WWI Digest 4036 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) zubS3uANEUfwdoR6ZRtw4CK5 =?big5?Q?=A8=D3=B4N=B0e,=B6R=A6A=B0e,=A8S=A8=D3=A4]=A6=B3=BE=F7=B7|=B0e?= 8rXTIDV56iXYXlXCyAzuHlK3VGI by lgg@cm1.hinet.net 2) Its time the list bought there own plane .. by "Ross Moorhouse" 3) Re: Paint heft by Nigel Cheffers-Heard 4) Problems? by "Magnus" 5) Re: Problems? by "Ross Moorhouse" 6) RE: Problems? by "Gaston Graf" 7) Kool Site by "Neil Eddy" 8) Re: Kool Site by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 9) decals by "Bob Pearson" 10) Re: Slow Boat to Japan by "Diego Fernetti" 11) Re: decals by "Diego Fernetti" 12) Re: Slow Boat to Japan by David Fleming 13) Re: Going Metric by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 14) Books on flying early aircraft, construction, etc by "Charlie and Linda Duckworth" 15) Re: Books on flying early aircraft, construction, etc by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 16) Re: decals by "Michael Kendix" 17) aircraft accident and Euros was RE: Re: Going Metric by "Gaston Graf" 18) Re: Books on flying early aircraft, construction, etc by "Steven Perry" 19) Re: decals by "Michael Kendix" 20) Re: Slow Boat to Japan by "Laskodi" 21) P0GgQDZeTzGgRmEviPM0tm =?big5?Q?=C5w=AA=EF=C1p=A6X=A7=DA=A5q=A6@=B3=D0=A5=AB=B3=F5=B0=D3=BE=F7?= G79JysCO2E8jXsg9lFx by 台灣歡鎂國際股份有限公司 22) OT Italian site by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 23) Re: aircraft accident and Euros was RE: Re: Going Metric by "Brad Gossen" 24) Re: OT Italian site by Nigel Cheffers-Heard 25) Re: Manfred,s silk things by "Hans Trauner" 26) Re: Paint heft by "Hans Trauner" 27) Re: decals by Matt Bittner 28) Re: Manfred,s silk things by "Gaston Graf" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 03:46:08 -0500 (EST) From: lgg@cm1.hinet.net To: Tta021 Subject: zubS3uANEUfwdoR6ZRtw4CK5 =?big5?Q?=A8=D3=B4N=B0e,=B6R=A6A=B0e,=A8S=A8=D3=A4]=A6=B3=BE=F7=B7|=B0e?= 8rXTIDV56iXYXlXCyAzuHlK3VGI Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_VbxF7rkIo8OeEGKKyic0HI6b4A3en Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_VbxF7rkIo8OeEGKKyic0HI6b4A3enAA" ------=_NextPart_VbxF7rkIo8OeEGKKyic0HI6b4A3enAA Content-Type: text/html; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 PCEtLSBzYXZlZCBmcm9tIHVybD0oMDAyMilodHRwOi8vaW50ZXJuZXQuZS1tYWlsIC0tPg0KPGh0 bWw+DQo8aGVhZD4NCjxtZXRhIGh0dHAtZXF1aXY9IkNvbnRlbnQtVHlwZSIgY29udGVudD0idGV4 dC9odG1sOyBjaGFyc2V0PWJpZzUiPg0KPHRpdGxlPrlxpGyz+KV8PC90aXRsZT4NCjxtZXRhIG5h bWU9IkdFTkVSQVRPUiIgY29udGVudD0iTWljcm9zb2Z0IEZyb250UGFnZSA0LjAiPg0KPG1ldGEg bmFtZT0iUHJvZ0lkIiBjb250ZW50PSJGcm9udFBhZ2UuRWRpdG9yLkRvY3VtZW50Ij4NCjwvaGVh ZD4NCg0KPGZyYW1lc2V0IGNvbHM9IioiPg0KIDxmcmFtZSBuYW1lPSJtYWluIiBzcmM9Imh0dHA6 Ly93d3cua2gtd2F0Y2guY29tLnR3L3Nob3AxMDYvRS1NYWlsL7lxpGyz+DQuaHRtIj4NCiA8bm9m cmFtZXM+DQoNCiA8Ym9keT4NCiA8cD4NCiCmubr0rbaoz6XOrtisWyym/axPsXqqusJzxP2+uajD pKOk5LSpLjwvcD4NCiA8L2JvZHk+DQogPC9ub2ZyYW1lcz4NCjwvZnJhbWVzZXQ+DQo8L2h0bWw+ ------=_NextPart_VbxF7rkIo8OeEGKKyic0HI6b4A3enAA-- ------=_NextPart_VbxF7rkIo8OeEGKKyic0HI6b4A3en-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 20:02:17 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Its time the list bought there own plane .. Message-ID: <001b01c195c7$acee1840$3b482dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> Lets pass the hat around and come up with $1.6 million for this "orginal" Camel http://www.vintageaviation.net/Original%20Sopwith%20Camel.htm Cheers Ross ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 08:48:11 +0000 From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Paint heft Message-ID: Wow, that was a really comprehensive reply...however, as we say here... > >While WWI aircraft had little weight tolerance, I don't think there >was a major factor from the factory paint on a Fokker design. Now, >the weight of a solid paintjob on a HP, Zeppelin or Gotha could be >an entirely different story. > The weight of paint on a large aircraft will be much larger, but so will the wing area and therefore the lift. So the relative effect will be the same. It does not necessarily make Fokker a penny-pinching shoddy manufacturer, but it does mean that he applied material tolerances that were too tight for the technology and so the product tolerances ended up loose. > >.Mark. Spot on, I agree entirely, this is pre-Henry Ford in volume and certainly pre-Edwards Deming. In manufacturing terms these people were the resin add-on brigade, rather than the Hasegawas. N ps Now everyone will look at their Crimson LAKE in a new light! -- Nigel Cheffers-Heard photography + design tel: +44 (0)1392 87 58 57 fax: +44 (0)1392 87 74 97 mobile: 0771 261 4514 nigelch@cheffers.co.uk www.cheffers.co.uk Laburnums, Bridge Hill Topsham, Exeter EX3 0QQ, UK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:32:40 +0100 From: "Magnus" To: Subject: Problems? Message-ID: <001101c195cb$eda68ee0$648d42d5@magnus> Is the list down, or am I having some problems? Havn愒 recieved any new messages the last 16 hours or so. Magnus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 20:33:24 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Problems? Message-ID: <002501c195cc$062157c0$3b482dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> List is up .. :) Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Magnus" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 8:30 PM Subject: [WWI] Problems? | Is the list down, or am I having some problems? Havn愒 recieved any new | messages the last 16 hours or so. | | Magnus | | ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:33:49 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Problems? Message-ID: No probs here - got a flood of messages. Gaston Graf www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Magnus > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 10:31 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Problems? > > > Is the list down, or am I having some problems? Havn愒 recieved any new > messages the last 16 hours or so. > > Magnus > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:50:24 +1100 From: "Neil Eddy" To: Subject: Kool Site Message-ID: <000b01c195d6$c80fc060$395432d2@mannock> G'day All Here's an interesting site on Frederick Koolhaven. Its got a good overview and OT content. http://koolhavenplanes.nl/ Click on the Introduction and Bob's your Uncle. All the Best Neil E. (weekend lurk) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 06:06:32 EST From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: Subject: Re: Kool Site Message-ID: <139.742302f.29683839@aol.com> In a message dated Sat, 5 Jan 2002 5:53:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Neil Eddy" writes: > G'day All > > Here's an interesting site on Frederick Koolhaven. Its got a good overview > and OT content. > > http://koolhavenplanes.nl/ > > Click on the Introduction and Bob's your Uncle. > > > All the Best > > Neil E. > (weekend lurk) Butterfingers! :) http://www.koolhovenplanes.nl/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 02:20:33 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: ww1 mailing list Subject: decals Message-ID: <101022605801@smtp.vphos.net> Okay, I've just done an ot sheet for Chris B-R's and my first commercial release, and in the course of doing so I bungled one sheet and used all the leftover space to fill it with various OT USAS insignia. . Therefore I have the following available 2 sets containing 1/72 13th AS (Biddle's SPAD XII) 138th AS Ram in a V 139th AS winged Mercury this is SOOOOOOO Cool 2 sets 1/48 13th AS Biddle 138th AS 139th AS $5 for each set. .. postage included. There are no national markings or aircraft numbers included. Turns out it is harder to find ones I want to see on decals than I thought it would be. But I do see how easy it is to produce them. so future sets with more items on it are definately going to be on the agenda. Contact me offlist if interested in any of these Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 12:29:14 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Slow Boat to Japan Message-ID: Bucky! >Y'all are welcome over here anytime. We just bought a new house, so we've >got plenty of space for guests. Hope you don't mind sleeping in a futon on >the floor, though. Thanks! I wish I could go. No worries for the futon, I just pass with that little brick the japanese use for a pillow. >Schedule for the standard honored modeler guest "five cent tour": >- Visit Tamiya headquarters, "do lunch" with Mr. Tamiya Cool! >- Visit Hasegawa and, yet again, plead in vain for them to bust out the DML >molds and do some new runs of Dr.Is, D.VIIs and D.VIIIs (there are still >plenty of SPADS floating around out there, so we don't need any more of >them) OK, but this time in 1/72! >- Visit the local geisha house Cool! >- Try some "hardcore sushi" (whale anus and sea slug require the most >courage, I suppose) Mmmm... not very encouraging names. Ain't there any "Toad scrotum" or "walrus wort"? >- Visit a "soapland" (I'll explain that off-list to anyone who's >interested) What? Sort of a soap shop? ;-) >- Pack your hungover, thoroughly spent and satiated gaijin ass onto a >bullet >train and send you home Yipeeee! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 12:33:20 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: decals Message-ID: Bob! Stencils, prop logos, instrument faces, strut endplates (like those on the ends of the sopwith triplanes) presentation titles, assorted serial numbers (white, black and outlined) nieuport and spad rudder markings on different styles and last, but not least, correct and solid coloured french cockades. Oh and I forgot: cartoon markings from Italy! D. >From: "Bob Pearson" >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] decals >Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:45:42 -0500 (EST) > >Hi all, > >I feel inspired right now, so I am wondering would people rather choose >individual markings or buy sets of a theme .. ie USAS squadron insignias, >Jasta 15 etc etc ... > >Regards, > Bob _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 12:38:51 +0000 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Slow Boat to Japan Message-ID: <3C36F3DA.CFC336B3@dial.pipex.com> Ross Moorhouse wrote: > Shane, > > If I it isn't the dragon you get to raise my 2 girls.. hehehehehe I am on a > winner now.. > > Ross > Hate to rain on your parade Ross, but both the DVII and the SE5a are listed from Revell Germany as reintroductions (ie rereleases of their previous tooling) rather than Co-op (How they describe 'borrowed' tooling, although actually in most cases all that happens is the mould owner runs off a batch for the customer - that may be what happened with the Hasegawa release), so I think it's a fair bet these are ex-Monogram etc tools, but that said I have been wrong on Revell mould origins before. No other OT releases due, I'm still reeling from the news they are doing an ot 1/72 BV222 flying boat, all 26 inch wingspan of it ! (Oh, and the Matchbox Wellington comes back Michael ) dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 08:47:45 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: Going Metric Message-ID: <00d701c195ef$8eb12160$ae38183f@cyrixp166> In point of fact this accident happend because one team was using the ft-lb-s system whilest another team was using metric. Working in both systems is just asking for trouble. It was a total failure of managment that wasted hundreds of millions of dollars - taxpayer money. If the US is ever to "go metric" it needs to do it like the Europeans have done the Euro. January 1 and it is here to stay. Ther American public should realize it is in its own best economic interest to do this and should quit whinning and get on with it. Sorry for the ot rant. This is a real pet peeve. Regards, Cyg. ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Solinski To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 7:53 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: Going Metric > > > > Shane says: > > > > >Hey - you guys ought to go metric. > > > > > >1 litre water - volume 1000 cubic centimetres - weighs 1 kilogram (and so > > >on, a cubic metre of water weighs 1 tonne) > > > > > >None of them messy decimal thangs...... > > Hey!!! We tried metric! Once in the 70's, and once recently on a probe to > Mars. It didn't work very well and left funny little marks (that I can't > see anymore without my glasses) all over my drafting scales. > Fokker > Sopwith > SPAD etc > TS > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 08:02:52 -0600 From: "Charlie and Linda Duckworth" To: "wwi-faq" Subject: Books on flying early aircraft, construction, etc Message-ID: <003001c195f1$eb8b0ca0$2832b9cc@unionrai> SSH I found by doing a search on the word 'aeroplane' at my main library (St. Louis, Mo) I found 15-25 period books on construction, materials, engines, diagrams on the various parts with descriptions and how to fly the aircraft. These books were published from 1911 to 1925. One was a rigging/parts manual for an AVRO 504K. Many photos, explainations on cockpit instruments, what fabrics to use, woods, metals etc. I can check out many of them but others are in the rare book section that I had to read there (I work across the street so not a big problem). A search at www.abebooks.com on keyword 'aeroplane' comes back with some interesting titles. Here's an example from this morning: SWOFFER, Frank A. LEARNING TO FLY. A course of elementary flying instruction. London, Sir Isaac Pitman & Sons, 1929. First edition. Very good in original cloth. Rubbed. 144pp, 12 full page plates, 40 monochrome illustrations. Flight instruction manual for members of private flying schools, and young RAF pilots. In addition to preliminary ground instruction, the bo ok covers such subjects as spinning, taking off and landing into and across wind, and steep turns with or without engine. Hope this helps, Charlie nb: nothing, just getting over oldest daughter's wedding on 12/28 nu: Something Sopwith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 09:22:36 EST From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: Subject: Re: Books on flying early aircraft, construction, etc Message-ID: <15f.6a22b57.2968662c@aol.com> With you all the way Charlie. Understanding how the machine works is a heck of a big help when trying to figure out the drawings for that long cherrished project. Kermode's "Flight Without Formulae" should be on every modelers bookshelf IMO cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 14:53:15 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: decals Message-ID: >From: "Ross Moorhouse" > >I cant find them listed on any of the major on-line retailers. :-( Ross: As Bob pearson mentioned, an A/G info site is linked to the WW1 Modeling site http://home.sprintmail.com/~tbittners/AG/ This provides an entire description of all the products and links to a summary scan of the sheet with prices and instructions for mailing. Thus, no need to send an SAE to get the catalogue. Note that he requires payment in US$ currency denominated IMO's or checks (cheques), so that can be an inconvenience for overseas folk. Hope this hurts, Michael P.S. Dave, as for that Wellington Matchbox thing, that is the "other" Michael and he has one in fairly good nick - I think! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:54:15 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: aircraft accident and Euros was RE: Re: Going Metric Message-ID: Talking about this reminds me a very interesting movie that I some months ago, based on a real event. The ground crew of a jetliner (maybe a Boeing 767, but can't remember) had some problems with the measure units of the fuel. The aircraft used a different system than the tanker truck if I remember correctly. Fact was, they only had a fragment of the required fuel quantity pumped into the tanks so the cockpit crew had to do an emergency landing at an old closed airfield that was used for oldtimer races as the aircraft came in. Nobody could check the correct fuel level because the fuel level indicator in the cockpit was broken at that time. As for this, the metric system is always easier to handle than a system that uses fragments IMO. And regarding the Euros... Introduction was a real success here in Luxembourg. Is there any European list member who wants to trade a Euro Starter kit from his country against a kit from Luxembourg? I am not a typical coin collector, but I like the new coins. More information about the different Euro coins can be found at the website of the General Bank of Luxembourg www.bcl.lu. It is also available in English. Sorry for the ot content - but at least the Euro is making history ;o). Gaston www.jastaboelcke.de > > > In point of fact this accident happend because one team was using the > ft-lb-s system whilest another team was using metric. Working in both > systems is just asking for trouble. It was a total failure of managment > that wasted hundreds of millions of dollars - taxpayer money. If > the US is > ever to "go metric" it needs to do it like the Europeans have > done the Euro. > January 1 and it is here to stay. Ther American public should > realize it is > in its own best economic interest to do this and should quit whinning and > get on with it. > > Sorry for the ot rant. This is a real pet peeve. > > Regards, > Cyg. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Thomas Solinski > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 7:53 AM > Subject: [WWI] Re: Going Metric > > > > > > > > > Shane says: > > > > > > >Hey - you guys ought to go metric. > > > > > > > >1 litre water - volume 1000 cubic centimetres - weighs 1 > kilogram (and > so > > > >on, a cubic metre of water weighs 1 tonne) > > > > > > > >None of them messy decimal thangs...... > > > > Hey!!! We tried metric! Once in the 70's, and once recently on a probe > to > > Mars. It didn't work very well and left funny little marks > (that I can't > > see anymore without my glasses) all over my drafting scales. > > Fokker > > Sopwith > > SPAD etc > > TS > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:00:18 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Books on flying early aircraft, construction, etc Message-ID: <00b401c195f9$b0c54c40$61e82341@tampabay.rr.com> I've often thought that the riggers, a seperate rating from mechanics, must have had to know a great deal about flying. Just try trimming a flying model. You can't do it without a clear understanding of how airplanes fly. Add to that the mental alacrity needed to visualize the geometry of the structure and align it precisely using plum bobs, steel rules and taught strings from a reference point. Some very exacting work. I've read a few things describing their work and am always on the lookout for more. Some of the titles bandied about in this thread are new to me and I'll add them to the lookout list. Thanks to all who posted them. sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 15:02:51 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: decals Message-ID: Slight correction on the A/G thing: he says he accepts payment in UK Sterling, Deustchmarks and Euros. Obviously, the Deustchmarks no longer apply. The pound, Swedish Krona, Danish Krone are still around. Remaining major European have disappeared into the EU bureaucratic mist. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 07:16:49 -0800 From: "Laskodi" To: "WWI List Post" Subject: Re: Slow Boat to Japan Message-ID: <001101c195fb$ffe34960$163819d0@f4hn201> <<>> The Editor of the magazine distinctly said Fokker D.VII from Dragon and SE5A from the old Aurora molds. I wouldn't care if this rumor is true if it was a reissue of the old Monogram kit! And why yes, it is in the IMPORTANT scale of course! ----------Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:38:33 -0500 (EST) From: 台灣歡鎂國際股份有限公司 To: 香港公司 Subject: P0GgQDZeTzGgRmEviPM0tm =?big5?Q?=C5w=AA=EF=C1p=A6X=A7=DA=A5q=A6@=B3=D0=A5=AB=B3=F5=B0=D3=BE=F7?= G79JysCO2E8jXsg9lFx Message-ID: 我司是台灣專業進出口貿易商 也是產品代理商 年營業額70000000美金 歡迎聯合我司共創市場 請電886-2-86926888-12李總經理 傳真886-2-86926969 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 10:55:34 EST From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: Subject: OT Italian site Message-ID: <162.6a77240.29687bf6@aol.com> Lots of OT Italian piccies at: http://digilander.iol.it/dbmontello/alifoto.html Some splendid Voisin an Nieuport shots that I at least have never seen before cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:09:16 -0800 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: aircraft accident and Euros was RE: Re: Going Metric Message-ID: <005d01c1961c$78989200$f9e3fea9@bradgossen> Gaston That was one of Air Canada's first 767s. The event happened shortly after Canada's conversion to metric. The pilot, a Captain Pearson, dead sticked it onto a go kart track (former airbase) Gimli, Manitoba. The event is refered to in Canadian aviation lore as the "Gimli Glider" incident. Incidently I seem to recall that Captain Pearson retired up the west coast of Canada somewhere to play his guitar and frighten the neighbourhood children by wearing shorts in public, even in January! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gaston Graf" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 6:56 AM Subject: [WWI] aircraft accident and Euros was RE: Re: Going Metric > Talking about this reminds me a very interesting movie that I some months > ago, based on a real event. The ground crew of a jetliner (maybe a Boeing > 767, but can't remember) had some problems with the measure units of the > fuel. The aircraft used a different system than the tanker truck if I > remember correctly. Fact was, they only had a fragment of the required fuel > quantity pumped into the tanks so the cockpit crew had to do an emergency > landing at an old closed airfield that was used for oldtimer races as the > aircraft came in. Nobody could check the correct fuel level because the fuel > level indicator in the cockpit was broken at that time. > > As for this, the metric system is always easier to handle than a system that > uses fragments IMO. > > And regarding the Euros... Introduction was a real success here in > Luxembourg. Is there any European list member who wants to trade a Euro > Starter kit from his country against a kit from Luxembourg? I am not a > typical coin collector, but I like the new coins. More information about the > different Euro coins can be found at the website of the General Bank of > Luxembourg www.bcl.lu. It is also available in English. > > Sorry for the ot content - but at least the Euro is making history ;o). > > Gaston > www.jastaboelcke.de > > > > > > > > In point of fact this accident happend because one team was using the > > ft-lb-s system whilest another team was using metric. Working in both > > systems is just asking for trouble. It was a total failure of managment > > that wasted hundreds of millions of dollars - taxpayer money. If > > the US is > > ever to "go metric" it needs to do it like the Europeans have > > done the Euro. > > January 1 and it is here to stay. Ther American public should > > realize it is > > in its own best economic interest to do this and should quit whinning and > > get on with it. > > > > Sorry for the ot rant. This is a real pet peeve. > > > > Regards, > > Cyg. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Thomas Solinski > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 7:53 AM > > Subject: [WWI] Re: Going Metric > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shane says: > > > > > > > > >Hey - you guys ought to go metric. > > > > > > > > > >1 litre water - volume 1000 cubic centimetres - weighs 1 > > kilogram (and > > so > > > > >on, a cubic metre of water weighs 1 tonne) > > > > > > > > > >None of them messy decimal thangs...... > > > > > > Hey!!! We tried metric! Once in the 70's, and once recently on a probe > > to > > > Mars. It didn't work very well and left funny little marks > > (that I can't > > > see anymore without my glasses) all over my drafting scales. > > > Fokker > > > Sopwith > > > SPAD etc > > > TS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:14:42 +0000 From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: OT Italian site Message-ID: Unfortunately the file sizes are almost as big as a handful of lira... Bravo the Euro AND decimalisation I say! N -- Nigel Cheffers-Heard photography + design tel: +44 (0)1392 87 58 57 fax: +44 (0)1392 87 74 97 mobile: 0771 261 4514 nigelch@cheffers.co.uk www.cheffers.co.uk Laburnums, Bridge Hill Topsham, Exeter EX3 0QQ, UK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:37:49 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Manfred,s silk things Message-ID: <001901c19607$508f7180$63ad72d4@FRITZweb> I always wonder where the story of the silk Fokker came from and what evidence is used. All I know is a photo from the Nowarra collection (sic!) which shows a silky smooth paint job. That's all. Or not? Hans Fraser: Is the tensile strenght high enough in both directions? Ask Bridey or make a test..... BTW, I know that already. I drove a VW Beetle 25 years ago. And when the V-belt tears apart, silk stockings where a very good replacement. You simply had to rip it off... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fraser May" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 6:58 PM Subject: [WWI] Manfred,s silk things > Can't remember who mentioned this one, a bit sharp on the delete button. One > very good reason for using silk, and the reason I used it on the odd R/C > glider. It's strong. Really strong. tensile strength greater than steel. > Bearing in mind 'Reek's' wing rippers. I think you could figure on a rather > tougher wing with silk. Anthony's purse permitting. Now I knew a girl called > Bridey, who always wore, oops sorry ot. :)> > Fraser > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:45:10 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Paint heft Message-ID: <001f01c19608$572f31a0$63ad72d4@FRITZweb> I always thought that Fokker's streaking camouflage was simply effective. It has better camo effect than plain olive and it saves pigments. Bingo. QED. Why got Anthony F. his bad reputation as a 'scroogy' businessman? The streaking camouflage was invented before the first Triplane wings broke due to bad craftmanship. Hans ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 10:43:56 -0600 From: Matt Bittner To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: decals Message-ID: <3C372D4C.9000502@sprintmail.com> Brent Theobald wrote: >My all time big request would be one piece wing lozenge complete with rib >tapes. If no one else does it I think I am going to have to. > I have done this with the Fokker D.VI. It's awesome, and the only way to adhere lozenge decals to a model! However, be aware you want to scan the model you're going to cover to be sure you get the rib tapes in the correct place. Then add about 10% or so to the LE and TE so you get some overlap. All speaking from experience. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:00:24 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: Re: Manfred,s silk things Message-ID: > > > I always wonder where the story of the silk Fokker came from and what > evidence is used. All I know is a photo from the Nowarra collection (sic!) > which shows a silky smooth paint job. That's all. Or not? > A certain time ago I had asked Dan San Abott about the silky MvR Dr.1. He takes said that's complete bullshit... Gaston www.jastaboelcke.de ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4036 **********************