WWI Digest 4021 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: One of the few has gone West... by "ibs4421" 2) Ross's Golden Egg was [Re: Happy New Year by "cameron rile" 3) Re: Flashback? by "ibs4421" 4) Re: Resolutions by "ibs4421" 5) Re: Back to scale colour WAS: Flashback? by "ibs4421" 6) Re: Crazy Collections by "ibs4421" 7) Re: Flashback? by "ibs4421" 8) Judging colours/was: Flashback? by "Michael Kendix" 9) Re: Judging colours/was: Flashback? by "ibs4421" 10) Re: Resolutions by Matt Bittner 11) Hippel DVa "blitz" scheme question by Mark Miller 12) Re: Flashback? by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 13) Re: Crazy Collections by Matt Bittner 14) Re: Hippel DVa "blitz" scheme question by "Hans Trauner" 15) Re: APC decals by Morg17ms@aol.com 16) Trade? by "Charlie and Linda Duckworth" 17) Re: Judging colours/was: Flashback? by "Michael Kendix" 18) Re: Flashback? by "Michael Kendix" 19) Re: Flashback? by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 20) Re: Flashback? by Nigel Cheffers-Heard 21) Re: Hippel DVa "blitz" scheme question by Mark Miller 22) Re: Peter Pan in 1918 by KnnthS@aol.com 23) RE: IM (was Happy New Year) by "Nigel Rayner" 24) Re: Flashback? by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 25) RE: decals are the dirty closet of modelling by KnnthS@aol.com 26) Re: Hippel DVa "blitz" scheme question by "Hans Trauner" 27) Re: Flashback? by Shane Weier 28) RE: IM (was Happy New Year)/again w/decals by "Tom Plesha" 29) Re: Back to scale colour WAS: Flashback? by Shane Weier ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 09:46:06 -0600 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Re: One of the few has gone West... Message-ID: <004901c192db$6d3ea640$853dfad1@dwfjv01> > Please forgive me the ot content - perhaps it's ot regarding our hobby, but > a pilot is a pilot and am personally very grateful to all who helped in the > fight against Nazi terror. Thanks to those people, we can live in peace and > freedom since 1945. > > May the new year bring you luck, happiness and peace. > > Gaston Gaston, Not to worry my friend, at least not from this quarter. I guess my naive outlook from childhood that the WWI and WWII vets I grew up with would all be with us forever is still in my head. I find it hard to conciously imagine myself living in a world without them in it, they were such an inspiration to me when I was growing up. My wife has been so very adamant to tell our son of my father and uncle (WWII vets) who passed away before he came into this world. He speaks of them now as if he knows them. Indeed, a pilot is a pilot. Surely they must all carry the same spirit within. Warren ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 102 10:42:10 -0400 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Ross's Golden Egg was [Re: Happy New Year Message-ID: Ross, >Nor the idea I have of building one of >every type of plane that the AFC/RAAF >flew from the start to today.. ;-) 297 different aircraft by my count. You're going to be a busy lad for a couple of decades to come. cam www.australianflyingcorps.org ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 09:49:45 -0600 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Re: Flashback? Message-ID: <005301c192db$efef1200$853dfad1@dwfjv01> . In IPMS judging, > the authenticty of the colours is not really high up on the list of what > judges look for Michael, IIRC, when we started talking about the MisterKit paints a few days back, someone mentioned that some judge somewhere would be likely to start using them as some kind of benchmark. I seem to recall some on this list mentioning the judging of color/colour at contests from time to time. I know I have heard friends mention this in person. Anyway, as I said, it was only one reason amongst many. Warren ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 09:57:04 -0600 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Re: Resolutions Message-ID: <005d01c192dc$f57301e0$853dfad1@dwfjv01> more List friends than I have today. > sp Indeed sir, and may I say that I have found this group to be a great group of friends, you amongst them. speaking of that, the 1/72nd scale Nieuport arrived yesterday. So, as soon as I find the time to finish my Fokker F.1, I suppose that "Nieuport Challenge '02" should start? I pray that I am worthy to the task. Warren ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:03:46 -0600 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Re: Back to scale colour WAS: Flashback? Message-ID: <006301c192dd$e584d500$853dfad1@dwfjv01> > MMmm. I think that the notion that a small replica will appear too dark if > painted with paints taken from a 1:1 subject still holds. I think so too. Personally, I > think the whole formula business is a classic example of someone providing a > rough guideline which has been taken as some sort of mathematically derived > gospel - and made a valid argument into a load of tosh. Yes Shane, it has. > > As for WW1 being harder to do this with than WW2 - I think it's easier, > because there's almost no-one out there adamantly prescribing what the > *exact* *real* *colours* are, leaving you with more freedom to interpret to > your own satisfaction without the lunatic fringe looking askance. Well, that was my point. There is a lot fo documentation out there for WWII and later paint, schemes, etc. WWI paint interpretation is wide open IMHO. Part of what I think makes it fun, it alllows me to interpret things for myself, to my satisfaction. > > > This is one reason, amongst > > many, that I have never had any great, burning desire to > > build a model and enter it in a contest. > > Not a reason. In 99% of organised model contests the shade of colour of the > paint will not be judged. > > Shane Well, as I said, it was only one reason amongst many. I had a very bad model contest experience as a 12 year old kid, and another as a spectator as an adult. Niether was an IPMS sponsored event. I am sure that those that are sponsored by IPMS most likely have some understandable rules, and few unwritten ones that one finds out about only after the contest is over. I still have a bad taste in my mouth from historical reenacting/living history authenticity contests where the judge(s) quite often were ignorant of the subject they were judging than some of the participants. Warren ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:07:46 -0600 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Re: Crazy Collections Message-ID: <007301c192de$74410de0$853dfad1@dwfjv01> Well, at one time, back about ten years ago when I thought that WWI a/c would be something that I wanted to concentrate on, I wanted to have a shelf with every type of Sopwith produced and used in active service from 1914-1918, in 1/72nd of course. It followed that I would like a similar shelf of Albatri, then Nieuports, Royal Aircraft Factory, etc. A feller can dream after all. Warren ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:12:37 -0600 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Re: Flashback? Message-ID: <007d01c192df$218967e0$853dfad1@dwfjv01> > I wondered where you were... :) Well Nigel, I am in "Cain-tuh-Ke". Just arrive at NY, head towards the sun, take a hard left, cross the Ohio River, and you're here. :) > > Bravo! I agree entirely. There is a really fundamental question (or two!) here. > > 1) Who are you primarily building for? Precisley, I am building for me, and any friends who happen over to the house that may want to take a look. There are those who do build for contests, the approval of others, etc. That is great, and I wish them all the enjoyment they can get out of it. Maybe one day I will become a good enough modeler that what Ido for myself may be judged worthy of entry into a contest. > 2) How can you possibly sort out who is right and who is wrong? We can't, it is a useless argument. Warren ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 16:17:53 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Judging colours/was: Flashback? Message-ID: >From: "ibs4421" > >Michael, > IIRC, when we started talking about the MisterKit paints >a >few days back, someone mentioned that some judge somewhere would be >likely >to start using them as some kind of benchmark. I seem to >recall some on >this list mentioning the judging of color/colour at >contests from time to >time. >I know I have heard friends mention this in person. > Anyway, as I said, it was only one reason amongst many. Warren: Fair enough; oft times, I don't feel like competing either, so it's no big deal. But, to ensure nobody is under any misapprehension, go to http://www.ipmsusa.org/handbook.html at which site you will see the following: "Colors. Paint colors, even from the same manufacturer and mixed to the same specs, can vary from batch to batch. Different operating environments can change colors in different ways. All paints fade from the effects of weather and sunlight, and virtually every color looks different close-up than it does from far away. Poor initial application and subsequent maintenance compound these problems. Therefore, aside from gross inaccuracies such as a light green "Red Arrows" aircraft, color shades should not be used to determine a model's accuracy or lack thereof. Again, models with unusual colors should be supported by confirming documentation." I think that's fairly clear. I'm not saying all competitions are like this but those under the USA IPMS are supposed to be. I'm also not saying these rules are the "Best" or whatever. I'm telling you, go and do an "On the Job Training" (OTJT) judging at a competition or show - no need to enter any of your own stuff if you don't like. They'll welcome you with open arms because they never have enough good people - it's not some secret cabal thing in terms of who they let in. I've done it once and it was really an eye-opener - you learn a lot - at least I did. I plan to do some OTJT at this year's US nationals - at the very minimum, it'll keep me out of the vendors rooms for a bit and reduce the credit card damage. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:27:52 -0600 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Re: Judging colours/was: Flashback? Message-ID: <008f01c192e1$43593060$853dfad1@dwfjv01> I'm telling you, go and do an "On the Job > Training" (OTJT) judging at a competition or show - no need to enter any of > your own stuff if you don't like. They'll welcome you with open arms > because they never have enough good people - it's not some secret cabal > thing in terms of who they let in Michael, Fair enough, but I do not consider myself worthy enough to judge the work of others ath thi stage of my resurrected modeling hobby. :) Thank you though for the encouragement you and others on this list provide. Warren ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 10:26:30 -0600 From: Matt Bittner To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Resolutions Message-ID: <3C31E336.10601@sprintmail.com> Pedro Soares wrote: >Peace on Earth. > Extremely well said. Great job, Pedro. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jan 2002 08:38:07 -0800 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Hippel DVa "blitz" scheme question Message-ID: <20020101163807.16073.cpmta@c016.snv.cp.net> So... Is the arrow red or black? My references show it both ways TIA Mark Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:53:27 EST From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Flashback? Message-ID: In a message dated 01/01/02 10:12:44 GMT Standard Time, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << > There always seems to be "this years weathering look". If you want to > win prizes, you tend to have to subscribe to that. Remind me never to go near any of the contests at which you've learned this. >> I'm afraid he speaks the truth brother Shane. If you're not up to "pre-shading" and all the latest tricks don't enter a competition and expect to win. Of course "expect to win" are the operative words here. If the object is to participate then it matters not a jot. All the same it is a little discouraging, though perhaps not so bad as not having a competition to enter any more as at the UK nats. cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 10:53:09 -0600 From: Matt Bittner To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Crazy Collections Message-ID: <3C31E975.3020604@sprintmail.com> All of you are thinking too small. :-) How about at least one machine from each and every Escadrille? Think that's a crazy collection? Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:28:19 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Hippel DVa "blitz" scheme question Message-ID: <002501c192e9$b48c1880$62ab72d4@FRITZweb> So it is, Mark. And to make it more confusing: What is the fuselage base colour? Grey? Silver? Whatever? And be careful: There where at least two (2) arrow marked Jasta 5 Albatrose! Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Miller" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 5:41 PM Subject: [WWI] Hippel DVa "blitz" scheme question > So... > Is the arrow red or black? > My references show it both ways > > TIA > Mark > > > Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! > http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 12:33:09 EST From: Morg17ms@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: APC decals Message-ID: <146.73059ae.29634cd5@aol.com> --part1_146.73059ae.29634cd5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please repeat the address - I can't seem to make contact with it. Tom Morgan --part1_146.73059ae.29634cd5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please repeat the address - I can't seem to make contact with it.

Tom Morgan --part1_146.73059ae.29634cd5_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:34:39 -0600 From: "Charlie and Linda Duckworth" To: "wwi-faq" Subject: Trade? Message-ID: <001301c192ea$d65b6140$2832b9cc@unionrai> I've come across an extra Blue Max Nieuport N.28 and Eduard Hansa-Brandenburg D.I. Would like to trade either for someone that may have an extra Blue Max Pfalz D.XII or for the HiTech Roland D.II. If interested please contact me off list. Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 17:54:29 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Judging colours/was: Flashback? Message-ID: >From: "ibs4421" > Fair enough, but I do not consider myself worthy >enough to >judge the work of others ath thi stage of my resurrected >modeling hobby. >:) That's why it's called "Training" - nor am I. Don't worry, they won't let you do any damage:) and it's an opportunity to see what goes on and learn. Anyway, as i mentioned, it doesn't take a genoius to notice a poorly filled seam, a mess-up on the epaint job, a badly done decal, or to see if the model stands up straight and true. Listen, you don't have to be a great soccer player to referee a game, right? Otherwise, the U.S. would have no soccer referees:)!! Michael _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 18:02:19 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Flashback? Message-ID: >From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com >I'm afraid he speaks the truth brother Shane. If you're not up to >"pre-shading" and all the latest tricks don't enter a competition and > >expect to win. Of course "expect to win" are the operative words here. Peter: I do not understand the UK IPMS judging - that's not a criticism, merely my ignorance. But this is not the case at the US IPMS. Please see: http://www.internetmodeler.com/2000/may2000/aviation/mos_ai.htm There is no pre-shading of panel lines (OK, it's WW1)but there is no fancy weathering either. Also, note the builder/author admits to using the wrong "Brown". Nevertheless, it placed first in 1/72nd scale Allied biplanes out of more than 20 entries. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:01:44 EST From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Flashback? Message-ID: <3f.447e258.29636198@aol.com> In a message dated 01/01/02 18:05:15 GMT Standard Time, mkendix@hotmail.com writes: << I do not understand the UK IPMS judging > Michael, I can speak from direct experience having been asked to judge a scratch build class in the open competition some years ago. Let me hasten to add that I was a last minute replacement for someone who managed to lose himself at the critical moment. There were two of us judging the class and only two entries. I remind you that this was a scratch built class, yet one of the entries was a vacform! It is enough that it got past the scrutineers un-noticed, but my fellow judge (who had not the excuse the he was a last minute replacement) didn't spot it either. There have been some very strange decisions at the Nats in recent years. Perhaps some will recall a recent winner had been the subject of an article in one of the sponsors magazines showing how it was built from sheet metal over a wooden frame. It was a superb model, but not a PLASTIC model. There have been occasions when a cleanly built but not particularly outstanding OOB kit has won it's class while a well executed scratch build in the same class is not even commended. You will understand that I am somewhat cynical (yes, even more than usual) about the standard of judging at these events and far less enthusiastic about competing than I used to be. cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:45:58 +0000 From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Flashback? Message-ID: Have a look here: http://home.clara.net/neilscrim/Speakers_Corner/speakers_corner.html N -- Nigel Cheffers-Heard photography + design tel: +44 (0)1392 87 58 57 fax: +44 (0)1392 87 74 97 mobile: 0771 261 4514 nigelch@cheffers.co.uk www.cheffers.co.uk Laburnums, Bridge Hill Topsham, Exeter EX3 0QQ, UK ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jan 2002 11:58:01 -0800 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Hippel DVa "blitz" scheme question Message-ID: <20020101195801.3554.cpmta@c016.snv.cp.net> On Tue, 01 January 2002, "Hans Trauner" wrote: > > So it is, Mark. And to make it more confusing: What is the fuselage base > colour? Grey? Silver? Whatever? And be careful: There where at least two (2) > arrow marked Jasta 5 Albatrose! > > Hans Ah ha I assume that this means that there is no definative answer. Fine by me - red arrow/grey body it is :-) BTW - when you say there were 2 arrow marked Jasta 5 AC do you mean the 2 variants of Hippels "blitz" scheme One withe Purple/mauve wings and the other with Lozenge upper and Light blue lower? (as per the book Color Profiles of WW1 Combat Planes) Or is there another one? Thanks Hans Mark Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 15:11:58 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Peter Pan in 1918 Message-ID: <17e.1970b27.2963720e@aol.com> N C-H writes: << home.clara.net/neilscrim/Speakers_Corner/speakers_corner.html >> I went ahead and read the 'tips' section on washes-- Warren, if you're listening-and thank you Nigel and Neil S. on site-this made me remember something vital from when *I used to model*: A sense of experimentation and boldness and problem solving! It occurs that I have re-involved myself here *as an adult* (comment to contrary) and what I forgot to bring along this time round was that wonderful spirit of adventure!! As kid you simply don't care or when you do, don't know enough to and simply *solve the damn thing*.... Thanks guys for the point--I have wanted to start washing my models again but I had simply *forgotten how*.....and adventuresomeness is prob. a good start! I do it on figures with glazes, washes and drybrush buildups and that is comfy to me, if labored. I miss the old days of swinging a wash. cool. what-a-place.... Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 20:20:48 -0000 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: RE: IM (was Happy New Year) Message-ID: <000001c19301$ccc816c0$983bedc1@w1o0t3> Shane noted (re my IM comments): >Agreed. And you've missed Volker. Whoops! Looked at the first set of DVII decals, didn't see Volker's ones hidden right at the bottom of the page. Great work Volker - look forward to seeing more OT stuff. Unfortunately I've already got more sets of DVII decals than I will ever use so will pass on these but do await more OT releases with bated breath. BTW, talking of decals brings me to this thought. We all go on about the unbuilt kit pile, but what about the decal pile? I seem to have gotten into the habit of buying OT decals whenever I find them (at shows or in those big boxes in shops) just because a) I might need them and b) you know these things are difficult to get. I have tons of lozenge (from three different manufacturers) in both 1/72 and 1/48 (and that's after I got rid of the Aeromaster stuff!) plus at least 30 - 40 other decal sheets. Is this a common affliction? I probably have as much cash invested in decals as I do in kits! Cheers, Nigel R ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 15:19:25 EST From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Flashback? Message-ID: In a message dated 01/01/02 19:48:36 GMT Standard Time, nigelch@cheffers.co.uk writes: << http://home.clara.net/neilscrim/Speakers_Corner/speakers_corner.html >> Thanks for that link Nigel. I am bound to say he speaks a lot of sense because I am in broad agreement with what he says, certainly with regard to the standard of judging. But the author also suggests that the Nats should be more like the Model Engineer Exhibition and the rules changed accordingly. No. The Model Engineer Exhibition is there for anyone who wishes to enter. The IPMS nats are for a different kind of modeler and should remain so.As I hope I hinted at this in my earlier submission, I would want to resist any tendency for the competition to become the reason for the Nats. It is desperately important to the participants and those with a compulsive desire to organize things (whoever thinks there is such a thing as an organized modeler hasn't been in my loft) , but doesn't matter a hill of beans to a significant number of those attending. I do enter the competitions, but the main attractions for me are meeting my fellow anoraks and the trade stands. It is comforting to know that others may feel the same as I and that I am not just a miserable old codger dribbling into his beard, although I may be that too ;) cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 15:22:46 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: decals are the dirty closet of modelling Message-ID: nigel writes: << Is this a common affliction? >> Yes, but don't say it *so loud* because it's taken all this time to get the missus to get with the kit programme, let alone some thin discussion after gluey sheets... ...did I say that...? louder, Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:26:28 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Hippel DVa "blitz" scheme question Message-ID: <011901c19302$980b9c80$43ad72d4@FRITZweb> So it is, Mark. I guess the Color Profiles of WWI is of italian origin by ' Coordinatore Guiseppe Dicorato' and shows good quality paintings in large scale plus simpler ( 'unshadowed') smaller coloured drawings. The Blitz Albatros there is shown with loz uppersurfaces and pale blue undersurfaces. I wonder where they got their wisdom from. I got mine from the good old Profile on the D. V. On page 10 there is a lozenge Blitz resting on his nose and page 5 shows a intact mauve/green Blitz plus a snow landing of the (same?) machine, also resting on the nose. Give me a 'yes' off-line and I'll sent scans of both pages. Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Miller" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 9:01 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Hippel DVa "blitz" scheme question > On Tue, 01 January 2002, "Hans Trauner" wrote: > > > > > So it is, Mark. And to make it more confusing: What is the fuselage base > > colour? Grey? Silver? Whatever? And be careful: There where at least two (2) > > arrow marked Jasta 5 Albatrose! > > > > Hans > > Ah ha > I assume that this means that there is no definative answer. > Fine by me - > red arrow/grey body it is :-) > BTW - when you say there were 2 arrow marked Jasta 5 AC > do you mean the 2 variants of Hippels "blitz" scheme > One withe Purple/mauve wings and the other with Lozenge upper and Light blue lower? > (as per the book Color Profiles of WW1 Combat Planes) > Or is there another one? > > Thanks Hans > Mark > > > > Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! > http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:30:52 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Flashback? Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD97F@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Warren, > > In IPMS judging, > > the authenticty of the colours is not really high up on the > > list of what judges look for > > Michael, > IIRC, when we started talking about the MisterKit > paints a few > days back, someone mentioned that some judge somewhere would > be likely to > start using them as some kind of benchmark. I seem to recall > some on this > list mentioning the judging of color/colour at contests from > time to time. > I know I have heard friends mention this in person. > Anyway, as I said, it was only one reason amongst many. That was me - and I'm one of those saying that colour *isn't* used as a yardstick in properly conducted judging. However, that doesn't stop the occassional prime idiot - "The Colour Police" - from walking into your club, contest, or home and sneering at your prize model on the basis that you didn't use *his* conception of the official colour. Happily, my club committee would speak to him, or the contest stewards or (in my home) a big fat angry Aussie would chuck him out into the cold - if we had any! Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 15:37:38 -0500 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: RE: IM (was Happy New Year)/again w/decals Message-ID: <000f01c19304$27d7f060$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com> NIGEL SAYS: SNIP ... I seem to have gotten into the habit of buying OT decals whenever I find them ... Is this a common affliction? I probably have as much cash invested in decals as I do in kits! Hi Nigel- Absolutely!!!!!!!!!!! For all the same/correct reasons! Later Tom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:35:56 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Back to scale colour WAS: Flashback? Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD980@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Warren says: > Well, as I said, it was only one reason amongst many. I had > a very bad > model contest experience as a 12 year old kid, and another as > a spectator as > an adult. Niether was an IPMS sponsored event. I am sure > that those that > are sponsored by IPMS most likely have some understandable > rules, and few > unwritten ones that one finds out about only after the > contest is over. I > still have a bad taste in my mouth from historical > reenacting/living history > authenticity contests where the judge(s) quite often were > ignorant of the > subject they were judging than some of the participants. Ahhhh. Yes, I've heard of this sort of show. And I believe even an IPMS sponsored one can fall into that sort of trap (unfortunately) though I have no experience since IPMS is *almost* non-existent in Australia as a contest organiser. Fortunately I've had better experiences, and so long as I'm helping organise shows, as far as I can make it be, so will everyone else. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4021 **********************