WWI Digest 3984 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Availability of Eduard releases was:: Ho, Ho, ho, by "Ross Moorhouse" 2) Re: British Bombs by "Lance Krieg" 3) RE: Squadron and Roden by Shane Weier 4) Re: Kodak moments for the teens by Shane Weier 5) Re: Availability of Eduard releases was:: Ho, Ho, ho, by "Michael Kendix" 6) RE: Squadron and Roden by "Michael Kendix" 7) Re: Possible SE5a by "Hans Trauner" 8) Re: Kodak moments for the teens by KnnthS@aol.com 9) Re: Marine Fokker EIII by "Hans Trauner" 10) More ebay crazieness by David Fleming 11) RE: Squadron and Roden by "Hans Trauner" 12) Re: FW: AeroWorks Offerings - 16 December 2001 by "Pedro Soares" 13) Re: Something on Brazilian WWI pilots by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 14) RE: Squadron and Roden by "Pedro Soares" 15) Re: ATTENTION NEIL EVERYMAN!!! by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 16) Re: More ebay crazieness by "Dave Burke" 17) Painting Props by Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au 18) Re: FW: AeroWorks Offerings - 16 December 2001 by Shane Weier ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:16:29 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Availability of Eduard releases was:: Ho, Ho, ho, Message-ID: <00c201c18748$7c1301a0$1010cecb@umber> I have meet those who buy old kits. When I say old I mean kits from the 50s-60s. They don't intend to build them at all but put them in their display or to keep them as their value will go up. I haven't heard of them buying the latest released kits for this purpose. They mainly buy old Monogram kits. Or AMT car kits. Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Weier" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 9:11 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: Availability of Eduard releases was:: Ho, Ho, ho, | John says: | | | > Think about this one for a bit, and see if it doesn't account for the | > missing kits. | > There is a group of people in this world who shall remain nameless, | > but they buy far more kits than we ever will. | (snip) | > This group of people are known as collectors. Not modelers with a | > large collection of unbuilt kits, just collectors. | | This got me thinking. I'm forever reading about kit collectors, but every | "collector" I know in person actually intends to build his models, however | far from reality that intent may be. | | I don't doubt that such people exist. What I wonder, and would like to hear | from other Aussie listees, is whether they exist in Australia? | | (Brisbane locals - forget about Neil R. He doesn't buy models to resell at a | profit, just to be first to own one, to open it, decide it isn't accurate, | and sell later at a loss. Meet me at his table at PX'02 ;-) | | Shane | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ********************************************************************** | The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is | intended only for the use of the addressee(s). | If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or | copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to | forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the | MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. | | e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au | phone: Australia 1800500646 | International ++61 7 38338042 | ********************************************************************** | | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 16:17:58 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: British Bombs Message-ID: I've been lurking lately, but wanted to resurface to say "thanks" for the assist on these bombs. And, with DB back, I guess I can expect the volume of mail to increase, so I'll fall even further behind! Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 08:26:20 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Squadron and Roden Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD90A@MIMHEXCH1> Shane tY says: > AHEM!!!!!!!!! The PKZ-2 is Austro-Hungarian NOT German, but > since it's > a Central Powers craft, I'll let ya off ;-). I'll bet Mistress Lorna told you to say that ;-) > Anyway, tis in the scale of gods - so don't complain about it ;-) > > I for one look forward to it complementing the 1/48 Eduard > kit - which may now get finished . New Roden is more accurate if the box art reflects the shape of the plastic parts. Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 08:51:15 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Kodak moments for the teens Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD90B@MIMHEXCH1> Ken > << 'tisn't you know ! >> > > wot's allthis, then?? > You (jokingly I guess) said that there were no colour WW1 photos. This isn't true, because there are! An Australian photographer, Frank Hurley, who is best known for the amazing images he captured in the Antarctic (especially with Shackletons expedition), was a pioneer of colour photography. His photos, in colour, mainly of 1AFC Bristol F.2B and Martinsydes are pretty well known and have been reproduced in a number of Ray Rimells products. Mind you, this thread was kicked along by Neil E being facetious about my photos of an SE-5a taken at the AWM - not the original colour pics that I was talking about at all! Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:01:11 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Availability of Eduard releases was:: Ho, Ho, ho, Message-ID: >From: Shane Weier >This got me thinking. I'm forever reading about kit collectors, but >every >"collector" I know in person actually intends to build his >models, however >far from reality that intent may be. >I don't doubt that such people exist. What I wonder, and would like to > >hear from other Aussie listees, is whether they exist in Australia? Shane: Not in Australia but one of the fellows at my local IPMS simply buys kits and collects them. He wouldn't dream of selling a single one but likes to have them like a stamp or coin collection, I suppose. Really excellent bloke who knows about aircraft and models, plus I can hit hm up for advice about different kits etc. E.g. does the H8K2 have engraved panel lines etc. He has built a special shed in his yard to house them all. Michael _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:15:55 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Squadron and Roden Message-ID: >From: tbittners@sprintmail.com >On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 08:46:15 -0500 (EST), Crawford Neil > wrote: > > > And can someone explain why they issue something as weird as > > a PKZ-2, can that sell? > >That goes along with the rest of the thinking. If it's German, it >will >sell. This pisses me off almost as much as 1946 Luftwaffe. >What's the >point? It's a waste of plastic and we still don't have >injected plastic >SPAD 7s and 13s. Grrr... Matt/Neil: I stick to 1/72nd scale (Wallace & Gromit were an exception) but I have a few points here: 1. We're getting a resin SPAD VII from Omega and a short run injection model from Pegasus, so take your pick. Don't be paranoi about resin warping - I've a Phönix D.III from Artur that's fine and Sandy Adam had a Short 184 in 1/48th scale that is the same, apparently. OK, no SPAD XIII but there's no Sopwith Cuckoo in injection or resin modl either, so get over it - I have:). 2. I'm really pleased they've released a PKZ-2 or whatever it is. We're always asking them to do something "different" and NOT to duplicate what's already been produced. Well, there you go! Why anyone would need an injection mold Caudron G-3 is beyond me. Rosemont does one with a resin fuselage - no need to worry about warpage there - and vac flying surfaces, which are ideal thinness for WW1. OK, so you have to make your own struts - I admit that's a pain. No way I'd criticize Roden for releasing it. Of course, it satisfies my A-H weakness - who knows why an ex-pat English person living in Maryland likes A-H. Perhaps it was my maternal grandmother's family who lived in Cracow - my great uncle had to be prevented from running off and joining the A-H army when he was 15. Michael _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 00:23:04 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Possible SE5a Message-ID: <003b01c18751$c71aaf00$b2ac72d4@FRITZweb> Aurora = Monogram= Revell = same mould Merit = Aurora copy = SMER. There is not much difference at all. There is also a Marusan copy of the Merit copy on the records, but this is very rare, I suspect. But all corrections which are necessary to the Aurora/Monogram are necessary to Merit/Smer. Smer nowadays has good decals, but maybe the Revell's will be even better ( or not?). Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 6:09 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: Possible SE5a > > Hi All; > > Is this Aurora SE5a the same as the SMER?Merit kit? If so its still on the > market, and probably going cheaper than what Revell will market it for..... > > All the Best > > Neil E. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ _____ > NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies immediately. 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This isn't true, because there are! >> Yes, I was joking. No need to guess. I was curious to know if there really *were* any color photographs from 1914-1918. The humor is good-natured. The curiosity is instinctive. Your answer, appreciated. Mind you, kicking along threads is fun. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 00:26:19 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Marine Fokker EIII Message-ID: <006901c18752$3ba631a0$b2ac72d4@FRITZweb> No, Tom I don't think so. To all my knowledge the Marine used the same type system, but only other registration systems. The picture in the DF of the Marine Fokker shows no refuelling cap behind the seat and therefore it should not be a EIII but a EII or EI. Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Gourdie" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 10:47 AM Subject: [WWI] Marine Fokker EIII > > Hans > > Thanks for your comments on the query about marine colours. > > Is it possible that naval Fokkers were in fact EIII but carried a different > designation (ie EI) from those used by the army? > > Just a thought! > > All the best. > > > Tom > > Tom Gourdie > Regional Group Coordinator > Outreach Department > Universities and Colleges Admissions Service > (UCAS) > Registered Office Address : Rosehill > New Barn Lane > Cheltenham > Gloucestershire > GL52 3LZ > UK > E-mail : t.gourdie@ucas.ac.uk > Direct telephone number: +44 (0) 1242 544 878 > Direct fax number: +44 (0) 1242 544 963 > Registered Company No: 2839815 > Registered Charity No: 1024741 > Website: www.ucas.com > > > > > This message is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please > notify us immediately. You may not copy it or use this message for any > purpose or disclose its contents to any other person or take any action > based on them. > > E-Mails are susceptible to interference. UCAS accepts no responsibility for > information, errors or omissions in this e-mail nor for its use or misuse > nor for any act committed or omitted in connection with this communication. > If in doubt, please verify the authenticity of the contents with the sender. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:24:23 +0000 From: David Fleming To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: More ebay crazieness Message-ID: <3C1E7EA7.A4A09B2C@dial.pipex.com> $100 for a Dragon DR1 > And it's not Redaxe this time ! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1675016005 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 00:32:26 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: RE: Squadron and Roden Message-ID: <009301c18753$1602c480$b2ac72d4@FRITZweb> PKZ-"2 . It's *not* german. It's austrian. ;-) To be honest I never will understand this. It's like the panzer kits. If its a german one it sells. If it is british, it's a no-seller. I am missing the SPADs also and I'll never understand that german minded plastic kit producers. But, on the other hand, take a look on the 'other' forum. Mostly german themes are discussed. And never forget: The Red Baron was invented by the US. Really, not joking. MvR even was not a Baron. Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 3:00 PM Subject: [WWI] RE: Squadron and Roden > > On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 08:46:15 -0500 (EST), Crawford Neil wrote: > > > And can someone explain why they issue something as weird as > > a PKZ-2, can that sell? > > That goes along with the rest of the thinking. If it's German, it will sell. This pisses me off almost as much as 1946 Luftwaffe. What's the point? It's a waste of plastic and we still don't have injected plastic SPAD 7s and 13s. Grrr... > > > Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:28:25 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: FW: AeroWorks Offerings - 16 December 2001 Message-ID: <014c01c18752$866f6580$0f7316d5@netcabo.pt> Now, now Mr. Weier!!!! Instead of going about making a fool of yourself chasing snakes and other creatures (probably of the opposite sex) you should be paying attention and read what your good friends from the upper side of the world tell you. On to the wall you go and do not return before writing 100 times I SHALL READ WHAT MY FRIENDS WRITE! This is what I wrote to the List on September the 17th: Gang, Just received a new book put out by Lela Presse, the guys that publish Avions magazine: Les Avions Caudron, Tome 1 -1908 - 1932. Haven't yet had the time to go through it but I was quite disapointed to see that there are absolutely no aircraft plans in the book, apart from some old drawings of the G3 and G4 and some very small and basic 3 views of each main type. There are plenty of photos though but absolutely no colour profiles. The book will be complemented soon by Tome 2, covering aicraft from 1930 onwards. Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: Shane Weier To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 11:39 PM Subject: [WWI] FW: AeroWorks Offerings - 16 December 2001 > Hi all > > Anyone with anything more to say about these: > > >Avions (Sarl lela Presse)(French) > >Histoire de l'Aviation Series > > > >11. Les Avions Caudron, Vol.1.............. TBA > >12. Les Avions Caudron, Vol.2............. TBA > >(These due in before the end of the month) > > I'm assuming that if they're due in Oz this month everyone else has seen > them. I'm decidendly uninterested in ot content, so I guess what I want to > know is, "How much OT content, if any, and is it all in Volume1" > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > > e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > phone: Australia 1800500646 > International ++61 7 38338042 > ********************************************************************** > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:42:02 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Something on Brazilian WWI pilots Message-ID: Hi All; I know its slightly ot but Plymouth Mount Batten Base is where my father flew out of in the Second Big One in (ot alert!) Sunderland Flying Boats. Mount Batten has been a seaplane base since the year Dot. I assume the Brazilians were in early convoy/anti submarine/patrol work perhaps. From what I read recently Mount Batten is developing a museum covering its operating history. it could be worth checking out what they have when it is completed. There is also an interesting book titled (Strangely enough) "Mount Batten", that has some good, if limited in number, OT and Golden Age pictures of various early flying boats and float planes used there. My father has a copy of this book and I can check it out when I'm down there later this week, if people are interested in this. Just an observation... All the Best Neil E. Dave wrote: Unfortunately not,, merely mentioning that they flew 'real war patrols' from Plymouth, Devon. so quite possibly active service, but no actual combat. (It may be possible to find which RNAS units flew from Plymouth in early 1918) Dave _________________________________________________________________________________ NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies immediately. 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If you have received this email in error or have other concerns regarding this transmission, please contact the Department of Human Services System Administrator at Postmaster@dhs.vic.gov.au _________________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:40:17 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: RE: Squadron and Roden Message-ID: <017001c18754$3095a280$0f7316d5@netcabo.pt> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 2:00 PM Subject: [WWI] RE: Squadron and Roden > > > That goes along with the rest of the thinking. If it's German, it will sell. This pisses me off almost as much as 1946 Luftwaffe. What's the point? It's a waste of plastic and we still don't have injected plastic SPAD 7s and 13s. Grrr... > > > Matt Bittner Ah, come on Matt, I can't agree with you on this one. I for one will buy the PKZ. (In fact it's already on order from Earl) and I do intend to build it. I do agree that we do need a SPAD7, a decent Camel and lots of other famous stuff in injected plastic. But these odd ones are so cute. And if they sell maybe we'll get things like an Austin Ball or even a PS7 (Steve is pushing hard for that, you know). Regards Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:02:35 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: ATTENTION NEIL EVERYMAN!!! Message-ID: Shane said: Silly bugger. Remind me to send you some more pics to scan. Albatrosses or Pfalzies ? Neil Says: Why not send them both - its sounds like an appropriate distraction from that bloody Triplane....;| Shane said: VB fumes. They got me when I lived in Heidelberg/Watsonia in the 80's Neil says: Lol. I have been affected by Cascade fumes - best beer in the country - also Shiraz fumes can have similar effects :) Shane says: Took a couple of years back in the real world before the "footy talk tintinitis" wore off enough for me to think clearly enough to get back to WW1 modelling again. Neil says: Being a Collingwood supporter my case is probably terminal (SOL)(Sobbing out loud). All the Best Neil E. (yes folks there's another Triplane question coming....) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. 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Except as required by law, the Department does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. If you have received this email in error or have other concerns regarding this transmission, please contact the Department of Human Services System Administrator at Postmaster@dhs.vic.gov.au _________________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 18:46:32 -0600 From: "Dave Burke" To: Subject: Re: More ebay crazieness Message-ID: <001b01c1875d$711822c0$6173fea9@s0024008072> > $100 for a Dragon DR1 > And it's not Redaxe this time ! > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1675016005 > Jeez, that's ludicrous (thanks Mr. Tyson) - Makes me wonder what some poor bugger would pay for the contents of my closet! I just picked up the Red Baron edition not too long ago for about 30 bucks - and I plan to eventually finish it one of these days... DB > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:39:39 +1000 From: Neil.Eddy@dhs.vic.gov.au To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Painting Props Message-ID: Hi All; As promised here's another Triplane(ish) question. I've been trying to paint a decent dark reddish brown colour for my Sop Tripe prop and try as I might I'm not getting a satisfactory result (too dark). What I tried to do was to use a dark brown base colour with some dry brush grain effects in darker and lighter colours, overpainted with a clear red topcoat. What are some techniques people use to paint darker coloured wooden props. I don't want to carve one as I don't feel I'm skilled enough to do this yet and also don't have the time at the moment.... TIA All the Best Neil E. (Shane you picked up on my SE photo joke - I wasn't sure anyone would get this one :) _________________________________________________________________________________ NOTICE: This communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication, you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of the Department of Human Services. Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of the Department. Except as required by law, the Department does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. If you have received this email in error or have other concerns regarding this transmission, please contact the Department of Human Services System Administrator at Postmaster@dhs.vic.gov.au _________________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:00:54 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: FW: AeroWorks Offerings - 16 December 2001 Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD90C@MIMHEXCH1> Pedro, > On to the wall you go and do not return before writing 100 > times I SHALL > READ WHAT MY FRIENDS WRITE! Yeowch!! No need for the blackboard ruler across the knuckles though teacher :-( > This is what I wrote to the List on September the 17th: I admit it, I wasn't paying attention. I mean, who takes any notice of that French stuff anyway? ;-) Shane > ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3984 **********************