WWI Digest 4029 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: R: checking the panoramic view by "Lee M." 2) It's amazing what you find on the web... by "ZELNICK, KENNETH T" 3) Re: Posting announcements of items 4 sale on eBay by "Diego Fernetti" 4) Dimensions. by "Steven Perry" 5) Re: Posting announcements of items 4 sale on eBay by KnnthS@aol.com 6) Re: R: checking the panoramic view by "Lee M." 7) RE: It's amazing what you find on the web... by "Diego Fernetti" 8) Re: R: checking the panoramic view by "Lee M." 9) Re: A.G.Farben by KnnthS@aol.com 10) Re: Planet Resin SPAD XI by "Diego Fernetti" 11) Re: Posting announcements of items 4 sale on eBay by "Lee M." 12) Re: R: checking the panoramic view by "Diego Fernetti" 13) Re: R: checking the panoramic view by "Steven Perry" 14) Spad A.2 Question by "Steven Perry" 15) Re: R: checking the panoramic view by "Lee M." 16) Re: R: checking the panoramic view by "Lee M." 17) Re: R: checking the panoramic view by "Diego Fernetti" 18) RE: Shon Howell -was Data File question - Important by "Gaston Graf" 19) Re: R: checking the panoramic view by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 20) Re: R: checking the panoramic view by "Diego Fernetti" 21) Temp email by "WW1 Giants" 22) Re: Hippel DVa "blitz" scheme question by KarrArt@aol.com 23) Re: wings-now there's a stock growth opportunity by KnnthS@aol.com 24) Re: wings-now there's a stock growth opportunity by "Bob Pearson" 25) Re: Posting announcements of items 4 sale on eBay by "Brent Theobald" 26) Re: Ardpol resins by "Brent Theobald" 27) Re: wings-now there's a stock growth opportunity by KarrArt@aol.com 28) Re: wings-now there's a stock growth opportunity by KarrArt@aol.com 29) Re: P.E ain't for stumpy fat fingers .. by KarrArt@aol.com 30) Re: Posting announcements of items 4 sale on eBay by Myles Miller 31) Web goodies by Allan Wright ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 10:48:51 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: R: checking the panoramic view Message-ID: <3C348B73.19B300E3@x25.net> Please look at the Fokker E-V/D-VIII in the site photo section. this aircraft was finished using Loszenge fabric supplied by the factory that made it in WWI. It certainly shows on the inside. I would suspect that a fabric sprayed or brush painted with a sealer first would show little or no indication of the next paint layer applied to the outside of the plane unless it was brilliantly lit from outside. I have, recent, photos of a JN-4, in flight, with the wings lit by the sun and the brightness comes comes though both upper and lower wing covering showing the ribs inside as silhouettes. The fabric inside the plane cockpit is "off" white in color. Lee M. New braunfels, Tx "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" wrote: > All I can say is that this sounds not strange at all, to me at least. The > R.E.8 at Duxford has a plain (and very light) linen finish on the cockpit > walls' inner sides, but the exteriors are dark green. The outside dark > colour does not seem to have darkened the linen colour inside at all. > Maybe, the streaking is more visible when sunlight hits the fuselage sides > directly.... > This raises another point: did the lozenge covered Fokkers really show > their outside pattern on the inside of the cockpit walls ? If so, was this > the result of the tissue printing technique used ? > > Alberto Casirati > > -----Messaggio originale----- > Da: Diego Fernetti [SMTP:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar] > Inviato: giovedi 3 gennaio 2002 14.26 > A: Multiple recipients of list > Oggetto: [WWI] checking the panoramic view > > Hi > I was checking the "panoramic camera" of the Fokker Dr1 on the Memorial > Flight website and I was surprised to see that the interior of the linen > portion of the cockpit has no traces of bleeding inside of the green > streaks... just the off white linen. Is that repro done with the methods of > the 1914/18 era, right? So I assume that this was typical of all the > fokker-streaked machines. > What do you think? > D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:48:56 -0600 From: "ZELNICK, KENNETH T" To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: It's amazing what you find on the web... Message-ID: <15888960D28CD211AD1900105A24907803EC9522@ano-exs02.ano.entergy.com> Greetings all, I was surfing the web and stumbled on a new suppler for CA glue. it's http://www.evidentcrimescene.com/cata/glue/glue.html and you can get a 1 pound bottle for $58. Should last most of us a couple of months, anyway. Plus, it will make all those latent prints on your models really show up! ;) Happy New Year to all, and special thoughts to Diego and Martin in Argentina, Ken Zelnick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:57:03 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Posting announcements of items 4 sale on eBay Message-ID: <043f01c19477$ab047660$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Dave! The key word on the phrase > > And here I thought we were supposed to help each other out on this list. > > What it sounds like is someone going against the list's "gentlemen" > > agreement. is "gentlemen"... Take in account that Ernest, beloved and generous as he is, is not a gentleman but a Louisiana river pirat. He's a great company to sing in a tavern and drink a big jar of rhum... But he's capable of sinking your ship and cut your throat happily if he knows that you have a treasure. And you know, Heretics have no conscience D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:53:36 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Dimensions. Message-ID: <00d301c19477$3022f160$61e82341@tampabay.rr.com> Well I have had some interest in compiling a list of dimensions, so I will begin collecting them. I have the following references and will glean what I can out of them. If you have other references and are so inclined, I'd like to receive published dimensions from you. FMP French Acft of WWI FMP IRAS Die Flugzeuge der k.u.u. Luftfahrtruppen und Seeflieger 1914 - 1918 Aircraft of the 1914-1918 War (Thetford) German Warbirds (Munson) Janes All the World's Aircraft 1919 Be sure to include the source of the dimensions. Volume & issue of periodicals and ISBN # or title & publisher of referenmce books. Please send any contributions to : sperry03@tampabay.rr.com TIA sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:53:38 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Posting announcements of items 4 sale on eBay Message-ID: <140.7480c61.2965e692@aol.com> DB writes: << - I am resolved to avoid eBay. >> and <> cpl things RE eBay: -use the search engines, be specific, or at least resourceful -establish your own pain thre$hold and don't violate it -use e mail to seller (communicate!) -change the channel when nothings on or it is not a program to your taste I am happy with all but one of 9 aquisitions @ the much maligned 'Bay. The only surcharge I feel above market is postage absorbed by buyer-$6. I could not have obtained these kits otherwise. Am not that well-acquainted with list members to go asking....a gentleman's convo, perhaps, but I figure you are all in the same boat I am and asking you to part with yours is reasonable only if the partners can be found. Possible, but equally obtuse. These 9 acquired took patience and 3 years. Other than fretting Eduard's for my latest (or earlier) obsessions, the time has served well. And I can't scratch bake like the SilverBacks. So. give eBay a try with standards of your own and amended, if not lowered, expectations. Not a kickback in sight- Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 10:55:00 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: R: checking the panoramic view Message-ID: <3C348CE4.F647FDE6@x25.net> This is right on and the way it worked. The fabric is printed in the factory and uses India Ink type colors that soak all the way through the fabric very quickly. It goes past driers and is then rolled onto tubes for storage and later use. A. G. Farben became famous for the colors they made. Color fast and true from batch to batch. Lee M. Steven Perry wrote: > Not strange at all. Several coats of clear dope are applied to the fabric to > thighen and seal it before any color is used. There would be no bleed thru. > Light shined directly on the outside might show shadow effect, but the > fabric is sealed and no pigment would seep thru. As for Loz, that was dyed > and the color went all the way through. the clear dope was put on over this, > so you see the pattern of loz on the inside. > > sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:04:12 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: It's amazing what you find on the web... Message-ID: <045101c19478$aaee12c0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Thanks Ken! I also checked the web site and it's a great place to supply my own CSI officer impersonation. That's great to leave the crime scene without suspicions.... ;-) in other place of the website, there are also "Sharpie" markers reccomneded on the list before as an useful tool to mark datum lines or modify serial numbers. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: ZELNICK, KENNETH T To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 1:50 PM Subject: [WWI] It's amazing what you find on the web... > Greetings all, > > I was surfing the web and stumbled on a new suppler for CA glue. it's > > http://www.evidentcrimescene.com/cata/glue/glue.html > > and you can get a 1 pound bottle for $58. Should last most of us a couple > of months, anyway. Plus, it will make all those latent prints on your > models really show up! ;) > > Happy New Year to all, and special thoughts to Diego and Martin in > Argentina, > > Ken Zelnick > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:03:56 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: R: checking the panoramic view Message-ID: <3C348EFB.8A9B2017@x25.net> An ot response to weight of paint. The Artic Red color applied to the "tail end" of a C-130 weighs about 150-200 pounds. (Or more.) Five gallons weighed close to 50 pounds per bucket. I would suspect that the color applied in WW I would weigh about 5 pounds per gallon, and, maybe a small bit more. Check out the weight of paint in your local Hardware store. Lacquer weighs more than water. It ain't light in weight. I forget "exactly" how much a gallon of water weighs but I seem to recall it is 7 pounds Lee M. Diego Fernetti wrote: > About how much? A half pound on the entire craft? > D. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Crawford Neil > > > Being mean with paint, would save weight too. > > /NeilC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 12:03:06 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: A.G.Farben Message-ID: Lee writes: << Color fast and true from batch to batch. >> Thank you, Lee! That clears up an entire thread of speculation, too, btw. good info Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:10:37 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Planet Resin SPAD XI Message-ID: <047701c19479$90317ac0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Matt > Hmmm...I will have to think about this a bit more. This way, we could work on two of them to be sure that both the 11 and the 16 get kitted. If you can provide me with reliable drawings, I volunteer to do the wings. D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:14:34 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Posting announcements of items 4 sale on eBay Message-ID: <3C34917A.A6137573@x25.net> Ernest Thomas from New Orleans. Lee M. ot811 wrote: > who IS EtH ? If may make so bold? > regards > SSH ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:23:24 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: R: checking the panoramic view Message-ID: <04a301c1947b$59841080$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Lee! Certainly liquid varnish is heavier than water, but also lose some of its weight when dry. How many pounds of varnish would have taken to cover a triplane or a Fokker D.VII? Just a few.... Besides, a well doped airplane must tend to last more and be more "slippery" in the air stream so it's in the interest of the owner that his plane is well finished (I spent countless hours sanding, painting and polishing the wings of my glider before competitons). However, I guess that the savings were for the manufacturers pockets who may have had a lot less to spend on their factories on large batchs of airplanes. I recall that somewhere there was a discussion about a silk covered triplane made specially for MvR... I guess that it was just a regular linen triplane, but artfully covered and doped thickly with rich varnish.. therefore the silky appearance! IMHO D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lee M. To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:05 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: R: checking the panoramic view > An ot response to weight of paint. > > The Artic Red color applied to the "tail end" of a C-130 weighs about > 150-200 pounds. (Or more.) Five gallons weighed close to 50 pounds per > bucket. > > I would suspect that the color applied in WW I would weigh about 5 > pounds per gallon, and, maybe a small bit more. > > Check out the weight of paint in your local Hardware store. Lacquer > weighs more than water. It ain't light in weight. > > I forget "exactly" how much a gallon of water weighs but I seem to > recall it is 7 pounds > > Lee M. > > Diego Fernetti wrote: > > > About how much? A half pound on the entire craft? > > D. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Crawford Neil > > > > > Being mean with paint, would save weight too. > > > /NeilC > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 12:23:45 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: R: checking the panoramic view Message-ID: <00fd01c1947b$662b8160$61e82341@tampabay.rr.com> > > I forget "exactly" how much a gallon of water weighs but I seem to > recall it is 7 pounds > > Lee M. 8.34 #/gal, 7.48 gal/cu.ft. Lee Most important constant used in the turd herding business TSS Conc. in mg/L x 8.34 #/gal x Flow in MG = pounds of doodoo. sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 12:28:32 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Spad A.2 Question Message-ID: <010701c1947c$11224a40$61e82341@tampabay.rr.com> Did the Spad A.2 in the markings of the 19th Air Detachment (White skull on black rudder), ever have skis? More accurately did the 19th Air Detachment ever operate in areas where it snowed in 1917? TIA sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:29:33 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: R: checking the panoramic view Message-ID: <3C3494FD.2D28B6AC@x25.net> The pigments in the paint weigh more than the carrier. If the carrier was the same weight as water then the pigment in a gallon of paint that weighs 12 to14 pounds must be at least 6-7 pounds. If the carrier weighed a bit more than water the difference would still be a lot more than half a pound... I suspect that the finish on a several layer paint job would be between 14 and 20 pounds or 6 to 9 kilos. Lee M. Diego Fernetti wrote: > Lee! > Certainly liquid varnish is heavier than water, but also lose some of its > weight when dry. How many pounds of varnish would have taken to cover a > triplane or a Fokker D.VII? Just a few.... > Besides, a well doped airplane must tend to last more and be more "slippery" > in the air stream so it's in the interest of the owner that his plane is > well finished (I spent countless hours sanding, painting and polishing the > wings of my glider before competitons). However, I guess that the savings > were for the manufacturers pockets who may have had a lot less to spend on > their factories on large batchs of airplanes. > I recall that somewhere there was a discussion about a silk covered triplane > made specially for MvR... I guess that it was just a regular linen triplane, > but artfully covered and doped thickly with rich varnish.. therefore the > silky appearance! > IMHO > D. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lee M. > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:05 PM > Subject: [WWI] Re: R: checking the panoramic view > > > An ot response to weight of paint. > > > > The Artic Red color applied to the "tail end" of a C-130 weighs about > > 150-200 pounds. (Or more.) Five gallons weighed close to 50 pounds per > > bucket. > > > > I would suspect that the color applied in WW I would weigh about 5 > > pounds per gallon, and, maybe a small bit more. > > > > Check out the weight of paint in your local Hardware store. Lacquer > > weighs more than water. It ain't light in weight. > > > > I forget "exactly" how much a gallon of water weighs but I seem to > > recall it is 7 pounds > > > > Lee M. > > > > Diego Fernetti wrote: > > > > > About how much? A half pound on the entire craft? > > > D. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Crawford Neil > > > > > > > Being mean with paint, would save weight too. > > > > /NeilC > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:31:07 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: R: checking the panoramic view Message-ID: <3C34955B.88100317@x25.net> I also forgot where I "Herd" that before. Lee M. Steven Perry wrote: > > > > I forget "exactly" how much a gallon of water weighs but I seem to > > recall it is 7 pounds > > > > Lee M. > > 8.34 #/gal, 7.48 gal/cu.ft. Lee > > Most important constant used in the turd herding business > > TSS Conc. in mg/L x 8.34 #/gal x Flow in MG = pounds of doodoo. > sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:40:02 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: R: checking the panoramic view Message-ID: <04d901c1947d$aca06460$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Lee wrote: > I suspect that the finish on a several layer paint > job would be between 14 and 20 pounds or 6 to 9 kilos. Yikes! And they didn't had dacron to cover the crates in those years! D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:38:53 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Shon Howell -was Data File question - Important Message-ID: Well, I am not concerned cause I never ordered from that person. But the whole thing is sounding to me like he does not send the orders, then declare they was lost when people investigate and finally sends them, saying he resend them for free. Of all orders placed, there may always be some people who do not investigate, who never ask, so he will have the money in that case without sending anything. I may always be wrong with that - but this is how the story sounds for me. Of all the times that I ordered stuff from the US, from GD, Germany, France, Belgium, Switzerland and Czechia only one order was lost - that was the Eduard Albatros D.II 1/48 that I ordered two years ago. And a responsible person of Eduard immediately answered my inquiry for the paket that never arrived. They always kept contact and replaced the order for free, asking me only to sign a declaration at my post office, saying that the first order in fact never arrived. That's the way things go when honest people are involved. Eduard had lost many pakets at that time they lost mine, perhaps stolen because it happened one month before Christmas. Gaston Graf www.jastaboelcke.de > > > Hello Listmembers, > A few weeks ago, I posted an inquiry about Shon Howell. Now > that things > have been settled, I would like to post a full explanation. > Three months ago, Shon Howell advertised books for sale on the > WWI list. > I ordered about USD 38 worth of books. > A month later, he had cashed my cheque, but I had not received > the books. > My many emails to him went unanswered. > I finally managed to contact him by phone. He said the order must be > lost in the mail, and that he would send a partial or full replacement for > free. After 2 more reminders, he finally sent me the full order > by Priority > mail. > I am quite satisfied with the way whole thing finally turned out. > > I do believe Shon Howell is fully honest in his dealings. > However, this > is not an isolated incident and has happened to a few others in the past. > If you do plan to order from him in the future, you may wish to take > appropriate precautions. > regards > SSH > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 12:56:09 EST From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: Subject: Re: R: checking the panoramic view Message-ID: D: "I recall that somewhere there was a discussion about a silk covered triplane made specially for MvR... I guess that it was just a regular linen triplane, but artfully covered and doped thickly with rich varnish.. therefore the silky appearance!" On another forum DSA has made the point that aircraft grade linen and silk weigh exactly the same per square metre (IIRC 3.5 oz) and that, therefor, there would be no weight advantage in covering an aircraft in silk at five times the cost. Makes sense to me. cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:06:44 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: R: checking the panoramic view Message-ID: <052b01c19481$673c9480$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Peter! > On another forum DSA has made the point that aircraft grade linen and silk weigh exactly the same per square metre (IIRC 3.5 oz) and that, therefor, there would be no weight advantage in covering an aircraft in silk at five times the cost. Makes sense to me. Sure does! A fancy silk covered airplane would have cut Tony's nose up to his eyebrows! :-) D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:02:02 -0000 From: "WW1 Giants" To: "WW1 List" Subject: Temp email Message-ID: <004701c19480$c034e020$7985fc3e@dfdesk> As my ISP is having problems, I'm using the Giants address for now. Which reminds me, I should have some time to update/upgrade the site nextw eek, with the evntual intention of moving to Shane & Lorna's cook up site. I'll be looking for submissions, but more on that later !! dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:42:08 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Hippel DVa "blitz" scheme question Message-ID: <175.1addf72.29660000@aol.com> In a message dated 1/3/02 8:37:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, sperry03@tampabay.rr.com writes: << Also does anyone know what repairs were considered squadron level or field repairs and which ones needed to be done at a depot? Obviously this differed between the different countries and services, but some idea would be helpful. sp >> I don't how the German repair system worked, but when doing the 94thAero diorama, I ran into several references about extra wings being stored in the overhead of the hangars in the field. Also, a couple of fuzzy bad photos showed what looked to wings tucked up in the shadows. When Rickenbacker (or was it Meissner?) wrecked the wings of his Nieuport 28, the airplane was ready for duty the next day. Whether new wings were considered an everyday repair job by the Germans, I don't know. RK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:49:00 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: wings-now there's a stock growth opportunity Message-ID: <28.1ffc5f10.2966019c@aol.com> Bob K writes: << When Rickenbacker (or was it Meissner?) >> was Meester Reek-he tore fabric in flight prob everyone else did as well, but EVR mentions it somewhat serious, like, in his bio. -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 10:59:32 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: wings-now there's a stock growth opportunity Message-ID: <101008437801@smtp.vphos.net> Actually 'twas both, Meissner tore it off of the wings of the aircraft that the NASM Ni28 is painted up as - 6144. Bob ---------- >From: KnnthS@aol.com > > << When Rickenbacker (or was it Meissner?) >> > > was Meester Reek-he tore fabric in flight > prob everyone else did as well, but EVR mentions it somewhat serious, like, > in his bio. > > -Ken > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 19:00:12 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Posting announcements of items 4 sale on eBay Message-ID: Howdy Gang, I like our gentlemens system. If you are bidding on something let the list know. *Usually* we won't bid against you :-) I did drive the price up on one of Matt's auctions by $1 just because I'm mean. (Did I ever send you that $1 Matt?) I (brent-o) recently bid on the Junkers that Karen dug up. (Watch it Matt, I'm about $.99 from being outbid.)I fully expect to be outbid because it seems there are plenty of people on Ebay who want kits more than I do. If someone here wants it more than me here is the link (notice it comes with lozenge decals!): http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1683210673&r=0&t=0&showTutorial=0&ed=1010116181&indexURL=0&rd=1 I would have found it even if Karen hadn't pointed it out. I usually search Ebay quite closely using "albatros", "resin", "vac", "wwi", "junkers" etc. So the Lone Star model would have popped up eventually. I lost out on a collection of Over the Front recently. So let's try DB's intra-list system: I am looking for a full set of Cross and Cockade and Over the Front as well as the big FMP book on the Aircraft of the Austrian Army. Later! Brent (anxiously awaiting incoming mail from folks who want to send me their magazines!) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 19:03:34 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Ardpol resins Message-ID: Howdy Gang! As you all have read these kits are real beauties. I have a stack of two holers coming to distribute to listees. So get ready! There are probably going to be a few I won't want to send out, but I will anyway... Later! Brent _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:20:30 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: wings-now there's a stock growth opportunity Message-ID: <198.acce11.296608fe@aol.com> In a message dated 1/3/02 11:01:20 AM Pacific Standard Time, bpearson@kaien.net writes: << Actually 'twas both, Meissner tore it off of the wings of the aircraft that the NASM Ni28 is painted up as - 6144. >> Yeah- Meissner did it twice! What I couldn't remember was which plane I had a definite reference about being back in action the next day. This crap should still be floating in my brain because I just finished reading the Hat in the Ring Gang from Schiffer for a review in the American Aviation Historical Society journal/quarterly thingie. (BTW, it's not going to be rave review.....) RK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:20:31 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: wings-now there's a stock growth opportunity Message-ID: <9c.18d225bb.296608ff@aol.com> In a message dated 1/3/02 10:50:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, KnnthS@aol.com writes: << Bob K writes: << When Rickenbacker (or was it Meissner?) >> was Meester Reek-he tore fabric in flight prob everyone else did as well, but EVR mentions it somewhat serious, like, in his bio. -Ken >> yep- see: http://members.aol.com/karrart/avart/gal11.htm I lived with this mess for year! RK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:42:20 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: P.E ain't for stumpy fat fingers .. Message-ID: <8e.20bf954d.29660e1c@aol.com> In a message dated 1/2/02 11:52:29 AM Pacific Standard Time, MSHANNON@tnrcc.state.tx.us writes: << And as far as eyesight? hmmmmm. I wonder if I can afford an addition to do a 1/28th scale Gotha and H P 00/400? .Mark. >> well, we're STILL rearranging furniture, and I'll tell you- large 0/400 models should be considered furniture. I'd got with that addition idea. RK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 13:52:54 -0800 From: Myles Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Posting announcements of items 4 sale on eBay Message-ID: <4.1.20020103134320.009f59c0@pop.thc.state.tx.us> >I feel that if an item is posted on e-bay it's fair game to bid on or >purchase outright if that option is available and agreeable. It's a Public >Auction after all. >Now in this hobby there are hard to find kits and modelers with intense >interest in acquiring one. In order to avoid hard feelings amongst >Listmembers, I suggest the following : >If you search and find something you really want, post to the List and call >dibbs on it. We are all ladies and gentlemen here and such a request would >be respected. >Unless someone calls dibbs, it's fair game. >If you have already bid on an item and then someone calls dibbs on it, >continue to bid if you like. Since you didn't want it badly enough to call >dibbs when you bid, it would be nice if you yielded to the one who did, but >its an open auction. This sounds workable. As to the previous gentleperson's agreement, I've been knocked off auctions by listmembers for two kits and three datafiles over the past few months. However, I'm actually glad they went to people I know will put them to good use, so it's not that much of a problem for me. OK, I'll try Steve's method: dibbs on the Lone Star Junkers J.1 !!! I put in a bid yesterday, was already outbid by the original bidder, but am going to try again later. However, all this is probably a moot point since my records show the last two such kits went for $63.00 and 75.00, which is far outside the budgetary constraints imposed by the Minister of Finance. Myles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:12:32 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: wwi Subject: Web goodies Message-ID: <200201032012.PAA70831@mustang.sr.unh.edu> Happy New Year, It seems David Burke and Gabriele Zenoni were busy while on Holliday. Their work is on-line on the website. Check the News page for links. Allan =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4029 **********************