WWI Digest 4008 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Lozenge Underbelly Question by "Muth and Zulick" 2) Jasta 2 Decal by "Muth and Zulick" 3) RE: Scale Paints by "Nigel Rayner" 4) RE: What Santa Bought by "Nigel Rayner" 5) re: 1/48 Omega Models Mosca MB bis Kit by Todd Hayes 6) Re: Pfalz monoplanes by "Brent Theobald" 7) RE: Jasta 2 Decal by "Gaston Graf" 8) Re: Lozenge Underbelly Question by "Lance Krieg" 9) Re: Lozenge Underbelly Question by "ot811" 10) Re: MisterScale paints by KnnthS@aol.com 11) Re: she came in through the bathroom window by KnnthS@aol.com 12) HTH was Lozenge Underbelly Question by "Brent Theobald" 13) Fokker CIV in Flight Journal by "Neil Crawford" 14) Re: scale paints by "Fraser May" 15) Re: Big Gotha was Brent's Loot by "Dave Burke" 16) Scale Conversion by "Dave Burke" 17) Volker Down Under by Shane Weier 18) Re: Fokker CIV in Flight Journal by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 19) Opinions wanted: Early Fokkers and Parabellum machineguns. by Kristjan.Runarsson@t-online.de (Kristjan Runarsson) 20) RE: Rigging Triplanes by Shane Weier 21) Re: What did Santa bring by Mark Miller 22) Reference material.. How do you store it all??? by "Ross Moorhouse" 23) castor oil color mix by "Tom Plesha" 24) RE: Ordering directly from Pegasus??? by CoolSpadLuke@aol.com 25) RE: Ordering directly from Pegasus??? by "Laskodi" 26) Rigging Triplanes Thanks/Pegasus ordering by "Neil Eddy" 27) Re: Pfalz monoplanes by Steve Cox 28) Re: scale paints by "Laskodi" 29) Re: scale paints by KarrArt@aol.com 30) RE: Rigging Triplanes Thanks/Pegasus ordering by Shane Weier ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:22:34 -0500 From: "Muth and Zulick" To: Subject: Lozenge Underbelly Question Message-ID: <004e01c18f1c$9a1afa00$0100005a@ptd.net> I'm doing a D VII and trying for a mostly lozenge fuselage. In doing so, a fairly simple question...I believe the under side of the fuselage would be in the "Upper" camo colors, since I sort of remember that oy was like a sheath that was sown along the bottom. Am I correct, or would it be in the "lower: camo colors? tia Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:24:56 -0500 From: "Muth and Zulick" To: Subject: Jasta 2 Decal Message-ID: <005301c18f1c$ee79cae0$0100005a@ptd.net> As a follow up to the last message, I'm doing a 1/72 DVII in Jasta Boelcke colors. I had planned on using the Superscale decal that has a fuselage band in white and black with an ace of spades on each side on on the top. The decals shattered even aafter using some decal film. Anybody out there have the decal and be willing to part with it or trade? Thanks again Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:29:38 -0000 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: RE: Scale Paints Message-ID: <000001c18f1d$96a98480$983bedc1@w1o0t3> Lots of interesting comments from Bucky, Dame Karen, Nigel C-H et al on this subject. As a sworn MisterKit user, I would say that generally their colours look "muted" which I take to be a combination of scale effect and assumption that doped colours (often painted over a base of another colour) would not be as intense as we are used to seeing in typical Humbrol or Testors colours. However, this is not true of all their paints. I used the Jasta 10 yellow today (admittedly on the helmet of the driver for my ot R/C car, sorry), and this is a very bright chrome yellow. Also, their Silbergrau is a very bright grey with no evidence of any silver. So I don't think a specific formula for scale effect has been applied and as with all things OT, it's really up to the builder to decide. I still really like working with the paints and will continue to use them (and mix round the colours I don't like). I'm nearing completion of the MAC Phonix DI, which is looking nice. This is painted in MK paints, and I used their AH Flag Red for a fuselage band. I didn't undercoat, just painted straight on top of the Phonix Medium Brown base colour and this came out very muted. Initially, I didn't like it but when the white "16" was applied to the band it looked very effective and the colour toned well with the rest of the plane. But then I put on the other decals and the black of the kreuzen looked really stark compared to the rest of the plane. As someone else rightly pointed out, decals have no scale effect applied to them. So for me, Dicta Ira still rules. Cheers, Nigel R ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:29:58 -0000 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: RE: What Santa Bought Message-ID: <000101c18f1d$a24774a0$983bedc1@w1o0t3> Hi all, Just surfaced from a great Xmas to catch up on the digests. Sounds like we've all had a pretty good Christmas haul. My OT haul was small (as I already have so much stuff), but was a book (A Few of the First, biogs of several RFC/RNAS pilots) and the weirdest OT gift, a LEGO Sopwith Camel. You heard it right, a Sopwith Camel made entirely of LEGO bricks in a fairly large scale (must be 1/32 ish). My six-year old son is a LEGO fanatic and he and my wife saw this on a trip to LEGOland and thought it would be a bit of fun for me. It certainly will be fun, all I have to do is to stop myself trying to correct it and superdetail it. I wonder if Part have done an etched set for this yet......? BTW, modelling still won out. Main ot haul was a Tamiya 1/10 R/C off road car. Building it now - their engineering is just phenomenal. And don't worry, this is actually OT - my long term goal is to build R/C OT planes, the car is an easy intro to R/C for me. Cheers, Nigel R ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 13:27:25 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re: 1/48 Omega Models Mosca MB bis Kit Message-ID: <20011227212725.95953.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Hi List, Santa visited me Monday in the form of the US Mail and Lubos Vinar. I received two of the new 1/48 Mosca kits. They are beautiful with finely cast resin parts (36), PE (26), and decals. The quality is equal to Spin Models kits with better detail parts. The kits I received were so new that the boxes still have 1/72 printed on the ends! More later. Todd __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:29:59 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Pfalz monoplanes Message-ID: Howdy! I have the E.V from HR in 1/48. It seems pretty nice to me. Certainly buildable. Later! Brent >From: Bob Pearson >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] Re: Pfalz monoplanes >Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:09:22 -0500 (EST) > >I reviewed the HR Model 1/48 Pfalz E.I and E.VI in Internet Modeler a >couple >of months back. . They also list the rest of the monoplanes as available, >or >forthcoming. > >Bob > > > From: "Hans Trauner" > > > P.S: Please be so kind and state the kits you'll use ( or from what you >will > > start) H. I have heard of a series in resin from Czech Rep. but they >didn't > > materialize yet. Correct scale, of course (1/4*). > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 22:31:07 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: Jasta 2 Decal Message-ID: Mike, I cannot help you with the decal but I am curious about the colors of the D.VII. Is it true that J2 D.VII was light blue with the b/w Jasta colors? Kurt Jentsch decribed them that way in his book. Gaston www.jastaboelcke.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Muth > and Zulick > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 10:25 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Jasta 2 Decal > > > As a follow up to the last message, I'm doing a 1/72 DVII in Jasta Boelcke > colors. I had planned on using the Superscale decal that has a > fuselage band > in white and black with an ace of spades on each side on on the top. The > decals shattered even aafter using some decal film. Anybody out there have > the decal and be willing to part with it or trade? > Thanks again > Mike Muth > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:31:43 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Lozenge Underbelly Question Message-ID: Mike wonders about the D.VII: I believe that these are invariably in the undersurface colors, regardless of manufacturer. Note that all the surfaces were separate cuts of fabric, seamed at the longerons. The patterns do not "wrap" around the corners. The bottom piece was then slit and laced. Hope this helps... Heading towards home ... Holiday time - Hurray! Lance ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:34:20 -0500 From: "ot811" To: Subject: Re: Lozenge Underbelly Question Message-ID: <02f001c18f1e$41c3daf0$0800010a@cyberelan.com> Mike, Per Fokker DVII Anthology -1, it is the Upper colour pattern, sewn down the center line on the bottom. regards SSH ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:33:54 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: MisterScale paints Message-ID: (Bob) KarrArt@aol.com writes: << Hey- >> Here's where I end up: "I put the flake from the B-52 next to my model and the flake is *black*" Thereitis: WW1 photography is spot on in B & W. So it's the decal's fault, then. cool. amazed, re-assured and happily painting everything within reach- Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:39:22 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: she came in through the bathroom window Message-ID: <117.a12ef2f.295cef0a@aol.com> mkendix wonders: << wouldn't be able to see myself shaving. >> and you want to? Isn't SWMBO in play here? You have to ask? Match Bob's B-52 paint flake and you can immitate Slim Pickens in Dr. Strangelove while you are shaving. The fog on the mirror is *not* relevant to list discussion, as is *all* of this. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:45:56 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: HTH was Lozenge Underbelly Question Message-ID: Howdy! Lance sings: >Hope this helps... Heading towards home ... Holiday time - Hurray! uh-oh! He's been in that booze he received for Christmas and he's heading towards the Felixstowe! :-) Brent _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 23:04:28 +0100 From: "Neil Crawford" To: "ww1 list" Subject: Fokker CIV in Flight Journal Message-ID: <000501c18f22$75267840$f2c297d4@default> I think I bought that issue, and if I bought it, as skinty as I am, then it must have been good. I couldn't find it, so my friend who I swap mags with is probably hogging it, which is usually also a sign of a good mag. There has been an article on that Fokker in Aeroplane Monthly, but the one in Flight Journal was better I think, I think there was some other good stuff in that mag, but I bought it solely for that gorgeous Fokker. /Neil C. Does anyone have this? It's the one with the Fokker CIV article. I want to order it as a back issue but they want $10 post for a single magazine and I'd like to know if it's worth it before I shell out. cheers Peter L ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 23:30:41 +0100 From: "Fraser May" To: Subject: Re: scale paints Message-ID: <006301c18f26$7929db40$b17914d4@m1i9c9> > > So presumably that's how Dr. Who painted the inside of the TARDIS, only more > extreme. > No, That's a very special Multi- Dimensional paint...I know (Bragging) I worked on a series of the show.....:)))) Timeandspace warpidly, Fraser ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:47:14 -0600 From: "Dave Burke" To: Subject: Re: Big Gotha was Brent's Loot Message-ID: <001401c18f28$6eca4ca0$aa3eea41@s0024008072> > Howdy! > > The prodigal DB asks: > >WHAT BIG GOTHA? > > Why, the only big Gotha of merit. Eric's G.III. You didn't think I was > scratching one in 1/32 or 1/28 did you? > > Later! > > Brent > Seeing what silly buggers are on this List, I would not have been surprised. DB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:53:42 -0600 From: "Dave Burke" To: Subject: Scale Conversion Message-ID: <000701c18f29$55c9bc80$aa3eea41@s0024008072> Hey Y'all, I used to have a scale calculator on my old computer (which died). I DID LOOK AT THE WEBSITE - but the scale conversion table doesn't cover 1/28 scale. So, does anyone have the link to that nifty Scale Calculator? TIA!! DB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 08:49:48 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwim'" Subject: Volker Down Under Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD95C@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Hi all, Volker Häusler and his lovely wife and sons visited me again last night. He's on the last leg of his second tour of Australia, now heading back to Sydney to fly back to Malaysia. By all accounts (gleaned over a meal, wine and Thirsty Dog beer) he's had a good time aside from a (ahem) minor run-in with the Queensland constabulary over driving a little faster than generally allowed in an effort to catch an earlier ferry to one of the island resorts on the Great Barrier Reef. He also showed me some of the photos taken of OT aircraft at the Australian War Memorial; of the Vickers Vimy G-EAOU (the real one, not the replica) in Adelaide and of the Harry Butler Bristol M.1 about another half day driving further west. Another good night spent with a listee. As ever, highly recommended Finally, Volker asked me to pass on his belated Christmas wishes and early New Years salutations to the list ! Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 17:52:01 EST From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Fokker CIV in Flight Journal Message-ID: <16d.64e3a33.295d0011@aol.com> Thanks Neil, looks like I may have to bite the bullet. I wonder if anyone has the Aeroplane monthly you mention. cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 00:24:34 +0100 From: Kristjan.Runarsson@t-online.de (Kristjan Runarsson) To: Subject: Opinions wanted: Early Fokkers and Parabellum machineguns. Message-ID: <001101c18f2d$a5a3f2d0$ea8dfea9@kristjar> I am working on a Fokker E.I and wanted to do one of the really early ones that is Serials 1, 2 and 3/15 So I have three questions: 1) Has anyone seen photos of these birds? What sort of machine guns did they carry? I am pretty certain they carried Parabellums and not MG 08s but I lack confirmation. I only have photos of 5, 8 and 12/15. and those two all carried Parabellums except 8/15 which was apparently the first one to carry an MG 08. 2) Did 1, 2 and 3/15 carry the same style of serial number as 5 and 8 /15 and was the serial in the same place? On a different note: 3) How reliable was the Parabellum as an observers gun compared to the Lewis?? Harry Woodman in his book "Early Aircraft Armament" did not seem to have a partickularly high opinion of the reliability of the Lewis. He stated that it tended to jam, had a fragile magazine and the barrel tended to lose its temper after sustained firing. **Has anybody seen comparable Critique of the Parabellum???** Cheers KR Heavens to Betsy!! Only my second post and I am allready on topic!! ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 09:26:20 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Rigging Triplanes Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD95E@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Neil asked: > What I was wondering was what do the > wise ones on > the list do to ensure that their rigging passes through the wing in a > straight line? Whilst I thumb my nose at the concept of being a "wise one" I present to you "Weier's Untested Theory #1" Assemble aircraft with lower wing complete and painted. Paint the upper wing complete but not the middle. Assemble the aircraft using white glue and/or a jig and check that the Eduard dimples are at least near the right place.Disassemble and drill a rather larger than necessary hole as close to the correct point as possible. Reassemble in jig, this time including rigging made from stainless stell wire or fine brass rod. Fill the holes with miliput. When dry, disassemble, remove rod (cut near one side, then pull through) and finish surfaces. The real thing has a patch at this point which might be represented by painted decal (and incidentally help hide any blemish) Paint centre wing, reassemble using your choice of glue and this time rig with your final choice of rigging material. FWIW I'm confident this would work for me since I make purpose built jigs for every aircraft I build, and I have a long history of practice at restoring holes drilled too big or in the wrong damn place :-( but it mightn't be much help to anyone else Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 27 Dec 2001 15:38:47 -0800 From: Mark Miller To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: What did Santa bring Message-ID: <20011227233847.21627.cpmta@c016.snv.cp.net> I'm afraid I got nothing OT But, to be honest, my backlog of unmade models is so ridiculously huge that even I can't justify adding to it. Closest thing to a model is the new Lord of the Rings Game. It's a table top game which is very similar to Warhammer. The boys are excited to play since seeing the movie so I will be busy painting an endless stream of figures. Maybe it will be enough to get me back into some REAL modeling. Other than that, just a bunch of clothes :-( I shouldn't complain - that's what I asked for Mark Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:39:21 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Reference material.. How do you store it all??? Message-ID: <007201c18f2f$b7c28ce0$330fcecb@umber> This is something that really goes against my slobbish self. Storing reference material in a way that I can retrieve it with little or no fuss. I prefer to have all my magazines etc. piles up in heaps and I have to rabbit through them to find an article that may have the info I want. Also I hate cutting up my magazines so I can store all the OT stuff in one folder. So would you cut up your magazines to keep the OT stuff? Would you store this then say in a folder system ? Please help one addicted to slobbish storage methods. ;-) Cheers Ross ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 18:46:59 -0500 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: castor oil color mix Message-ID: <000701c18f30$c71aa960$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com> Hi All- Could anyone suggest what color(s) I can mix with a yellow in order to be able to suggest a burnt castor oil tint to the rotary engine. For tinting like this I usually mix 1 drop of color to about 1/3 cup of thinner for the wash and spray as many thin coats as needed. TIA Tom ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 18:46:15 EST From: CoolSpadLuke@aol.com To: Subject: RE: Ordering directly from Pegasus??? Message-ID: I ordered the Bristol M.1C through the Pegasus website on December 10th and received it today, a little longer than usual - - due to the heavy holiday mail traffic, I suppose. I have had good results in ordering directly from Pegasus. Mike Kavanaugh Tom wrote: > > I've been trying to order some decals directly from Pegasus > > for a bout = > > five weeks now. It's been two weeks since the last time I > > tried and the = > > charges still haven't shown up on my bankcard. Anyone else > > have this = > > slow of service from them? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:48:36 -0800 From: "Laskodi" To: "WWI List Post" Subject: RE: Ordering directly from Pegasus??? Message-ID: <000d01c18f31$011e0a80$2f3819d0@f4hn201> I have ordered many, many, many times from Pegasus/Blue Max. Service has varied widely, from excellent to very bad, from a week to two months! The good news is that they do not usually charge your credit card until it ships so other than never receiving an order there is no risk. HTH ----------Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:59:00 +1100 From: "Neil Eddy" To: Subject: Rigging Triplanes Thanks/Pegasus ordering Message-ID: <000901c18f32$753db680$63ca32d2@mannock> Hi All; Thanks everyone for the very helpful replies re triplane rigging. I'll try some type of template as per the advice and see how it goes. Also how accurate are the Datafile plans when it comes to showing rigging points? I'm in Lurk today at home, so I will have to reply to any comments when the Digests come in. Also regarding Pegasus ordering, I have ordered direct from Chris on three or four occasions and each time the service has been relatively quick. Quite possibly your parcel is held up in a Christmas jam maybe. Have you tried e-mailing him? Chris and Sara generally get back to you pretty quickly I've found. All the Best Neil E. PS: Shane has an article in the latest issue of "ModelArt Australia" on the Queensland Model Expo - Good one Shane - but where was the OT (or were you hiding your bias?) : ) N. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 23:59:17 +0000 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Re: Pfalz monoplanes Message-ID: Hans, the A.I is the Scaleplanes vac, it's at the stage of marking the ribs (if necessary) before assembling wing to fuselage. I not long ago finished the same kit as the MOS Type L. The E.IV is the ICM kit, and the E.V is the HR resin. This I'm building for Brent for the Roll Models site. He sent me the Part E.IV etch brass as well. It's a double first for me, never done resin or brass before. Oh, by the way, correct scale is 1/72nd :-) Steve =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html http://www.bramptonscalemodelclub.fsnet.co.uk If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ > From: "Hans Trauner" > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 13:28:08 -0500 (EST) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: Pfalz monoplanes > > Steve, > the best source seems to be 'Pfalz Aircraft of WWI' from Flying Machines > Press, by Jack Herris. > I took a short survey to verify your views. I came to the opinion if there > are black edges than there are black rip tapes also. The rib tapes are small > and I do have the feeling that they are sometimes not clear visible due to > lightning conditions, clare and/or shadows of the rips. I would do rip tapes > and edgings in any case. > > Hans > > P.S: Please be so kind and state the kits you'll use ( or from what you will > start) H. I have heard of a series in resin from Czech Rep. but they didn't > materialize yet. Correct scale, of course (1/4*). > > > >> I'm building a series of Pfalz monoplanes, A.I, E.IV and E.V. These are >> usually shown with black edging to the wings, fuselage and tail, and black >> rib tapes. Now in some of the reference pictures I have ( none are top >> quality) there is no evidence of black tapes, whereas the black edging is >> obvious. >> regards >> Steve > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:04:10 -0800 From: "Laskodi" To: "WWI List Post" Subject: Re: scale paints Message-ID: <001501c18f33$2db31660$2f3819d0@f4hn201> IMNSHO, the whole idea of adding white (or whatever color you choose) to make a "scale" paint is completely bogus and without any scientific merit. While the perceived color will certainly change with distance, there are a billion of other factors affecting the color perceived (that are in fact more important, such as the light illuminating angle) and there is NO "simple" solution such as adding 33% white. To test this idea you can perform the following easy experiment to prove this idea is baloney. Take a square foot piece of cardboard and paint it your favorite color. Take another piece and add whatever you think is the "correct" "scale" color. Place the painted one 48 feet away (you dinky scalars can use 72 feet!) and the "scale" color one foot away and compare the colors. You will observe the obvious, they are no where near the same perceived color! This "scale" paint idea was conceived by "anal" modelers to confuse others! -----------Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 19:31:05 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: scale paints Message-ID: <4e.4174fa3.295d1749@aol.com> In a message dated 12/27/01 4:06:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, laskodi@launchnet.com writes: << IMNSHO, the whole idea of adding white (or whatever color you choose) to make a "scale" paint is completely bogus and without any scientific merit.>> Don't know about science (ok...welll....maybe a little bit), but if you order a bucket of real PC10 through the magic time machine chute and put it on you model, it's gonna look wierd, dark and scary. I do agree that just dumping white in most colors doesn't really do the trick, and some colors seem just fine left alone, but generally, those darkish camo paints we love are just too dark for model use. <> I agree there's no simple formula, but the test you describe...well, I HAVE done this, (I have a tendency to do things like this).... plus- I repeat- that real B-52 chip, in actuality a light greenish/gray looks almost black next to model. It's the same test. There ARE a lot of factors at play here, and the whole subject can get complex, but there is much merit to playing around with colors so one's SE5a model doesn't disappear into a black hole. And the greatest merit from this playing around is it's fun! RK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:33:17 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Rigging Triplanes Thanks/Pegasus ordering Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD95F@mimhexch1.mim.com.au> Neil, > PS: Shane has an article in the latest issue of "ModelArt > Australia" on the > Queensland Model Expo - Good one Shane - but where was the OT > (or were you hiding your bias?) : ) I do? Ahhhh, at last. Actually, the editor was our guest for Expo'01 and *he* took all the photos. Unfortunately Frank is apparently *not* a WW1 fan - in other years when *I* took the photos and included WW1 stuff, he invariably chose other photos! The contest secretary and I then put together the details of kit/subject/builder and I wrote the text. Couldn't think of a way to bring OT into it when the pictures were all ot. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4008 **********************