WWI Digest 4053 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Plea for help! by "Tom Plesha" 2) RE: Flying Leatherneck Ninacks by Balzer Mr Gregory P 3) RE: ebay Bidding by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 4) Re: airbrush help by "Michael Kendix" 5) Re: Rotherham Air Pumps Again by "Diego Fernetti" 6) The Biotech Sector #3222 by "Benjamin Pascal" 7) Re: Gaston by Allan Wright 8) Re: Rotherham Air Pumps Again by Crawford Neil 9) Re: Missing List Member by "Diego Fernetti" 10) RE: C Pup by "Graham Hunter" 11) RE: Flying Leatherneck Ninacks by "Dave Burke" 12) re: Luedemann by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 13) Re: Plea for help! by "Dave Burke" 14) Re: Missing List Member by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 15) Re: Lone Star Junkers Info and More by "Brent Theobald" 16) Re: Junkers J10/CL.1 by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 17) Expensive Kits was Lone Star Junkers by "Brent Theobald" 18) Re: Alps printers by KarrArt@aol.com 19) Re: Lone Star Junkers Info and More by Todd Hayes 20) Re: Expensive Kits was Lone Star Junkers by Todd Hayes 21) penultimate (?) word on ebay by Myles Miller 22) Ebay by Allan Wright 23) Re: Expensive Kits are the available ones by KnnthS@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:31:28 -0500 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: Re: Plea for help! Message-ID: <000f01c19911$f18b0c40$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com> Hi David- Please contact me off-list. This is not directly in regard to your current post. thanks Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Watts" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 2:47 AM Subject: [WWI] Plea for help! > Hi all, > > I have a proposition. > > I have a gentleman in San Carlos, California that has some WW1 relics for > sale, and I need someone to inspect a LMG Spandau I'm negotiating purchasing > from him. We have a price, I just need to get details such as if the gun is > matching in serial numbers throughout, are any parts missing or damaged, and > what has been done to deactivate the weapon. The thing is the gent is 88 > years old, and can't get the gun down from the ceiling to describe it in > detail to me, and I'm in Indianapolis. Once there, I have a toll-free > number that can be called to give me the details. > > I can offer $50 to someone to take a ride over and see what's what. He is > 25 miles south of San Francisco. There are some other items he has for sale > I would like some details on as well when you are there. I only ask that I > be given first right of refusal on a couple of things, and then you are > welcome to negotiate on any other items he may have for sale for yourself. > > Thanks for any assistance, > Best wishes, > Dave W. > P.S. Going to bed, so will be a while before I reply back. > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:29:46 -0500 From: Balzer Mr Gregory P To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Flying Leatherneck Ninacks Message-ID: <47637867E285D5118FAE00B0D0D1C976013C2530@TECOM03E> Karen, (et al.) >From talking with Ken Smith-Christmas, I understand the FT-17 in the MCB museum to be a steel US production model, used for testing. We'll confirm its lineage, and get as many photos as possible. As far as taking photos in the museum, I will also ask if the museum staff have any file photos they took during restoration, or for cataloging purposes, which might provide better quality, and let Sanjeev and I focus on getting pictures of the esoterica that most people overlook but modelers obsess about! ; -) /R/ Greg -----Original Message----- From: Karen Rychlewski [mailto:krychski@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 11:19 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] RE: Flying Leatherneck Ninacks Ross Moorhouse begged: > Could you take photos of the FT-17 Renault tank, the King 1915 armored car, > and the 5 ton Holt tractor and send them to me. I will then put them up on > the AFV BBQ site. ..and I will second that, having started a long term project involving FT-17 kits, PE goodies for them, and variants of the FT-17. Along those lines, I wonder if the FT-17 there is really the French original, or if it's the US 6 ton copy. Would like photos of any markings also, since some of the 6 ton tanks had the Marine Corps insignia on the front. Karen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 13:44:23 +0000 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: RE: ebay Bidding Message-ID: <1010583863.3c3c49376d6a7@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting CoolSpadLuke@aol.com: > I suggest that those listees that wish to consult with each other > concerning ebay bidding could do so off list among themselves. > I suppose as unofficial keeper of the list of members ebay ids I should chip in here. I expressly make no suggestions or recommendations as to what members do with the list, and supply (and record) it for information purposes only. MY idea behind doing this is that members can be aware when another list member is bidding. What you do then is entirely up to you. You can contact another member off list (The list of members email addys is easily available). This may (or may not) prevent members getting in to a bidding war, but that is up to the people involved. I'm against the idea of 'dibbing' as the list is worldwide, and any 'dibbing' will naturally be affected by time zones. Bottom line with ebay, bid what you are willing to pay and if you lose, well, that's a free market. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 14:22:21 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: airbrush help Message-ID: >From: "ibs4421" > I have still not decided whether or not I will attempt to >use >my airbrush or not on this Fokker F.1 . I plan on using >Misterkit, >amongst other acryllic paints. In the opinion of those in >the know about >such things, what air pressure would you recommend for >spraying acryllics? > All of the advice I have gotten so far tells me >to thin my paint (I hear >windshield washer fluid works well) to the >consistency of milk. Is this >not so? Warren: I had a similar set of questions when I started using my airbrush. The problem is that different airbrushes have different ideal mixes. My Thayer & Chandler 5000 is really sensitive to thick paints and clogs easily, so I have to use really thin mixtures. I dilute mostly with isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol and sometimes windscreen washer fluid. The thing to do is to practice a bit with a sheet of plastic card or an unwanted kit. If you do thin layers of paint, each layer can be dried quickly with a hair dryer - use a low pressure cool setting and you can do several coats until it covers. Test it out a little until you get to the ideal mixture for you. Different brands of acrylic paint behave differently; e.g. Misterkit have a smoother texture than Testors or Aeromaster, which allows a slightly thicker mixture. Also, some colours contain chemmicals that make them less well-behaved. For example, I have found greys, olive drab, browns and dark greens to be fairly easy. In contrast, yellows, reds, white and blue are more problemmatic. Buy a decent spray mask with filters. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 14:41:32 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Rotherham Air Pumps Again Message-ID: I do! 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Thanks, Allan - List Administrator nb: Jim Ryan Speed 400 P47 (Shame on me, but they fly so goooooood) nu: Dare Sopwith Pup R/C 24" wingspan > The main problem here is that Gaston constantly goes off-topic and then > proceeds to denigrate other nationalities and air political views etc which > have nothing to do with a wwi interest list. > > I don't think it is anything to do with his first language not being English > since we have many friends on the list from Brazil, Argentina, Germany, > Poland, Italy etc who don't land up insulting people on the basis that they > are using a language which is not their native tongue. > > I agree with Neil C. Digs at other people in terms of nationalities and > their heads of state are simply not appropriate or relevant to this list. =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:49:40 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Rotherham Air Pumps Again Message-ID: I think I have two of those stuck behind the cockpit on my 1/72 DH4A, little propeller thingies IIRC. /Neil C. (mad as a hatter) > -----Original Message----- > From: Diego Fernetti [mailto:d_fernetti@hotmail.com] > Sent: den 9 januari 2002 15:44 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: Rotherham Air Pumps Again > > > I do! > D. > > > >From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au > >Could you imagine building a 1/72 > >one? :-0 > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 14:50:37 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Missing List Member Message-ID: Hey Gaston is an excellent fellow and a generous friend. What he has is passion, and sometimes for us non-english speakers the words are like foreign currency coins that we don't know exactly how the market value is (remember my pityful experience trying to talk true blue?) Just my devaluated 2 pesos D. from abroad... _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:28:14 -0600 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: RE: C Pup Message-ID: <000001c19922$426a8720$770101c0@ghunter> What scale is that Pup Allan? Is that about 1/12th? I saw a 1/4 scale at the Dayton Fly-in in 2000, and it wa very nice. Graham ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:27:34 -0600 From: "Dave Burke" To: Subject: RE: Flying Leatherneck Ninacks Message-ID: <000901c1992a$8c35d960$5cf91c3f@s0024008072> As to the FT-17, I took pics of the one at the Hotel des Invalides while I was in Paris a couple o' years back - pics are on the Site under some weird category or other - not under model pics though. \ DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:20:55 +0100 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: re: Luedemann Message-ID: <011401c19929$9f12c1c0$0200a8c0@x.pl> Hi! About that Ludemann's models: I think that all are right. Nieuport 24 is definitely not perfect model, but as I wrote a few times, it is for sure WORST of all Ludemann's models! I have now more than 10 Ludemanns, and they are very good. Only Nieuport is not very much. Another proof of it is that Detlef lists it as much cheaper that other models! (19 DM vs usual 29DM IIRC). It must be just one time fault, and Matt is unfortunate that it was Nieuport... Another thing is, that his Nieuport Matt has from me, and I've bought 2 that models (second for myself) not in Germany, but from Polish distributor. I'm 100% sure that it is not pirate copy, but I also think that Ludemann manufacture has not constant quality (even in one airplane's model, from the same mould), and better moulded models he sells for bigger money through Detlef in Germany, and ones which are worse moulded, through Boguslaw, who is Polish distributor, much cheaper. I think this is fair, because market is free and we Poles can buy better models from Detlef, if only we want pay more. But I have never seen 'German' Ludemann, only "Polish" ones, which are good, and sometimes very good. I also think, that Ardpol or Choroszy models are better quality than any Ludemann. And comes with decals and detailed instructions. But are twice expensive, so I have many Ludemanns and very few Choroszy or Ardpol. I hope that info will be usefull. Grzegorz _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:30:16 -0600 From: "Dave Burke" To: Subject: Re: Plea for help! Message-ID: <004001c1992a$ecafb9a0$5cf91c3f@s0024008072> > Hi all, > > I have a proposition. > Ask Eric Hight about it - he's got a Spandau. DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:22:19 +0100 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: Missing List Member Message-ID: <012401c19929$d2f70f00$0200a8c0@x.pl> Gaston told me that he unsubscribed voluntarily. Grzegorz > I am not sure if he dropped off voluntarily or was hit by ORBZ. The Domain (vo.lu) that his ISP uses has been found guilty of not using good SPAM filters. (My ISP, x25.net, Domain, (Uses > ORBZ) has kicked them off.) I think wwi may be using ORBZ as well so that is all I know about that. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:22:27 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Lone Star Junkers Info and More Message-ID: Hi Rory, >For 65-72 bones, it ought to be an all PE >'stripdown' kit with white metal engine, bits, and clear stryene >corrugated skinning - a 'visible' D.I. >-Or else be an RC kit which will actually fly. I think that is a fair market value for a big resin kit like this one. The J.I is a big airplane with big thick wings. That's a lot of resin. The price is comparable to the mid-Range copper State kits and the Jager kits. I don't know about others, but I love bringing wierd models to my club meetings and contests. You know, walk up to the table full of 109's and P-51's and plonk down a 1/48 SSW Dr.I or a 1/72 DH-2. Bringing in a huge 1.48 Junkers J.I would be great. Of course it will be dwarfed by my humongous Gotha G.III! Later gang! Brent (who once built a paper OT ship in 1/250. The SMS Panther. That drew some looks!) nl: My Taliban love song - Seek and Destroy _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:24:18 +0100 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: Junkers J10/CL.1 Message-ID: <012801c1992a$181b4100$0200a8c0@x.pl> On 99% Volker means Ludemann. I've just ordered newest Ludemann's Junkers D.I, and I was told that it would be more Junkers in future. G. > For a surprise Junkers Cl I popping up (in 72 scale) > in my last mail please read " a surprise *resin* Junkers Cl I" > Volker _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:35:36 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Expensive Kits was Lone Star Junkers Message-ID: Howdy! >If someone had told me five >years ago, that I would willingly pay $100 for any >kit, I'd have told them, "You're nuts! Over the Edge >I go!! So true, so true. It wasn't that long ago that I balked at paying $40 for a German two holer. Hah, now that is nothing! That is pretty much the low end for me lately. Especially when you consider the two 1/350 ships I purchased last year. One cruiser and another battle cruiser. ( I got caught sneaking them in the house too... Not pretty.) Expensive ($40+) kits in my collection: Copper State 1/48 Gotha G.III - worth the money Copper State 1/48 HB W.12 - tought kit but a fair value TC Resins 1/48 Vickers Vimy - not a good value - run away! Contrail 1/72 Staaken - very rough - run away! HR Resins 1/72 Gotha G.VII - do not buy this kit - it's copied from the Sierra Scale Vac Choroszy Fredrichshaven 1/72G.III and G.IIIa - a fair value MPM HPM 1/48 He-177 - holy crap that's a lot of resin! You get what you pay for I'm still waiting for the POMK 1/48 Mariner... Hey! How'd those last two get on there? Later gang! Brent _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:57:15 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Alps printers Message-ID: <17d.1d3693f.296dd06b@aol.com> In a message dated 1/8/02 8:28:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, haeusler@tm.net.my writes: << No new ALPS (or any replacements) available in the US. OKI obviously does not plan to change that as well... >> My main worry is about the supplies to feed the thing, especially the dye-sub cassettes and photo paper. RK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:01:59 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Lone Star Junkers Info and More Message-ID: <20020109180159.48155.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Neil, This is the biplane monster and a monster it is at 13" wingspan in 1/48. Todd --- Crawford Neil wrote: > > Huh, I must have my Junkers aircraft confused too. > I thought the J.I > > (furniture van) was completely covered in > corrugated > > duraluminum. Therefore > > wouldn't need the lozenge... > > > > I have to digging in the refs again... Woo hoo! > :-) > > > > Later! > > > > Brent > > > > The rear fuselage was fabric covered, usually in the > same colour > as the rest of the plane, but some of the nicest > paint-schemes > have the rear in lozenge. > > And I'm talking about the biplane monster, hope > thats what this is about! > /Neil C. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:13:36 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Expensive Kits was Lone Star Junkers Message-ID: <20020109181336.4874.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> All the more reason to love Eduard! --- Brent Theobald wrote: > Howdy! > > >If someone had told me five > >years ago, that I would willingly pay $100 for any > >kit, I'd have told them, "You're nuts! Over the > Edge > >I go!! > > So true, so true. It wasn't that long ago that I > balked at paying $40 for a > German two holer. Hah, now that is nothing! That is > pretty much the low end > for me lately. Especially when you consider the two > 1/350 ships I purchased > last year. One cruiser and another battle cruiser. ( > I got caught sneaking > them in the house too... Not pretty.) > > Expensive ($40+) kits in my collection: > > Copper State 1/48 Gotha G.III - worth the money > Copper State 1/48 HB W.12 - tought kit but a fair > value > TC Resins 1/48 Vickers Vimy - not a good value - run > away! > Contrail 1/72 Staaken - very rough - run away! > HR Resins 1/72 Gotha G.VII - do not buy this kit - > it's copied from the > Sierra Scale Vac > Choroszy Fredrichshaven 1/72G.III and G.IIIa - a > fair value > MPM HPM 1/48 He-177 - holy crap that's a lot of > resin! You get what you pay > for > I'm still waiting for the POMK 1/48 Mariner... > > Hey! How'd those last two get on there? > > Later gang! > > Brent > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 12:29:28 -0800 From: Myles Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: penultimate (?) word on ebay Message-ID: <4.1.20020109102354.009f84a0@pop.thc.state.tx.us> Wow, this ebay bidding topic is generating some Voss cowl-like strong opinions and emotions. Let's try to reign it in here before we create some harsh feelings. I've lost bids to several list members - some because the bid price went way above my budget limits and some others by less than a buck. In two cases I sent congratulatory messages to the winning listee. I was glad that the kit went to someone who I knew would put it to good use. In some ways I agree with Mike Franklin's recent post. My particular family and financial constraints shouldn't prohibit others out there having real jobs :) or fewer obligations from bidding whatever they want, although I do sometimes envy the bank accounts of some bidders (there are currently two guys [non-listmembers] who seem to be on a quest to buy every Fokker, Eduard, and DML OT kit in existence, and damned if they don't have the funds to do it - $109 for a DML DVII Udet kit yesterday). Sandy also has a valid point and everyone should retain the right to bid aggressively on favorite items. On the other hand, a gentlepersons' agreement to work out some conflicting bids can help avoid problems. However, here is the bottom line: is losing the grace and good will of one or more members of the small community here on the WWI list worth a 25 cent or dollar bid on a kit or datafile? Isn't the information sharing and help available here worth a bit more? Where else could I post a note about the Hanriot rear fuse framework, and within a couple days receive a photo from Steve Perry showing the whole area in detail? I'll give up a few auctions in order to retain access to such help ................... ............................................................................ ............................unless it is another OOP Eduard Alb DV Red Baron kit :) Stay cool out there, Myles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:35:21 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: wwi Subject: Ebay Message-ID: <200201091835.NAA31633@mustang.sr.unh.edu> This thread is getting old, maybe this will put a fork in it. I don't mind if someone here wants to let others know they're interested in an item. We hardly make up a majority of the WWI bidders on Ebay. If you object to that and are interested in the item, then bid on it. Membership in this list only comes with one commitment, and that's proper behavior on THIS mailing list. Anything else is simply a courtesy to 'friends' made here. Personally I don't shop for kits on Ebay because the prices there always seem to get outrageous. Allan =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:38:15 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Expensive Kits are the available ones Message-ID: <9a.1f2e6785.296de817@aol.com> In a message dated 9/1/02 10:16:34 am, thayes_52601@yahoo.com writes: << All the more reason to love Eduard! >> when I see a proper Camel...an SE...something like that I *do* love them, think they do an excellent job....but....I tried to learn German to look at Hans' recent post of Ed's facility and after mastering, just mastering German, I dint see a Hooligan anywhere. . . (Hans, don't test...) Ken, The Yak Fan ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4053 **********************