WWI Digest 4027 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Feturbi! by Ray Boorman 2) Re: Coloured decal paper by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 3) Re: Coloured decal paper by Shane Weier 4) Re: Coloured decal paper by Shane Weier 5) RE: Feturbi! by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 6) Re: Coloured decal paper by "Bob Pearson" 7) Re: Coloured decal paper by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 8) Re: Coloured decal paper/Painting decal paper by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 9) Re: Udet's OT UFO by "Gaston Graf" 10) Re: Coloured decal paper/Painting decal paper by Shane Weier 11) Posting announcements of items 4 sale on eBay by "Mike Franklin" 12) Re: Coloured decal paper/Painting decal paper by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 13) Coloured Decal Sheets by Tom Gourdie 14) ·ÇÀñ´ÒÊÓ£¡³ÉÈËÓÃƷרÂô£¡ by cherryzh@china.com 15) Re: Posting announcements of items 4 sale on eBay by Matt Bittner 16) Re: Udet's OT UFO by "Thomas Solinski" 17) Re: Planet Resin SPAD XI by Dennis Ugulano 18) checking the panoramic view by "Diego Fernetti" 19) R: checking the panoramic view by "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" 20) Re: Coloured decal paper by "Michael Kendix" 21) Re: R: checking the panoramic view by "Steven Perry" 22) Re: R: checking the panoramic view by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 23) Re: R: checking the panoramic view by Crawford Neil 24) Re: R: checking the panoramic view by "Diego Fernetti" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:56:00 -0800 From: Ray Boorman To: Subject: RE: Feturbi! Message-ID: <20020103055848.FTOO16355.priv-edtnes09-hme0.telusplanet.net@ray> >Neil Eddy wrote: > >Dutchman Frederick Koolhaven who later worked designing very ugly >fighters >for BAT. I'd hardly call a FK22 Bantam ugly. In fact it was very advanced for the period and supposedly outperformed a Fokker DVII and a Sopwith Snipe during trials in 1919? I think. Some really Nice pictures in Windsock a few years ago. Along with Plans if I remember correctly. There was a scratchbuild article for the little Ack FK3 in Windsock Vol 15 No3. Somewhere in my stash I have a FK8 Vacuform. As to the VC it was Lieutenant Alan A McLeod from Winnipeg and he embarrassed a few Jasta on different occasions and escaped unscathed during late 1917 and early 1918. On the last occasion 27th march 1918 he wasn't as lucky and crashed after clashing with Jasta 11 and with his observer claiming 4 down. McLeod landed his by now burning FK8 in no mans land flying it from outside the cockpit to escape the flames. He pulled his observer from the wreck and whilst both were burned and badly wounded he managed to carry his observer towards friendly lines. In the process getting wounded again. McLeod finally collapsed close to friendly lines but had to wait until nightfall before he and his observer could be rescued. McLeod spent months in hospital and he received his VC on September 4th. The youngest aerial VC of the war. The story has a sad end though McLeod returned to Winnipeg at the end of September 1918 and caught Influenza from which he died on November 9th two days before the war ended. >PS I have a question for the List - which Spitfire was Manfred Von >Richthoven driving when he crashed...anyone know? > "Grinding of teeth" well it cant have been an ME#%^& unmentionable so it must have been a Focke DR1 ;) Ray ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:05:35 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Coloured decal paper Message-ID: Hi Ross, Eyesight is holding up and should last to the end of the Tripehound. It has had its first PC-12 mix coat and will get another - then a Future coat after that. Then its those little decal patches around most of the rigging entry points - I think I'll paint these as I don't think a decal sheet in the appropriate colour is available. A question for the List - When you paint the decal sheet, do you need to topcoat it with Micro Decal Film or something, prior to use? Also do people prefer to paint white decal paper or clear film? Also I have not been fishing for Queenslanders, they have been fishing for me. I think I got hooked too. ;-) (must be the Tasmanian in me : 0 All the Best Neil E. PS - If you can't find the decal sheets you need drop me a line, there's a couple of shops that usually have then down here. (thought: Try Snowy Mountains - he has most things) _________________________________________________________________________________ NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication, you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of the Department of Human Services. 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If you have received this email in error or have other concerns regarding this transmission, please contact the Department of Human Services System Administrator at Postmaster@dhs.vic.gov.au _________________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:18:02 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Coloured decal paper Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD993@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Volker says: > Finally, a cheap and easy alternative is to get clear decal > sheets (again, I > can only say that Tango Papa seems to be the best when it > comes to quality > versus price) and spray (or paint) them in the desired color. ....which has the astonishing effect of making the variety of colours limitless. I have sheets of rose pink and light blue rib tape colours, RFC, Italian and French roundel colours, several shades of PC.10, several shades of CDL, several shades painted as plywood in different colours, black, white, a range of greys both cool and warm, chrome yellow, several reds, Jasta 5 green - probably about 40 or 50 in all. You shouldn't be without them ! Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:24:25 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Coloured decal paper Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD995@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Neil, > A question for the List - When you paint the decal sheet, do > you need to > topcoat it with Micro Decal Film or something, prior to use? Nope. And nothing afterwards, the thinner the better. > Also do > people prefer to paint white decal paper or clear film? Clear film. If you cut a white film/colour coat decal sheet you will end up with narrow white outlines on everything. I tried it with pale yellow which I worried wouldn't cover, and the edging problem was severe enough to have me chuck it out Shane > ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:24:47 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Feturbi! Message-ID: Ray; Yes, it was Macleod, I'm at work and don't have any references here so I rely on imperfect memory. I was reading about Alan Macleod just the other night as a footnote to Kilduff's MVR book. This fight is one of the great stories of the air war I think. We tend to forget the Flu epidemic at the end of the war - it killed almost as many people as the war. In relation to Koolhaven, after seeing some of his designs, I think he used original approaches to shape in aircraft design. I suppose whilst his aircraft were all largely effective, they were not classical in sense of the Sopwiths, Nieuports, and Fokkers. His designs always look very robust and angular to me (particularly the AW designs). Also the Pegasus AW FK-8 seems a nice kit - worth a look I think Also......So he was driving a Fokker-Wulf DR-190 then? (scratches head) All the Best Neil _________________________________________________________________________________ NOTICE: This communication is confidential. 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I think I got hooked too. ;-) (must be the Tasmanian in me : 0 > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:33:16 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Coloured decal paper Message-ID: Courtesy of my Tasmanian Father, Bob, plus a couple of years inhaling paints, glues, turpentine and other wonderful things. Why, I hardly notice my second head these days........ ;-) All the Best Neil E. Hmmm, perhaps the hook managed to drag the Tasmanian out from inside of you.. . and how did he get in in the first place anyway? Bob > _________________________________________________________________________________ NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication, you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of the Department of Human Services. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of the Department. Except as required by law, the Department does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. If you have received this email in error or have other concerns regarding this transmission, please contact the Department of Human Services System Administrator at Postmaster@dhs.vic.gov.au _________________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:35:43 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Coloured decal paper/Painting decal paper Message-ID: Shane; What about setting solutions? Too harsh I think? All the Best Neil E _________________________________________________________________________________ NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication, you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of the Department of Human Services. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of the Department. Except as required by law, the Department does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. If you have received this email in error or have other concerns regarding this transmission, please contact the Department of Human Services System Administrator at Postmaster@dhs.vic.gov.au _________________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 07:44:49 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: Re: Udet's OT UFO Message-ID: Are you sure it was an AVG, not an LVG? LVG stands for "Luft-Verkehrs-Gesellschaft" or "air traffic company". They produced two-seaters, often used as trainers. I have a picture of Udet standing in front of an LVG two-seater after he had successfully passed his check flight. hope this helps Gaston Graf www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Rory > Goodwin > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 6:11 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: Udet's OT UFO > > > Speaking of UFOs, what the heck is an AVG? Udet claims to have > flown one in his > memoirs (in 1916?). No reference in Jane's. Also, are there > drawings of the > German Aviatik B.II out there somewhere other than the Harleyford > book? He also > knocked around in a few of these... > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:27:45 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Coloured decal paper/Painting decal paper Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD996@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Neil, > What about setting solutions? Too harsh I think? Not that I ever noticed. You might want to check on a scrap kit bit first, but I use Microscale sol and set, and the Aeromaster equivalents with them all the time. If anything, I sometimes need something *more* active. FWIW *most* of my decals sheets were made using Humbrol paints Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:29:22 -0800 From: "Mike Franklin" To: Subject: Posting announcements of items 4 sale on eBay Message-ID: <000501c19430$c05c4ca0$9eecfc9e@picker> This is my opinion only. If you are not the seller, do not post announcements to this list. It just drives up the price for those of us who take the time and effort to stay appraised of what's available. I have been watching a few items for a while, and now because someone posted a link, all the lurkers and those just too lazy or addled to surf eBay can just mosey on over and tender a bid. So I say if it's not your business, stay out of it. If you were going to bid on an item, you wouldn't tell everyone else what a great deal it is, would you. Thanks, Mike Franklin Bellingham, WA USA "No man is so hated as he who will drive the speed limit" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 17:44:58 +0800 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Coloured decal paper/Painting decal paper Message-ID: <00e101c1943b$4ee200a0$236e160a@CSP00> In addition to what Shane already described: > What about setting solutions? Too harsh I think? > I use the Gunze "Mr. Mark Softener" (that's at least what I think it's named) nearly exclusively since a few years - mainly because it was the thing they had in my local hobbyshops in Germany, the Czech Republic and even here in Malaysia. Never had any problems with that stuff, even though it seems to be one of the stronger solutions. In general, there is no difference between "self colored" clear sheets and standard sheets. Fragility of the sheets is mainly caused by 3 factors: - manufacturer (and here, fragility mainly means thickness, I think). For example, the extremely thin Tango Papa sheets are somewhat fragile, but I accept that,as they virtually disappear on the model - age - thickness of the "design" on the sheet - that's why spraying (thin coats of) color instead of using a brush is the best solution. The thinner the paint layer, the more flexible the sheet is... As Shane, I never use any coating solution for the painted sheets. Finally, an additional *huge* advantage of self painted clear sheets is the fact that you can *exactly* match painted colors on the model and those of the decals (because you use the same paint). Great thing for straight color demarcations between painted areas or for cockpit canopies (if one does ot stuff as well). Volker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:20:05 -0000 From: Tom Gourdie To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Coloured Decal Sheets Message-ID: Apologies if I have come in late on this one but Hannants stock Microscale solid colour decal sheets (A5) in a fairly wide range of colours but none (other than the silver sheets) which are of much use for OT application. The cost is £1.99 per sheet (or £1.69 for export ouside the EU). The sheets are good and work well with Microsol/set. Now if they did some solid colour sheets in various hues of PC10 and PC12...! 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------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 05:43:07 -0600 From: Matt Bittner To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Posting announcements of items 4 sale on eBay Message-ID: <3C3443CB.6030607@sprintmail.com> And here I thought we were supposed to help each other out on this list. What it sounds like is someone going against the list's "gentlemen" agreement. Someone has a list of ebay alias'. Keep a hold of that list, and if someone from this email list has already bid, then we stay away. This has normally been the norm. I for one enjoy having people post about items on ebay. How else are we to know when someone posts "real" photos that we can download to disk? Personally, most of these "real" photos are way beyond my price range, so I'm glad to see them at all. Just my $.02, of course. Matt Bittner Mike Franklin wrote: >This is my opinion only. If you are not the seller, do not post >announcements to this list. It just drives up the price for those of us who >take the time and effort to stay appraised of what's available. I have been >watching a few items for a while, and now because someone posted a link, all >the lurkers and those just too lazy or addled to surf eBay can just mosey on >over and tender a bid. So I say if it's not your business, stay out of it. >If you were going to bid on an item, you wouldn't tell everyone else what a >great deal it is, would you. >Thanks, >Mike Franklin >Bellingham, WA USA > >"No man is so hated as he who will drive the speed limit" > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 06:34:13 -0600 From: "Thomas Solinski" To: Subject: Re: Udet's OT UFO Message-ID: <006401c19452$f3b2e060$a6a20d41@okcnc1.ok.home.com> > > Speaking of UFOs, what the heck is an AVG? a very ot American Volunteer Group? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:21:34 -0500 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Planet Resin SPAD XI Message-ID: <200201030821_MC3-EC8F-20B4@compuserve.com> Neil, It's already been said but the build is in the Oct 2000 IM. Check with Matt because he has some excellent pointers about the rear cockpit layout and the turtleback, neither of which I did. It's a nice kit and went together without any major problems. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ronnieuggie.com/uggie/dju.htm Page Revised 10/13/01 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:32:09 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "ww1 list" Subject: checking the panoramic view Message-ID: <025001c1945b$0becfd20$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hi I was checking the "panoramic camera" of the Fokker Dr1 on the Memorial Flight website and I was surprised to see that the interior of the linen portion of the cockpit has no traces of bleeding inside of the green streaks... just the off white linen. Is that repro done with the methods of the 1914/18 era, right? So I assume that this was typical of all the fokker-streaked machines. What do you think? D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:20:50 +0100 From: "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: R: checking the panoramic view Message-ID: <43EB244779F3D411966E0060082C59E906F316@SERVER1> All I can say is that this sounds not strange at all, to me at least. The R.E.8 at Duxford has a plain (and very light) linen finish on the cockpit walls' inner sides, but the exteriors are dark green. The outside dark colour does not seem to have darkened the linen colour inside at all. Maybe, the streaking is more visible when sunlight hits the fuselage sides directly.... This raises another point: did the lozenge covered Fokkers really show their outside pattern on the inside of the cockpit walls ? If so, was this the result of the tissue printing technique used ? Alberto Casirati -----Messaggio originale----- Da: Diego Fernetti [SMTP:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar] Inviato: giovedi 3 gennaio 2002 14.26 A: Multiple recipients of list Oggetto: [WWI] checking the panoramic view Hi I was checking the "panoramic camera" of the Fokker Dr1 on the Memorial Flight website and I was surprised to see that the interior of the linen portion of the cockpit has no traces of bleeding inside of the green streaks... just the off white linen. Is that repro done with the methods of the 1914/18 era, right? So I assume that this was typical of all the fokker-streaked machines. What do you think? D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 13:45:38 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Coloured decal paper Message-ID: Just thought I'd chime in with my view on "Coloured decal paper". I use clear decal paper and then spray or brush paint the colour I want, onto it. Very easy - I use water-based acrylics only when spraying. Like Shane Weier, I have several leftover scraps of coloured decal paper, only mine are in 1/72nd scale and fit into a small plastic freezer bag. As Volker mentioned, you can make really thin decals if you use light coats of paint. Also, if you want to maybe build up wing ribs, you can really trowl it on thick and cut strips. Also, gives a wonderful hard edge to the paint job if you're nervous about using masking tape. As mentioned, a great advantage is the strips are the same as the paint colour, so touch-ups are straightforward. If you have airbrush (sorry Nigel) or you could use a spray can, it seems easier and less expensive to make your own coloured decal paper than buying it. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:49:31 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: R: checking the panoramic view Message-ID: <001d01c1945d$814d9820$61e82341@tampabay.rr.com> Not strange at all. Several coats of clear dope are applied to the fabric to thighen and seal it before any color is used. There would be no bleed thru. Light shined directly on the outside might show shadow effect, but the fabric is sealed and no pigment would seep thru. As for Loz, that was dyed and the color went all the way through. the clear dope was put on over this, so you see the pattern of loz on the inside. sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 08:49:35 EST From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: Subject: Re: R: checking the panoramic view Message-ID: <122.a0a42c0.2965bb6f@aol.com> The fabric is sealed with shrinking dope before any olive streaks are aplied. And, as we know, Fokker being tight as a dUck's sphincter not much olive made it onto the airframe. A friend fortunate enough to speak to a Fokker employee of the thirties was told that it was even then Fokkers practice to remonstrate with paint shop workers using a favourite expression "don't cut my nose off". Perhaps it makes more sense in Dutch :) Lozenge fabric samples I have seen show colours of almost equal hue on both sides when doped. cheers Peter L In a message dated Thu, 3 Jan 2002 8:35:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" writes: > All I can say is that this sounds not strange at all, to me at least. The > R.E.8 at Duxford has a plain (and very light) linen finish on the cockpit > walls' inner sides, but the exteriors are dark green. The outside dark > colour does not seem to have darkened the linen colour inside at all. > Maybe, the streaking is more visible when sunlight hits the fuselage sides > directly.... > This raises another point: did the lozenge covered Fokkers really show > their outside pattern on the inside of the cockpit walls ? If so, was this > the result of the tissue printing technique used ? > > Alberto Casirati > > -----Messaggio originale----- > Da: Diego Fernetti [SMTP:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar] > Inviato: giovedi 3 gennaio 2002 14.26 > A: Multiple recipients of list > Oggetto: [WWI] checking the panoramic view > > Hi > I was checking the "panoramic camera" of the Fokker Dr1 on the Memorial > Flight website and I was surprised to see that the interior of the linen > portion of the cockpit has no traces of bleeding inside of the green > streaks... just the off white linen. Is that repro done with the methods of > the 1914/18 era, right? So I assume that this was typical of all the > fokker-streaked machines. > What do you think? > D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:55:21 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: R: checking the panoramic view Message-ID: Being mean with paint, would save weight too. /NeilC > -----Original Message----- > From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com [mailto:LEONARDPeterL@aol.com] > Sent: den 3 januari 2002 14:51 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: R: checking the panoramic view > > > The fabric is sealed with shrinking dope before any olive > streaks are aplied. And, as we know, Fokker being tight as a > dUck's sphincter not much olive made it onto the airframe. A > friend fortunate enough to speak to a Fokker employee of the > thirties was told that it was even then Fokkers practice to > remonstrate with paint shop workers using a favourite > expression "don't cut my nose off". Perhaps it makes more > sense in Dutch :) > > Lozenge fabric samples I have seen show colours of almost > equal hue on both sides when doped. > > cheers > > Peter L > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:03:39 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: R: checking the panoramic view Message-ID: <029401c1945f$723eb240$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Now I won't look to my streaked interior of my Dr.1 model too proudly. Well I always can think that it was just a dirty pilot. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 10:51 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: R: checking the panoramic view > The fabric is sealed with shrinking dope before any olive streaks are aplied. And, as we know, Fokker being tight as a dUck's sphincter not much olive made it onto the airframe. A friend fortunate enough to speak to a Fokker employee of the thirties was told that it was even then Fokkers practice to remonstrate with paint shop workers using a favourite expression "don't cut my nose off". Perhaps it makes more sense in Dutch :) > > Lozenge fabric samples I have seen show colours of almost equal hue on both sides when doped. > > cheers > > Peter L > > > In a message dated Thu, 3 Jan 2002 8:35:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, "a.casirati@cornali-trasporti.it" writes: > > > All I can say is that this sounds not strange at all, to me at least. The > > R.E.8 at Duxford has a plain (and very light) linen finish on the cockpit > > walls' inner sides, but the exteriors are dark green. The outside dark > > colour does not seem to have darkened the linen colour inside at all. > > Maybe, the streaking is more visible when sunlight hits the fuselage sides > > directly.... > > This raises another point: did the lozenge covered Fokkers really show > > their outside pattern on the inside of the cockpit walls ? If so, was this > > the result of the tissue printing technique used ? > > > > Alberto Casirati > > > > -----Messaggio originale----- > > Da: Diego Fernetti [SMTP:dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar] > > Inviato: giovedi 3 gennaio 2002 14.26 > > A: Multiple recipients of list > > Oggetto: [WWI] checking the panoramic view > > > > Hi > > I was checking the "panoramic camera" of the Fokker Dr1 on the Memorial > > Flight website and I was surprised to see that the interior of the linen > > portion of the cockpit has no traces of bleeding inside of the green > > streaks... just the off white linen. Is that repro done with the methods of > > the 1914/18 era, right? So I assume that this was typical of all the > > fokker-streaked machines. > > What do you think? > > D. > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4027 **********************