WWI Digest 4043 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: BIG scale model/Sopwith Tripe by Nigel Cheffers-Heard 2) Rigging by "ZELNICK, KENNETH T" 3) Re: ARRRRGH by "Mark Shannon" 4) off for vacations! by "Diego Fernetti" 5) RE: off for vacations! by Crawford Neil 6) R: off for vacations! by "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" 7) More web updates by Allan Wright 8) Re: Paint heft by "Mark Shannon" 9) Italian Ace Francesco by "ZELNICK, KENNETH T" 10) R: Italian Ace Francesco by "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" 11) Re: Italian Ace Francesco by Jan Vihonen 12) Re: decals by "Muth and Zulick" 13) Re: OT Italian site by "Muth and Zulick" 14) by Volker Haeusler 15) ...and a good one: Man at Arms 341 by Volker Haeusler 16) Dont you hate it when.. by "ot811" 17) Are those wings? by Peter Mullin 18) Re: Are those wings? by "Michael Kendix" 19) by Peter Fedders 20) RE: Jacob decals by "Graham Hunter" 21) RE: Inside Eduard ( german text only, sorry) by "Graham Hunter" 22) RE: MAC Phonix DI (was ARRRGH) by "Nigel Rayner" 23) Pitot Tubes by "Lance Krieg" 24) Re: Knockin' on Canvas Falcons by Peter Mullin 25) Re: Knockin' on Canvas Falcons by "Bob Pearson" 26) RE: ARRRRGH by "Hans Trauner" 27) Re: speaking of opening things. by "Hans Trauner" 28) Re: Voss again!!!!! by "Hans Trauner" 29) Re: Hans' Fingerprints by "Hans Trauner" 30) Re: Voss again!!!!! by "Hans Trauner" 31) Re: ARRRRGH by "Hans Trauner" 32) Re: Here are some of my OT items 4 sale on eBay by "Tom Werner Hansen" 33) Junkers J10/CL.1 by "Brent Theobald" 34) Re: Jacob decals by "Rick Milas" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:45:02 +0000 From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: BIG scale model/Sopwith Tripe Message-ID: Don't you mean "crafted"? N > "forced" -- Nigel Cheffers-Heard photography + design tel: +44 (0)1392 87 58 57 fax: +44 (0)1392 87 74 97 mobile: 0771 261 4514 nigelch@cheffers.co.uk www.cheffers.co.uk Laburnums, Bridge Hill Topsham, Exeter EX3 0QQ, UK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:51:41 -0600 From: "ZELNICK, KENNETH T" To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Rigging Message-ID: <15888960D28CD211AD1900105A24907803EC9528@ano-exs02.ano.entergy.com> Nigel wrote: >All that is left is rigging. Here's where I may go wrong. I decided to try >HSP on this one, my first go at rigging with HSP. Could be a big mistake, >but fingers crossed! There are no mistakes in modeling, only lessons learned (some harder than others.) Semper Dicta Ira! Ken Zelnick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 08:08:08 -0600 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: Re: ARRRRGH Message-ID: Es fürchte die Götter Das Menschen geschlecht Sie halten die Herrschaft In ewigen Händen Und können sie brauchen, Wie's ihnen gefällt. -Goethe Mike Kavanaugh wrote: >My sympathies, Pedro. It is almost as if there are modeling gods and they >play with us like puppets, leading us on and at the last minute. . . ZAP!!!! >They are probably still laughing on the modeling Mount Olympus. >Mike Kavanaugh Notice that many before you have felt that way! .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:27:43 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "ww1 list" Subject: off for vacations! Message-ID: <005301c19787$78211e20$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hey friends I'll be out of my usual Email address since today to the next February, off for a few days of vacation and mental rest (perhaps I'll finish some models this time). However I'll check frequently lordfernettix@hotmail.com if anyone wants to write me offlist and of course I'll be monitoring the list threads from the fernetticave. So behave! D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:24:04 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: off for vacations! Message-ID: > So behave! > D. > We won't, but have a nice holiday anyway:-) /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:13:46 +0100 From: "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: R: off for vacations! Message-ID: <43EB244779F3D411966E0060082C59E906F323@SERVER1> Have a nice holiday, Diego ! Alberto -----Messaggio originale----- Da: Diego Fernetti [SMTP:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar] Inviato: lunedi 7 gennaio 2002 15.22 A: Multiple recipients of list Oggetto: [WWI] off for vacations! Hey friends I'll be out of my usual Email address since today to the next February, off for a few days of vacation and mental rest (perhaps I'll finish some models this time). However I'll check frequently lordfernettix@hotmail.com if anyone wants to write me offlist and of course I'll be monitoring the list threads from the fernetticave. So behave! D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:52:09 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: wwi Subject: More web updates Message-ID: <200201071452.JAA09941@mustang.sr.unh.edu> More updates, two beautiful models added: Added a new model to Didier Mario's Central Powers Aircraft Models) page. Added one model to Nigel Rayner's Allied Models page. Enjoy! Allan =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 09:34:25 -0600 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Paint heft Message-ID: Bob Pearson wrote: >When the 94th Aero painted their aircraft in the fancy Showbird schemes >they reported a definite change in the performance of their aircraft. > >Bob That's why I fudged and said 'factory paint.' Those paintjobs on the 94th birds, and probably some of the Jasta personal schemes, were applied for show, were probably a bit thick to cover the camouflage, and were post all factory calculations. However, I do have to back off a bit in what I said - apparently what I was remembering was the solids content for sprayable mixtures. For zinc chromate primer, as distributed in the can, there is about 24% *solvent* in a steel primer, 45% in a non-ferrous primer *solvent* - more is said to cause thickening on storage (i.e., the same effect as trying to save a pre-mixed batch of airbrush-ready paint), etch primers contain 70% isopropyl alcohol/butanol solvent (two component mixtures). Wood and oil paints are more complex, because they are using things like Tung Oil - which has a volatile and a non-volatile component. and aluminum paint for wood would have 19% aluminum paste (with some solvent in the paste, 8% naphtha solvent, 72.8% medium (60% 'solids', and .2 % cobalt drier (6% solvent). About 35% total solvent. It appears that, for most paints 'in the can' we are talking about roughly 35-45% strictly volatile solvents, plus a few components that outgas as the paint dries and cures. Unfortunately, the book I have gives dopes and other nitrocellulose paints a bit of a short shrift because they are no longer used much except in certain furniture lacquers. However, cellulose nitrate is not allowed to dry any farther than 30% water in manufacturing. It appears that in formulation the amount of cellulose nitrate is not more than 10% of the total mixture. Cellulose acetate runs about 16.6% in formulations, with total volatile solvents somewhere around 66% or more. So, I was right in terms of dopes and sprayable paints, wrong in terms of brush paints. A brush-painted finish could add quite a few pounds and possibly as much a 75% of the total weight applied of the paint left on the plane - this can get heavy. No wonder there were all kinds of discussions about national markings on the ailerons and rebalancing time. Then there was also the well know ot case of the Mos****o NF II all-black scheme taking 20 mph off of the plane's top speed. .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:58:46 -0600 From: "ZELNICK, KENNETH T" To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Italian Ace Francesco Message-ID: <15888960D28CD211AD1900105A24907803EC952C@ano-exs02.ano.entergy.com> I've seen two spellings of his name -- Baracca and Barraca. Anyone know which is correct? TIA, Ken Zelnick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:01:03 +0100 From: "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: R: Italian Ace Francesco Message-ID: <43EB244779F3D411966E0060082C59E906F328@SERVER1> The correct name is: FRANCESCO BARACCA Thanks for your interest, Alberto Casirati -----Messaggio originale----- Da: ZELNICK, KENNETH T [SMTP:KZELNIC@entergy.com] Inviato: lunedi 7 gennaio 2002 17.10 A: Multiple recipients of list Oggetto: [WWI] Italian Ace Francesco I've seen two spellings of his name -- Baracca and Barraca. Anyone know which is correct? TIA, Ken Zelnick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 18:14:40 +0200 From: Jan Vihonen To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Italian Ace Francesco Message-ID: <3C39C970.824A2194@helsinki.fi> Ken, Correct form is Baracca. Jan > I've seen two spellings of his name -- Baracca and Barraca. Anyone know > which is correct? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:32:36 -0500 From: "Muth and Zulick" To: Subject: Re: decals Message-ID: <000c01c19798$eaa52840$0100005a@ptd.net> Well, if inspiration is still striking you, how about a sheet with RFC/RAF presentation aircraft markings? Either scale and you could include multiple airplanes. Just a thought. Mike Muth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Pearson" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday,January 04,2002 5:45 PM Subject: [WWI] decals > Hi all, > > I feel inspired right now, so I am wondering would people rather choose > individual markings or buy sets of a theme .. ie USAS squadron insignias, > Jasta 15 etc etc ... > > Regards, > Bob > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:43:46 -0500 From: "Muth and Zulick" To: Subject: Re: OT Italian site Message-ID: <002501c1979a$79eb3520$0100005a@ptd.net> Great Nieuport photos. I hadn't seen them before, either. Mike Muth ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday,January 05,2002 10:57 AM Subject: [WWI] OT Italian site > Lots of OT Italian piccies at: > > http://digilander.iol.it/dbmontello/alifoto.html > > Some splendid Voisin an Nieuport shots that I at least have never seen before > > cheers > > Peter L > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 19:17:42 +0800 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Message-ID: Having finally finished the unpacking from the trip to Oz, here´s some comment on a book I found and (unfrotunately) bought during that trip: The latest in the Osprey "Aircraft of the Aces" series OT books deals with "British and Empire Aces of WW I". WHile the NieuprotDr I, SPAD VII and ALbatros Aces book are all equally good and the American Aces on WW I book at least offers some colorful and not so well known markings, I was truly dissapointed from this book (and I think Shane, whom I showed the book, felt similar): First, while it´s titled *Aircraft* of the Aces, there seem to be more photos (many of the formal variety) of the aces themselves. Second, the choice of subject for the 36 color profiles is rather strange: 6 Ni 17 (and later models), but no early Nieuports. Equally 6 SPAD VII´s (hardly a typical RFC/RAF aircraft, even though Matt and maybe Neil might have a different opinion). The rest´s mainly SE 5 A´s (most of them well known), with a rather generic HAwker DH 2, a Ball Bristol Scout, a (unknown to me and for me the best part of the book) DH 5 flown by Woolet, 3 each Camels and Dolphins, and only a single F 2B (the well known McKeever a/c). Add to this a Snipe or two, and that´s it... All in all a book that obviously rushed out for some additional Christmas sales, making use of some left over SPAD VII and Nieuport profiles. My advice: Have a close look on that one before you buy it - It´s hardly worth the money. That´s something that (IMHO) is totally different for the second Osprey Book I got... Volker ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 19:23:25 +0800 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: ...and a good one: Man at Arms 341 Message-ID: Now this is an older book (done in 2000), so it might have been discussed already (actually, as I only joined the list in late 2000, I don´t know). But it´s a great little book: OSprey Men-At-Arms 341, British Airforces 1914-1918, Pt. 1. The book mainly deaals with the uniforms and general clothes worn by RFC/RAF/RNAAAS personnell in14/18. Lots of photographs and around 25 color drawings of typical uniforms etc. Up til now, my main source for RFC uniforms were the few drawings in the old Osprey Airwar series, but this stuff is really so much superior. In my opinion this book is indeispensable if you wan to build a diorama of British aircraft. HIGHLY recommended. Volker ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:42:50 -0500 From: "ot811" To: "wwi-list" Subject: Dont you hate it when.. Message-ID: <00c601c197a2$bebdf220$0800010a@cyberelan.com> your tweezers get magnetized, and the PE is made of steel. regards SSH ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 12:36:31 -0600 From: Peter Mullin To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Are those wings? Message-ID: <3C39EAAF.6395B012@biocomp.unl.edu> Various thoughts and/or questions: Santa left a few goodies under the tree, including an Airfix SPAD VII: Egad! Is there any hope for this one? Where do I start - Rosemont wing blanks? I just finished a book that I can unreservedly recommend: "Fritz: The World War One Memoirs of a German Lieutenant" by Fritz Nagel (ed. by Richard Baumgartner). Most of you have probably already read this, but for those who haven't, what are you waiting for? Who, if anyone, was "W.W. Windstaff"? (Besides the only high point in the schreckliche "Canvas Falcons", that is...) Any recommendations on 1:72 decal sets of RFC markings, including the number "7862"? And a word of warning: stay away (far away!) from B.U.M. figures... -- Peter Mullin Still plugging away on the DH.2... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 18:56:01 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Are those wings? Message-ID: >From: Peter Mullin > >Santa left a few goodies under the tree, including an Airfix SPAD VII: >Egad! Is there any hope for this one? Where do I start - Rosemont wing >blanks? Possibly but regardless, I would jetisson the wings. I have frequently been tempted to do that for this kit but wonder whether the effort would be worthwhile given the not-so-great quality of the remaining components of the kit. Perhaps we'll get a decent resin version soon. >Who, if anyone, was "W.W. Windstaff"? (Besides the only high point in >the schreckliche "Canvas Falcons", that is...) Hey, don't knock that book! It may be somewhat "Fanciful" and inaccurate but it helped me endure a boring train ride between DC and New York. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:12:43 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Fedders To: models models Message-ID: I see that Aeroclub is selling a 1/48 AJP Voisin LAS. This is the outfit that makes etched brass kits. Does anyone know anything about this particular kit?? I prefer building two seat recon aircraft. thanks peter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:21:33 -0600 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: RE: Jacob decals Message-ID: <000201c197b0$86515540$770101c0@ghunter> I'd buy this set also. Graham Hi Bob, I don't know if anyone else has expressed an interest in this, but I would be interested in a Josef Jacobs decal sheet containing the Kobes and star for the DII, the white diagonal stripes for the DV and the devil head for the Fokker DVII. Not sure how much this would cost however. Rick Milas ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:24:55 -0600 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: RE: Inside Eduard ( german text only, sorry) Message-ID: <000301c197b0$fd83dc00$770101c0@ghunter> Was that a Sopwith Camel die I saw on the desk ;-) Graham ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:51:01 -0000 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: RE: MAC Phonix DI (was ARRRGH) Message-ID: <000001c197b4$a239f7e0$983bedc1@w1o0t3> Neil kindly wrote: >Couldn't possibly resist going over to the gallery to have a look, but I could only find a nice >Aviatik and a Alb DIII. So I suppose I'll just have to remember this till you post pics of the >Pheonix:-) Thanks for the kind words Neil. I'm afraid I misrepresented myself a bit - I should've said you'll spot it *when* it's posted in the gallery. It still needs that rigging (planned for next weekend), after that pics will be sent. BTW, I applied Uggie pills to this one and it seemed to work. Build time was much quicker than usual and there were no attempted AMS diversions. A lot of fun and it turned out well. Boy o boy I should not have said that as it's not quite finished yet..... >Go for it, HSP is great, keep clear of that monofilament stuff;-) Well, I've rigged all my 1/72 planes with mono so far (a grand total of 5!) and it's worked quite well. However I have had problems cleaning up the exit wounds of the mono. I can never get a nice smooth finish, so the "bumps" tend to show and of course if working with BM or Pegasus you risk destroying that nice rib detail. I've used guitar strings on my (2!) 1/48 kits and that has worked well, no exit wounds to deal with, so I thought I'd try HSP on this one. Hold your breath..... Cheers, Nigel R ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 13:50:51 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Pitot Tubes Message-ID: For some reason, I've been under the impression that the vanes of the British strut-mounted air speed instruments were copper. But all the ones I spotted on the Site were black. Am I delusional. Are these all black? By the bye, there are some very nice photos of the Rotherham pump, for those trying to carve one... check the Camel photos. TIA Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 14:16:49 -0600 From: Peter Mullin To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Knockin' on Canvas Falcons Message-ID: <3C3A0230.C7D059DB@biocomp.unl.edu> Michael Kendix wrote: > Hey, don't knock that book! It may be somewhat "Fanciful" and inaccurate > but it helped me endure a boring train ride between DC and New York. Actually, I loved the "Windstaff" parts, and re-read them avidly...it was just some of the other stuff that I couldn't stomach (especially after finishing Kilduff's excellent treatment of Richthofen). And has anyone else read "In the Teeth of the Wind"? (and does anyone else wish Baumgartner had edited Bartlett's diaries, too?) Peter Mullin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 12:30:36 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Knockin' on Canvas Falcons Message-ID: <101043547301@smtp.vphos.net> Haven't read "In the Teeth of the Wind", but I did read it when it was originally published as "Bomber Pilot 1916-18". I had no problem with his style as it was a diary, and meant for his own memory. Another good one is Fighter Pilot on the Western Front by E D Crundall, who flew with Tripalnes Naval Eight and Camels with 201 Sqns. Bob ---------- >From: Peter Mullin > And has anyone else read "In the > Teeth of the Wind"? (and does anyone else wish Baumgartner had edited > Bartlett's diaries, too?) > > Peter Mullin > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:35:04 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: RE: ARRRRGH Message-ID: <002101c197ba$c9de8800$fe78a8c0@FRITZweb> By the way thanks for the font info in a short while I will be using it to > make serial decals for my Albatros D.II. > > Alvie What font did you select at last? Laserprint on clear decal paper? Hans ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:38:27 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: speaking of opening things. Message-ID: <003b01c197bb$42b4aca0$fe78a8c0@FRITZweb> > > Hans > One thing about DXF that you should be aware of is that it can save in 2D or 3D format. If the file is 3D Corel will have trouble with it. > I haven't loaded Corel 10 yet (it's still sitting on my desk at work) but I would imagine that there would be nothing they could do to change this situation. Hmmm, I'm not very experienced with DXF formats, at least. But Corel 10 asks you before importing, if it is a 3D format or 2D. It's ok for me and I can work with it, a thing you can't do with PDF. H. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:43:50 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Voss again!!!!! Message-ID: <005501c197bc$033c16c0$fe78a8c0@FRITZweb> I will change from The Great DSA to The Infallible DSA...;-) Hans ( Here my excuse: I think DSA has done a lot for solving WWI riddles, really! The modellers and historians of WWI aviation, especially the german aspect, owe him much. I fully appreciate him. But sometimes it sounds a little bit too 'ex-cathedra'....) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 5:26 AM Subject: [WWI] Voss again!!!!! > Boys! > What do you think about it (from Aerodrome forum): > > "The for prototypes, Fok. F.I 100. 102,103/17 were given three coats > of clear dope and the tops of the wings, tailplane and fuselage were > painted with one coat of olive-brown wash in a streaky finish on the > fabric surfaces. The under sides of the wings, tailplane, axle wing, > and fuselage were painted with one coat of sky blue with a coat of > copal varnish over all surfaces for the purpose of water-proofing. > The varnish caused a yellow shift in the sky blue to turquoise. The > Axle wing top surface and all cowlings, engine, side and top panels > were painted a solid olive brown. > The cabane, interplane and tailplane struts, were painted sky blue > and varnished, thus turquoise. The upper wing, fuselage and rudder > crossfields were painted flat white over matte black crosses. The > matte black crosses under the lower wing were painted on the clear > doped cross fields,they were NOT painted white. All markings were > matte black. > Happy New Year, > Dan-San [Abbot] " > > Cheers!!! > G. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:46:44 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Hans' Fingerprints Message-ID: <007101c197bc$6b7a2f60$fe78a8c0@FRITZweb> Epoxy will work well, also. Believe me. H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fraser May" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 5:52 AM Subject: [WWI] Hans' Fingerprints > Hans Writes: > . After removing the film I discovered that the > clear lacquer was dry but not hard...... I can sent it now to the BKA ( > german equivalent of FBI) to show them how to produce definetely unremovable > fingerprints.... > I got a *much* better method involving ultra thin super glue...It puts a new > twist on the saying "there's a little of me in all my models...." Sanding > the thumbprint off the side of my camel - I may need an angle grinder yet. > > Aaaargh indeed > Fraser > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:56:31 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Voss again!!!!! Message-ID: <00a801c197bd$c8c2b060$fe78a8c0@FRITZweb> Good point, Warren. But I think that 'turquoise' effect only comes with time. Copal varnishes became more yellowish within weeks. But it depends on quality of the paint, on how much parts of real Copal were dissolved and how thick the paint was brushed on. I think there were variations. H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ibs4421" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:00 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Voss again!!!!! > > . The under sides of the wings, tailplane, axle wing, > > and fuselage were painted with one coat of sky blue with a coat of > > copal varnish over all surfaces for the purpose of water-proofing. > > The varnish caused a yellow shift in the sky blue to turquoise > > If this is the case, how come all the other German a/c that had sky blue > undersides weren't/aren't listed as having been turquiose also? > > Warren ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:09:13 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: ARRRRGH Message-ID: <00c601c197bf$8f21f6c0$fe78a8c0@FRITZweb> > Es fürchte die Götter > Das Menschen geschlecht > Sie halten die Herrschaft > In ewigen Händen > Und können sie brauchen, > Wie's ihnen gefällt. > > -Goethe For those who don't read Goethe in his original language: Fear the Gods, You, all Mankind, They rule for all times And use their power at their will. Goethe ( from Faust I ??? Fist, the First...) But what does this mean? Fear Revell and Tamiya and IPMS judges? Or, just, don't swear when your Phoenix hits the carpet, as all is caused by fate? All is fate, says Nitzsche. Even when my Cyano glue runs out on Sunday when I have to wait 24 h to get a new one? H. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:36:35 +0100 From: "Tom Werner Hansen" To: Subject: Re: Here are some of my OT items 4 sale on eBay Message-ID: <004f01c197c3$61ce2000$a127d8c1@oemcomputer> Hi Gang. Just placed a bid on e-bay for these two. Any other list members interested, contact me. Tom W > Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:56:54 -0800 > From: "Mike Franklin" > To: > Subject: Here are some of my OT items 4 sale on eBay > Message-ID: <004701c19726$f9c6eec0$9decfc9e@picker> > > Life-Like 1/48 Bristol Boxkite > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1687089927 > > Inpact 1/48 1911 Avro Triplane > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1687088045 > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 21:17:17 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Junkers J10/CL.1 Message-ID: Howdy Gang, Wouldn't it be a great idea for Eric to bring one of these out in 1/48? Think of all the cool areas to detail... cockpit, gunner's postition and bomb bays. Exposed engine... Oh yeah, that would be good stuff... C'mon Eric, this is a lot less demanding than the 1/48 Staaken and Caproni! What other kits are avaiable of this bird? Did Pegasus or Czechmaster ever make one? Later! Brent "I asked my wife if I die and she remarries will she give my model airplane kits to the new husband. She replied that he likes tanks..." _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 15:22:58 -0600 From: "Rick Milas" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Jacob decals Message-ID: Bob, $5-8 would be fine. I noticed that some other folks on the list also expressed an interest in a set like this, with the addition of the DrI devil's head, and markings for a coulple of other aircraft. I'd be willing to pay a bit more for such a complete set. The only thing is that I would need them in 1:48. Sorry that I failed to mention this earlier. Rick Milas >From: "Bob Pearson" >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] Re: Jacob decals >Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:34:22 -0500 (EST) > >It would probably be $5-8 for the set as they will fit within the area >prescribed. The only problem is the stripes .. I need a kit to fit bands >and >stuff to, so if I don't have the kit it is guess work. > >Bob > >---------- > >From: "Rick Milas" > >To: Multiple recipients of list > >Subject: [WWI] Jacob decals > >Date: Sat, Jan 5, 2002, 11:53 am > > > > > Hi Bob, > > I don't know if anyone else has expressed an interest in this, but I >would > > be interested in a Josef Jacobs decal sheet containing the Kobes and >star > > for the DII, the white diagonal stripes for the DV and the devil head >for > > the Fokker DVII. Not sure how much this would cost however. > > Rick Milas > > > >>From: "Bob Pearson" > >>Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > >>To: Multiple recipients of list > >>Subject: [WWI] decals > >>Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:45:42 -0500 (EST) > >> > >>Hi all, > >> > >>I feel inspired right now, so I am wondering would people rather choose > >>individual markings or buy sets of a theme .. ie USAS squadron >insignias, > >>Jasta 15 etc etc ... > >> > >>Regards, > >> Bob > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > http://www.hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4043 **********************