WWI Digest 3999 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Happy Holidays by Shane Weier 2) RE: Hanriot, Shane (OT), LOTR (ot) by Shane Weier 3) RE: Happy Holidays by KnnthS@aol.com 4) RE: Support your local hobby shop by Shane Weier 5) RE: Happy Holidays by Shane Weier 6) Re : Alb. DIII (636/17)? by "cameron rile" 7) Re: The people have spoken ... But didn't buy... by "Michael Kendix" 8) Hanriot Tail Photos by "Steven Perry" 9) Re: Hanriot Tail Photos by "Steven Perry" 10) Aeromaster SSW Scan please by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 11) Re: Aeromaster SSW Scan please by KnnthS@aol.com 12) Re: Aeromaster SSW Scan please/again by "Tom Plesha" 13) Re: Revell Re: ot Do18 by "Hans Trauner" 14) Merry Xmas by "Pedro Soares" 15) Re: Aeromaster SSW Scan please/again by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 16) Peter Crow Again by "Pedro Soares" 17) Top search engine found!! was Re: Alb. DIII (636/17)? by "Hans Trauner" 18) Dave Vosburg by "Pedro Soares" 19) Re: Re : Alb. DIII (636/17)? by "Hans Trauner" 20) Season's Greetings by "Nigel Rayner" 21) Re: Top search engine found!! was Re: Alb. DIII (636/17)? by David Fleming 22) RE: Top search engine found!! was Re: Alb. DIII (636/17)? by Shane Weier 23) Joyez Noel by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 24) Re: Season's Greetings by "Dave Burke" 25) Attention Aussie Modellers - Harry Cobby's 'Charlie Chaplin' marking by "James Fahey" 26) Re: Attention Aussie Modellers - Harry Cobby's 'Charlie Chaplin' marking by "Ross Moorhouse" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 22:48:43 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Happy Holidays Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD940@MIMHEXCH1> Neil, > I'm unsubbing till next year. I'll be digesting > over Christmas. You too? Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 22:53:09 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Hanriot, Shane (OT), LOTR (ot) Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD941@MIMHEXCH1> Myles, > >>(who already sold off his stash to needy listees, but > >>wishes he had a few > >>more to sell for ludicrous amounts on ebay) >> > > Hey Shane, how about one of those Hannovers you have stashed > away?? :) (said knowing how Shane loves those Hannovers.....) LOL I *had* two Eduard Hannovers until about 8 weeks ago, when I sold one of them in desperate need of sufficient pelf to buy the then latest Windsock. The other I have to keep - I've been drooling on it for about 4 years now, sometime soon I'll feel I'm worthy of completing it AFAIR adding the open framework to the rear of aircraft like the Hanriot is pretty simple - at least I did so on the BM Snipe some time ago without pain. Shane > ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 07:56:22 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Happy Holidays Message-ID: Shane writes: << You too? >> Shane-I was thinking of sauntering in your house and casually asking a question *on Christmas Day*.......that'd be worth the 43 hour flight, don'tyathink? Thanks for your help this year, Mate. Have a Very Good One- Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 23:01:02 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Support your local hobby shop Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD942@MIMHEXCH1> Ken asks: > where I picked up an MPM Hansa Brandenburg W.29. It looks to be well > molded, good surface detail and no flash. Too bad it's in > dinky scale, but then I just said I bought it, not that I was actually gonna > build it. ;) > > Any comments on the accuracy of this kit? I wrote a 5 part build article on list about 4-5 years ago (blimey) Al was nice enough to post it on the web site, so have a look there. http://www.wwi-models.org/misc/reviews/W29.html As I recall, it's pretty good, and looks the part when done Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 23:12:15 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Happy Holidays Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD943@MIMHEXCH1> Ken says: > Shane-I was thinking of sauntering in your house and casually > asking a question *on Christmas Day*.......that'd be worth the > 43 hour flight, don'tyathink? > > Thanks for your help this year, Mate. > Have a Very Good One- Thank you. Joking aside - if *any* listee ever passes through Brisbane without dropping in to pass the time of day I shall be very hurt. *Even* if it should be Christmas Day. Incidentally, I have high hopes that listee Volker H. will visit me on Wednesday as he travels down our coast. Volker visited in January(?) and loaned me some books which I still have, so he has a good excuse to break his journey and consume some refreshing ales while we discuss the rest of you behind your backs ;-) And to you Ken, and the rest of my friends all over the globe, I give my very best wishes. It doen't matter whether you believe or not, whether it's a holiday for you or not, for *me* this is an occasion for counting *my* many blessings, amongst which is this list, and the kind, generous and humourous folk who make it. Merry Christmas, all. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 08:18:23 -0500 From: "cameron rile" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re : Alb. DIII (636/17)? Message-ID: <1D90D7FFA17CAD34EB1E797B19B70246@cameron.prontomail.com> >I need to know if anyone has any info/photos >on this "much-photographed" aircraft of >Oberleutnant Ditmar Have a look at the www.awm.gov.au photographic database, there are several pics there. I have some more that I have collected from various sources as well. >Anyone know what became of it? 1 Sqn and 111 Sqn flew it around for a bit, IIRC the radiator was holed which was the main reason fro him coming down. So easy to fix back to flying condition. I dont know it's ultimate fate. cam ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 15:07:28 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: The people have spoken ... But didn't buy... Message-ID: >From: Shane Weier > > > Dave Who??? > >Badoom! Give the man his kewpie doll ! Shane: Somehow, Mr. Not-So-Very-Merriman is serving in a significant way at the forthcoming U.S. Nationals in Virginia Beach. His "Request" for volunteers to give program seminars can only be viewed as "strange", given he was asking for people to help him - you would have thought he was giving away Peerages, for how grateful somebody ought to have been to have served him in that capacity. Not that I have anything to contribute at that level, but it's hard not to be turned off by such dopiness. I try to minimize my aggravation quotient so I avoid dealing with such. What's more because I am not volunteering, I feel I shouldn't complain but I still do. Actually, I may do some On-the-job-training as a judge but that's more for self-edification than my being altruistic. Besides, you are allowed to peep behind that draped-off display area with the "Beware electric shock" sign!! _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:47:36 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Hanriot Tail Photos Message-ID: <007901c18aff$faa9a540$61e82341@tampabay.rr.com> A year or so ago, sometime after the 1999 Pensacola OTF seminar, I had some photos of the Hanriot hanging in the Anval Aviation museum. I recall sending some to someone who was building an Hanriot at the time. One photo was of the open frame at the tail. Said photos are no longer accessable to me and I was wondering if anyone still has a copy? TIA sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:51:44 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Hanriot Tail Photos Message-ID: <008101c18b00$8e25fe40$61e82341@tampabay.rr.com> the Anval Aviation museum Naval Proofreading works better when one wears one's spectacles... sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 12:04:55 EST From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Aeromaster SSW Scan please Message-ID: Does anyone have thw Aeromaster SSW DIII decals and/or instructions? If so I could use a scan showing the style and location of the skull and crossbones on the Swiss example. Can anyone oblige? TIA Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 12:14:35 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Aeromaster SSW Scan please Message-ID: <81.152b78ad.2956197b@aol.com> Peter writes: << Can anyone oblige? >> Peter, I have the Flashback kit that shows placement on instruction sheet, if that would help--let me know and I'll see what I can do with scanner. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 13:27:27 -0500 From: "Tom Plesha" To: Subject: Re: Aeromaster SSW Scan please/again Message-ID: <000f01c18b16$4f550d80$2cfdfa18@mcmb1.mi.home.com> Hi Peter- If you like, I can scan the Aeromaster color Profiles along with the decals. Send me an e-mail off list and I'll reply with the scans. Later Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 12:06 PM Subject: [WWI] Aeromaster SSW Scan please > Does anyone have thw Aeromaster SSW DIII decals and/or instructions? If so I > could use a scan showing the style and location of the skull and crossbones > on the Swiss example. Can anyone oblige? > > TIA > > Peter L > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 19:32:12 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Revell Re: ot Do18 Message-ID: <002501c18b16$f8fa9e40$fe78a8c0@FRITZweb> > Is the HUMA wal a Do 24? No, Rory! It's a Do 15. Huma themself called it a JII ( could also be found in the squadrom.com search machine with this designation). I could not tell you the differences between a Do 15 and a JII, but I suspect the Do 15 is the military version and the J II the Dornier works designation. In 1933 the 8-t-Wal ( 8-tonnes-Whale) was redesigned for military use and called Miltär-Wal-33. After introduction of the RLM designation system it was called Do 15. Hans ( No, I am not a RLM expert nor member of any other Luftwaffe circles. I simply have taken this from Kens-Nowarra's Die deutschen Flugzeuge 1933-1945) > > Hans Trauner wrote: > > > I don't think so. Remember the Matchbox Do 18! And if my memory does not > > fail (again) Matchbox moulds are handled now by Revell Germany. There are > > several releases, already. > > > > The same with DML/Dargon. Don't be to sure that it'll be the DML D VII! As > > already said it could be the Aurora also! > > > > Hans > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rory Goodwin" > > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 6:06 AM > > Subject: [WWI] Re: ot Do18 > > > > > This may be the Huma toolings; if so, this will be a great kit and > > > perhaps more affordable. > > > > > > Crawford Neil wrote: > > > > > > > I was looking through the latest Revell catalogue > > > > and saw they have announced a Do18, so what, I hear you all say, > > > > but I was thinking it looks very much like a Dornier Super Wal > > > > , which gets it much closer to OT. Could any of you Golden-Age > > > > people tell me if there is any potential for a civil conversion > > > > to one of these? Maybe I should just wait for next years Revell > > > > catalogue and it will be there in Lufthansa markings. > > > > Answer off-list if you feel like it. > > > > /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 18:40:51 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Merry Xmas Message-ID: <006f01c18b18$2e7ffbe0$0f7316d5@netcabo.pt> Gang, Whatever your persuasion, may you have the best of holidays and may peace, love and god health overflow from your socks. Feliz Natal e um Próspero Ano Novo to you all. What is the matter with Dave Fletcher?! He hasn't yet shown his truly multi-lingual capabilities this year... Dave, are you there? Um abraço Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 13:47:06 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: Aeromaster SSW Scan please/again Message-ID: <000901c18b19$0ee07980$1a38183f@cyrixp166> Careful......remember Jastagate. Cyg. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Plesha To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 1:28 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Aeromaster SSW Scan please/again > Hi Peter- > If you like, I can scan the Aeromaster color Profiles along with the decals. > Send me an e-mail off list and I'll reply with the scans. > Later > Tom > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 12:06 PM > Subject: [WWI] Aeromaster SSW Scan please > > > > Does anyone have thw Aeromaster SSW DIII decals and/or instructions? If so > I > > could use a scan showing the style and location of the skull and > crossbones > > on the Swiss example. Can anyone oblige? > > > > TIA > > > > Peter L > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 18:45:40 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Peter Crow Again Message-ID: <00b901c18b18$dab426c0$0f7316d5@netcabo.pt> Sorry for insisting. But one of you MUST have Pete's e-mail....the one I have bounces. Thanks Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 19:58:55 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Top search engine found!! was Re: Alb. DIII (636/17)? Message-ID: <002b01c18b1a$b4d5b700$fe78a8c0@FRITZweb> Rory, sometimes altavista.com makes good results. I searched for +albatros +636/17 and found http://www.xtv16.dial.pipex.com/d1d11.html (which involves a number of well knows list members..) which let me to: http://www.awm.gov.au/index_flash.asp AMAZING!! Take a look to the photograph search engine and look for the following negatives or simply type 'albatros'. It will keep ypu busy for a few minutes... Negatives ( all from 637/17) A04126, A04129, A0414, A05005, A05017, A05017, H03816, J02258 , J02259, J02259, P00730.019 , P01184.023 , P01184.024 , P01184.025 , P01184.026 (radiator re-fitted; fated camouflage visible), P02413.049, P02413.050 , P02413.050 ( the Profile-photo!), P02544.004, Now you understand why it was called 'much photographed...'. BTW, I have Gray & Thetford. Which pic exactly to you need? Contact me off-line. Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rory Goodwin" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 6:42 AM Subject: [WWI] Alb. DIII (636/17)? > I need to know if anyone has any info/photos on this "much-photographed" > aircraft of Oberleutnant Ditmar other than what is in C&C 16/1 and > Profile # 127. It was apparently shot/forced down intact by Lt. R. C. > Steele in his Brisfit near Beersheba on 8 October 1917 and captured by > Anzac Cavalry. Anyone know what became of it? > > Appears to have CDL rudder and very blonde natural ply fuselage, very > *light* colored (painted lt. gray?)exhaust manifold (could be due to > light oxidation and bright mid-day desert) w/radiator offset to > starboard and flare cartridge/pistol rack on starbord side of fuselage, > no personal or squadron markings. I'm assuming brown/dk. > green/brunswick green (as it was in the second batch ordered in Feb. > 1917) or, conjecturally, all faded red-brown uppersurfaces for > Palestine theater. > > If anyone has a spare moment in the next couple weeks, I'm looking to > swap scans for the picture on pg. xviii of Thetford and Gray's German > Aircraft book and/or photo on pg. 286 of C&C 12/13 1971... > > Merry Chrismas, Happy Holidays, etc. > > Rio(rdan) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 18:54:04 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Dave Vosburg Message-ID: <011b01c18b1a$072413e0$0f7316d5@netcabo.pt> Sorry for pestering you guys, But Dave's address isn't working either and he isn't currently subscribed. Does anyone know how he can be contacted? Thanks Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 20:01:23 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Re : Alb. DIII (636/17)? Message-ID: <004701c18b1b$0cdef240$fe78a8c0@FRITZweb> I should read *all* postings before I answer.... Great page, Cameron! Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "cameron rile" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 2:17 PM Subject: [WWI] Re : Alb. DIII (636/17)? > >I need to know if anyone has any info/photos > >on this "much-photographed" aircraft of > >Oberleutnant Ditmar > > Have a look at the www.awm.gov.au photographic > database, there are several pics there. I have > some more that I have collected from various > sources as well. > > >Anyone know what became of it? > > 1 Sqn and 111 Sqn flew it around for a bit, IIRC > the radiator was holed which was the main reason > fro him coming down. So easy to fix back to > flying condition. I dont know it's ultimate fate. > > > > > cam > > ______________________________________________________________ > Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 19:41:53 -0000 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: Season's Greetings Message-ID: <000001c18b20$b50e1d60$983bedc1@w1o0t3> Hi all, Season's greetings to all, keep well, keep healthy and have a great time with your families. Unless of course you're DB, in which case his great times may involve motorbikes and girls under the age of 30. Jealous, moi? Let's hope 2002 is more positive from a global perspective than 2001 but at least let's keep the Fellowship of the List going strong. Now that sounds like a good name for a movie.... Cheers, Nigel R ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 20:54:26 +0000 From: David Fleming To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Top search engine found!! was Re: Alb. DIII (636/17)? Message-ID: <3C24F302.BB10F502@dial.pipex.com> Hans Trauner wrote: > Rory, sometimes altavista.com makes good results. I searched for > +albatros +636/17 and found > > http://www.xtv16.dial.pipex.com/d1d11.html (which involves a number of well > knows list members..) > which let me to: Strangely, that was a trial page for the cook up one !! I must update both now I have found another captured one !! D ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 07:09:05 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Top search engine found!! was Re: Alb. DIII (636/17)? Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD945@MIMHEXCH1> Hans remarks > which let me to: > > http://www.awm.gov.au/index_flash.asp AMAZING!! > Take a look to the photograph search engine and look for the following > negatives or simply type 'albatros'. It will keep ypu busy for a few > minutes... > The AWM collection is well worth a look at any time. I believe it's one of the largest in the world, and if anyone can find any similar institution which has brought a collection of such size into the internet age , I'll trouble you for their URL Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 16:45:29 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Joyez Noel Message-ID: <003c01c18b31$fa027d10$2a38183f@cyrixp166> My friends, May you all have a joyous holiday season. I don't think I'll be getting any OT gifts, but I would like to live vicariously so let me know what kind of loot you got! Regards, John Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 18:11:22 -0600 From: "Dave Burke" To: Subject: Re: Season's Greetings Message-ID: <001301c18b46$5bd8f000$74121a3f@s0024008072> > Hi all, > > Season's greetings to all, keep well, keep healthy and have a great time > with your families. Unless of course you're DB, in which case his great > times may involve motorbikes and girls under the age of 30. Jealous, moi? Hey, I do have a family - during the Holidays, they actually claim me as one of their own! But the part about babes 'n' bikes is pretty close. You left out WWI modeling!! Cheers Nigel! DB ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 14:17:39 +1300 From: "James Fahey" To: Subject: Attention Aussie Modellers - Harry Cobby's 'Charlie Chaplin' marking Message-ID: <006f01c18b4f$9d9eecc0$9f91a7cb@computer> Merry Christmas All Can any of the Aussie contingent enlighten me regarding the colours of Harry Cobby's Charlie Chaplin figure mounted on the fuselage of his Camel? I believe the RAAF Museum at Point Cook, Victoria, has the original aluminium cutout figure. I have a black and white picture from Kookaburra's book, but I am curious to know the colours used. Perhaps one of you can give me an email address for the museum for me to contact them directly. Thanks heaps. James ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 12:30:48 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Attention Aussie Modellers - Harry Cobby's 'Charlie Chaplin' marking Message-ID: <002e01c18b51$75e46a00$1611cecb@umber> I cant but for sure Cam will be able to shed some colour on the question for you. :) Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Fahey" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 12:23 PM Subject: [WWI] Attention Aussie Modellers - Harry Cobby's 'Charlie Chaplin' marking | Merry Christmas All | Can any of the Aussie contingent enlighten me regarding the colours of Harry | Cobby's Charlie Chaplin figure mounted on the fuselage of his Camel? I | believe the RAAF Museum at Point Cook, Victoria, has the original aluminium | cutout figure. I have a black and white picture from Kookaburra's book, but | I am curious to know the colours used. Perhaps one of you can give me an | email address for the museum for me to contact them directly. Thanks heaps. | James | | | ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3999 **********************