WWI Digest 4046 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: MAC Phonix DI (was ARRRGH) by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 2) Re: Fokker D.VII used by the USA after the war. by "Lee M." 3) Re: BIG scale model by "Brad Gossen" 4) Re: Fokker D.VII used by the USA after the war. by "Ross Moorhouse" 5) Re: ICM by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 6) RE: MAC Phonix DI (was ARRRGH) by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 7) Re: ICM by "Ross Moorhouse" 8) RE: Streakiy dope WAS: New additions to the Site and Shane' by KnnthS@aol.com 9) Re: Junkers J10/CL.1 by "ibs4421" 10) RE: Streakiy dope WAS: New additions to the Site and Sh by Shane Weier 11) Re: Junkers J10/CL.1 by Shane Weier 12) Re: Dont you hate it when.. by Matt Bittner 13) Windsock Datafile 17, LVG C.VI by CoolSpadLuke@aol.com 14) Re: ICM by Matt Bittner 15) Re: ICM by Shane Weier 16) Re: BIG scale model by "Bob Pearson" 17) Re: ICM by Matt Bittner 18) Re: Blue Max DH.2 wanted by KarrArt@aol.com 19) Re: ICM by Shane Weier 20) Interesting item on eBay web site item#1685946230: OLD RARETANKS VAC FORM A7U TANK WWI by modelhound@earthlink.net 21) was - Italian Ace Francesco Baracca - Now Spad VII Personal markings by Ray Boorman 22) Re: Windsock Datafile 17, LVG C.VI by "Tom Plesha" 23) Re: was - Italian Ace Francesco Baracca - Now Spad VII Personal by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 24) Re: Blue Max DH.2 wanted by Ray Boorman 25) Re: Blue Max DH.2 wanted by Ray Boorman 26) Books by that *other* David Fletcher by "Bob Pearson" 27) Re: Blue Max DH.2 wanted by "Bob Pearson" 28) RE: OT reads by Rory Goodwin ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 12:51:58 +1100 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: MAC Phonix DI (was ARRRGH) Message-ID: <3C3A50BE.EEAA1B5B@tac.com.au> Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au wrote: > > Forgive the ignorance...but whats HSP? Hi Neil, HSP = heat stretched sprue or just plain stretched sprue ;-) StY ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 19:50:32 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Fokker D.VII used by the USA after the war. Message-ID: <3C3A5068.30AA6C40@x25.net> If you can't shoot it down you sneak up behind it and put the cane around one of the left wing struts and then throw on the brakes Lee M. Hans Trauner wrote: > > Can someone help me with this > > http://www.norwich.net/~pstrany/ocw/apg/3b32243.jpg notice the extra long > > thing attached to the struts. What is it? > > Soemthing they want to keep outside the wing turbolences? Speed > measurements? > > H. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:55:12 -0800 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: BIG scale model Message-ID: <007901c19800$a8205e00$f9e3fea9@bradgossen> At least do something with the right number of wings. Whenever I think of Rupert I think, STRANREAR! Do an F.2a, tell 'em it's a Stranraer, they'll never know the difference. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Pearson" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 7:29 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: BIG scale model > Actually it will be something relevant to the area .. they are talking > Canso. . so I'm hoping I can talk them down to a reasonable size and scale > up the balsa kit as a basis. > > However the Douglas World Cruisers stopped off here .. and Seattle crashed > . so perhaps that could be a possibility. . or a DC3 .. or .. in any case I > talk to them on thursday and go across the harbour to the airport > > Bob > ---------- > >From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au > > > > It'll probably be a Nieuport...(damm! once again in the wrong scale.....) > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:57:06 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Fokker D.VII used by the USA after the war. Message-ID: <020e01c197e7$c6416aa0$3b482dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> Or it was meant to help herd the sheep when the pilot landed.. Well maybe in New Zealand. Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee M." To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 12:51 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Fokker D.VII used by the USA after the war. | If you can't shoot it down you sneak up behind it and put the cane around one of | the left wing struts and then throw on the brakes | | Lee M. | | Hans Trauner wrote: | | > > Can someone help me with this | > > http://www.norwich.net/~pstrany/ocw/apg/3b32243.jpg notice the extra long | > > thing attached to the struts. What is it? | > | > Soemthing they want to keep outside the wing turbolences? Speed | > measurements? | > | > H. | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:59:47 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: ICM Message-ID: Hi Ya Ross and Shane; My kit acquisition gene is twitching....either of you know what he has left in stock? such as big big big OT corregated Russian bombers etc? All the Best Neil E _________________________________________________________________________________ NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication, you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of the Department of Human Services. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of the Department. Except as required by law, the Department does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. If you have received this email in error or have other concerns regarding this transmission, please contact the Department of Human Services System Administrator at Postmaster@dhs.vic.gov.au _________________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:03:07 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: MAC Phonix DI (was ARRRGH) Message-ID: Thank You StY Oh well...I thought it might have been somethiong new and exciting! All the Best Neil E Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au wrote: > > Forgive the ignorance...but whats HSP? Hi Neil, HSP = heat stretched sprue or just plain stretched sprue ;-) StY _________________________________________________________________________________ NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication, you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of the Department of Human Services. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of the Department. Except as required by law, the Department does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. If you have received this email in error or have other concerns regarding this transmission, please contact the Department of Human Services System Administrator at Postmaster@dhs.vic.gov.au _________________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:05:20 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: ICM Message-ID: <021401c197e8$f0b9cd80$3b482dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> I was thinking of the same kit myself... $20 for that much plastic is a steal. ;-) Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 1:02 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: ICM | | Hi Ya Ross and Shane; | | My kit acquisition gene is twitching....either of you know what he has left | in stock? such as big big big OT corregated Russian bombers etc? | | All the Best | | Neil E | | | | ____________________________________________________________________________ _____ | NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication, you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of the Department of Human Services. | | Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of the Department. | | Except as required by law, the Department does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. | | If you have received this email in error or have other concerns regarding this transmission, please contact the Department of Human Services System Administrator at Postmaster@dhs.vic.gov.au | ____________________________________________________________________________ _____ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:10:24 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Streakiy dope WAS: New additions to the Site and Shane' Message-ID: <118.a96ce12.296baf10@aol.com> Shane writes: << Pedro, Warren et al, >> I don't want to sue you but I have one question. I know Pedro and Warren....but..... Who is Al and why did you lapse briefly into French? Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:28:43 -0600 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Re: Junkers J10/CL.1 Message-ID: <00ac01c197ec$31abc020$823dfad1@dwfjv01> Ken sez: > Everyone else is just a tanker. No hold on thar you varmit!! I resemble that remark!! Warren CDAT, Top gun award for company, and battalion, and state in 1994 C Co., 2/123rd Armor, 35th Division ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:28:09 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Streakiy dope WAS: New additions to the Site and Sh Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD9CE@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Ken > << Pedro, Warren et al, >> > > I don't want to sue you but I have one question. > I know Pedro and Warren....but..... > Who is Al and why did you lapse briefly into French? He's the listmaster, and I used French to appease his assistant, Monsieur Nungbittner Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:31:22 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Junkers J10/CL.1 Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD9CF@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Ken, > << "I asked my wife if I die and she remarries will she give my model > airplane > kits to the new husband. She replied that he likes tanks..." >> > > And there you have it: WW1 modeller's are craftwpeople with > poet's hearts. > Everyone else is just a tanker. Mind your spelling mate. Somehow you used a "t" instead of a "w" Unless you reckon the two words are synonymous........ Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 20:29:57 -0600 From: Matt Bittner To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Dont you hate it when.. Message-ID: <3C3A59A5.9060200@sprintmail.com> ot811 wrote: >your tweezers get magnetized, and the PE is made of steel. > I had this happen in a way, too. However, I was using "regular", steel wire instead of stainless steel for my rigging. Talk about a nightmare! Haven't had that problem, though, since switching to Small Parts' stainless steel wire. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 22:02:01 EST From: CoolSpadLuke@aol.com To: Subject: Windsock Datafile 17, LVG C.VI Message-ID: <6b.208b84c3.296bbb2a@aol.com> I am unable to find the dimensions of the LVG C.VI in the subject DF. Am I going blind faster than I thought or just can't read? Most DFs have the dimensions on/near the last page of the book, a few include them in the drawings. I find it hard to believe that Albatros would publish a DF without such basic data as dimensions. I would appreciate someone pointing out my error. I don't need the dimensions from another source. I'm just accumulating them from the datafiles for the OT aircraft dimension databank. TIA, Mike Kavanaugh ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 21:04:07 -0600 From: Matt Bittner To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: ICM Message-ID: <3C3A61A7.9040706@sprintmail.com> Shane Weier wrote: >Hi all, > >Word from Earl at NKR (who deals with them all the time) is that ICM is out >of business. > >Probably true, and not just yet another rumour. > >Bugger. It's always bad to lose a model company, especially one that took a >few risks to produce something new. I guess the moulds will find a new >owner, but there won't be any new ones > Man, that is really disappointing. ICM has *the best* I-16 out in any scale. Now I need to stock up... Well, hopefully Eastern Express will pick up the molds at least. Cripes, thanks for the bad news, Shane. As if you weren't bad enough... :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:13:09 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: ICM Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD9D5@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Matt > Cripes, thanks for the bad news, Shane. As if you weren't > bad enough... :-) Parfois, je suis désolé de pouvoir aider Monsieur Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. 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Do an F.2a, tell 'em it's a Stranraer, they'll > never know the difference. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 21:22:00 -0600 From: Matt Bittner To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: ICM Message-ID: <3C3A65D8.6040401@sprintmail.com> Shane Weier wrote: >Parfois, je suis désolé de pouvoir aider Monsieur > Gesundheit! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:27:20 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Blue Max DH.2 wanted Message-ID: <15b.6f9ec06.296bc118@aol.com> In a message dated 1/7/02 4:53:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, bucky@tokai.or.jp writes: << btw, has anyone noticed that the panel lines on the Eduard D.II are off (at least according to Ian Stair)? Ditto, in fact, for D.III. Bucky >> Yep. When I converted the Eduard D.III to D.I using the CygResin D.II set, I noticed the panel lines were goofy- not just by staring at Stair, but looking at photos with a squinty pirate-eye. RK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:43:49 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: ICM Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD9D7@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Matt, > > >Parfois, je suis désolé de pouvoir aider Monsieur > > > > Gesundheit! LOL I'm still praying it's a rumour mind you...... I'm rather partial to the kit I'm building and would like to acquire a quite a few of the maligned 1/48 British fighter kit for future reference Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. 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On the port side is the "Cavallino Rampante" (sp) but the starboard side has a different logo, does anyone know what the significance is and is this accurate?? Just as a trivia question we all know that Ferrari went on to use the prancing horse logo, but what other Italian car company has used this logo.... a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it wrote: >The correct name is: > >FRANCESCO BARACCA > >Thanks for your interest, > >Alberto Casirati ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:07:26 -0500 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: Re: Windsock Datafile 17, LVG C.VI Message-ID: <001e01c197f9$fc1b8f40$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com> Hi Mike- I took a look at the DF and "no there are no dimensions in the back" they do show a scale on the drawings. HTH Later Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 10:03 PM Subject: [WWI] Windsock Datafile 17, LVG C.VI > I am unable to find the dimensions of the LVG C.VI in the subject DF. Am I going blind faster than I thought or just can't read? Most DFs have the dimensions on/near the last page of the book, a few include them in the drawings. I find it hard to believe that Albatros would publish a DF without such basic data as dimensions. I would appreciate someone pointing out my error. > > I don't need the dimensions from another source. I'm just accumulating them from the datafiles for the OT aircraft dimension databank. > > TIA, > Mike Kavanaugh > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 12:42:08 +0800 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: was - Italian Ace Francesco Baracca - Now Spad VII Personal Message-ID: <00e601c197fe$d4ad5060$236e160a@CSP00> Ray, that's the Griffon of the 91a Squadriligia, and yes, it's correct, as the plane still exists and can be seen in Lugo di Romagno. Look at http://www.racine.ra.it/lugo/baracca/inglese.htm for details... Volker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Boorman" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 12:02 PM Subject: [WWI] was - Italian Ace Francesco Baracca - Now Spad VII Personal markings > Ospreys Spad VII aces book has a port and starboard profile for > Francesco Baracca's Spad VII. On the port side is the "Cavallino > Rampante" (sp) but the starboard side has a different logo, does > anyone know what the significance is and is this accurate?? > > Just as a trivia question we all know that Ferrari went on to use the > prancing horse logo, but what other Italian car company has used this > logo.... > > a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it wrote: > >The correct name is: > > > >FRANCESCO BARACCA > > > >Thanks for your interest, > > > >Alberto Casirati > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:09:08 -0800 From: Ray Boorman To: Subject: Re: Blue Max DH.2 wanted Message-ID: <20020108041203.DUUH11412.priv-edtnes04-hme0.telusplanet.net@ray> Bucky, I have a BlueMax DH2 that I might be willing to trade. Regards Ray Boorman On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:53:19 -0500 (EST), Mordecai Sheftall wrote: >Building the Alb D.II has got me hankering to do Lanoe Hawker's >DH.2. Don't >feel like dealing with the Smer, and don't mind spending for the BM >kit. >Anyone who can help, please contact me offlist. I'm willing to trade >or pay >cold hard moolah. > >btw, has anyone noticed that the panel lines on the Eduard D.II are >off (at >least according to Ian Stair)? Ditto, in fact, for D.III. > >Bucky > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:09:51 -0800 From: Ray Boorman To: Subject: Re: Blue Max DH.2 wanted Message-ID: <20020108041246.VNGV16355.priv-edtnes09-hme0.telusplanet.net@ray> Oops the previous email was meant to go to Bucky directly sorry about that ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 20:20:38 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: ww1 mailing list Subject: Books by that *other* David Fletcher Message-ID: <101046367501@smtp.vphos.net> Hi All, Lately I have been seeing ads for a new book on WWI British armour by David Fletcher. It is titled something like British Tanks 1915-1918 .. is this an all new volume or a rehashing of his earlier volume which I also forget the title of (its boxed up right now). Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 17:03:53 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Blue Max DH.2 wanted Message-ID: <101045194601@smtp.vphos.net> Which Stair drawings are they compared to? He has revised it a couple of times. Bob > btw, has anyone noticed that the panel lines on the Eduard D.II are off (at > least according to Ian Stair)? Ditto, in fact, for D.III. > > Bucky > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 20:34:33 -0800 From: Rory Goodwin To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: OT reads Message-ID: <3C3A76D8.5F459185@earthlink.net> I heartily concur with Nigel's review of this book. Required reading if you're building or thinking about building a G.IV or V. You will never again be able to see the squiggly Thames at the beginning of 'Eastenders' without picturing P.u.W. bombs falling... Nigel Rayner wrote: > Peter M asked: > >And has anyone else read "In the Teeth of the Wind"? (and does anyone else > wish Baumgartner had >edited Bartlett's diaries, too?) > > Just finished it. It is perhaps a little repetitive, being a diary, but it > is fascinating nonetheless. What struck me is the number of casualties from > bad landings/crashes/aircraft failures as opposed to enemy action. Well, it > didn't surprise me as I guess I knew that but it's interesting to read a day > by day account and see it actually happening. Bit of a change from reading > the Goshawk Squadron which I read not long ago and found to be (IMNSHO) > biased, revisionist tosh. > > Another great OT read if anyone is interested is "The Sky On Fire" by > Raymond Fredette. This is a great account of the first battle of Britain > (Gotha and Giant raids) and is well researched and written. It really brings > the events and the people involved to life and I found it to be > "unputdownable" as they say. Even better is his analysis of the outcome of > Germany's strategic bombing in WWI at the end of the book - in simple terms > based on their experience the Germans decided strategic bombing was > ineffective so dropped development of strategic bombers (hence they started > WWII with only twin-engined bombers) while the Brits were so worried about > the impact on the civilian population that they decided strategic bombing > was the way to go and started WWII with Bomber Command ready to go (sort > of). Great book, highly recommended. > > Cheers, > > Nigel R ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4046 **********************