WWI Digest 4040 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: ARRRRGH by "Michael Kendix" 2) Re: ARRRRGH/again by "Tom Plesha" 3) RE: Scale Colour by "Nigel Rayner" 4) RE: ARRRRGH by "Nigel Rayner" 5) Re: ARRRRGH by "Pedro Soares" 6) RE: ARRRRGH by "Pedro Soares" 7) PS.7 update by "Steven Perry" 8) Re: ARRRRGH by "Michael Kendix" 9) FE2b photo by knut.erik.hagen@login-3.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) 10) Re: ARRRRGH by "Pedro Soares" 11) Re: Don't you just love it when you open a new .... by "Pedro Soares" 12) Re: decals by Shane Weier 13) Re: decals by Shane Weier 14) Re: decals by "Pedro Soares" 15) RE: ARRRRGH by Shane Weier 16) Re: Mademoiselle from Armentieres by Shane Weier 17) RE: ARRRRGH by "Dave Burke" 18) RE: ARRRRGH by "Hans Trauner" 19) RE: PS.7 update by Shane Weier 20) congrats by "Mordecai Sheftall" 21) Re: First Grandchild - It's a Boy by "Ross Moorhouse" 22) BIG scale model by "Bob Pearson" 23) Re: ARRRRGH by "Michael and Sharon Alvarado, NSWC" 24) RE: ARRRRGH by "Michael and Sharon Alvarado, NSWC" 25) RE: ARRRRGH by "Michael and Sharon Alvarado, NSWC" 26) Re: ARRRRGH by CoolSpadLuke@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 21:16:03 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: ARRRRGH Message-ID: >From: "Pedro Soares" > >Only one last piece of invisible thread and my beautiful Phönix DI >would >be rigged. Only one... and I let the bastard fall to the >floor.... Pedro: That'd a shame. I like that A-H stuff. What scheme and kit is/was it? Michael _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:29:52 -0500 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: Re: ARRRRGH/again Message-ID: <000901c196f9$47741ea0$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com> Hi Pedro- Sorry to hear this. Be calm. Later Tom Pedro says: > Only one last piece of invisible thread and my beautiful Phönix DI would be > rigged. Only one... and I let the bastard fall to the floor.... > > Top wing off, struts off , wires dangling.... oh.......absolute > disaster..... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:05:40 -0000 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: RE: Scale Colour Message-ID: <000301c196fe$476d75a0$983bedc1@w1o0t3> Tom W wrote: >I was following the thread on scale colours a little while back. Somebody, I think it was Peter >L: said that this debate first came up about 1980. In 1983 Ian Huntley wrote two articles in >Scale Aircraft Modelling about scale colour. Doh! To the Matt B maxim "Have you checked the WWI site" I will now add "Have you checked your own archives." These were posted to the list three or so years ago and I copied them in to my archive. Very interesting reading, well worth taking up Tom on his offer (you can ask me as well/instead if you want). Cheers, Nigel R ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:05:39 -0000 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: RE: ARRRRGH Message-ID: <000201c196fe$46827960$983bedc1@w1o0t3> Pedro wrote: >Only one last piece of invisible thread and my beautiful Phnix DI would be >rigged. Only one... and I let the bastard fall to the floor.... So sorry to hear that Pedro. I hope it's not a curse on Phonix DIs. I have nearly completed mine - it's looking really good, I'm very pleased with the way it turned out. I'm doing the MAC kit in 1/72 BTW. But....I'm just about to start the rigging. Is this the point at which it all goes horribly wrong....? >Top wing off, struts off , wires dangling.... oh.......absolute >disaster..... >Don't think I'll work on it for a good while.... Well, at least that gives me a chance to get mine on the gallery first. But honest, I didn't put a long distance hex on you. If it's beautiful (as you say), it's probably worth another shot. Get some beer from the fridge first (make sure it's not CA) and relax.... Commiserations, Nigel R. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:03:08 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: ARRRRGH Message-ID: <023201c196fd$ecd726e0$0f7316d5@netcabo.pt> Michal, Tom, Thanks guys. I'm cooler now ;-) I let it sit for a while and forgot about it. Then I went downstairs and assessed the damage again: Luckily the cabanes and a couple of wires held on. So I glued the struts again into place. Now I'll have to rig the beast again but it looks feasible. The paint job is slightly marred but I can live with that. The kit is the MAC you reviewd Michael and I'm doing the Skull job. Nasty top wing to put on, isn't it? I had to scratch the struts. Um abraço Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Kendix To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 9:18 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: ARRRRGH > >From: "Pedro Soares" > > > >Only one last piece of invisible thread and my beautiful Phönix DI >would > >be rigged. Only one... and I let the bastard fall to the >floor.... > > Pedro: > > That'd a shame. I like that A-H stuff. What scheme and kit is/was it? > > Michael > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:09:31 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: RE: ARRRRGH Message-ID: <023c01c196fe$d0edf5c0$0f7316d5@netcabo.pt> > > So sorry to hear that Pedro. I hope it's not a curse on Phonix DIs. I have > nearly completed mine - it's looking really good, I'm very pleased with the > way it turned out. I'm doing the MAC kit in 1/72 BTW. But....I'm just about > to start the rigging. Is this the point at which it all goes horribly > wrong....? > Yes. Take care Nigel, do not, I repeat, do not let your model fall from the bench, it might not withstand the shock :-) BTW how did you glue the top wing in place? I had a lot of trouble with it and had to scratch new struts. Also the cabanes, as Michael had said in IM would not fit but I used them after cuting quite a bit from the vertical members. > > >Top wing off, struts off , wires dangling.... oh.......absolute > >disaster..... > >Don't think I'll work on it for a good while.... > > Well, at least that gives me a chance to get mine on the gallery first. But > honest, I didn't put a long distance hex on you. If it's beautiful (as you > say), it's probably worth another shot. Get some beer from the fridge first > (make sure it's not CA) and relax.... > > Commiserations, Thanks, and good luck, pal. Pedro > > Nigel R. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:18:15 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: PS.7 update Message-ID: <005f01c19700$0989bb20$61e82341@tampabay.rr.com> I added a section on the U/C struts and one on cutting & posing ailerons. http://home.tampabay.rr.com/sperry03/ps7.htm sp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 22:22:21 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: ARRRRGH Message-ID: >From: "Pedro Soares" >Luckily the cabanes and a couple of wires held on. So I glued the >struts >again into place. Now I'll have to rig the beast >again but it looks feasible. The paint job is slightly marred but I >can >live with that. > >The kit is the MAC you reviewd Michael and I'm doing the Skull job. >Nasty >top wing to put on, isn't it? I had to scratch the struts. Pedro: If you did the splotching effect for the paint job, you can cover that up. The cabanes don't fit if you mount the top wing using the interplane struts first - and vice versa. So, if you insist on using the cabanes to mount the top wing, you'll end up scratching interplane struts. I had to scratch the cabanes. Also, mounting using the cabanes is more difficult because those 6 intake pipes on the engine's side are in the way. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:29:35 +0100 (CET) From: knut.erik.hagen@login-3.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: FE2b photo Message-ID: <20020106222935.A52EB342DB@login-3.eunet.no> Hei, Seems like you are gathering info on the FE2b, have you by chance found a photo of A5586 of 101 Sqn? Norwegian adventurer/pilot Tryggve Gran was shot down in it early Dec 1917, and I am trying to find a picture that shows how it was marked. Eders Knut Erik >Hi all, > I have a scan of a poor quality photos of a FE2.b, the subject I am >modelling. I need help deciding the actual colours and markings. I know >there are many members of the list who are expert and experienced at >squeezing colour out of black-and-white. > If you are willing to take a shot at it, please drop me a note off-list >and I will send the jpeg (175kb) to you. > The photos come from Stewart Taylor via Bob Pearson. >Thanks in advance >SSH > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:34:01 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: ARRRRGH Message-ID: <025a01c19702$3d444e60$0f7316d5@netcabo.pt> ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Kendix To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 10:25 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: ARRRRGH > >From: "Pedro Soares" > >Luckily the cabanes and a couple of wires held on. So I glued the >struts > >again into place. Now I'll have to rig the beast > >again but it looks feasible. The paint job is slightly marred but I >can > >live with that. > > > >The kit is the MAC you reviewd Michael and I'm doing the Skull job. >Nasty > >top wing to put on, isn't it? I had to scratch the struts. > > Pedro: > > If you did the splotching effect for the paint job, you can cover that up. Problem is on the underside of the top wing. No way to hide the glue damage there. On the upper surface of the lower wing, as you say, I'm counting on the splotches to hide it.... Thanks Pedro > The cabanes don't fit if you mount the top wing using the interplane struts > first - and vice versa. So, if you insist on using the cabanes to mount the > top wing, you'll end up scratching interplane struts. I had to scratch the > cabanes. Also, mounting using the cabanes is more difficult because those 6 > intake pipes on the engine's side are in the way. > > Michael > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:49:03 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: Don't you just love it when you open a new .... Message-ID: <028501c19704$56ba5540$0f7316d5@netcabo.pt> Funny you mention this Nigel, CA I use comes from the "lojas dos 300" (300 escudos shop, now probably to be called 1,5 Shop, due to the recent conversion to the Euro) but my blisters only have 6 tubes. The one I use comes in a yellow tube. I once tried another brand that came in a red tube but it was dry. Pedro > If you live in the UK, try going to your local Poundland. They sell > TWELVE tubes complete with pins on a card for a pound! I haven't had > a duff one yet, and it lasts very well if you keep it in the fridge. > At that price, you can afford to throw a tube away as soon as the > spout gets yukky.... > N > -- > Nigel Cheffers-Heard > photography + design > > tel: +44 (0)1392 87 58 57 > fax: +44 (0)1392 87 74 97 > mobile: 0771 261 4514 > nigelch@cheffers.co.uk > www.cheffers.co.uk > > Laburnums, Bridge Hill > Topsham, Exeter EX3 0QQ, UK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:50:36 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: decals Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD9A4@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Gaston, > Even the > Brits accept Euros, except but for the old hag on their > throne who refuses to progress. Will you never learn? Danmmit, I have my first listee member of the plonkers club Shane > ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:54:54 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: decals Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD9A5@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Len, > I see from other Listee's postings that the Lout from > Luxembourg has again > been causing trouble. One similar type was banned from the > List, perhaps > the management is too tolerant now. It does not matter as > far as I am > concerned, his infantile babblings are treated in the same > way as Chinese spam and deleted unread. That's my solution - and my email reader is doing it automatically Shane > ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:08:09 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: decals Message-ID: <029d01c19707$02091740$0f7316d5@netcabo.pt> > > That's my solution - and my email reader is doing it automatically > > Shane Mine has been doing that since a long time ago. Some people never really learn Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:53:27 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: ARRRRGH Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD9AB@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Pedro, > Only one last piece of invisible thread and my beautiful > Phönix DI would be > rigged. Only one... and I let the bastard fall to the floor.... > > Top wing off, struts off , wires dangling.... oh.......absolute > disaster..... > Don't think I'll work on it for a good while.... Ooooh. I did that to an LVG a few years back. Worked through all that night rebuilding it for the contest the following day. It did well, but wasn't worth the exhaustion given I spent several days in the ICU just afterwards. > I really hate it when this happens! Me too - and it's worse when it happens to another listee, becaus eyou get to feel the pain AND think - I may be next ;-) Chin up matey. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:54:28 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Mademoiselle from Armentieres Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD9AC@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Lee, > The other name for the Madamoiselle tune is "Hinky Dinky Parley Vous" ..... or in Australia "Inkey Pinkey Parlez Vous" Shane > ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:08:33 -0600 From: "Dave Burke" To: Subject: RE: ARRRRGH Message-ID: <005701c1970f$7335e4e0$79101a3f@s0024008072> Yeah, it's a drag when you get around to finishing a model and it commits sepuku via gravity. BUT - it's alot easier to put back together than the real thing!! Chin up: I'm sure that it will be fine! DB ...who today held his new nephew for the first time and remarked that he was nervous because dropped models can be CA'ed back together - dropped babies is another matter... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 01:04:48 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: RE: ARRRRGH Message-ID: <003d01c1970e$ebe56420$b5a272d4@FRITZweb> Pedro, I am fully with you. I just had a similiar experience. My Alb DII's fuselage is fully painted with acrylics plus oils. After one week drying for the oils I gave him a coat of Gunze Clear. After two days I used Express masks to mask the cowling plus Parafilm for the rest. After removing the film I discovered that the clear laquer was dry but not hard...... I can sent it now to the BKA ( german equivalent of FBI) to show them how to produce definetely unremovable fingerprints.... Hans ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:28:19 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: PS.7 update Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD9AE@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> SP says: > I added a section on the U/C struts and one on cutting & > posing ailerons. > http://home.tampabay.rr.com/sperry03/ps7.htm ...and in the text he says: >The ailerons were cut out which revealed another disadvantage to a styrene wing core. >A basswood or balsa one would have cut much easier and required less work to dress >the edges. The ends of the cuts were covered with 5 thou card and trimmed and sanded. True of course, but there are advantages too - it's critical with this technique that the cuts be totally sealed or eventually the sellotape will dry out and the wing delaminate. Because a wood core is porous it takes a bit more work to be entirely sure it's sealed. Having said that - I personally prefer to use wood cores (and balsa over bass except for narrow chords) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:43:04 +0900 From: "Mordecai Sheftall" To: Subject: congrats Message-ID: <002f01c19714$5ed8ef60$114f07d3@computer> Congratulations, CoolSpad. I'm sure you'll make a CoolGrandad, as well. Bucky ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:45:21 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: First Grandchild - It's a Boy Message-ID: <004601c19714$96725560$3b482dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> Hey mate, you got a wing man now... He will watch your six for sure. ;-) Cheers Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 3:13 AM Subject: [WWI] First Grandchild - It's a Boy | Let's try this again. I'm just a little excited on this one. | | Daughter Alison just gave birth to a son, Zachary Michael. Both are doing great! | | Sorry gang, but you have just been cut out my will. Got to spend my remaining years grooming the lad into OT modeling so I won't have to worry about what happens to my unbuilt stash when I go to the big hobbyshop in the sky. Now, I've got an even better reason for acquiring more kits, etc. It's not for me, but for him and his future. :-)) | | He's a bit young for handling an X-Acto but, given Eduard's long lead time, I guess I should start lobbying them about some OT snap-tite type kits. | | Proud Grandfather, | Mike Kavanaugh ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 15:17:06 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: ww1 mailing list Subject: BIG scale model Message-ID: <101035905901@smtp.vphos.net> Hi all, I am currently in talks with the local heritage committees to provide something for display at the airport .. the original idea was a series of paintings. However they have nowhere to display them properly, so they have now decided on a model .. so far so good ... Except, I just got off the phone with the chairman of the committee and he was asking where I would build it, as one of the local business men has offered space in an empty building . ....... uhhh, how big are we talking about now thinks I. .. ( I had thought perhaps 3' span) .. oh 20' or so says he. .. GOOD GOD .... The original $400 per painting is obviously out the window now Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 20:27:24 -0500 From: "Michael and Sharon Alvarado, NSWC" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: ARRRRGH Message-ID: <3C38F97B.E61D4B68@verizon.net> Pedro, Don't feel badly my friend. That has happened to me more time than I like to remember. Two years ago I had only acouple more wires to add to an Aerclub RE 8 in 1/48 scale when the upper wing came off in my hand anthe remainder of the model hit the top of my work bench and litterally exploded. I still haven't found all the pieces. Last year (I'm currently only about 15% finished with my first project of 2002) while working on an ot (Classic Airframes Curtiss BF-2C1) between the wars biplane it happened to me twice. The first time after being completely rigged I was assembling the wheels (needing only the installation of the propeller to finish when the landing gear strut which I had epoxied in came loose and the model hit my work bench disintegrating and crushing the cast resin engine. I started to rebuild it after a short period of mourning using an engine from an ot between the wars monoplane (Hobbycraft Boeing P-26 Peashooter) when I managed to spill a half gallon (2 liter) can of lacquer thinner over the model. Not only did the can crush the model but the thinner managed to turn it into a puddle of muish for the most part. However, a new kit and a third attempt managed to succeed. Now I have not only a BF-2C1 but a P-26A added to my small but growing ot between the wars collection. Perseverance, perseverance, perseverance is the key to this hobby. Alvie Pedro Soares wrote: > Only one last piece of invisible thread and my beautiful Phönix DI would be > rigged. Only one... and I let the bastard fall to the floor.... > > Top wing off, struts off , wires dangling.... oh.......absolute > disaster..... > Don't think I'll work on it for a good while.... > > I really hate it when this happens! > > Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 20:30:43 -0500 From: "Michael and Sharon Alvarado, NSWC" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: ARRRRGH Message-ID: <3C38FA42.494761D6@verizon.net> Fortunately God in his wisdom made babies out of rubber so that during their fearless lets learn to walk and talk and get into mischief phase they can survive clumsy parents, relatives and their own rashness. Alvie Dave Burke wrote: > Yeah, it's a drag when you get around to finishing a model and it commits > sepuku via gravity. BUT - it's alot easier to put back together than the > real thing!! > > Chin up: I'm sure that it will be fine! > > DB > > ..who today held his new nephew for the first time and remarked that he was > nervous because dropped models can be CA'ed back together - dropped babies > is another matter... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 20:34:50 -0500 From: "Michael and Sharon Alvarado, NSWC" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: ARRRRGH Message-ID: <3C38FB3A.F981633E@verizon.net> Hans, Its a pain but thats what sandpaper or in the last resort paint stripper is for. By the way thanks for the font info in a short while I will be using it to make serial decals for my Albatros D.II. Alvie Hans Trauner wrote: > Pedro, I am fully with you. > I just had a similiar experience. My Alb DII's fuselage is fully painted > with acrylics plus oils. After one week drying for the oils I gave him a > coat of Gunze Clear. After two days I used Express masks to mask the cowling > plus Parafilm for the rest. After removing the film I discovered that the > clear laquer was dry but not hard...... I can sent it now to the BKA ( > german equivalent of FBI) to show them how to produce definetely unremovable > fingerprints.... > > Hans ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 20:47:51 EST From: CoolSpadLuke@aol.com To: Subject: Re: ARRRRGH Message-ID: My sympathies, Pedro. It is almost as if there are modeling gods and they play with us like puppets, leading us on and at the last minute. . . ZAP!!!! They are probably still laughing on the modeling Mount Olympus. Mike Kavanaugh In a message dated Sun, 6 Jan 2002 3:13:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Pedro Soares" writes: > Only one last piece of invisible thread and my beautiful Phönix DI would be > rigged. Only one... and I let the bastard fall to the floor.... > > Top wing off, struts off , wires dangling.... oh......absolute > disaster..... > Don't think I'll work on it for a good while.... > > I really hate it when this happens! > > Pedro ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4040 **********************