WWI Digest 4055 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Munsell color converter by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 2) Re: Munsell color converter by KnnthS@aol.com 3) Re: Eduard news & blooz by KnnthS@aol.com 4) Re: Eduard news by "Ross Moorhouse" 5) Re: Eduard news by "Michael Kendix" 6) Re: Eduard news by Shane Weier 7) Lozenge question Aviatik Berg D.I by "Charlie and Linda Duckworth" 8) A sign of the times..... by Shane Weier 9) Re: Taube in Norway - was Ludemann resins by Karen Rychlewski 10) Re: penultimate (?) word on ebay by "Brent Theobald" 11) Re: penultimate (?) word on ebay by "ibs4421" 12) Computer color, was Re: Munsell color converter by Karen Rychlewski 13) Re: Computer color, was Re: Munsell color converter by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 14) Adios, Au Revoir, Auf Wiederhesen by "Dave Burke" 15) Re: penultimate (?) word on ebay by Ray Boorman 16) Re: penultimate (?) word on ebay by Todd Hayes 17) 业务洽谈 by 张珍 18) Re: Lozenge question by "Magnus" 19) Scale effect does exist by Crawford Neil 20) Re: Lozenge question by Crawford Neil 21) RE: A sign of the times..... by Crawford Neil 22) Re: Scale effect does exist by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 23) Re: Scale effect does exist by Crawford Neil 24) Re: Scale effect does exist by Crawford Neil 25) Re: Lozenge question by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:16:47 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Munsell color converter Message-ID: LOL Shane.... Yes, I do, one of the Smiley films was on TV the other night : ) All The Best Neil E _________________________________________________________________________________ NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication, you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of the Department of Human Services. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of the Department. Except as required by law, the Department does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. If you have received this email in error or have other concerns regarding this transmission, please contact the Department of Human Services System Administrator at Postmaster@dhs.vic.gov.au _________________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 22:18:07 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Munsell color converter Message-ID: <8a.123d81e6.296e61ef@aol.com> Neil and Shane translates: << All the Best >> and to you also. "Sometimes it's an art and sometimes it's a science" I raise an ale ter yers- Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 22:25:04 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Eduard news & blooz Message-ID: <128.a9ce18b.296e6390@aol.com> Shane writes: << http://www.eduard.cz/./newsletter/info0102.html >> Awesome stuff for all concerned! scales abound! coolest. so much for correcting Albert's pins in a D V... I would trade ONE decent Camel for a Whale anyday--2a or other. My kingdom for a Yak. ....no.... I *wish* I scratchbaked.... thank you, Shane = ) Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:28:45 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Eduard news Message-ID: <006901c19986$ea42d380$3b482dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> 'groan' so no sign of a Sopwith Kennel or the SE5a... %^( Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Weier" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 2:18 PM Subject: [WWI] Eduard news | Eduard's website newsletter has been updated: | | http://www.eduard.cz/./newsletter/info0102.html | | Excerpts from their text: | | "...PLASTIC KITS | | We have small delay against the kit release schedule. At this moment, we | have two kits very close to be released. | (snip ot stuff) | The second kit, which will be released in the first quarter, is re-designed | 1/48th scale Albatros D.V. It should be simply to say, that it is a reissued | old kit, but it's not true. The new Albatros is really new, with new | surface, new interior, new engine, new marking options... For second | quarter, we have two 1/72nd scale kit, Fokkers E.III and E.IV, and then we | will release 1/144th scale Junkers Ju 52. | | KIT FOR JANUARY | | Kit for January is 1/48th scale Roland C.IIa. It is the final version of | Walfish, with large rudder. And it is also the final Eduard Roland. | | ... | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ********************************************************************** | The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is | intended only for the use of the addressee(s). | If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or | copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to | forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the | MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. | | For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 | Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au | Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 | International ++61 7 38338042 | ********************************************************************** | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:34:20 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Eduard news Message-ID: >From: Shane Weier >For second quarter, we have two 1/72nd scale kit, Fokkers E.III and >E.IV, >... I suppose the Hanriots have been put off until later this year? Too bad, I'd rather have that but it'll be here eventually. Still, anything from Eduard is to be welcomed. Maybe I'll actually build one of those WW1 one wingers - never tried one. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:46:58 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Eduard news Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD9F7@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Michael says: > I suppose the Hanriots have been put off until later this > year? Too bad, > I'd rather have that but it'll be here eventually. Egg....zackly. And you have something else to finish in the meantime too, probably ;-) > Still, anything from > Eduard is to be welcomed. Maybe I'll actually build one of > those WW1 one wingers - never tried one. I wonder if they'll get the number of ribs in the wings right (as opposed to the 1/48 kit which is out by 1)? Not that it matters as much in 1/72 :-) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 22:11:20 -0600 From: "Charlie and Linda Duckworth" To: "wwi-faq" Subject: Lozenge question Aviatik Berg D.I Message-ID: <000f01c1998c$dd7e5600$3e32b9cc@unionrai> Personally, I think the colors are unacceptable and would replace them with Americal decals, or use a non-hex scheme. It would be an interesting masking project to paint them! Lance and Magnus I used the Flashback hex decals and had little trouble in getting them to lay down, I did handpaint some of them around the nose as the decals didn't want to make some of the curves. I toned down the colors by spraying a base coat of grey and had to repaint some of the white outlines around the crosses where they laid over dark hexes. As to using the Americal decals a local modeler in our 'St. Louis Jasta' started using the Americal AH lozenges and found them to be too large for the Flashback wings and fuselage. http://www.wwi-models.org/Images/Duckworth/CP/berg_2.jpg May want to wait for the JaPo book coming on the Aviatik Berg D.I and see what schemes they've come up with. Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:12:29 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwim'" Subject: A sign of the times..... Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD9F8@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Hi all, Just spent a few minutes reading on rec.models.scale where there has been a thread entitled "Are jets out of style" The answer has been yes, though current events may change that. In any case, the last posting in the thread reads in part "I've been a prop-head most of my modlling life. I can recall the eighties and most of the nineties when the only new kits or decal sheets you saw were jets. If you wanted a 1/48 P-47 you built Monogram's or Otaki's Then things swung a bit and the WW2 and now WW1 types are very popular" Well, I'll be. People outside the "Worshipfull Society of WW1 Fabricators" are starting to see *ours* as the flavour of the month genre. Who'd ever have believed that 20 years ago? (Incidentally, the posters recall of dates isn't precise. The hot jet phase began to fade in the early nineties and the WW2 phase had been dominant through the later half. Whether he's right that more WW1 models that jet kits are being released now I wouldn't dare say - being decidedly unfamiliar with those fire breathing things and overfamiliar with proper planes) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. 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For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 23:44:23 -0500 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Taube in Norway - was Ludemann resins Message-ID: <3C3D1C27.3017338C@earthlink.net> Knut Erik Hagen wrote: > >...think that the seats doubled as fuel tanks as well I'm sure you're correct, but it sure looks like a 'comfort station' :-) > >Luedemann makes two Rumpler Tauben that I'm aware of; the one very, very > close >to the Norwegian START would be the 'Etrich-Rumpler Taube 1911'; > >...Will definitely order the 1911 Taube from RRM, could you let me know what > they call it in the online catalogue, is it the Etrich Taube A.2? I am not sure what you mean by 'RRM' but on Detlef's catalog page at http://www.classic-plane-mrr.de/Catalog/catalog-1/catalog-1.html#luedemann it is no longer listed as I wrote it above. I have no idea what the 'Etrich-Rumpler Taube IV' is, and it is definitely *not* the 'Rumpler 4C Taube'. The "Taube, Dove of War" book tentatively identifies the 'Oslo Taube' as a 1912 model 3F or 3C, but I assure you that the fuselage inside the 'Etrich-Rumpler Taube 1911' box matches your photos very closely: the hump-backed turtledeck around the cockpit openings is very evident. There do *seem* to be some differences between the kit and START: the kit has a four cylinder engine and the 'instructions' have a photo of a plane with 4 exhaust tubes on the left; the START nose photo appears to be a 4-cylinder, but the exhaust is on the right--and some of the old photos with your pictures might have a six-cylinder engine. The undercarriage is slightly different also, but if you're going to put it on floats, that doesn't matter. To confuse things further, the picture of a 3C in the "Taube..." book has a more rounded nose, and in both the kit and your photos, the nose looks more angular, like a hatchet or an axe. Do you have any more information about START regarding what model it was? Thanks for the history lesson about the Norwegian flag: it's still OT in the sense that it explains the stripes on the photo of START > >Dame Karen (whose mother is Danish, thus qualifying her to needle other > >Scandinavians) > To needle a former? teacher - Scandinavia is the peninsula that makes up > Norway, Sweden and parts of Finland so Danes ain`t always considered real > Scandinavians, but they definitely live in one of the Nordic countries... Ouch! And I was always such a b**** about geography with my students...but maybe I was influenced by the fact of SAS being the airline of Denmark as well as Norway and Sweden Karen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 04:51:03 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: penultimate (?) word on ebay Message-ID: Howdy! > > Warren > > (Who would like an Eduard 1/48th OOP Red Baron Alb. D.V) 8^) >Thought that was a D.III >DB..who may have one laying about... If you don't... I do Brent _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 23:07:47 -0600 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Re: penultimate (?) word on ebay Message-ID: <004d01c19994$bf796ca0$993dfad1@dwfjv01> I have the D.III, but have not seen the D.V. Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Burke" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 5:18 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: penultimate (?) word on ebay > > Warren > > (Who would like an Eduard 1/48th OOP Red Baron Alb. D.V) 8^) > > > > > > Thought that was a D.III > > DB > > ..who may have one laying about... > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:19:29 -0500 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Computer color, was Re: Munsell color converter Message-ID: <3C3D2461.3374EC3B@earthlink.net> Neil Eddy > Just reading these recent posts re RGB/CMYK/Munsell colour systems with > some interest as I know very little about how all this works. Can someone > point me in the direction of a good basic text explaining how all these > work and how they can be applied? I'd really like to know. Neil (and other interested souls), the links at http://graphicssoft.about.com/cs/colortheory/ are a good place to start Karen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:40:15 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Computer color, was Re: Munsell color converter Message-ID: Thanks Karen, I'll have a look at it tonight. I'd like to know how these systems work and how I can use them in my modelling - at the moment I'm wrestling with my first colour wheel :-) All the Best Neil E. Neil (and other interested souls), the links at http://graphicssoft.about.com/cs/colortheory/ are a good place to start Karen _________________________________________________________________________________ NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies immediately. 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If you have received this email in error or have other concerns regarding this transmission, please contact the Department of Human Services System Administrator at Postmaster@dhs.vic.gov.au _________________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 23:49:09 -0600 From: "Dave Burke" To: Subject: Adios, Au Revoir, Auf Wiederhesen Message-ID: <000b01c1999a$8711f980$c2101a3f@s0024008072> Well Folks, The day and time are finally here and though volume has been light as of late, my current study load prohibits my actively subscribing to the List. It was nice to visit though, and Y'all can always find me off-List at dora9@sprynet.com . One neat thing this Semester is that I am taking a course in Topics in the History of Flight and reckon that I will most difinitely be doing an OT project for it - the professor is also a fan of WWI aviation and I got him chatting away about it before our first class. Probably bored most of the little darlings in the room with our discussions of his Rickenbacker biography and me bringing up Guynemere, but I say screw the little proles - most of 'em said that they took the course because they had to make up elective credit and that it sounded like a more interesting course than say, bowling (YES, they teach BOWLING at Auburn - nothing wrong with bowling itself, but a class?). I am willing to bet that a few of them drop out due to myself and some other fellow rabid wing-nuts in the class. I'm also taking a course on failure analysis - was thinking of doing a project on the Sopwith Camel as it killed more of its pilots than the Germans, but perhaps no. Should be cool. Ultimately, I have to unsub again. But I'll be back and Y'all be nice to each other, regardless of your views on monarchy and the guerre du jour. I'll post pics of 'Li' when I'm done, and I'll probably pop back up from time to time. So sp, Diego, Lee, Shane, Alan, Gaston, and everyone else - take care and DICTA IRA!! DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 21:51:11 -0800 From: Ray Boorman To: Subject: Re: penultimate (?) word on ebay Message-ID: <20020110055407.IKGF16355.priv-edtnes09-hme0.telusplanet.net@ray> On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 23:53:53 -0500 (EST), Brent Theobald wrote: >Howdy! >> > Warren >> > (Who would like an Eduard 1/48th OOP Red Baron Alb. D.V) 8^) > >>Thought that was a D.III > >>DB..who may have one laying about... > >If you don't... I do > >Brent Some of us have both the DV and the DIII along with all the older Eduard 1/48ths and most of the early Blue Max models including two Camels which means I can build 3. (imho the best Blue max model and a real bargain). Of course I'm keeping them for when I can no longer see in 1/72. Of course with my new magnifiers that may never happen ;0) Ray ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 22:02:10 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: penultimate (?) word on ebay Message-ID: <20020110060210.14693.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> The kit Warren is writing about is the Eduard Albatros D.V. It's kit #8019 and represents the a/c MvR was shot down in by the FE2 in 1917. Dave is referring to kit #8017, the all red D.III. Todd --- Brent Theobald wrote: > Howdy! > > > Warren > > > (Who would like an Eduard 1/48th OOP Red Baron > Alb. D.V) 8^) > > >Thought that was a D.III > > >DB..who may have one laying about... > > If you don't... I do > > Brent > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print > your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! 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I think I read that somewhere. In that case the masking and painting wouldn磘 be that hard. At least easier to correct after the first two or three f-ups...:-) Magnus ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Kendix To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 2:02 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: Lozenge question > >From: "Lance Krieg" > >> > >> > >It would be an interesting masking project to paint them! > > Indeed but it can be done well. See Bob Wheeler's Gotha on the web site. > > Michael > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:06:37 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Scale effect does exist Message-ID: I was talking to one of Swedens best modellers yesterday, Conny Nyquist in case any of the nordic group know him, we got onto the subject of scale colours, because he is building a series of 1/200 models, and was saying that he must add masses of white to get them to look right. If he uses the same shades as he does for 1/72 the models look almost black. And Conny knows what he's talking about, he works as a graphic designer, he always mixes his own paint, he's manic about getting the correct shade, he always used to repaint all Swedish national markings because all decals are wrong, nowadays I think he does them on the computer. In modelling he has a strange foible, he only builds Swedish aircraft. In 1/12 1/32 1/72 and now in 1/200, after finishing a yard long SAAB A32 Lansen in 1/12 (I think) that is unbelievable, he has started a series of 1/200 jets, just for fun, he was explaining how he's just done the wing vortice fences on a SK60 in 1/200. Another interesting thing he said was that a scale wing on a SK60 would be flat, but it looks better slightly thicker and rounded despite that being out of scale. He was interested in the theory of mixing in complementary colours that we were talking about, but only uses white himself, he probably makes any other compensations automatically during mixing. But says as a general rule his experience is that the bigger the model the darker (closer to real) colours can be used. For me, if Conny says it's like this, then scale effect really does exist. /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:13:42 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Lozenge question Message-ID: AFAIK, only on the metal nose panels, so as to match up with the rest. Some painter had too much time to spare? /Neil C. > -----Original Message----- > From: Magnus [mailto:carius@telia.com] > Sent: den 10 januari 2002 08:18 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: Lozenge question > > > Wasn磘 the Austro Hungarian lozenge hand painted? I think I read that > somewhere. In that case the masking and painting wouldn磘 be > that hard. At > least easier to correct after the first two or three f-ups...:-) > > Magnus > > > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:38:16 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: A sign of the times..... Message-ID: > > (Incidentally, the posters recall of dates isn't precise. The > hot jet phase > began to fade in the early nineties and the WW2 phase had > been dominant > through the later half. Whether he's right that more WW1 > models that jet > kits are being released now I wouldn't dare say - being > decidedly unfamiliar > with those fire breathing things and overfamiliar with proper planes) > > Shane > Yes early 90's saw the demise of the jets, thank god, I like jets but that was nearly as boring as the Bf10thingie era that followed, I like them too, but there is a limit. Now we seem to have a "build anything from WW2" era, which is a big improvement, variation is the spice of life, and we have plenty of that nowadays. I wouldn't say WW1 is bigger than jets, judging from the releases I read on the Hannants list, there still seem to be plenty of F16 stuff flying around. My 2 鰎e. /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:40:52 +0000 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: Scale effect does exist Message-ID: <1010655652.3c3d61a47eedb@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Crawford Neil : > For me, if Conny says it's like this, then scale effect really does > exist. > /Neil C. So what does he use to 'scale' white ? :-) One of Huntley's articles had a chart with the ratio of white paint needed to 'scale' paint at each major scale. Aeromaster used to claim their paints incorporated 'scale effect, always wondered what scale (Probably why I thought their colours were wrong !). Like a lot of modelling things (engraved lines, weathering, rigging, airbrushed edges) we exagerate the effect so that it looks 'right' to our artistic senses, without actually being 'accurate'. My favourite scale colour theory is that things look more grey the further you get from them, sofor say 1/144th scale, airliners should be grey !! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:47:04 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Scale effect does exist Message-ID: Dave: > So what does he use to 'scale' white ? > > :-) > We talked about black, and decided that it stays the same, we forgot about white, but I think that scale effect doesn't apply to white, except for possibly making it a bit off-white, but off-white looks better even in 1/1. Not sure really. /Neill C. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:58:23 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Scale effect does exist Message-ID: Maybe scale effect doesn't apply so much to airliners because they are predominantly silver and white. A grey 1/144 airliner wouldn't look so great, unless it was BA. /Neil C. > > My favourite scale colour theory is that things look more > grey the further you > get from them, sofor say 1/144th scale, airliners should be grey !! > > Dave > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:01:15 +0800 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Lozenge question Message-ID: <009101c199c6$1ff97120$236e160a@CSP00> Magnus, Neil, > AFAIK, only on the metal nose panels, so as to match > up with the rest. Some painter had too much time to spare? > /Neil C. > > > Wasn磘 the Austro Hungarian lozenge hand painted? I think I read that > > somewhere. In that case the masking and painting wouldn磘 be > > that hard. At > > least easier to correct after the first two or three f-ups...:-) > > > > Magnus it depends: the majority of the schemes were really *completely* painted, eg the typical lozenges so often found on Aviatik D I's. A typical example, that survived *nearly* to our day was the Knoller C II in the Prague technical museum, which had the lozenges hand painted on all upper surfaces, including the fabric. Unfortunately this was repainted sometime in the 80ies (IIRC), using wrong colors and a different scheme. I have never understood how one could invest in such a time consuming method (especially when you see that they produced other aircraft without *any* camouflage at the same time). In the end the Austrians learned the lesson and switched to simplified methods. There were (AFAIK) 2 different printed fabrics that the Austrians used, with the only famous one being the "sworl" camouflage used on a number of Albatros D III(Oeff). There is a superb reference on AH scheme in the series by Marty O'Connor in Cross&Cockade (International - a comprehensive 12 part series staring (again from memory only) around vol. 18. It is only spoiled by the use of samples from the Rodney Gerrard collection, which were later on discovered to be fakes... But still superb reading, and a perfect example of what enthusiasm and dedication can achieve. Volker ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4055 **********************