WWI Digest 4024 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Feturbi! by Shane Weier 2) Re: I'm back .... and Happy New Year by Shane Weier 3) RE: I'm back .... and Happy New Year by Shane Weier 4) RE: ...and an OT report on Australia by Shane Weier 5) RE: some albatros d.ii questions by Shane Weier 6) Farman F30 by Paul Thompson 7) RE: some albatros d.ii questions by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 8) Re: Judging colours/was: Flashback? by john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) 9) Re: some albatros d.ii questions by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 10) Re: Farman F30 by Matt Bittner 11) Ardpol resins by Matt Bittner 12) Miscellaneous by "Marcio Antonio Campos" 13) RE: Feturbi! by Dennis Ugulano 14) Oops! by Allan Wright 15) Oops - part deux by Allan Wright 16) RE: Resolutions by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 17) Let it snow!!! by "Dave Burke" 18) back on the saddle again by "Diego Fernetti" 19) Off Topic request by tbittners@sprintmail.com 20) Re: some albatros d.ii questions by "Hans Trauner" 21) Re: some albatros d.ii questions by "Diego Fernetti" 22) Re: some albatros d.ii questions by "Hans Trauner" 23) I'm back (as if anyone missed me) by "Mark Shannon" 24) RE: some albatros d.ii questions by "Laskodi" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:57:05 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Feturbi! Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD989@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Neil, > > If you're feeling really slack, there's always the Pegasus Big Ack.... > Sorry Neil, the Pegasus Big Ack, is in fact a Little Ack. > All the Best No, it's 1/72 ;-) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:01:12 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: I'm back .... and Happy New Year Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD98A@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Ross says: > Glad you got through the fires mate. Was worried that you > might have had to > go back up north and stay with Shane W while NSW burns.. ;-) Hang about while I get out my fiddle..... > Was so good to meet you too. I look forward to your next > visit down under. He has to stay away long enough for his liver to recover. Mind, we only shared a single bottle of wine at my place and otherwise drank a little Thirsty Dog. Perhaps he was saving liver cells for the Hunter Valley wineries Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:06:03 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: I'm back .... and Happy New Year Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD98B@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Volker, > just came back from Oz, where we extended our stay to help > the Aussies get > an overview over their wine reserves (by reducing them > substantially...). So we heard. > Saw the Sydney Harbour fireworks, and it was truly > spectacular. However, I > could also see the terrible bushfires around Sydney after > takeoff, and they > were really frightening. Hope our listees concerned (Ross, > Shane & Lorna?) are all fine... Me too. And NSW needs all the help it can get. After 160+ houses burning a few days ago they'd had some days where hard labour and luck saved them, but it's been bad again today. More houses burning, and the weather is atrocious for the firefighters. Keep you fingers crossed listees. We don't want anyone to die down there. > Whatever, (even though somewhat late) a Happy and Successful > New Year for all of you out there! ....and again to you ! Cheers! Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:14:21 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: ...and an OT report on Australia Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD98C@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Volker reports: > Too, it should be noted that you stumble across some > interesting OT > artillery pieces nearly everywhere in Oz - the climate obviously helps > preserving them in a good condition, as most of them are in > the open on > market places etc. I personally liked the rather strange > looking German 25 > cm Minenwerfer (a kind of mortar, I guess?) that I saw in > Hahndorf - CE Bean, the official historian, went to some pains to ensure that hundreds of such artillery pieces were brought to Australia as "war booty" with the express purpose of placing them as war memorials around the country. They're *everywhere* - two in the park outside my high school for example. > but then I maybe liked the wheat beer even better... LOL So I understand. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:06:32 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: some albatros d.ii questions Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD98D@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Bucky, Picking some of these questions at random > > - Rib tapes: As my D.I. said twenty some-odd summers ago, > "The only dumb > question is the question not asked". So, here goes. As > someone who has been > OT modeling since the Sixties, I'm almost embarrassed to ask this, but > should the wing surfaces have rib tapes? The only OT fabric covered wings without tapes should be those with capstrips (like Moranes) Otherwse the wing and pilot would be likely to have a short life span. > Would these extend > to the control surfaces? Yes or no. Stitching is necessary on all the ribs of a wing, or the fabric would balloon away destroying the aerofoil shape, and the plane wouldn't fly. But control surfaces are short chord, and also don't ave a concave surface so tapes aren't absolutely necessary. OTOH some do have them, especially if loger chord, like the balance section of some ailerons, and larger elevators or rudders. > How about the tail? Same again. Some do, some don't. Tail surfaces are often *not* aerofoil, and rarely have a concave side because otherwise they'd generate lift which is a *bad* thing for a control surface. That means the need for taping is not so great BUT since some tailplanes are fairly long chord they have tapes, though often not on all ribs. And as ever, there are many variations - another one of those look at your refs situations. FWIW I'd bet (without checking - I may be wrong!) the Albatros D.II has rib tapes on all ribs, both wings and on two ribs of the tailplane, but none on the ailerons. > - "Albatros metalwork green": This is another shade about > which there seems > to be a lot of different interpretations. Y'know, the green > the Albatros > series used for engine covers, struts, inspection panels, > joystick, etc. > NASM Albatros uses almost an FS 34097 dark green (this is close to the > MisterKit "Albatros Green" I just bought, but I think that > shade is supposed to be for camo schemes). Photos I've seen of this bird look quite like the AWM machine, and that green seems very much lighter than 34087 > Other folks use something very close to RLM02, > while still others have this color as being, for all > purposes, a light gray. Be carefull ! There wasn't a single manufacturer. The RLM02 colour supposedly represents the colour used at OAW > Did this green just get darker as the war went on? Hell, who knows. This is one of those forever and ever arguments > Wired way too tight to hang comfortably with Dicta Ira, Enjoy the rubber room ! Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 11:46:06 +0000 From: Paul Thompson To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Farman F30 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020102114143.00a55320@pop.xs4all.nl> Wellsprings of wisdom, Well, looks like no-one has an opinion on the Albatros C1, so the next question is: Anyone have any info on Farman F30 rigging diagrams? I'm wrestling with the Omega 1/72nd kit of this beastie, and can't figure out all of the runs involved from their own diagram and the (very) few web resources I've found. Any references would be extremely welcome. All the best, Paul T. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:19:46 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: RE: some albatros d.ii questions Message-ID: <001601c1937f$6334aa10$0937183f@cyrixp166> Looking at the NASM book: a.) The wings were taped. b.) The horizontal tailplane was stitched & therefore almost certainly taped. c.) I do not see a photo showing what went on with the horizontal control surface. d.) The ailerons were not taped. e.) The rudder appears to me to have been taped. This is my visual interpetation of one photo. Of course this does not mean that what NASM did was correct. It just means that this is what was done. The metal work paint is another one of those tough questions. I do not recall seeing any early Albatros photos (D.I, D.IIs & D.IIIs) with dark metal paint. I have seen a few D.Vs that appear to have dark metal paint. Many more seem to have light metal paint. Kinda like those silver/gray fuselages. Look at the photos or please yourself. I have used a 75% RLM 02 / 25% white mix for the light metal work paint and have been pleased with the outcome. Regards, Cyg. ----- Original Message ----- From: Shane Weier To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 5:08 AM Subject: [WWI] RE: some albatros d.ii questions > Bucky, > > Picking some of these questions at random > > FWIW I'd bet (without checking - I may be wrong!) the Albatros D.II has rib > tapes on all ribs, both wings and on two ribs of the tailplane, but none on > the ailerons. > > Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 01:24:38 -0600 From: john@huggins-leahey.com (John Huggins) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Judging colours/was: Flashback? Message-ID: >Michael, > Fair enough, but I do not consider myself worthy enough to >judge the work of others ath thi stage of my resurrected modeling hobby. :) >Thank you though for the encouragement you and others on this list provide. > >Warren Warren, Don't let that be a reason not to give it a go. As an OJT judge, you would be teamed up with 3 other judges. You will be surprised how much you already know, and how much you will learn about your own building habits. It realy is a win/win situation. I'll see you in Va. Beach. JP ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:43:36 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: some albatros d.ii questions Message-ID: <003501c19382$b7a6ad70$0937183f@cyrixp166> The "pea" or Brunswick Green color has been suggested by Dan-San Abbott in his reasearch of the Albatros D.II color scheme. DSA feels that all Alb. D.II aircraft had the 3 color camo scheme dk. green / rust brown / Brunwick Green. The order of the camo stripes and direction was specific to manufacturer and serial number grouping. The rudders assumed the color of the horizontal tailplane middle camo stripe. If this happed to be Bunswick Green, the rudder appeared to be a light color. A much better explanation of this is found in "The Camouflage and Markings of the Albatros D.II Aircraft, Dan-San Abbott, WWI Aero, #150:26". This is the current line of thinking amongst the cognicenti concerning Alb. D.II camo. It is not a universally accepted idea here on the list (resistance probably coming from those who have finished models in the 2-color camo). ;-) Regards, John Cyg. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mordecai Sheftall To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 1:40 AM Subject: [WWI] some albatros d.ii questions > - Albatros "light" or "pea" green (the shade I ribbed you about, Bob L.): > The Datafile Albatros special has no mention at all of this shade in the > D.I/D.II series, or of the three-tone scheme employing it that is shown in > the Eduard instructions. Has some new research revealed this scheme/color in > the years since the Datafile was published? > > - A related question, perhaps: the instructions call for this "light green" > to be used on the rudder of the machine I want to model (Hans, I believe you > are modeling the same scheme). Rimell has clear-doped rudders on some D.IIs. > Can't help shaking the feeling that, if Ray is right, then the Eduard folks > might have mistaken a clear-doped rudder for one painted with the elusive > pea green. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 05:44:25 -0600 From: Matt Bittner To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Farman F30 Message-ID: <3C32F299.7070008@sprintmail.com> Paul Thompson wrote: >Anyone have any info on Farman F30 rigging diagrams? I'm wrestling with >the Omega 1/72nd kit of this beastie, and can't figure out all of the runs >involved from their own diagram and the (very) few web resources I've >found. Any references would be extremely welcome. > Unfortunately, our scanner doesn't work right now, otherwise I would scan some of the FMP book for you. Give us your opinion of the kit. Decent? What needs to be replaced (if anything)? Think the long resin wing won't warp over time? I have one of these coming, hence my questions. Also send images of it completed so we can see it. :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 05:56:28 -0600 From: Matt Bittner To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Ardpol resins Message-ID: <3C32F56C.5070004@sprintmail.com> I finally received my first Ardpol resin over the holiday (thanks Witold!!!). While it's an off topic, US 'tweener biplane, I thought I would give my general impressions of the kit. One word: superb!! This is so far the best resin kit I have (well, along with the other manufacturer I received at the same time which looks to be the same people as Ardpol, the company called "Silesian Eagles") and is definitely the best resin I have ever seen. The level of detail is astounding and needs to be seen. If Ardpol ever releases something you want, by all means don't hesitate and purchase it quickly. While all parts are in resin, it's that fact that amazes me. Everything to scale with little to no pinholes/airholes/miscast parts (unlike Luedemann...grrr...). The molded in interior is superb. Nothing needs to be added except seat belts (now to find an aftermarket set of US 'tweener seat belts...). Awesome. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:48:33 -0300 From: "Marcio Antonio Campos" To: Subject: Miscellaneous Message-ID: <008601c19394$2d8183b0$5d1ba8c0@officesp.starmedia> Folks, Back to work after 4 days out (and almost 500 messages to read this morning)! Let me wish you all a belated Happy New Year, and in this moment special thoughts and prayers go to our Australian friends, as well as to my neighbours Diego and Martín. Here are, again, my 3 resolutions for 2002: 1 - learn rigging 2 - build a Gotha bomber 3 - bring more Brazilians to the List Unlike Christmas, I could work a bit on my models this weekend. My Revell Fokker Dr.I received a new coat of red paint and I just have to paint one or another detail before having it ready for gloss varnish. I already put the gloss cote in the upper wing and the cross decals. I also finished assembling *one* of the photo-etch Spandaus for my ESCI Albatros D.III. I would have finished the other if the carpet gods had not demanded a tribute - two little pieces. Eric will forgive me, but I didn't use all pieces available. Anyway, the whole thing looks very nice for Marcio's standards and close to the images I see in both my D.VII Anthology and D.VII In Action. I'll try to use everything in my next attempts - remember it's the first time I'm using photo-etch parts! :-) All the best from Brazil Marcio Antonio Campos Redator do GuiaSP StarMedia do Brasil +55 11 30436421 marcio.campos@starmedia.net http://www.guiasp.com.br http://www.guiarj.com.br http://www.nacidade.com.br ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:18:44 -0500 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: RE: Feturbi! Message-ID: <200201020819_MC3-EC45-BB0F@compuserve.com> Neil E, >> plus there's those little Uggie pills too we'll miss.... : ) << Let me pull down a bottle and see if I can get them to work. I appreciate your words of encouragement. I spent this morning working with rabbit fur and now my nose itches. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ronnieuggie.com/uggie/dju.htm Page Revised 10/13/01 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:01:15 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: wwi Subject: Oops! Message-ID: <200201021401.JAA55798@mustang.sr.unh.edu> Looks like Brad Gossen and Joey Valencia got booted because their mailboxes filled up over holliday break. Allan =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:02:19 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: wwi Subject: Oops - part deux Message-ID: <200201021402.JAA58376@mustang.sr.unh.edu> Add John Alsbrooks to the list of people that got booted over break. Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:21:13 EST From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Resolutions Message-ID: <73.18880837.29647159@aol.com> I have a list 1: Always finish what I start 2: ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:54:37 -0600 From: "Dave Burke" To: Subject: Let it snow!!! Message-ID: <003201c1939d$673723e0$6173fea9@s0024008072> Wayullll..... Snow may be a big pain in the soft 'n' tenders to a lot of Y'all, but here in Auburn, it is just damned beautiful. It's coming down at a good clip with a few more inches predicted. It's not like alot of Yankee towns where Y'all are used to it. The trees and buildings aren't made for it which only makes the effect more lovely. ...So I'm staying in to finish the interior of my OAW D.VII. I added side frame detail and stuff - should end up nice. Rudi Stark would be proud. Oh - my pre-New Year's Resolution was to finish scratchbuilding the cowl panels for it. They are done - I don't have a damned thing to do fer the rest of the year!! DB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:10:07 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "ww1 list" Subject: back on the saddle again Message-ID: <035d01c1939f$9064e8e0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hey friends! I'm back at the battle station here and found 450 mails waiting to be read an answered... it may take a while! Thanks for the toughts for my country, they are very apprecciated. Don't forget that we're two argies on this list and Martin is also getting short of fingers counting presidents. No we aren't chopped ourselves! ;-) My activities on the last days of 2001 and the first of 2002 were very pleasant and I must mention one visit I made to the National Naval Museum in Tigre, Buenos Aires, where I was in awe watching naval models by the hundreds, all done with excellent craftmanship and even one room entirely dedicated to naval aviation in Argentina, again full of models of planes of all eras, including Jennies and a SE5a (first time I've had notice of these two flying here down south) They had neat paint schemes too, I must contact the modeler who did them (about a 150 or so). So there you have for a complete collection! More news in the next report! D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:39:18 -0500 (EST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Off Topic request Message-ID: <20020102153918.29E6B4682B@eclipse.qis.net> --Message-Boundary Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit I'm hoping someone can help me out. Having just acquired the Ardpol 1/72nd Douglas O-2H, I'm in need of references. Help, please! TIA. Matt Bittner --Message-Boundary Content-type: application/octet-stream; name="" Content-transfer-encoding: base64 Content-disposition: attachment; filename="" --Message-Boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:49:39 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: some albatros d.ii questions Message-ID: <006d01c193a5$1635dc40$68ac72d4@FRITZweb> Bucky, you asked: > should the wing surfaces have rib tapes? Would these extend to the control > surfaces? How about the tail? I am not 100% sure, but I think they don't invent a new fabric fixing method when loz camo came in use, so I would say in all three cases: Yes > > - Albatros "light" or "pea" green (the shade I ribbed you about, Bob L.): > The Datafile Albatros special has no mention at all of this shade in the > D.I/D.II series, or of the three-tone scheme employing it that is shown in > the Eduard instructions. Has some new research revealed this scheme/color in > the years since the Datafile was published? Yes!! I was astonished also when I discovered the three-tone camo for Albatrose, but you can see it very clearly in the SqS book. Go to the Albtros D. IV ( yes D.4 !) section. Compare the tonal values of the outer right half of the top wing with the left wing half. To the same with the D.III of Jasta 20 on the opposite site. There are clearly three shades. To all my knowledge ( and with the help of comments by the Great DSA, the wings of a LVG Alb. DII should be 'chestnut brown', 'pastel green', 'Dark Green', 'Pastel Green', 'Chestnut brown'. Don't use Eduards color advices for Humbrol, Tamiya etc. They simply took any brown or even a grey shade for the pastel green. I will use Lifecolor paints which are not available in the US, I think. Chestnut brown: 50% Raw Sienna FS 30076+ 50% Burnt Umber FS 30040; Pastel Green= 'Italian Mimetic Green' FS 34258, Dark Green: RLM 71 = FS 34079. Just my guesses. Untersides: Italian Interior Green FS 34558. > > Rudder: The Great DSA says that the rudder on D.IIs were painted in one of the three camo paints. If f.e. brown is the middle tone on the horizontal stabilizer, the rudder should be brown. On those pics were the rudder appears light, it should be 'pastel green'. > - "Albatros metalwork green": That's what I am still discussing with myself. I am still uncertain if I should use RLM02 or just a plain pale grey. I think I'll take the simple plain grey. Don't ask me why. RLM02 should be good either. Somewhere in my brain there is a voice saying: 'Remember Feldgrau! Remember Feldgrau!' Feldgrau as a paint for any germany hardware in WWI had a distinct green hue, some RLM02's from some producers should be o.k. And, as always, greetings to Ira! Hans ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:00:11 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: some albatros d.ii questions Message-ID: <047c01c193a6$8ee04080$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> > The Great DSA says that the rudder on D.IIs were painted in one of the > three camo paints. If f.e. brown is the middle tone on the horizontal > stabilizer, the rudder should be brown. On those pics were the rudder > appears light, it should be 'pastel green'. WHAT?????!!! AAAAAAAGGHH!!!!! whattaheck... Dicta Ira! D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:08:05 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: some albatros d.ii questions Message-ID: <00b901c193a7$a9762bc0$68ac72d4@FRITZweb> Hey, Diego! What's the matter? Is it my english or is it the Great DSA's logic? In my opinion there must be a solution of the riddle of dark and light rudders of the D.II. And there are dark and light ones on the very same pic, so the panchromatic vs. orthochromatic film solution does not work. and a solution that they simply paint it sounds sound to me. Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diego Fernetti" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 4:55 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: some albatros d.ii questions > > The Great DSA says that the rudder on D.IIs were painted in one of the > > three camo paints. If f.e. brown is the middle tone on the horizontal > > stabilizer, the rudder should be brown. On those pics were the rudder > > appears light, it should be 'pastel green'. > > WHAT?????!!! > AAAAAAAGGHH!!!!! > whattaheck... Dicta Ira! > D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 10:05:29 -0600 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: I'm back (as if anyone missed me) Message-ID: Well, after a fun-filled, (and I do mean filled - my mother- and sister-in-law seem to have an aversion to a moment's idleness on vacation) trip to Arizona over the Holidays, I am back in Austin. OT plastic under the tree - what else but the Albatros D.II Profipack (from the wife) and the Roden Gotha G.V (from the kids, together) . The D.II will get done at some point after I finish the three descendants I'm STILL trying to find time to complete. I do so like the Gotha, of course, just a pity about the scale though. I, too, have some 500+ e-mails to go through. I knew I left something out of the pre-trip arrangements (hire son's friend to take care of cats, paper, and mail, gas up car, get it inspected and the oil changed, - unsubscribe - oops) Resolutions: 1. Finish the three perpetual Albatrii 2. Make a substantial dent in the stacks of backlog model kits 3. Don't buy as many kits to sit on the shelf 4. Stop making resolutions that are impossible to keep. Happy New Year to all. .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:13:52 -0800 From: "Laskodi" To: "WWI List Post" Subject: RE: some albatros d.ii questions Message-ID: <001501c193a8$78c2b6a0$433819d0@f4hn201> <<>> Hizzoner, DSA, was the source for the three color camo on the wings including the Linda Blair vomit color! Although my interpretation of the shade of vomit was my own pick (and not scaled down!). Unfortunately, I don't have answers to your remaining questions. HTH -----------Bob ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4024 **********************