt CLII, Albatros OEF, and the Pfalz DXII. That might give some sort of indication of the actual preference for German aircraft as opposed to allied types. Recently, Hannants had a sale of Pegasus kits (mostly German machines) at greatly reduced prices and that suggests either that his kits simply do not sell fast (for whatever reason - probably price) or that things away from the mainstream such as the Albatros W4 simply do not have the attraction of multi-coloured DVs, Fokkers etc. Whatever, I still feel that interest in WWI, although healthier than it was, is still a minority pursuit! The reason I cite Blue Max is that the output is low and therefore (perhaps) a more easy measure of demand in meaningful terms. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Matt Bittner [mailto:tbittners@sprintmail.com] Sent: 10 January 2002 11:52 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Re: Eduard news On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 06:41:45 -0500 (EST), Crawford Neil wrote: > With this kind of arithmetic, we would have half a dozen Spad 11/16 > kits, and none of the Fokker Dr1. That's exactly my point. Ignore the ones that were used in much greater number, and chose something else only because of it's nationality. > I'm not saying that would be better;-) Well... Yes, I know the age-old argument that German sells better. But does it? As long as we have companies putting out nothing but German kits, how can we really test this theory? Sure, one or three individuals buying up an entire Escadrille worth of one machine might skew the numbers, but still... :-) Matt Bittner This message is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please notify us immediately. 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I refuse to even get involved with any business dealings between list members. It's not my place. The only behavior that will get you booted from this list is not posting appropriate posts to the mailing list. Abuse towards other members on-list, or consistant posting of off-topic materials are two such offenses. Any courtey you afford your friends here is purely your own business. Just so there is no confusion. Allan Wright - List Administrator =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:22:33 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org, dora9@sprynet.com Subject: Re: Adios, Au Revoir, Auf Wiederhesen Message-ID: <3C3DA3A9.A6B620CE@x25.net> You will be missed. Take great care and best of everything while on this break. Personally I really look forward to your return. If I run into anything great about D-9s I will try to let you know. Just bought the booklet on the D-13, "Yellow 10". Very interesting. It had a hell of a life. You are in my address book and I will be around for a long time yet. Lee M New Braunfels, Tx Dave Burke wrote: > Well Folks, > > The day and time are finally here and though volume has been light as of > late, my current study load prohibits my actively subscribing to the List. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:23:25 EST From: EPMyles@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Red Baron Alb; was penultimate (?) word on ebay Message-ID: <15c.6978e1b.296efddd@aol.com> >From: Todd Hayes >The kit Warren is writing about is the Eduard Albatros >D.V. It's kit #8019 and represents the a/c MvR was >shot down in by the FE2 in 1917. Dave is referring to >kit #8017, the all red D.III. Todd is correct. The kit I mentioned at the bottom of my earlier message is #8019, the D.V. I've been trying to get one of these, but have lost several ebay bids. I have a couple of the #8017 D.III Early Version kits. Thanks, Myles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:23:41 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: penultimate (?) word on ebay Message-ID: Warren, mon ami! Contact me offlist to lordfernettix@hotmail.com, please D. >From: "ibs4421" >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] Re: penultimate (?) word on ebay >Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:27:09 -0500 (EST) > > > > > I'll give up a few auctions in order to retain access to such help > >Couldn't have said it better myself. > >Warren >(Who would like an Eduard 1/48th OOP Red Baron Alb. D.V) 8^) > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:38:27 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Ed & Max Message-ID: <129.aa3b905.296f0163@aol.com> Tom and Matt: << I seem to recall that Blue Max (and Pegasus?) has limited runs of 1500 and it would be interesting to have some sort of comparison with, say, his sales rates of the Halberstadt CLII, Albatros OEF, and the Pfalz DXII. That might give some sort of indication of the actual preference for German aircraft as opposed to allied types. >> This is an excellent question. I'd like to know more also. I'd add this: A fellow like Mr. Gannon can also do what he wants, to some extent, as it's a smaller enterprise and his choice. He only has to move the 1500. Some economy works for him here, or he wouldn't be doing this. This alone interests and causes me to support his efforts on the basis that our interests, his, mine-US-is convergent. Given a bit of patience, the desired kit does seem to come around. (Unlike some Hannants promisers...) I have tho't about this the past 3+ years... Chris seems pretty sharp--he doesn't compete or challenge Aeroclub too terrible much and seems pretty hip to whatever Ed has in The ToyShoppe....When he duplicates, it seems to be a matter of pride and particular tastes in execution &/or markings or variants. I think he does exactly what he wants most times and that is part of the reason "he liked it so much he bought the company". Cool guy, actually....He makes it work. Here's this: He made a Spad 7 and for Guynemer as well as Brit markings and it was when everybody else was doing something indescribable to the dog....that rates in my book. Then he did a 12 for you folks in 72 which is *also* an interesting bird. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:41:50 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: speaking about spad two holers Message-ID: Matt! As the Eduard thread banked towards the Spad XVIs... I've read somewhere that the Spad hanging in the Air Force museum was hanging there for so long that its wings have drooped... is this true? Maybe it needs new rigging? D. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:44:43 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: speaking about spad two holers Message-ID: <200201101444.JAA36888@mustang.sr.unh.edu> Diego Writes > As the Eduard thread banked towards the Spad XVIs... I've read somewhere > that the Spad hanging in the Air Force museum was hanging there for so long > that its wings have drooped... is this true? Maybe it needs new rigging? I haven't heard that, but if it does, you're the man to do the job Diego! Allan =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:45:36 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Ed & Max Message-ID: > I think he does exactly what he wants most times and that is > part of the > reason "he liked it so much he bought the company". Cool guy, > actually.... He really is a cool guy, when the rest of the vendors at the IPMS-nats are dressed as sloppily as I am, sort of anorak style. He is dressed in a very sharp suit and tie, with a gorgeous bird by his side (his wife), that's class! /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:50:49 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: speaking about spad two holers Message-ID: <3C3DAA48.256D051A@x25.net> I am not sure it matters whether a plane is hanging or sitting. After a few generations the wings and other things begin to sag a bit. As you get older you will notice the same things happening to yourself....Think about it. Lee M. Diego Fernetti wrote: > Matt! > As the Eduard thread banked towards the Spad XVIs... I've read somewhere > that the Spad hanging in the Air Force museum was hanging there for so long > that its wings have drooped... is this true? Maybe it needs new rigging? > D. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:52:02 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: speaking about spad two holers Message-ID: I'm not sure this is wrong, it does droop, but so they did when new. There is a pic in the Harleyford book from straight ahead where you can see this. I tried double rigging my Spad 11 with HSP, and failed, the wings were too floppy to get the strue straight enough, it wouldn't stay true. On the 16 I used steel wire which is a bit stiffer, that tightened the whole structure up. I do believe some of the problems with 2-seat Spads were because of thin long wings. /Neil C. > -----Original Message----- > From: Diego Fernetti [mailto:d_fernetti@hotmail.com] > Sent: den 10 januari 2002 15:43 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] speaking about spad two holers > > > Matt! > As the Eduard thread banked towards the Spad XVIs... I've > read somewhere > that the Spad hanging in the Air Force museum was hanging > there for so long > that its wings have drooped... is this true? Maybe it needs > new rigging? > D. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:58:51 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: speaking about spad two holers Message-ID: OK, just allow me to finish the bl**dy rigging of my 1/72 Albatros and I'll check it! ;-) D. >From: Allan Wright >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] Re: speaking about spad two holers >Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:47:15 -0500 (EST) > >Diego Writes > > As the Eduard thread banked towards the Spad XVIs... I've read somewhere > > that the Spad hanging in the Air Force museum was hanging there for so >long > > that its wings have drooped... is this true? Maybe it needs new rigging? > >I haven't heard that, but if it does, you're the man to do the job Diego! > >Allan > >=============================================================================== >Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - >Southside >University of New Hampshire >+-------------------------------------------------- >Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org >Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: >http://www.wwi-models.org >=============================================================================== _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:00:19 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: speaking about spad two holers Message-ID: >From: "Lee M." >I am not sure it matters whether a plane is hanging or sitting. After a >few >generations the wings and other things begin to sag a bit. > >As you get older you will notice the same things happening to >yourself....Think >about it. You mean that... oh gee... and IT can't be rigged! :-( D. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:01:45 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: speaking about spad two holers Message-ID: >From: Crawford Neil >I'm not sure this is wrong, it does droop, but so they did when >new. There is a pic in the Harleyford book from straight ahead >where you can see this. I tried double rigging my Spad 11 with >HSP, and failed, the wings were too floppy to get the strue >straight enough, it wouldn't stay true. On the 16 I used steel >wire which is a bit stiffer, that tightened the whole structure >up. I do believe some of the problems with 2-seat Spads were because >of thin long wings. After what Lee said... I don't care, just feel like crying. D. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:07:24 -0500 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: A request and an update Message-ID: <200201101007_MC3-ED69-9DB7@compuserve.com> Everyone, I have some one looking for an HR Cauldron G.3. Any ideas where he may find one? Any help will be greatly appreciated. Update on my ot project. Actually I have found a way to make it OT. I should have it finished this week end and on the web site. It's turning out very well. Hint: Think Nieuport 28's, American, insignia. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ronnieuggie.com/uggie/dju.htm Page Revised 10/13/01 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:13:39 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: A request and an update Message-ID: Hat in the ring, could be an F100 /Neil C. > site. It's > turning out very well. Hint: Think Nieuport 28's, American, > insignia. > > Dennis Ugulano ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:27:54 +0000 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: RE: A request and an update Message-ID: <1010676474.3c3db2faa710e@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Crawford Neil : > Hat in the ring, could be an F100 > /Neil C. > A HITR B1B (Didn't I read that somewhere ?) An American Indian P-47 ? I love Uggie's guessing games - remeber no 100 ?! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:33:08 -0600 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Fokker F.1 ist Kaput . . Nicht!!! Message-ID: <008601c199ec$1be1d0c0$9d3dfad1@dwfjv01> Listers, I've got a day off of work pretty much to myself, and thought I'd do some modeling. I got to do some last night too. As I've mentioned before, this venture into kit building is a far cry from what it was in the early to mid 70's with pe, acrylic paint, etc. I'm having to try several new techniques, methods, mediums, etc. PE parts went flying several times last night, the modeling gods would not leave me alone. I found them all though. However, CA glue, pe parts, and my fingers/thumbs all came to a convergence last ngiht as I tried to get all of the parts into the cockpit, and the fuselage halves glued together. Arrgghh!!!!!!! It turned into a twisted, mangled mess, and the whole shebang went into the trash. After a while, I picked it out, and thought that things might look a little rosier this morning. Well, after a cup of joe and a smoke, and a few WWI German marching tunes I went back to the 1/72nd hangar and tried to see what I could do as far as damage control. Everything is pretty much back in place as it should be, but far from perfect. The saving grace in all of this is that it is a 1/72nd scale a/c, and the interior is barely visable. I'll know better next time just what sequence of events should take place when assembling all of those parts on the next kit. Warren ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:01:33 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: speaking about spad two holers Message-ID: <3C3DBADD.18911D37@x25.net> Hey fellas. The Spad was made to fly and when the lift came aboard the wings moved up to their proper level and the wires were taut as need be. If they do not have a certain flexibility built in they tend to come off.. If you ever see a U-2 take off you will instantly see what I mean. The SR-71 leaked so bad on the ground that it was pathetic. When it took off and the speed went up the plane actually grows and all the seams get tight. The leaks all stop. The wings get many inches longer and the fuselage diameter grows as well. So a saggy SPAD isn't to bad off and it is probably correct as viewed. What with Cabane Struts they can only sag a certain distance. The wires may stretch a little with time. Even a window pane flows downward and thickens at the bottom as it ages. Watch your waist line....and ...backside.. Wings and horizontal stabilizers must move a little also. Occasional tightening will do but it can be a very long time between fixes. Lee M. New Braunfels, TX Diego Fernetti wrote: > >From: Crawford Neil > >I'm not sure this is wrong, it does droop, but so they did when > >new. There is a pic in the Harleyford book from straight ahead > >where you can see this. I tried double rigging my Spad 11 with > >HSP, and failed, the wings were too floppy to get the strue > >straight enough, it wouldn't stay true. On the 16 I used steel > >wire which is a bit stiffer, that tightened the whole structure > >up. I do believe some of the problems with 2-seat Spads were because > >of thin long wings. > > After what Lee said... I don't care, just feel like crying. > D. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:53:03 +0100 From: "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: R: Fokker F.1 ist Kaput . . Nicht!!! Message-ID: <43EB244779F3D411966E0060082C59E906F344@SERVER1> Ouch ! Sorry to hear this ! It must have been a harsh experience. This seems to confirm my theory (and practice): let PE parts alone and start scratchbuilding all those tiny details. Start with main cockpit details (such as seat, control column, rudder bar, tanks and instruments) and add smaller parts one model after the other. You will get more satisfaction from the hobby.... Oh, I almost forgot: and do not forget to check exact dimensions of cross members by means of dry runs ! All the very best, Alberto Casirati -----Messaggio originale----- Da: ibs4421 [SMTP:ibs4421@commandnet.net] Inviato: giovedi 10 gennaio 2002 16.32 A: Multiple recipients of list Oggetto: [WWI] Fokker F.1 ist Kaput . . Nicht!!! Listers, I've got a day off of work pretty much to myself, and thought I'd do some modeling. I got to do some last night too. As I've mentioned before, this venture into kit building is a far cry from what it was in the early to mid 70's with pe, acrylic paint, etc. I'm having to try several new techniques, methods, mediums, etc. PE parts went flying several times last night, the modeling gods would not leave me alone. I found them all though. However, CA glue, pe parts, and my fingers/thumbs all came to a convergence last ngiht as I tried to get all of the parts into the cockpit, and the fuselage halves glued together. Arrgghh!!!!!!! It turned into a twisted, mangled mess, and the whole shebang went into the trash. After a while, I picked it out, and thought that things might look a little rosier this morning. Well, after a cup of joe and a smoke, and a few WWI German marching tunes I went back to the 1/72nd hangar and tried to see what I could do as far as damage control. Everything is pretty much back in place as it should be, but far from perfect. The saving grace in all of this is that it is a 1/72nd scale a/c, and the interior is barely visable. I'll know better next time just what sequence of events should take place when assembling all of those parts on the next kit. Warren ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:34:13 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Scale effect does exist Message-ID: <9d.214a37e7.296f1c85@aol.com> In a message dated 1/10/02 1:42:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, xtv16@dial.pipex.com writes: << My favourite scale colour theory is that things look more grey the further you get from them, sofor say 1/144th scale, airliners should be grey !! Dave >> well, in way yes! Maybe not for models, but if an airliner or Staaken, or even a Nieuport 11 were to appear in a painting, at a certain point in the distance it would be little more than a grayish silhouette. A really handy thing for filling those large empty spaces in a panel or canvas (or monitor screen these days). RK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:40:02 -0800 (PST) From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Still in the U.S.A. Message-ID: <20020110164002.65003.qmail@web20806.mail.yahoo.com> Howdy troops, I am unsubscribed while I am in the U.S.A. I was to attend a trial on 31 October, but the defendant disappeared. She has been found and is to appear in West Virginia court on 28 January. Since October and until late January, I've been killing time. Right now, I am enrout from Montgomery, Alabama, to Pensacola, Florida. Then it will probably be following the sun until it is time to head north again. The route home will be along the Gulf of Mexico and the Mexican border as far as San Diego and then up the coast back to British Columbia. If anyone wants to have a chat about models, the world in general or whatever, let me know off-list at and we'll see if our paths can cross. No promises - flexibility is the key to airpower - and indecision is the key to flexibility! Dave Fletcher (who has been living in his van since 20 October...) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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