WWI Digest 3989 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Forum (was Karen's Polish Albatros) by "Brian Nicklas" 2) Re: Forum (was Karen by tbittners@sprintmail.com 3) Vimy wings by "Diego Fernetti" 4) RE: The people have spoken ... Polls at Hyperscale.. by "Lance Krieg" 5) RE: The people have spoken ... Polls at Hyperscale.. by tbittners@sprintmail.com 6) Re: SPAD Question by "ZELNICK, KENNETH T" 7) MisterKit Paints by tbittners@sprintmail.com 8) RE: Ardpol DH9 by "Nigel Rayner" 9) Re: MisterKit Paints by "ibs4421" 10) Re: SPAD Question by "Ken Acosta" 11) Re: SPAD question by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 12) RE: The people have spoken ... Polls at Hyperscale.. by Todd Hayes 13) Re: Kodak moments for the teens by KnnthS@aol.com 14) RE: The people have spoken ... Polls at Hyperscale.. by KnnthS@aol.com 15) RE: The people have spoken ... Polls at Hyperscale.. by "Steven Perry" 16) RE: Ardpol DH9 by "Ross Moorhouse" 17) RE: The people have spoken ... Polls at Hyperscale.. by "Steven Perry" 18) RE: MisterKit Paints by "Graham Hunter" 19) Re: MisterKit Paints by "Hans Trauner" 20) RE: The people have spoken ... Polls at Hyperscale.. by KnnthS@aol.com 21) Re: SPAD question by KnnthS@aol.com 22) Re: Vimy wings by "Pedro Soares" 23) Re: MisterKit Paints by KnnthS@aol.com 24) Re: SPAD question by John_Impenna@hyperion.com 25) Re: Availability of Eduard releases was:: Ho, Ho, ho, by Shane Weier 26) Re: The people have spoken ... Polls at Hyperscale.. by GRBroman@aol.com 27) Re: SPAD question by "Hans Trauner" 28) Update to the AFV BBQ site... by "Ross Moorhouse \(AFV BBQ\)" 29) Re: Update to the AFV BBQ site... by "Brian Nicklas" 30) Re: SPAD question by "Shannon Mark" 31) Re: SPAD question by KnnthS@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:16:26 -0500 From: "Brian Nicklas" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Forum (was Karen's Polish Albatros) Message-ID: You mean there is another WWI model forum besides this one? I'll never keep up - I can't build fast enough as it is! How do you guys stay on so many lists and forums and still build? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:20:39 -0500 (EST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Forum (was Karen Message-ID: <20011218192039.C6073467CC@eclipse.qis.net> --NewMail73c1f9707b760c Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:18:35 -0500 (EST), Brian Nicklas wrote: > I'll never keep up - I can't build fast enough as it is! How do you guys > stay on so many lists and forums and still build? Huh? What'cha say? :-) Do what I do, and only read the ones that interest you. Say, I heard Gaston is back on the list. Is that true? ;-) (tongue firmly planted in cheek) Matt Bittner --NewMail73c1f9707b760c Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="" --NewMail73c1f9707b760c-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:29:39 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Vimy wings Message-ID: <009201c187fa$5636f2e0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Pedro! > Now how shall I do the ribs....I've been reading all the latest > posts on this topic and still haven't made my mind.... suggestions anyone... I did the ribs on my nieuport 28 with painted decal strips. It worked, but maybe is too subtle for a BIG wing (after all even when in the real thing the ribs were subtle, one expects to see more hills and valleys being the wing so large). I'd go with: #1 Casirati method: stretched styrene strips glued to the smooth wing with varnish and then overcoated with more varnish. #2 Skin method: Use the kit wings and cover them with embossed 0.05 styrene only on the upper surfaces. Score paralell lines on the undersides as rib tapes. HTH D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 13:26:27 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: RE: The people have spoken ... Polls at Hyperscale.. Message-ID: Matt opines: "Us 1/72nd builders are standing off to the side, watching the lemmings fall off the cliff..." Yes, but the manufacturers are going to cater to us lemmings, there being so many more. Looks like no little SPADSfor the dink scalers... And for Marcio, some more appropriate Latin: "Vae Victis!" Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:52:31 -0500 (EST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: The people have spoken ... Polls at Hyperscale.. Message-ID: <20011218195231.26D53467CC@eclipse.qis.net> --NewMail73c1f9e7f1a845 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:29:30 -0500 (EST), Lance Krieg wrote: > Looks like no little SPADSfor the dink scalers... Joke's on you! We have two coming so far, both SPAD 7s: one from Omega, and one from Pegasus. :-P``` No SPAD 7 for you Balloon Heads. :-) Matt Bittner --NewMail73c1f9e7f1a845 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="" --NewMail73c1f9e7f1a845-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:04:12 -0600 From: "ZELNICK, KENNETH T" To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: SPAD Question Message-ID: <15888960D28CD211AD1900105A24907803EC9514@ano-exs02.ano.entergy.com> Matt wrote: > I don't have my referenceswith me, but I'm pretty sure Guynemer's had the round wingtips. Thanks Matt. From the photos I found on the web it looked that way to me, but I wanted to confirm it. Does anybody have any ideas about Baracca's, or maybe know the serial # of his mount? Thanks again, Ken Zelnick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 15:12:33 -0500 (EST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: MisterKit Paints Message-ID: <20011218201233.B5476467CC@eclipse.qis.net> --NewMail73c1fa331a6ae4 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Do people on the list know that MisterKit has released new paints? They're within the A-H and German lines, and at least in the German side include such things as Jasta 10 Yellow, Jasta 11 Red, Pfalz Silbergrau, etc. Cool! Matt Bittner --NewMail73c1fa331a6ae4 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="" --NewMail73c1fa331a6ae4-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 20:32:47 -0000 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: RE: Ardpol DH9 Message-ID: <000001c18803$27acccc0$983bedc1@w1o0t3> Ross wrote: >Oh I see they do a DH9... I have one of these and it's a beaut. The only problem I can see is that the tes of the wings are so thin that there are a few places where there are little chips missing which will be very difficult to replace. No clever packaging with this one. >No must put visa card away... Out you come, come on, don't be shy...... Cheers, Nigel R ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:36:33 -0600 From: "ibs4421" To: Subject: Re: MisterKit Paints Message-ID: <00b101c18803$af4e2ca0$783dfad1@ibs4421> These sound good. I bought a bottle of Fokker green/olive to use in my F.1. If that turns out well, I will defiantely buy more in this line. Do you think that the Pfalz Silbergrau would work for the silpfer doped paint on a really pfine Nieuport? :) Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 2:15 PM Subject: [WWI] MisterKit Paints > > --NewMail73c1fa331a6ae4 > Content-Type: text/plain > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > Do people on the list know that MisterKit has released new paints? They're within the A-H and German lines, and at least in the German side include such things as Jasta 10 Yellow, Jasta 11 Red, Pfalz Silbergrau, etc. > > Cool! > > > Matt Bittner > > --NewMail73c1fa331a6ae4 > Content-Type: application/octet-stream; > name="" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > Content-Disposition: attachment; > filename="" > > > --NewMail73c1fa331a6ae4-- > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:51:57 -0600 From: "Ken Acosta" To: , Subject: Re: SPAD Question Message-ID: This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_8FD2A168.B3D2917A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline "I'm starting a SPAD XIII in the markings of either Guynemer or Baracca, = which are the decals that came with the kit. Does anyone know whether = these planes had the rounded or squared wing tips?" Ken- Guynemer's SPAD XIII "S504" definitely had the earlier rounded wing tips. = I can't speak to Baracca's. KA --=_8FD2A168.B3D2917A Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="TEXT.htm"
"I'm starting a SPAD XIII in the markings of either Guynemer or Baracca, which are the decals that came with the kit.  Does anyone know whether these planes had the rounded or squared wing tips?"
 
Ken-
Guynemer's SPAD XIII "S504" definitely had the earlier rounded wing tips.  I can't speak to Baracca's.
 
KA

--=_8FD2A168.B3D2917A-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:05:03 EST From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: SPAD question Message-ID: <2d.158271f3.2951097f@aol.com> In a message dated 18/12/01 18:22:36 GMT Standard Time, KZELNIC@entergy.com writes: << Does anyone know whether these planes had the rounded or squared wing tips? >> Guynemer's XIII had rounded tips, not sure about Baracca. If I can blow my own trumpet (yes I know, again!) I have a page on modeling the XIII on my Guynemer site. It's in the manly scale, but go to http://www.wwimodeler.com/storks.html and select "Model Pages" if you think it might be of help cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 13:05:33 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: The people have spoken ... Polls at Hyperscale.. Message-ID: <20011218210533.62805.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> We've already had two Spad VII's. JMGT (awesome) and Blue Max (so so). Todd --- tbittners@sprintmail.com wrote: > > --NewMail73c1f9e7f1a845 > Content-Type: text/plain > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:29:30 -0500 (EST), Lance > Krieg wrote: > > > Looks like no little SPADSfor the dink scalers... > > Joke's on you! We have two coming so far, both SPAD > 7s: one from Omega, and one from Pegasus. :-P``` > > No SPAD 7 for you Balloon Heads. :-) > > > Matt Bittner > > --NewMail73c1f9e7f1a845 > Content-Type: application/octet-stream; > name="" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > Content-Disposition: attachment; > filename="" > > > --NewMail73c1f9e7f1a845-- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:15:10 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Kodak moments for the teens Message-ID: <157.5f8f29a.29510bde@aol.com> Robert and The Black Adder Rites: << << You (jokingly I guess) said that there were no colour WW1 photos. This isn't true, because there are! >> This all misses the point. None of them were attached to Voss' squadron around the time of the F1. .....foncked again...... -Inspector Clauswitz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:16:04 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: The people have spoken ... Polls at Hyperscale.. Message-ID: <180.f3206b.29510c14@aol.com> In a message dated 18/12/01 10:01:26 am, grzem@yahoo.com writes: << Pity that Diego only draws, not compose... >> Think that's an even break and, *I, for one* will take it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:20:44 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: RE: The people have spoken ... Polls at Hyperscale.. Message-ID: <002d01c18809$db681840$61e82341@tampabay.rr.com> > So how they hanging?? One in front of the other....for speed. sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 08:18:54 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: RE: Ardpol DH9 Message-ID: <006201c18809$b8c9ca40$800dcecb@umber> Leave my visa card alone.. I will have to put the DH9 on the list of "I really want to buy this kit, but it will have to wait." ;-) Don't want to become a kit collector now do I.. Cheers Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel Rayner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 7:30 AM Subject: [WWI] RE: Ardpol DH9 | Ross wrote: | >Oh I see they do a DH9... | | I have one of these and it's a beaut. The only problem I can see is that the | tes of the wings are so thin that there are a few places where there are | little chips missing which will be very difficult to replace. No clever | packaging with this one. | | >No must put visa card away... | | Out you come, come on, don't be shy...... | | Cheers, | | Nigel R | | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:35:11 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: RE: The people have spoken ... Polls at Hyperscale.. Message-ID: <003901c1880b$df7ccb40$61e82341@tampabay.rr.com> ----- > Also note I sit on the fence with scales. I will build in either. :) Depends > n what kit is there and what aircraft it is.. My sentiments exactly. An interesting kit is worth a build regardless of scale. Some subjects lend themselves to one scale or another. I just can't see limiting my fun to one scale. If I want to be limited I can go to work and get paid for it. Besides, being bi-scalar I can enjoy a good 1/72 kit and needle Bittner too. The best of all worlds. sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:35:43 -0600 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: RE: MisterKit Paints Message-ID: <000a01c18803$91391040$770101c0@ghunter> What Scale?? ;-)))) But seriously, Great news Graham ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 23:00:16 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: MisterKit Paints Message-ID: <003701c1880f$60d763a0$cfad72d4@FRITZweb> Do they have Voss' color? H. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 9:15 PM Subject: [WWI] MisterKit Paints > > --NewMail73c1fa331a6ae4 > Content-Type: text/plain > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > Do people on the list know that MisterKit has released new paints? They're within the A-H and German lines, and at least in the German side include such things as Jasta 10 Yellow, Jasta 11 Red, Pfalz Silbergrau, etc. > > Cool! > > > Matt Bittner > > --NewMail73c1fa331a6ae4 > Content-Type: application/octet-stream; > name="" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > Content-Disposition: attachment; > filename="" > > > --NewMail73c1fa331a6ae4-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:01:16 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: The people have spoken ... Polls at Hyperscale.. Message-ID: In a message dated 18/12/01 1:07:52 pm, thayes_52601@yahoo.com writes: << JMGT (awesome) and Blue Max (so so). >> Todd- Can you tell me more about the JMGT kit? Am unaware of that kit or what those 4 letters stand for. I have built 2 BM Spad 7's and am happy enough with them (he has done better kits...). More on JMGT? tia Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:03:57 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: SPAD question Message-ID: <102.de6e202.2951174d@aol.com> In a message dated 18/12/01 1:07:54 pm, LEONARDPeterL@aol.com writes: << http://www.wwimodeler.com/storks.html and select "Model Pages" if you think it might be of help cheers Peter L >> It's a beautiful job, too and I just purchased a 4th kit to try to take aim at your fine work. ....be happy to even come *close* to how good yours looks.... Great Job--had forgotten that was you! Yours is my reference for me fourth! Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 21:53:52 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: Vimy wings Message-ID: <000001c1880f$dc4e71e0$0f7316d5@netcabo.pt> .. > .> > I did the ribs on my nieuport 28 with painted decal strips. It worked, but > maybe is too subtle for a BIG wing (after all even when in the real thing > the ribs were subtle, one expects to see more hills and valleys being the > wing so large). Absolutely. But the hills and valleys on the Vimy were kind of Mindanao/Everest. They just didn't look right. > I'd go with: > #1 Casirati method: stretched styrene strips glued to the smooth wing with > varnish and then overcoated with more varnish. I think I'll go that way too, but instead of stretched strip I'll use stips of .005 thou evergreen. > #2 Skin method: Use the kit wings and cover them with embossed 0.05 styrene > only on the upper surfaces. Score paralell lines on the undersides as rib > tapes. I never felt good about this one, because i find it hard to conceal the seam on the leading edge. But I may give it a try again. The embossed styrene looks just like the real thing. > > HTH Claro que sim. Obrigado. Pedro > D. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:06:08 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: MisterKit Paints Message-ID: In a message dated 18/12/01 12:37:38 pm, ibs4421@commandnet.net writes: << Pfalz Silbergrau would work for the silpfer doped paint on a really pfine Nieuport? :) >> am listening cos I mix my own brew....sorta light on the dust and light on the tone as well. keep me posted, wouldyas? Ken, pfearlessly mixing ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:08:23 -0500 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: SPAD question Message-ID: Hi Folks, Another Spad question: Did Rickenbacker's Spad XIII have the squared-off tips??? Which tips does the 1/28th Revell kit have?? TIA John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 08:13:39 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Availability of Eduard releases was:: Ho, Ho, ho, Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD917@MIMHEXCH1> Shane tY says: > Ahh they're the collector who buys on speculation & tries to > gouge you > on the price on a kit that's just gone out of production for example - > we have those in spades here in Sydney. Rip off merchants *have* been known within sight of the coat hanger.... > Yup have those here - in fact one's a trader that you know - > he's been to the QMHE a few times as well ;-) He hasn't tried that on me. In fact, at the last QMHE I bought 3-4 old vacs from him for $5 the lot. > > I'd love to meet one of these dreamers. As mild and > > inoffensive as I am > > , I suspect that my answer would be just slightly impolite. > > cough, splutter - not while I'm drinking mate ;-) LOL Poor old F4U's eyes just about bugged out when I told him what I thought of his proposed prices for the Roden Gotha a week before last years show. Since he acts as a reseller of Earls stuff and Earl was cheaper even than Andrew at H&MC, asking an extra $15 was a bit rich. By the time he got to Brissy he had a more reasonable price on everything. NOT that I bought one. The Roden Gotha is in 1/teensy scale and one has to keep up ones standards. ;-) Shane tE ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:16:23 EST From: GRBroman@aol.com To: Subject: Re: The people have spoken ... Polls at Hyperscale.. Message-ID: <27.1fefff8e.29511a38@aol.com> In a message dated Tue, 18 Dec 2001 2:04:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, tbittners@sprintmail.com writes: > Definite slacker. If I can find 'em to buy 'em, why can't anyone else? ;-) Hey Matt, next time you pass through, give me a call. You can come over and I'll show you where the rest of those Revell kits are. Maybe if we work together we can corner the market. Bwahahahahaha (by the way, I learned that from you) Glen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 23:26:11 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: SPAD question Message-ID: <009d01c18812$ff6ce500$cfad72d4@FRITZweb> According to the famous 'on-the-wheel-kneeling' pic EVR flew a squared-off type. Seems to be S4523. Hard to judge. To I misinterpret? The 1/28 and the 1/72 Revell models both are the squared variant. Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 11:10 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: SPAD question > > Hi Folks, > Another Spad question: Did Rickenbacker's Spad XIII have the squared-off > tips??? Which tips does the 1/28th Revell kit have?? > TIA > > John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:32:47 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse \(AFV BBQ\)" To: , "Kurt Laughlin" Subject: Update to the AFV BBQ site... Message-ID: <008e01c18813$efe06020$800dcecb@umber> The AFV BBQ site has its first kit reveiw. In-box review of the Interus 3501 MarkV kit. Kurt Laughlin has done a great job on this review. It can be found by following the links from the BBQ Resources page at the AFV BBQ site http://wwi-cookup.com/afv/index.html Cheers Ross ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:40:22 -0500 From: "Brian Nicklas" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Update to the AFV BBQ site... Message-ID: And I see the newest ads in the model mags for Squadron list an Emhar 1/72 A7V. Woo-Hoo !! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 16:45:07 -0600 From: "Shannon Mark" To: Subject: Re: SPAD question Message-ID: <001901c18815$a5ef51e0$661efea9@maincomp> Hunh? My residual Revell kits have rounded wingtips, but have a strut on the leading cabane wire. In fact, I thought something was wrong when, after years of Revell kits, the DML square tips stared me in the face. I'm not sure of the reissue Glencoe kit, but I think the Hawk/Testors kit has rounded, as well. Far as I know, the DML is the only square wingtip XIII out there in major release kits, the Mycroft(?) Merlin kit may, as well, but I have never seen it. .Mark.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Trauner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 4:25 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: SPAD question > According to the famous 'on-the-wheel-kneeling' pic EVR flew a squared-off > type. Seems to be S4523. Hard to judge. To I misinterpret? > > The 1/28 and the 1/72 Revell models both are the squared variant. > > Hans > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 11:10 PM > Subject: [WWI] Re: SPAD question > > > > > > Hi Folks, > > Another Spad question: Did Rickenbacker's Spad XIII have the squared-off > > tips??? Which tips does the 1/28th Revell kit have?? > > TIA > > > > John > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:47:10 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: SPAD question Message-ID: <131.5e67787.2951216e@aol.com> Hans writes: << according to the famous 'on-the-wheel-kneeling' pic EVR flew a squared-off type. Seems to be S4523. >> here's a paragraph from Squadron's 'Spads In Action" American Service The Spad 13 has been celebrated as the mount of such aces as EVR, Frank Luke. >snip< The attention given to Spad 13's overlooks the fact that US Air Service did not receive their Spads until the French had worked out all their problems. By the time Spad 13's entered service w/USAS, they were considered obsolete. Fifteen squadrons were so equipped, many augmented with Spad 7's. In all, 893 13's were delivered to USAS by war's end. >snip< This *suggests* so-called late models, which were square tipped v. early models, which were rounded...though it is possible the French fobbed off a few lemons, early ones perhaps.... This same Squadron pub. is definite about Guymemer's mount being an early rounded-teep one. There are excellent pics in EVR auto-bio and some here @ the List site, in the Photo reference section RE "94th Squadron". (some great shot, btw!) No photo of Luke's entire aircraft exists other than the one most know about. I believe that's one of many, anyway, as he was always getting shot all to hell.... hope this helps- Ken ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3989 **********************