WWI Digest 4028 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: R: checking the panoramic view by "Diego Fernetti" 2) Re: Udet's OT UFO by "Steven Perry" 3) Re: R: checking the panoramic view by Crawford Neil 4) Re: Coloured decal paper by "Steven Perry" 5) Re: R: checking the panoramic view by "Diego Fernetti" 6) Re: Hippel DVa "blitz" scheme question by "Hans Trauner" 7) RE: R: checking the panoramic view by "Diego Fernetti" 8) Re: Coloured decal paper by Crawford Neil 9) Re: Udet's OT UFO (actually: Aviatik B II) by Volker Haeusler 10) Re: Hippel DVa "blitz" scheme question by "Steven Perry" 11) Re: Udet's OT UFO (actually: Aviatik B II) by "Diego Fernetti" 12) Re: Udet's OT UFO (actually: Aviatik B II) by Volker Haeusler 13) Re: Udet's OT UFO (actually: Aviatik B II) by "Diego Fernetti" 14) Re: Hippel DVa "blitz" scheme question by Volker Haeusler 15) RE: Feturbi! by "Graham Hunter" 16) Re: Planet Resin SPAD XI by tbittners@sprintmail.com 17) Re: Udet's OT UFO (actually: Aviatik B II) by Volker Haeusler 18) Dimensions was:Re: Re: Udet's OT UFO (actually: Aviatik B II) by "Steven Perry" 19) Re: Planet Resin SPAD XI by Crawford Neil 20) Shon Howell -was Data File question - Important by "ot811" 21) Re: Planet Resin SPAD XI by tbittners@sprintmail.com 22) Re: Planet Resin SPAD XI by Crawford Neil 23) Re: Coloured Decal Sheets by "Dave Burke" 24) Re: Planet Resin SPAD XI by tbittners@sprintmail.com 25) Re: Posting announcements of items 4 sale on eBay by "Dave Burke" 26) Re: Planet Resin SPAD XI by Crawford Neil 27) Re: Posting announcements of items 4 sale on eBay by "ot811" 28) Re: Planet Resin SPAD XI by tbittners@sprintmail.com 29) Re: Planet Resin SPAD XI by Crawford Neil 30) Re: Posting announcements of items 4 sale on eBay by "Steven Perry" 31) Re: Hippel DVa "blitz" scheme question by "Hans Trauner" 32) german books by "Diego Fernetti" 33) Re: Posting announcements of items 4 sale on eBay by "Dave Burke" 34) Re: Posting announcements of items 4 sale on eBay by "Dave Burke" 35) Re: Hippel DVa "blitz" scheme question by "Steven Perry" 36) Re: Posting announcements of items 4 sale on eBay by "ot811" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:06:28 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: R: checking the panoramic view Message-ID: <029c01c1945f$d6eaca80$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> About how much? A half pound on the entire craft? D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Crawford Neil > Being mean with paint, would save weight too. > /NeilC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:03:08 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Udet's OT UFO Message-ID: <003301c1945f$5fbcd7a0$61e82341@tampabay.rr.com> Also, are there drawings of the > German Aviatik B.II out there somewhere other than the Harleyford book? He also > knocked around in a few of these... Riordan Yes, There is a line profile as well as a color profile and several good photos in the Die Flugzeug der k.u.k. book. Nothing to show the wing planform though. Looks like an Alb B.II with the engine sitting up higher, those big barn door radiators along the side of the fuselage and a rudder that looks like a Gotha rudder. LMK if you neede some images sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:05:08 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: R: checking the panoramic view Message-ID: Well, he wouldn't be saving much money either, Tony Fokker is my kind of guy! /Neil C. > -----Original Message----- > From: Diego Fernetti [mailto:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar] > Sent: den 3 januari 2002 15:03 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: R: checking the panoramic view > > > About how much? A half pound on the entire craft? > D. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Crawford Neil > > > > Being mean with paint, would save weight too. > > /NeilC > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:15:30 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Coloured decal paper Message-ID: <004101c19461$1a3b0a60$61e82341@tampabay.rr.com> Then its those little decal patches around most of the rigging > entry points - I think I'll paint these as I don't think a decal sheet in > the appropriate colour is available. > > A question for the List - When you paint the decal sheet, do you need to > topcoat it with Micro Decal Film or something, prior to use? Also do > people prefer to paint white decal paper or clear film? For the patches you mention, just get some of the clear decal material that is around the markings. Many decal sheets have the clear film all over as opposed to just where the markings are printed. I always save this portion for just such uses. Depending on the paint, you may or may not need to coat it with clear film or lacquer. Usually on something as small as patches you don't need it. hth sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:23:37 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: R: checking the panoramic view Message-ID: <02bc01c19462$3c4bf000$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> If he did a lot of airplanes he would have saved a huge amount of money... D. PS: What about reducing the colours of the lozenge from 5 to 4? ----- Original Message ----- From: Crawford Neil > Well, he wouldn't be saving much money either, > Tony Fokker is my kind of guy! > /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:27:58 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Hippel DVa "blitz" scheme question Message-ID: <002901c19462$d7a97f40$07ab72d4@FRITZweb> > There are actually two pictures on the same page of "Blitz". > One a left 3/4 side view , and the other a 1/4 right front top ( the > aircraft is nosed over on a field of snow) In both cases the gray tone of > the arrow is lighter than the adjacent black on white Maltese cross. Tom, I wouldn't be sure. Used paint types are not the same for cross and Blitz. Lightning conditions make the differences, also. Look at the crosses aof the wings. There the 'black' is much lighter than the fuselage crosses. Hans ( Hmmm, if I follow the F.I 103/17 experts, I would say: Yellow!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:54:27 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Cc: Subject: RE: R: checking the panoramic view Message-ID: <027201c1945e$28d57900$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Alberto! > This raises another point: did the lozenge covered Fokkers really show > their outside pattern on the inside of the cockpit walls ? If so, was this > the result of the tissue printing technique used ? Yes, it shows and it's quite apparent, maybe bacause the printing of lozenges is done on the fabric before the dope is painted. What I haven't noticed is that the streaking of triplanes were done apparently after a first sealing coat of dope was applied on the exterior of the surfaces (as on british machines). I always tought that the varnish that made the streaks were applied to the raw linen... D. PS: I checked the pictures of the nieuport 23 that you mentioned in the Windsock and and those of Phillippe's site. The inclusion of a wooden shield to protect the ammo spool seems logical to protect the funcioning of the device and the legs of the pilot. I would include it in a Nieuport 27. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:32:34 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Coloured decal paper Message-ID: Excellent advice from Michael, I would like to add that by varying the angle of your blade and just slicing away, you will find that some of the stripes are normal, but some are hair-fine. If you use these for making hard-edges they are totally invisible, even if the colour is not identical. I had som very tricky numbers on my Spad 16, that I masked and sprayed, I used this trick to fix up the messy edges, it works well, I think I used black stripes on dark green, and you can't see the difference. /Neil C. Michaelham hotspur wrote: Also, gives a wonderful > hard edge to the > paint job if you're nervous about using masking tape. > > As mentioned, a great advantage is the strips are the same as > the paint > colour, so touch-ups are straightforward. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 16:54:39 +0800 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Udet's OT UFO (actually: Aviatik B II) Message-ID: >Also, are there drawings of the > German Aviatik B.II out there somewhere other than the Harleyford book? There is also a 1/144 scale drawing of the B II in the old Kroschel/Stuetzer "Die Deutschen Militaerflugzeuge 1914 - 1918" (basically a book with 127 3view drawings and lots of charts on german a/c. No idea how accurate these Avviatik drawings are... However, the best article on the Aviatik series is maybe still the reprint of a contemporary "Aerophile" article on "Les Aviatiks" in C&C (GB) vol 13 no 2 (1982). Loads of photos, even though the main drawings show only the C I (which anyway was little more than a slightly enlarged B II in which the pilot and observer traded places...) Volker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:41:40 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Hippel DVa "blitz" scheme question Message-ID: <007501c19464$c1a76ca0$61e82341@tampabay.rr.com> I looked at the profile pub and the photos there. It could be either black or red. Jasta 5 certianly had red paint around. I guess its safe to say all jastas had black paint on hand. von Hipple inherited his dragon ship from Flashar so he might or might not recall the exact colors, but unless someone knows otherwise, I was under the impression that he got his Blitz new and had the markings painted. If this is the case, then I'd say he'd likely remember correctly. I'd go with black even though I think the red looks better. fwiw sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:48:43 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Udet's OT UFO (actually: Aviatik B II) Message-ID: <02e001c19465$bd84f6a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Volker! > the old Kroschel/Stuetzer > "Die Deutschen Militaerflugzeuge 1914 - 1918" (basically a book with 127 > 3view drawings and lots of charts on german a/c. No idea how accurate these > Avviatik drawings are... I happen to have this book but never knew about accuracy issues of it... what do you think of it? D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 17:15:29 +0800 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Udet's OT UFO (actually: Aviatik B II) Message-ID: Diego, "> the old Kroschel/Stuetzer > "Die Deutschen Militaerflugzeuge 1914 - 1918" (basically a book with 127 > 3view drawings and lots of charts on german a/c. No idea how accurate these > Avviatik drawings are... I happen to have this book but never knew about accuracy issues of it... what do you think of it? D." As I said: no real idea. I once copied (for myself only...) basically all the drawings, enlarging them to 72 scale (well, nearly, I later found out that a factor of 2 only meant 1.98 on this f&*&%# copy machine...), and compared a few of the drawings to some of the (early) Datafiles. Some were remarkably similar. At least the basic dimensions (length, wingspan) are usually spot on (something that is remarkably often *not* the case, even in the Datafiles!), but I have no real opinion on the overall accuracy. Obviously, some (most?) drawings are based directly on the official "Typenpruefung" drawings, but these were not necessarily accurate either. In general, Iīd say before one starts scratchbuilding or cutting apart a model to correct it according to a drawing, it is always sensible to look on photos and the general impression given by the drawings first (and again, as I like that example so much, the best for me is the fuselage length of the Roden (and also the MAC) Pfalz D III, which is truly spot on, even though it differs markedly from the Datafile drawings - these are just simple incorrect in this case). Oh, BTW and IMHO, a very good feature of the Kroschel/stuetzer book are the charts on German aero engines... Volker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 12:12:46 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Udet's OT UFO (actually: Aviatik B II) Message-ID: <03e401c19469$1a0b2720$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Volker! > As I said: no real idea. I once copied (for myself only...) basically all > the drawings, enlarging them to 72 scale -snip- > Obviously, some (most?) drawings are based directly on the official > "Typenpruefung" drawings, but these were not necessarily accurate either. So I suspected... the interesting types are the pre-war designs, that I never saw apart from the pages of this book. > Oh, BTW and IMHO, a very good feature of the Kroschel/stuetzer book are the > charts on German aero engines... Yes, those charts are very useful and I suspect that the core of the book, more than the drawings (of course for us modellers the data on the charts are almost anecdotical) D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 17:29:04 +0800 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Hippel DVa "blitz" scheme question Message-ID: Further on spīs comment: "von Hipple inherited his dragon ship from Flashar so he might or might not recall the exact colors, but unless someone knows otherwise, I was under the impression that he got his Blitz new and had the markings painted. If this is the case, then I'd say he'd likely remember correctly. I'd go with black even though I think the red looks better." Same over here. I did not follow the whole discussion, but there is an article on Hippel and Jasta 5 in C&C (GB)vol 1 no 3 (1970), based on correspondence between Hippel and PL Gray. To quote from that article: "At the same time (when commenting on the Flashar Iron FIst - my remark) von Hippel explained that the Albatros D Va he himself later flew (from 12th March to 5th May 1918) bearing the Blitz - Lightning Flash - insignia had a silver gray fuselage and a black and white motif." Even though Hippel himself admitted that "things were no easy matter after 52 years", the preciceness of the data (12th of March etc) indicates that he had some sort of documentation at hand. Too, this was clearly a later aircraft (IIRC, he crashed the Dragon on February 18, 1918) and most probably one directly allocated to him. So to me, thereīs little doubt about the black lightning... BTW, a similar description is also in the slightly later Scale Models article on Jasta 5, also by PL Gray. Volker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:17:02 -0600 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: RE: Feturbi! Message-ID: <000001c19469$b327ee20$770101c0@ghunter> Neil wrote; < On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:23:55 -0500 (EST), Dennis Ugulano wrote: > It's already been said but the build is in the Oct 2000 IM. Check > with Matt because he has some excellent pointers about the rear cockpit > layout and the turtleback, neither of which I did. It's a nice kit and > went together without any major problems. I'm operating from memory here, so forgive me for the errors. The biggest problems with the fuselage of the Planet SPAD 11 concerns two areas, the turtledeck and how Planet represents the rear cockpit. The turtledeck has a "slope" decreasing from the rear cockpit to the horizontal tail. The Rosemont vac correctly represents this area, but the Rosemont vac is undersized all 'round (in the fuselage, it needs a longer nose and isn't "wide" enough). It's easy enough to correct except for one aspect - re-adding the stringer detail. Planet shows the rear cockpit as basically a "hole" with a seat and not much else. The S.11 was dual controled, so the rear cockpit also had some rudimentary controls, along with the other usual "rear cockpit" stuff. I can't recall, but I think the upper wing may be in error as well. I *think* it's missing the "shorter" ribs in between the "regular" ribs. HTH... Matt Bittner np: Green Day, _International Superhits!_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 17:35:17 +0800 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Udet's OT UFO (actually: Aviatik B II) Message-ID: Diego, "So I suspected... the interesting types are the pre-war designs, that I never saw apart from the pages of this book." absolutely echoing my opinion. We are oversupplied with those late war bird documentations, but the early ones are hardly documented at all. BTW; there is another (German text only) book that is maybe even better: "Schwerer als Luft - Die Fruehzeit der Flugtechnik in Deutschland" by Werrner Schwipps, Bernhard & Graefe verlag (in the "Die Deutsche Luftfahrt" series of publications - some of these books have been translated by Schiffer. Basically describing the development of German aircraft up to 1914 (and therefore those used at the beginning of the war), this book has hundreds of superb photos, even if not too many drawings. Great stuff... Volker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:27:13 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Dimensions was:Re: Re: Udet's OT UFO (actually: Aviatik B II) Message-ID: <008901c1946b$1ede9640$61e82341@tampabay.rr.com> It occurrs to me that it might be useful to compile published dimensions of various aircraft. The more I get into this hobby, the more I find questions about drawings and their accuracy. I imagine there is also variation in published dimensions as well as drawings, but a list of published dimensions might serve as a guide to help the modeler decide how much creedence to give a given set of drawings or kit for that matter. Now I could voilunteer to collect such data, but this seems like a larger project than one cumputer clutz can handle. I would however be interested in woirking on such a project if there were one or two others on the List also interested. I'm thinking along the lines of a searchable DB where you could enter the aircraft type and come up with a list of one or more sets of published dimensions and their source. Give me a holler if this sort of project interests you. sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:25:11 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Planet Resin SPAD XI Message-ID: I owned a planet Spad XI for a while, I was thinking I might find something useful for my Spad 16, but in the end I never used any of it. I thought it was a pretty horrible kit, and eventually swapped it for a TopGun Spad 51, which is much nicer (but ot). The planet kit had nice decals. /Neil C. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:33:25 -0500 From: "ot811" To: "wwi-list" Subject: Shon Howell -was Data File question - Important Message-ID: <005301c1946c$02e73450$0800010a@cyberelan.com> Hello Listmembers, A few weeks ago, I posted an inquiry about Shon Howell. Now that things have been settled, I would like to post a full explanation. Three months ago, Shon Howell advertised books for sale on the WWI list. I ordered about USD 38 worth of books. A month later, he had cashed my cheque, but I had not received the books. My many emails to him went unanswered. I finally managed to contact him by phone. He said the order must be lost in the mail, and that he would send a partial or full replacement for free. After 2 more reminders, he finally sent me the full order by Priority mail. I am quite satisfied with the way whole thing finally turned out. I do believe Shon Howell is fully honest in his dealings. However, this is not an isolated incident and has happened to a few others in the past. If you do plan to order from him in the future, you may wish to take appropriate precautions. regards SSH ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:33:24 -0500 (EST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Planet Resin SPAD XI Message-ID: <20020103153324.55EAE4681F@eclipse.qis.net> What I would like to do is try to convince Barry at Rosemont to correct his kit. Cast the fuselage in resin (due to all the louvers) but keep the wings in vac (and resize). Maybe if - as a list - we all gang up on him he'll concede? Matt Bittner On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:26:37 -0500 (EST), Crawford Neil wrote: > I owned a planet Spad XI for a while, I was thinking I might find > something useful for my Spad 16, but in the end I never used any > of it. I thought it was a pretty horrible kit, and eventually > swapped it for a TopGun Spad 51, which is much nicer (but ot). > The planet kit had nice decals. > /Neil C. > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:40:18 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Planet Resin SPAD XI Message-ID: Yes, very good idea, I would much prefer vac wings, and letting somebody else do all those louvres attracts me no end. I'ld like to do another one, if it was an easy build, or maybe convert it into a Spad 19, with extended wings. /Neil C. > -----Original Message----- > From: tbittners@sprintmail.com [mailto:tbittners@sprintmail.com] > Sent: den 3 januari 2002 16:35 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: Planet Resin SPAD XI > > > What I would like to do is try to convince Barry at Rosemont > to correct his kit. Cast the fuselage in resin (due to all > the louvers) but keep the wings in vac (and resize). Maybe > if - as a list - we all gang up on him he'll concede? > > > Matt Bittner > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:55:54 -0600 From: "Dave Burke" To: Subject: Re: Coloured Decal Sheets Message-ID: <003801c1946f$21309fc0$f4131a3f@s0024008072> And then I had to weigh in... I use the Light Blue and Sky Blue Superscale decal sheets for rib tape. Use a SHARP #11 X-acto blade and a metal straight-edge 'et voila'!!! Rib tapes!! I spray a 'salmon' onto clear film and do the same for the pink 'uns. DB Still Snowbound in Auburn Alabama ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:47:32 -0500 (EST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Planet Resin SPAD XI Message-ID: <20020103154732.BBB874681F@eclipse.qis.net> On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:42:03 -0500 (EST), Crawford Neil wrote: > Yes, very good idea, I would much prefer vac wings, and letting > somebody else do all those louvres attracts me no end. > I'ld like to do another one, if it was an easy build, or maybe convert > it into a Spad 19, with extended wings. He'll give his usual response about "lack of time and resources", so maybe this is something "we" should work on. In other words, get most of it up to speed already (say, by correcting one of his kits already) and have him worry about some of the details and casting the masters/molds. Hmmm...I will have to think about this a bit more. This way, we could work on two of them to be sure that both the 11 and the 16 get kitted. Funny that one of the largest produced French WW1 two-seaters still has yet to be kitted correctly... Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:57:18 -0600 From: "Dave Burke" To: Subject: Re: Posting announcements of items 4 sale on eBay Message-ID: <004501c1946f$532503e0$f4131a3f@s0024008072> > And here I thought we were supposed to help each other out on this list. > What it sounds like is someone going against the list's "gentlemen" > agreement. Someone has a list of ebay alias'. Keep a hold of that > list, and if someone from this email list has already bid, then we stay > away. This has normally been the norm. > Yeah, except when EtH burned me on the Taube book... DB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:54:16 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Planet Resin SPAD XI Message-ID: You didn't even need to write French WW1, counting the 11 and 16 together they made 2500, so: Funny that one of the largest produced two-seaters still has yet to be kitted correctly... /Neil C. > > Funny that one of the largest produced French WW1 two-seaters > still has yet to be kitted correctly... > > > Matt Bittner > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:01:24 -0500 From: "ot811" To: Subject: Re: Posting announcements of items 4 sale on eBay Message-ID: <00b801c1946f$e967cfe0$0800010a@cyberelan.com> who IS EtH ? If may make so bold? regards SSH ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:01:16 -0500 (EST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Planet Resin SPAD XI Message-ID: <20020103160116.9A3034681F@eclipse.qis.net> On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:55:34 -0500 (EST), Crawford Neil wrote: > You didn't even need to write French WW1, counting the 11 and 16 together > they made 2500, so: > > Funny that one of the largest produced two-seaters > still has yet to be kitted correctly... Well, I wasn't sure without my references, so I wanted to cut my losses. :-) But yet you can be sure we'll see a lesser produced German two-seater before the SPAD...... Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:07:12 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Planet Resin SPAD XI Message-ID: I must say that I laughed my head off, when I read that Revell were disappointed about the sales of their TA154 Moskito. Surely a Spad 11 would sell better than one of those! /Neil C. > > Funny that one of the largest produced two-seaters > > still has yet to be kitted correctly... > > Well, I wasn't sure without my references, so I wanted to cut > my losses. :-) > > But yet you can be sure we'll see a lesser produced German > two-seater before the SPAD...... > > > Matt Bittner > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:15:33 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Posting announcements of items 4 sale on eBay Message-ID: <00ad01c19471$df3fcc00$61e82341@tampabay.rr.com> I don't often buy off e-bay, basically because I am too lazy to search it alot. When someone posts an interesting item I may bid on it if I want and can afford it. Lately I have noticed they have a Buy It Now option and price on some items. I feel that if an item is posted on e-bay it's fair game to bid on or purchase outright if that option is available and agreeable. It's a Public Auction after all. Now in this hobby there are hard to find kits and modelers with intense interest in acquiring one. In order to avoid hard feelings amongst Listmembers, I suggest the following : If you search and find something you really want, post to the List and call dibbs on it. We are all ladies and gentlemen here and such a request would be respected. Unless someone calls dibbs, it's fair game. If you have already bid on an item and then someone calls dibbs on it, continue to bid if you like. Since you didn't want it badly enough to call dibbs when you bid, it would be nice if you yielded to the one who did, but its an open auction. Those who search E-bay alot, please continue to post notices of cool items and photos, I have collected many neat references by downloading photos from E-bay. Most of these are too expensive for me to bid on and an e-image is sufficient for my purposes. sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:20:20 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Hippel DVa "blitz" scheme question Message-ID: <001701c19472$8a56a000$21ad72d4@FRITZweb> But, as already stated, there were two Blitz. One with Green/mauve wings and another one with loz wings. The loz wing Blitz was crashed also and on the pic the trees shows no foliage. The green/mauve Blitz was crashed on a snowy landing field. The 'snow crash/green-mauve-Blitz' should be before March, the 'sans-foliage/lozenge-Blitz' crash should happen before May. Both nose-in-the-ground crashs looks repairable. A new set of wings...? Hans > "At the same time (when commenting on the Flashar Iron FIst - my remark) von > Hippel explained that the Albatros D Va he himself later flew (from 12th > March to 5th May 1918) bearing the Blitz - Lightning Flash - insignia had a > silver gray fuselage and a black and white motif." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:17:36 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: german books Message-ID: <03f901c19472$28b94e60$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Volker wrote: > BTW; there > is another (German text only) book that is maybe even better: "Schwerer als > Luft - Die Fruehzeit der Flugtechnik in Deutschland" by Werrner Schwipps, > Bernhard & Graefe verlag Hmmm seems like it's time for me to learn some german apart from "rumpf" and "flugzeuge".... :-) There's also that book of Imrie "Pictorial history of the German Air Service" wich has very nice pictures of the early german machines but unfortunately just a few. D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:34:39 -0600 From: "Dave Burke" To: Subject: Re: Posting announcements of items 4 sale on eBay Message-ID: <000901c19474$8b304c40$28a31e3f@s0024008072> > who IS EtH ? If may make so bold? > regards > SSH > Ernest the Heretic - Ernie Thomas. Former List curmudgeon and Nats winner who has recently popped back up. He's an old buddy of mine who snatched 'Taube: The Dove of War: from me on Ebay. Then I saw it and realized that it wasn't that good of a reference for what I wanted. So he beat my 3.25 bid for the book. DB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:41:56 -0600 From: "Dave Burke" To: Subject: Re: Posting announcements of items 4 sale on eBay Message-ID: <001701c19475$8f4c20a0$28a31e3f@s0024008072> sp said: > If you search and find something you really want, post to the List and call > dibbs on it. We are all ladies and gentlemen here and such a request would > be respected. > > Unless someone calls dibbs, it's fair game. I reckon so - except for the fact that MOST of the crap that is on e-bay is commonly traded amongst Listmembers for much lower than what eBay wants. When I wanted a JMGT SPAD VII, I merely spoke up and Ken was happy to part with one. When there was a D.VII available, I sent a check for $25 to Georgia and had it in a few days. When I see the prices that some people are willing to pay for these kits - $100 for the MvR release of the DML Dr.1 is OUTRAGEOUS!!!! - I am resolved to avoid eBay. If I really want something, I contact the List, then negotiate offline when someone contacts me. Best system I've ever used. DB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:36:58 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Hippel DVa "blitz" scheme question Message-ID: <00c101c19474$dd0e3ea0$61e82341@tampabay.rr.com> Both nose-in-the-ground crashs looks repairable. A new set of wings...? Hans has a very interesting point here. Is there a reference out there that records the activity of the air parks and depots where major repairs were done. How common were rebuilds? This might be useful in determining such issues. Also does anyone know what repairs were considered squadron level or field repairs and which ones needed to be done at a depot? Obviously this differed between the different countries and services, but some idea would be helpful. sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:46:08 -0500 From: "ot811" To: Subject: Re: Posting announcements of items 4 sale on eBay Message-ID: <00e901c19476$2920c5f0$0800010a@cyberelan.com> Steven, Matt, Thanks for clarifying the eBay protocol in detail. I think it makes solid sense. Lets just hope the dibbing privilege doesn't get abused. And Steve, thanks for the compliments on my Baby. regards SSH ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4028 **********************