WWI Digest 4033 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Web goodies by "Dave Burke" 2) Re: Web goodies by "ibs4421" 3) Re: Web Goodies by "Mark Shannon" 4) Re: weight by "Lee M." 5) Yet Another Book plea by "ot811" 6) R: Yet Another Book plea by "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" 7) RE: Yet Another Book plea by "Diego Fernetti" 8) RE: Yet Another Book plea by tbittners@sprintmail.com 9) Manfred,s silk things by "Fraser May" 10) Paint heft by "Mark Shannon" 11) lost site by Myles Miller 12) Re: Hippel DVa "blitz" scheme question by Volker Haeusler 13) Re: Yet Another Book plea by "Muth and Zulick" 14) Re: R: Yet Another Book plea by "ot811" 15) Re: R: Yet Another Book plea by "Diego Fernetti" 16) VAMP by Karen Rychlewski 17) Re: Yet Another Book plea by "Brad & Merville" 18) RE: VAMP by "Harris, Mack" 19) RE:Site Updates by "The Rayner Family" 20) e-bay item by "Tom Plesha" 21) Re: boxkite by VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com 22) RE:Site Updates by "Dave Burke" 23) Re: Yet Another Book plea by "Lance Krieg" 24) Wings in the Night - Flying the Caproni Bomber by "Brent Theobald" 25) Re: Those #$%^@# chinese emails we get.. One had a virus in it. by "Gaston Graf" 26) =?big5?Q?=A4@=AD=D3=B1z=A4=A3=AF=E0=A4=A3=A8=EC=AA=BA=A6a=A4=E8?= by lover.cyber 27) Re: Paint heft by "Lee M." 28) How i got the virus via the list ... by "Ross Moorhouse" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:04:27 -0600 From: "Dave Burke" To: Subject: Re: Web goodies Message-ID: <003f01c19542$0018f3e0$6173fea9@s0024008072> Crawford Neil says: > The Gotha looks amazing, all you need now is a decent competition deadline > and you'll get it finished. When you see the next picture of it, you will feel sick to your stomach: the lower wings turned inside-out. They will have to be ripped off and replaced and I haven't had the heart to do it lately. DB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:03:31 -0600 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Re: Web goodies Message-ID: <00af01c19541$bdce20a0$893dfad1@dwfjv01> A snow-bound Auburn student (that's an oxy-moron if there ever was one) sez: " The Profi Nie.11 is a > jewel of a kit and gives you everything you could imagine and more" I have thought of asking for this kit for my birthday. Last night around the dinner table, I mentioned that I might want a Nieuport kit for my b'day, when my son pipes up: "Which one Dad? the 11 or 17?" He's only seven, ya gotta love that kid. I must be doing something right. Warren ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 11:03:00 -0600 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Web Goodies Message-ID: I give up! Heck, I can't even *finish* models anymore, let alone get the beautiful results posted. I think I'll do a 'Calvin' Calvin: 'Hit by AA fire' Hobbs: 'Yeah, a lot of your airplanes have that happen to them....' Of course, in that series, Calvin does end his self criticism with 'But just think how good the next one will be!' Great work, Bucky, Karen (IM article), Gabriele, Jim, David, Steve, and Sanjeev! And an especial great work goes to Chris and Bob, who not only do excellent submissions of their own, but put IM together for us each month! .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 11:09:33 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: weight Message-ID: <3C35E1CD.67D1188B@x25.net> Mainly it is a strange thing, but, people pick up a gallon of paint and realize how heavy it is. When they see it on a house or airplane they underestimate the weight every time. No matter how thin or thick it may be when applied it can't lose much weight versus volume in spite of the drying of the volatile carrier. The gaseous vapors leave by evaporation but not the actual carrier. Never had a chance to actually weigh the stuff before and after but I suspect someone has done it. Maybe we will hear from him, her or them.. Lee M. New Braunfels, Tx D Charles wrote: > > If the carrier weighed a bit more than water the difference would still be > a lot > > more than half a pound... I suspect that the finish on a several layer > paint > > job would be between 14 and 20 pounds or 6 to 9 kilos. > > > > Lee M. > > I did the maths some time ago Lee and I vaguely recall something like 35 > pounds. > I'll have to dig out my research. > > David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:17:14 -0500 From: "ot811" To: "wwi-list" Subject: Yet Another Book plea Message-ID: <038101c19543$ac9afb30$0800010a@cyberelan.com> Being a relative newcomer to WWI aviation, I sometimes feel frustrated by lack of knowledge about the mechanics and technologies of a ww1 era aircraft. Without jeopardizing my retirement fund, I would like to read books that dela with these aspects in some detail. To give you a flavour for what I am seeking, these books should answer questions such as: - what is a drift wire? - cockpit instruments- what are they, on what principle do they operate (science, technology) - what are those various thingies on an aircraft, and what is their purpose? - how do bomb sights work, bomb racks work ? - what is the internal framework of a craft, what material are the members ? - what is the landing speed of a particular craft ? - were landing flaps ever used in ww1 ? Is there A book, or class of publications that would answer such questions? The Datafiles carry lot of detail photos and drawings but leave out the descriptions. Again, thanks in advance SSH ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:17:55 +0100 From: "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: R: Yet Another Book plea Message-ID: <43EB244779F3D411966E0060082C59E906F31F@SERVER1> Wow ! some question....but a very interesting topic. I am not an expert librarian, but I suppose it will be difficult to find one single book containing all those information. More knowleadgeable members will tell us about this. The best suggestion I can give is: subscribe to WW1 Aero. This quarterly publication is published by WW1 Aeroplanes, Inc, a voluntary organization devoted to pioneering machines. Each issue of WW1 Aero (which is about 110 pages thick) is full of technical and historical data. Also, it is VERY useful as a modelling reference, mainly thanks to the amount of detailed drawings, photos and descriptions it usually features. You can join WW1 Aeroplanes by writing at: Leonard E. Opdycke, c/o WW1 Aeroplanes, Inc. 15 Crescent Road Poughkeepsie NY 12601 USA They can send you a sample copy of the magazine for evaluation at a very low price. All the very best, Alberto Casirati -----Messaggio originale----- Da: ot811 [SMTP:ot811@myrealbox.com] Inviato: venerdi 4 gennaio 2002 18.18 A: Multiple recipients of list Oggetto: [WWI] Yet Another Book plea Being a relative newcomer to WWI aviation, I sometimes feel frustrated by lack of knowledge about the mechanics and technologies of a ww1 era aircraft. Without jeopardizing my retirement fund, I would like to read books that dela with these aspects in some detail. To give you a flavour for what I am seeking, these books should answer questions such as: - what is a drift wire? - cockpit instruments- what are they, on what principle do they operate (science, technology) - what are those various thingies on an aircraft, and what is their purpose? - how do bomb sights work, bomb racks work ? - what is the internal framework of a craft, what material are the members ? - what is the landing speed of a particular craft ? - were landing flaps ever used in ww1 ? Is there A book, or class of publications that would answer such questions? The Datafiles carry lot of detail photos and drawings but leave out the descriptions. Again, thanks in advance SSH ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:41:15 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Yet Another Book plea Message-ID: <04cf01c19547$02a578e0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Sanjeev! I guess that you may find all the useful info you are looking for in any pilot student manual, preferably an old manual, and that will make clear many of your questions. They are basic principles and they were taught to pilot students with detail not too many years ago. However on the latest books on flying lessons, I feel that the learning is more directed to the managing of electronic instruments and such. Sad, huh? No wonder many green pilot would get lost following their last generation locating systems but forgetting to look out of their windows... but I digress... You asked: > - what is a drift wire? A wire wich has no definite goals to achieve. > - cockpit instruments- what are they, on what principle do they operate > (science, technology) Instruments to be played in the cokpit. As you may imagine, in open cockpit aircraft, all the instruments are wind instruments. > - what are those various thingies on an aircraft, and what is their purpose? Hmmm, refer to my previous study on thingies, please. > - how do bomb sights work, bomb racks work ? A bomb sight is a device that whenever sees an explosive missile of any kind, informs to the pilot "Hey I see a bomb" Bomb racks, instead, declare "Hey, I rack a bomb" Subtle, huh? > - what is the internal framework of a craft, what material are the members ? The internal framework of a craft is the kind of frames used to hang paintings inside the fuselage. There are some wich are made from wood, some painted with gold paint and some in plastic. It all depends of the decorative tastes of the crew. > - what is the landing speed of a particular craft ? Any speed on wich the aircraft touches the ground. Pilots prefer those speeds where they are able to walk out of the machine unharmed. > - were landing flaps ever used in ww1 ? Yes, but deploying them was so tiresome that many pilots rather took a cup of tea instead. > Again, thanks in advance You know that you can always count on me. D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:42:40 -0500 (EST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Yet Another Book plea Message-ID: <20020104174240.0528446844@eclipse.qis.net> ROTFLMAO!!! D, you are insane. I had to suppress some of the laughter here, otherwise my co-workers would know I'm insane, instead of just thinking it. ;-) Matt Bittner On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:35:12 -0500 (EST), Diego Fernetti wrote: > Sanjeev! > I guess that you may find all the useful info you are looking for in any > pilot student manual, preferably an old manual, and that will make clear > many of your questions. They are basic principles and they were taught to > pilot students with detail not too many years ago. However on the latest > books on flying lessons, I feel that the learning is more directed to the > managing of electronic instruments and such. Sad, huh? No wonder many green > pilot would get lost following their last generation locating systems but > forgetting to look out of their windows... but I digress... > > You asked: > > - what is a drift wire? > > A wire wich has no definite goals to achieve. > > > - cockpit instruments- what are they, on what principle do they operate > > (science, technology) > > Instruments to be played in the cokpit. As you may imagine, in open cockpit > aircraft, all the instruments are wind instruments. > > > - what are those various thingies on an aircraft, and what is their > purpose? > > Hmmm, refer to my previous study on thingies, please. > > > - how do bomb sights work, bomb racks work ? > > A bomb sight is a device that whenever sees an explosive missile of any > kind, informs to the pilot "Hey I see a bomb" Bomb racks, instead, declare > "Hey, I rack a bomb" Subtle, huh? > > > - what is the internal framework of a craft, what material are the members > ? > > The internal framework of a craft is the kind of frames used to hang > paintings inside the fuselage. There are some wich are made from wood, some > painted with gold paint and some in plastic. It all depends of the > decorative tastes of the crew. > > > - what is the landing speed of a particular craft ? > > Any speed on wich the aircraft touches the ground. Pilots prefer those > speeds where they are able to walk out of the machine unharmed. > > > - were landing flaps ever used in ww1 ? > > Yes, but deploying them was so tiresome that many pilots rather took a cup > of tea instead. > > > Again, thanks in advance > > You know that you can always count on me. > D. > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:38:25 +0100 From: "Fraser May" To: Subject: Manfred,s silk things Message-ID: <001501c19549$69d1e880$8e6814d4@m1i9c9> Can't remember who mentioned this one, a bit sharp on the delete button. One very good reason for using silk, and the reason I used it on the odd R/C glider. It's strong. Really strong. tensile strength greater than steel. Bearing in mind 'Reek's' wing rippers. I think you could figure on a rather tougher wing with silk. Anthony's purse permitting. Now I knew a girl called Bridey, who always wore, oops sorry ot. :)> Fraser ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 12:01:15 -0600 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: Paint heft Message-ID: I have to look up some of the formulation information I have. However, what I remember is that paint was about 35% non-volatile max, 65% volatile material, minimum - prior to the more recent low-volatile paints. If it is thinned from that state for application, the non-volatile content of what goes on the object really drops. The percentage is by weight. By volume there is not a lot of material in the solvents. Inorganic pigments have specific gravities ranging from a low of 0.5 for some of the organic molecules to 4.5-9.0 for the inorganic and especially lead based materials. WWI dopes (and I believe most of the current versions) tend to use 'laked' pigments - where they have been precipitated onto something like chalk for handling and formulation purposes. This would put their specific gravity in a range of about 2.70. Lead Yellow (Litharge) would be 9.40 for comparison, white lead 6.46, zinc white 5.65, yellow ochre 2.9-4.0, the Siennas and Umbers (both raw and burnt) around 3.1-3.6, chrome yellow 5.96, and Prussian Blue 1.83. Water is 1.00 (to about three or four decimal places - I won't bring up the temperature sensitive density of water). While WWI aircraft had little weight tolerance, I don't think there was a major factor from the factory paint on a Fokker design. Now, the weight of a solid paintjob on a HP, Zeppelin or Gotha could be an entirely different story. I think Fokker was trying to apply a bit of inventory control manufacturing - and shaving the materials margins to as tight as possible - good business management. The problem he had was with supplier and application quality control - it is hard for a human worker to ensure that they brushed the same pint of dope over the same square footage on every set of parts, even a craftsman. Add to that the difficulties of non-climate controlled work space, material shelf life, and supplier variations, and you have the reports of poor quality doping workmanship. It does not necessarily make Fokker a penny-pinching shoddy manufacturer, but it does mean that he applied material tolerances that were too tight for the technology and so the product tolerances ended up loose. .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 12:08:49 -0800 From: Myles Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: lost site Message-ID: <4.1.20020104120318.00a24bf0@pop.thc.state.tx.us> Hello, Within the past couple of weeks someone posted a link to a German website with several OT models. I remember being impressed with the realism of one of the engines pictured, and would like to view it again. Unfortunately, I didn't bookmark the site. I've searched through the mailing list archives but haven't been able to find the specific message. Does anyone have the URL for this site? Many thanks, Myles p.s. In case anyone is interested, that Lone Star Junkers J.1 went for $72.00 - way out of my league...... I need a new and more lucrative profession............... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 20:37:25 +0800 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Hippel DVa "blitz" scheme question Message-ID: Stefen, " That J5 appears to have re-equipped with Fokker Dr. Is prior to June (see Data File Special, p. 9) is consistent with the proposed chronology. " is actually spot on. Hippel himself stated that he took over a Dr I on May 11, 1918 (a former JaGe I aircraft). These were not remarked, as they were only intended as an interim equipment, pending delivery of D VII´s. I think (nbut have not checked that) this is also telling with what Imrie writes in the Dr I book. Volker ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:40:27 -0500 From: "Muth and Zulick" To: Subject: Re: Yet Another Book plea Message-ID: <002c01c1954f$47f9e900$0100005a@ptd.net> Sanjeev Try the magazine WWI Aero. There should be a link on Al's page. Mike Muth ----- Original Message ----- From: "ot811" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday,January 04,2002 12:18 PM Subject: [WWI] Yet Another Book plea > Being a relative newcomer to WWI aviation, I sometimes feel frustrated by > lack of knowledge about the mechanics and technologies of a ww1 era > aircraft. > Without jeopardizing my retirement fund, I would like to read books that > dela with these aspects in some detail. > To give you a flavour for what I am seeking, these books should answer > questions such as: > - what is a drift wire? > - cockpit instruments- what are they, on what principle do they operate > (science, technology) > - what are those various thingies on an aircraft, and what is their purpose? > - how do bomb sights work, bomb racks work ? > - what is the internal framework of a craft, what material are the members ? > - what is the landing speed of a particular craft ? > - were landing flaps ever used in ww1 ? > > Is there A book, or class of publications that would answer such questions? > The Datafiles carry lot of detail photos and drawings but leave out the > descriptions. > Again, thanks in advance > SSH > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:50:56 -0500 From: "ot811" To: Subject: Re: R: Yet Another Book plea Message-ID: <039d01c19550$cc6a5ed0$0800010a@cyberelan.com> Alberto, Thanks. I already subscribe to WW1 Aero. But that is a little too advanced for what I need. In other words, to appreciate the stuff in WW1 aero, one has to know the basics first. Diego, Diego, Diego! What would I do without you? Luckily in my office, my co-workers are too polite to ask what I am doing, rolling on the floor. I think a students manual is too basic and general in nature. I would need the manuals of a FE2 to learn about the mechanics of the FE2. So, my search continues. regards SSH ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:06:40 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: R: Yet Another Book plea Message-ID: <093101c19552$f19c6520$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Sanjeev! > Luckily in my office, my co-workers are too > polite to ask what I am doing, rolling on the floor. Be thankful then of not working for a tack factory :-) > I think a students manual is too basic and general in nature. I would need > the manuals of a FE2 to learn about the mechanics of the FE2. So, my search > continues. I guess that you won't get nothing as a FE2 manual or similar, as probably no aeroplane of the era would have a companion manual of operation as in later aircraft. Flying was a matter of practice and oral instruction from teacher to pupil. Some good air-related magazines bring modern pilot reports of ancient aircraft and maybe that's the best approximation that we can have of the handling of those machines from a modern perspective. And any modern concious pilot would hesitate before climbing aboard any FE2 or other vintage pusher designs! Dale, would you share any experiences of the FE8 repro with us? That must have been interesting! D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 13:57:46 -0500 From: Karen Rychlewski To: to post Subject: VAMP Message-ID: <3C35FB2A.2E2A17DB@earthlink.net> Does anyone know if Lubos Vinar's new VAMP site is up yet? Dame Karen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:32:44 -0500 From: "Brad & Merville" To: Subject: Re: Yet Another Book plea Message-ID: <003a01c19556$965eb600$efa8fed8@default> Sanjeev Try, British Military Aircraft of World War One - The Official Technical and Rigging Notes for RFC and RNAS Fighting and Training Aeroplanes, 1914-1918. RAF Museum Series volume#4, Arms & Armour Press, 1976. ISBN 0 85368 261 5. These are the original rigging and maintenance notes with extensive diagrams in one bound volume. Not much on instruments but lots on structure and controls. Notes are included for the following types: Avro Biplane A.W. FK3 A.W. FK8 B.E. 12 B.E. 12a B.E. 2c B.E. 2d B.E. 2e Bristol Fighter F.2b Curtiss JN 4 D.H. 4 D.H. 5 D.H. 9 F.E. 2b Martinsyde Scout M.F. Longhorn M.F. Shorthorn Nieuport Scout R.E. 7 R.E. 8 S.E. 5a Sopwith 1/2 Strutter Sopwith 5.F.1 Dolphin Sopwith Pup Sopwith 2.F.1 Camel Sopwith F.1 Camel Sopwith Triplane SPAD S.VII Vickers F.B.9 -----Original Message----- From: ot811 To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Friday, January 04, 2002 12:18 PM Subject: [WWI] Yet Another Book plea >Being a relative newcomer to WWI aviation, I sometimes feel frustrated by >lack of knowledge about the mechanics and technologies of a ww1 era >aircraft. > Without jeopardizing my retirement fund, I would like to read books that >dela with these aspects in some detail. >To give you a flavour for what I am seeking, these books should answer >questions such as: >- what is a drift wire? >- cockpit instruments- what are they, on what principle do they operate >(science, technology) >- what are those various thingies on an aircraft, and what is their purpose? >- how do bomb sights work, bomb racks work ? >- what is the internal framework of a craft, what material are the members ? >- what is the landing speed of a particular craft ? >- were landing flaps ever used in ww1 ? > >Is there A book, or class of publications that would answer such questions? >The Datafiles carry lot of detail photos and drawings but leave out the >descriptions. >Again, thanks in advance >SSH > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:19:04 -0600 From: "Harris, Mack" To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: VAMP Message-ID: No, Lubos sent me an email today saying he was working on it 25 hours a day and it would be up and running very soon. Mack -----Original Message----- From: Karen Rychlewski [mailto:krychski@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:05 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] VAMP Does anyone know if Lubos Vinar's new VAMP site is up yet? Dame Karen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:42:00 -0000 From: "The Rayner Family" To: Subject: RE:Site Updates Message-ID: <000101c19560$42236720$983bedc1@w1o0t3> DB wrote: >It's a piece of steel that I swirled with a brass brush chucked in a drill. >It's going to be cut up and used for covers and clamps on the Triumph >chopper I am building. Aah, I see. That stuff will be be used to build a machine to help you attract the young ladies. Now I understand why the Nieuport sat so well on it - it's a Bebe magnet :-) Sorry, couldn't resist. Cheers, Nigel R ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:56:36 -0500 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: e-bay item Message-ID: <000901c19562$4cdbee60$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com> Hi All- I'd like to bid on the Smithsonian Alb Book if no-one on the list is already bidding on it. Later Tom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:10:14 EST From: VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: boxkite Message-ID: <88.11d151fc.29677436@aol.com> --part1_88.11d151fc.29677436_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/4/2002 11:11:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, MackH@Health.State.OK.US writes: > I call dibs on this boxkite and I also call shotgun but I guess that doesn't > count on here. > Mack > OK Mack, no problem as I have mine already, you wouldn't have any scale drawings for a Boxkite by any chance? I have a half dozen early plane kits but find that references and especially scale drawings for the really early planes are very hard to come by and I am always on the hunt for them. Happy New Year. Best Regards, Jon --part1_88.11d151fc.29677436_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/4/2002 11:11:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, MackH@Health.State.OK.US writes:


I call dibs on this boxkite and I also call shotgun but I guess that doesn't
count on here.
Mack


OK Mack, no problem as I have mine already, you wouldn't have any scale drawings for a Boxkite by any chance? I have a half dozen early plane kits but find that references and especially scale drawings for the really early planes are very hard to come by and I am always on the hunt for them. Happy New Year.

Best Regards,
 Jon 


             

--part1_88.11d151fc.29677436_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:19:30 -0600 From: "Dave Burke" To: Subject: RE:Site Updates Message-ID: <005201c19565$802c31a0$8ca31e3f@s0024008072> > Aah, I see. That stuff will be be used to build a machine to help you > attract the young ladies. Now I understand why the Nieuport sat so well on > it - it's a Bebe magnet :-) > > Sorry, couldn't resist. > > Cheers, > > Nigel R > Boooo..... DB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 15:11:43 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Yet Another Book plea Message-ID: Besides the excellent advice to avail yourself of WWIAero, Iseem to recall "Flying the Old Planes" was a good source of general aviation lore and the peculiarities of early machines. Is this just my fading memory? Can someone confirm? "Flight" reprints (as available from WWIAero) are good overviews of individual machines, too. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 21:30:14 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Wings in the Night - Flying the Caproni Bomber Message-ID: Howdy Gang, There's a reprint of this book over on Ebay from a seller that I know to always have high prices. However, is this a book worth having? Alberto? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1054948602 Thanks! Brent (who's not calling dibs) "...other than that Mrs. Lincoln, what did you think of the play?" _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:49:37 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: Re: Those #$%^@# chinese emails we get.. One had a virus in it. Message-ID: It was not the code that came from the list - it was a message that included a link to a website that used malicious JS code. That was no virus! The difference in security between JavaScript and ActiveX controls is that JavaScript runs in a "sandbox" so it cannot do any harm to your system since it cannot execute programs etc., but with ActiveX controls this is possible so one must be very careful with it. There is no problem to run controls from a trusted website, but an unknown website should never be trusted, especially if it is an Asian one, a Porn site or a Hacker & Cracker site. I know there is a certain tendancy to use pirate software and download a crack to fully use it, but such cracks often contain either a virus or a back orifice program so this too is something one should avoid. It pays to stay honest - and give ones money to those who make their life with their work as software developers. 'nuff said - more about the topic can be found anywhere on the www as well as in various publications Gaston www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of David > Fleming > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 12:53 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: Those #$%^@# chinese emails we get.. One had a virus > in it. > > > Ross, > > > Did the email come from the list ? I ask, because in the past, attachments > and viruses have shown up as character code, rather than viruses, as (I > think) the list is plain text from a Unix server. > > That said, I have had viruses in the CCI digest. > > dave > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:55:20 -0500 (EST) From: lover.cyber To: HKCOMMERCIAL, HK2001-1, HK2001-2, HK2001-3, HK2000-12, HK2000-11, Subject: =?big5?Q?=A4@=AD=D3=B1z=A4=A3=AF=E0=A4=A3=A8=EC=AA=BA=A6a=A4=E8?= Message-ID: http://lovercyber.com/index1.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 16:00:18 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Paint heft Message-ID: <3C3625F2.20ED0485@x25.net> In a few words I do believe that what they did was paint airplanes. When it looked right they probably quit. They may have had a restriction when they reached a certain number of paint tins. Like two gallons per plane. Lee M. New Braunfels, Tx Mark Shannon wrote: > I have to look up some of the formulation information I have. However, what I remember is that paint was about 35% non-volatile max, 65% volatile material, minimum - prior to the more recent low-volatile paints. If it is thinned from that state for application, the non-volatile content of what goes on the object really drops. > > The percentage is by weight. By volume there is not a lot of material in the solvents. Inorganic pigments have specific gravities ranging from a low of 0.5 for some of the organic molecules to 4.5-9.0 for the inorganic and especially lead based materials. WWI dopes (and I believe most of the current versions) tend to use 'laked' pigments - where they have been precipitated onto something like chalk for handling and formulation purposes. This would put their specific gravity in a range of about 2.70. Lead Yellow (Litharge) would be 9.40 for comparison, white lead 6.46, zinc white 5.65, yellow ochre 2.9-4.0, the Siennas and Umbers (both raw and burnt) around 3.1-3.6, chrome yellow 5.96, and Prussian Blue 1.83. Water is 1.00 (to about three or four decimal places - I won't bring up the temperature sensitive density of water). > > While WWI aircraft had little weight tolerance, I don't think there was a major factor from the factory paint on a Fokker design. Now, the weight of a solid paintjob on a HP, Zeppelin or Gotha could be an entirely different story. > > I think Fokker was trying to apply a bit of inventory control manufacturing - and shaving the materials margins to as tight as possible - good business management. The problem he had was with supplier and application quality control - it is hard for a human worker to ensure that they brushed the same pint of dope over the same square footage on every set of parts, even a craftsman. > > Add to that the difficulties of non-climate controlled work space, material shelf life, and supplier variations, and you have the reports of poor quality doping workmanship. It does not necessarily make Fokker a penny-pinching shoddy manufacturer, but it does mean that he applied material tolerances that were too tight for the technology and so the product tolerances ended up loose. > > .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 09:37:12 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: How i got the virus via the list ... Message-ID: <002101c19570$5a8313a0$3b482dcb@nsw.bigpond.net.au> Sorry again that this isn't OT, but I think we can all learn from what I did. Now that I have cooled down about this and have had a good nights sleep I have gone back over how I could of infected my system with this Trojan. I did in fact click on a link in one of those Chinese emails. I wanted to get their email address and tell them to stop spamming us. Well this site is one that is infected with this JS.Exception.Exploit virus. Which isn't an email virus. Symantac have a write up mentions a patch that needs to be loaded: http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/js.exception.exploit.html will show you this info as well The structure of the code is specific and involves the illegal use of the tag. The exploit was published in at least one security forum. More information about this vulnerability is available at Microsoft's Technet site: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/TechNet/security/ bulletin/ms00-075.asp So now I have still got all that garbage in the top bar of my browser but no virus. I have done a full scan on all drives and I did kill it with the first full scan. As to getting rid of that garbage I cant find an answer and may just have to live with it. So when it comes to these Chinese emails don't touch the links in them. I want to know who signed the list up for these. I have a big piece of water pipe with their name on it waiting. Ross ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4033 **********************