WWI Digest 4049 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Above the Lines & Over the Front by "Lance Krieg" 2) Re: Alps Decals and English as She is spoke by "Lance Krieg" 3) Re: Inside Eduard by "Brent Theobald" 4) Re: Lone Star Junkers Info and More by "Lance Krieg" 5) Re: Lone Star Junkers Info and More by Todd Hayes 6) Re: USA Fokker D.VII another question... by "Ross Moorhouse" 7) Re: Lone Star Junkers Info and More by "Brent Theobald" 8) RE: ARRRGH by "Nigel Rayner" 9) RE: ebay Bidding by "Nigel Rayner" 10) RE:DeARRRRGH was: ARRRRRGH by "Nigel Rayner" 11) Re: Lone Star Junkers Info and More by Todd Hayes 12) RE: Flying Leatherneck Ninacks by Balzer Mr Gregory P 13) PART Bristol Scout C Detail Set by Todd Hayes 14) RE: Flying Leatherneck Ninacks by "Ross Moorhouse" 15) Re: Lone Star Junkers Info and More by "Brent Theobald" 16) RE: Flying Leatherneck Ninacks by Balzer Mr Gregory P 17) Re: Rotherham Air Pumps Again by "D Charles" 18) RE: ebay Bidding by "Michael Kendix" 19) Re: Wings in the Night-Caproni Bombers by "Len Smith" 20) Re: Lone Star Junkers Info and More by Todd Hayes 21) Off topic question by "Magnus" 22) Re: ICM by Shane Weier 23) ICM news by Myles Miller 24) RE: ebay Bidding by "ot811" 25) Missing List Member by NodalPoint@aol.com 26) RE: Problematic German Camo Colors, was, Voss again!!! by Shane Weier 27) RE: ebay Bidding by Shane Weier ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 13:35:44 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Above the Lines & Over the Front Message-ID: John asks: "How good are the above.... with respect to modeling reference?" Not very good. These are capsule biographies and victory lists. Pictures are usually of the pilots, not the planes. "Jasta Pilots" DOES have a nice section recapitulating all the jasta markings. If you want a quick reference for who was who, and how many he shot down, then these are very useful. HTH Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 13:42:04 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Alps Decals and English as She is spoke Message-ID: "How sharp is the A/G sheet?" There are so many storks on these sheets that any acuity problems are overcome by sheer numbers. I assume Peter needs 1/32 storks, or I would offer him a couple; mine are all 1/48. But escadrille emblems besides the Cigognes are in sore neeed! Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 19:52:28 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Inside Eduard Message-ID: Howdy! >Should I fake up some Journo Credentials and >see if I can get an interview? Sure, go for it! I know a certain online hobby shop that would love to post something like this. Later! Brent (Roll Models' Minister of Propaganda) _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 13:53:26 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Lone Star Junkers Info and More Message-ID: Mike failed to mention he has the 1/48 Sablatnig SF2/5 finally available, too. He's an unusual businessman, but a real visionary with his kits! Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:02:09 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Lone Star Junkers Info and More Message-ID: <20020108200209.81120.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Brent, Do you know what the J.I kit went for on e-bay? I bought mine from LSM for $65. Btw, the kit number is LSM0107. Todd --- Brent Theobald wrote: > Howdy Gang! > > After getting caught up in the bidding war for the > Lone Star Junkers J.I > (which I thankfully lost) I decided to see what > could be done about making > the Lone Star Junkers kits more available. > > I emailed Mike West of Lone Star Models: > > "There seems to be a fair amount of interest in your > Junkers D.I and J.I. > How many people would you need to commit to > purchasing a kit before you > would consider re-releasing it?" > > His response was: "I have already re-released the > D-I kit. The J-I is > available too except that I have been unable to get > an order of the brass > parts for it from my supplier." > > I also asked: "I haven't been able to find reference > to either the Junkers > D.I or J.I on your web site. I'd like to quote price > and availability before > getting back to the WWI list." > > Mike's response: "The J-I should be listed but I may > have taken it off. The > D-I will be relisted when the site is redesigned, > which will be soon. It > sells for $45.00 and is all resin now. I will have > the 1/48 Gotha G-I and > Halberstadt D-V out this year too." > > So, it sounds as if both Junkers kits are, or soon > will be available. The > Gotha G.I and Halberstadt D.V will make great > additions to the 1/48 WWI > arsenal. It wouldn't hurt to encourage Mike about > the Gotha G.I and > Halberstadt. He can be contacted at:lsmodels@pdq.net > or you cab visit his > web site at http://www.lonestarmodels.com > > I have no affiliation with Mike West or Lone Star > Models. He is a nice guy > that I have spoken to and I also like to help > promote the production of WWI > kits. > > Later! > > Brent > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: > http://mobile.msn.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 07:12:54 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: USA Fokker D.VII another question... Message-ID: <001e01c19880$db6bde80$3b482dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> Again thank you Rob. I am glad that your book hasn't been lost in the room shuffle. ;-) Cheers Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 3:45 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: USA Fokker D.VII another question... | In a message dated 1/8/02 5:13:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, | rossmoor@bigpond.net.au writes: | | << Seeing that the outside of the USA Fokker D.VII was OD. What would the | colour of the fabric on the inside, as seen in the cockpit, have been? | | TIA | | Ross | >> | | Fabric color. | The same book quoted for O.D. also gave the whole doping scheme- four coats | clear dope followed by the O.D., which was oil base enamel. So, the color | coats wouldn't soak through the sealed fabric. | RK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 20:15:03 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Lone Star Junkers Info and More Message-ID: Howdy Todd, >Do you know what the J.I kit went for on e-bay? I >bought mine from LSM for $65. Btw, the kit number is >LSM0107. Yup! It went for $72. I remembered it being a mid-range expensive kit from Lone Star but the one on Ebay came with some lozenge decals too so I thought it was on the high side of a fair deal. I wonder if the guy who won it will build it and if he will apply the lozenge decals? Later! Brent "You can run, but you'll only die tired..." _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:24:39 -0000 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: RE: ARRRGH Message-ID: <000201c19882$7f4e68a0$983bedc1@w1o0t3> Hans wrote: >I will donate my Merlin kits! C'mon Hans, that's hardly a sacrifice. Donating Merlin kits will only make the modelling gods more angry and Pedro's wings will be flying in all directions! Cheers, Nigel R ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:24:40 -0000 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: RE: ebay Bidding Message-ID: <000301c19882$7ffde280$983bedc1@w1o0t3> Al wrote (re dibbsing and all that): >It also may well be in violation of eBay's User Agreement in that >it could be construed as "interference with an auction"... Just a thought - could this expose the site and Al's employer (the university) to potentially adverse legal consequences? Something we should think carefully about. Cheers, Nigel R ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:24:41 -0000 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: RE:DeARRRRGH was: ARRRRRGH Message-ID: <000401c19882$80a5bb40$983bedc1@w1o0t3> Pedro wrote: >Goethe or no Goethe, God or no God >Took a deep breath, looked at the sod >glued wing in place, cursed at the struts >dabbed'em in CA on both up and down butts >rigged the beast in fear it all fall apart >with invisible thread and a fast beating heart >pulled tight the last wire, waited a sec and let go, >The Phnix has risen, the model not much so.... ;-). Nice one! No Goethe, but pretty good for a non-native English speaker. Glad you got it together, look forward to seeing pics. I really do have to finish mine now. Cheers, Nigel R ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:23:04 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Lone Star Junkers Info and More Message-ID: <20020108202304.78138.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> $72 isn't bad at all! That's surprising. Mine comes with lozenge decals too, by Aeromaster. The PE is absolutely gorgeous and extremely extensive. Todd --- Brent Theobald wrote: > Howdy Todd, > > >Do you know what the J.I kit went for on e-bay? I > >bought mine from LSM for $65. Btw, the kit number > is > >LSM0107. > > Yup! It went for $72. I remembered it being a > mid-range expensive kit from > Lone Star but the one on Ebay came with some lozenge > decals too so I thought > it was on the high side of a fair deal. > > I wonder if the guy who won it will build it and if > he will apply the > lozenge decals? > > Later! > > Brent > > "You can run, but you'll only die tired..." > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print > your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:20:08 -0500 From: Balzer Mr Gregory P To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Flying Leatherneck Ninacks Message-ID: <47637867E285D5118FAE00B0D0D1C976013C2502@TECOM03E> Good Afternoon All, Spoke with Mr. Ken Smith-Christmas of the Quantico museum today. He is currently arranging for me to have unlimited access to the museum (Sanjeev: I will get the date and time on Tuesday next week and let you know). The museum does not have a DH9, but it does have an original Jenny. Ken is looking through his files for any photos of the DH9s that the Marines got from the Brits. He believes that the Marines were flying DH4s at the time, and got the 9s from the Brits, but didn't bring them back to the States afterwards. In addition, I will be looking through original photos and will select several that have different USMC emblems and markings. The museum also has an FT-17 Renault tank, a King 1915 armored car, and a 5 ton Holt tractor used to move artillery if anyone is interested. Greg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:27:23 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: PART Bristol Scout C Detail Set Message-ID: <20020108202723.12409.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> Hi List, This is a beautiful and extensive detail set. I received mine from Roll Models yesterday and I am not in the least disappointed. It can add a signifigant amount of extra detailing to the Gavia Bristol and I recommend it highly. Todd __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 07:29:29 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: RE: Flying Leatherneck Ninacks Message-ID: <003e01c19883$2cb239e0$3b482dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> Greg, Could you take photos of the FT-17 Renault tank, the King 1915 armored car, and the 5 ton Holt tractor and send them to me. I will then put them up on the AFV BBQ site. TIA Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Balzer Mr Gregory P" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 7:24 AM Subject: [WWI] RE: Flying Leatherneck Ninacks | Good Afternoon All, | Spoke with Mr. Ken Smith-Christmas of the Quantico museum today. He is | currently arranging for me to have unlimited access to the museum (Sanjeev: | I will get the date and time on Tuesday next week and let you know). The | museum does not have a DH9, but it does have an original Jenny. Ken is | looking through his files for any photos of the DH9s that the Marines got | from the Brits. He believes that the Marines were flying DH4s at the time, | and got the 9s from the Brits, but didn't bring them back to the States | afterwards. In addition, I will be looking through original photos and will | select several that have different USMC emblems and markings. | | The museum also has an FT-17 Renault tank, a King 1915 armored car, and a 5 | ton Holt tractor used to move artillery if anyone is interested. | | Greg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 20:33:40 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Lone Star Junkers Info and More Message-ID: Howdy! >$72 isn't bad at all! That's surprising. Mine comes >with lozenge decals too, by Aeromaster. The PE is >absolutely gorgeous and extremely extensive. Huh, I must have my Junkers aircraft confused too. I thought the J.I (furniture van) was completely covered in corrugated duraluminum. Therefore wouldn't need the lozenge... I have to digging in the refs again... Woo hoo! :-) Later! Brent _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:33:45 -0500 From: Balzer Mr Gregory P To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Flying Leatherneck Ninacks Message-ID: <47637867E285D5118FAE00B0D0D1C976013C2505@TECOM03E> Ross, Will do. Greg -----Original Message----- From: Ross Moorhouse [mailto:rossmoor@bigpond.net.au] Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 3:31 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] RE: Flying Leatherneck Ninacks Greg, Could you take photos of the FT-17 Renault tank, the King 1915 armored car, and the 5 ton Holt tractor and send them to me. I will then put them up on the AFV BBQ site. TIA Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Balzer Mr Gregory P" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 7:24 AM Subject: [WWI] RE: Flying Leatherneck Ninacks | Good Afternoon All, | Spoke with Mr. Ken Smith-Christmas of the Quantico museum today. He is | currently arranging for me to have unlimited access to the museum (Sanjeev: | I will get the date and time on Tuesday next week and let you know). The | museum does not have a DH9, but it does have an original Jenny. Ken is | looking through his files for any photos of the DH9s that the Marines got | from the Brits. He believes that the Marines were flying DH4s at the time, | and got the 9s from the Brits, but didn't bring them back to the States | afterwards. In addition, I will be looking through original photos and will | select several that have different USMC emblems and markings. | | The museum also has an FT-17 Renault tank, a King 1915 armored car, and a 5 | ton Holt tractor used to move artillery if anyone is interested. | | Greg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 06:43:34 +1000 From: "D Charles" To: Subject: Re: Rotherham Air Pumps Again Message-ID: <007401c19885$24c754c0$56011ad3@Charls> What scale is this pump that you're building? David ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 3:17 PM Subject: [WWI] Rotherham Air Pumps Again ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 20:51:10 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: ebay Bidding Message-ID: >From: "Nigel Rayner" > >Al wrote (re dibbsing and all that): > >It also may well be in violation of eBay's User Agreement in that > >it could be construed as "interference with an auction"... > >Just a thought - could this expose the site and Al's employer (the >university) to potentially adverse legal consequences? Something we >should >think carefully about. I agree with Nigel. I thought it was Sandy Adam who'd warned about the practice of "Ringing". While I understand the feelings of some folks, I think we really ought not to do this. I have never used eBay but it seems the desired outcome of some listees was to reduce the amount paid, in some cases, by coordinating their bidding. I don't know the law but if I were selling something, I might feel aggrieved. Besides, this is outside the primary purpose of the list. Look at it this way. Suppose the University of New Hampshire President receives a complaint from some allegedly aggrieved person. What do you think his inital reaction might be? Maybe, suspend the list activity pending an investigation? Michael _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:15:00 -0000 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: Wings in the Night-Caproni Bombers Message-ID: <000801c19889$06c99420$1e4f08c3@oemcomputer> Greetings, > > Dame Karen (who just ordered that book and four others including the > 1916 "Jane's All the World's > Aircraft"--a reprint, I presume; and otherwise has no connection to the > site) If you had to take out a mortgage on it, it must be an original. If not it sounds interesting as, to the best of my knowledge, David & Charles only reprinted the 1903 Airships, the 1913 Aircraft and the 1919 Aircraft. Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:14:39 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Lone Star Junkers Info and More Message-ID: <20020108211439.17973.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> I think the rear of the fuselage was covered in fabric. --- Brent Theobald wrote: > Howdy! > > >$72 isn't bad at all! That's surprising. Mine > comes > >with lozenge decals too, by Aeromaster. The PE is > >absolutely gorgeous and extremely extensive. > > Huh, I must have my Junkers aircraft confused too. I > thought the J.I > (furniture van) was completely covered in corrugated > duraluminum. Therefore > wouldn't need the lozenge... > > I have to digging in the refs again... Woo hoo! :-) > > Later! > > Brent > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: > http://mobile.msn.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:34:35 +0100 From: "Magnus" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: Off topic question Message-ID: <06e501c1988c$44c83760$648d42d5@magnus> Was thinking of selling or trading of some of my stash, since my recent accuired interest in WWI kits has put quite a dent in my economy. :-) Exept for e-bay and r.m.s, where on the net do you sell your unwanted kits? Magnus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 07:33:59 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: ICM Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD9DB@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Witold says: > I read on pl.rec.modelarstwo (Polish r.m.s) that ICM most > probably will > divide into two new firms. One in Ukraine and one in Russia. > Old ICM T-28 tank appeared under new IDK label in November, so maybe > this is only changing names like Toko -> Roden and EE. This morning (my time) On rec.models.scale Paul Boyer posted a statement from ICM-USA which says: "ICM-USA president Michael Lipovich has heard the rumors that his Redwood City, Calif.-based is going out of business, but he says they are ³completely incorrect.² ³I have a lot of people calling with the same question, but no company going out of business is coming out with 100 new items in a year,² Lipovich says. He adds the confusion may have come about due to the Ukrainian-based parent companyıs decision to open a subsidiary in Russia, but under a new name, which has not yet been announced." I hope that this is correct and that for once Earl has got it wrong - in any case it fits very neatly with Witolds news. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 15:39:45 -0800 From: Myles Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: ICM news Message-ID: <4.1.20020108153650.00a0c5b0@pop.thc.state.tx.us> Hope I'm not being redundant since I'm on digest mode, but I just ran across this: >Gregg Voss, Kalmbach's Model Retailer associate editor got this statement from ICM-USA: >ICM-USA president Michael Lipovich has heard the rumors that his Redwood City, Calif.-based is going out of business, but he says they are >"completely incorrect." >I have a lot of people calling with the same question, but no company goingout of business is coming out with 100 new items in a year," Lipovich >says. >He adds the confusion may have come about due to the Ukrainian-based parent companyıs decision to open a subsidiary in Russia, but under a >new name, which has not yet been announced. Myles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:41:06 -0500 From: "ot811" To: Subject: RE: ebay Bidding Message-ID: <011201c1988d$32cad990$0800010a@cyberelan.com> Setting aside for the moment, the moral or ethical aspects of dibbing/ringing, I cant see how this can be by any stretch of imagination, illegal or against ebay user agreement. All that we are doing is a voluntary private agreement between co-operating parties, no coercion, no attempt to corner the market, no attempt to prevent anybody from else from bidding their own way. Doesn't even have the force of a buying co-operative. Personally I think dibbing reduces free-market efficiency by obscuring market signals, but is by no means illegal or unethical. Just my $0.02 regards ssh nb:fe2b nr:Winged victory, by Yeates ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 16:45:35 EST From: NodalPoint@aol.com To: Subject: Missing List Member Message-ID: <184.1d1000c.296cc280@aol.com> I have been away and haven't seen the list in a few days. I noticed a post mentioning something about Gaston then noticed he hadn't posted for the last couple of digest I have in my box. Did something happen to him? He usually posts a lot. If this is too off topic, I would appreciate if someone could fill me in off-list. Best, Steve nodalpoint@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 07:53:28 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Problematic German Camo Colors, was, Voss again!!! Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD9DD@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Stef K says > This leaves modelers and others free to choose their colors > from rather > broadly understood color families, consistent perhaps with > the kinds of > values known to be used for camouflage in better documented > periods and air > arms. Such freedom may not be so unfortunate after all. > Excellent summation Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:08:25 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: ebay Bidding Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD9DE@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Michael, > I agree with Nigel. I thought it was Sandy Adam who'd warned > about the > practice of "Ringing". While I understand the feelings of > some folks, I > think we really ought not to do this. I have never used eBay > but it seems > the desired outcome of some listees was to reduce the amount > paid, in some > cases, by coordinating their bidding. I don't know the law > but if I were > selling something, I might feel aggrieved. Uh-huh. And in ten minutes inspection you will find examples of sellers bidding for their own goods and against themselves using second and third email identities to drive up bids by genuine buyers. Ebay does sod all to stop this which is unquestionably illegal. The intent by listees was simply to allow friends uninterupted access to goods they might bid on. When I go to a real auction and sit with my mates, I don't make casual bids for items I'm mildly interested in when one of them really wants it, and the same applies in reverse. I can't see that the application of the rule of mammon need entirely prevent the application of good manners Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. 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