WWI Digest 3979 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Possible SE5a by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 2) Re: Possible SE5a by KnnthS@aol.com 3) Re: Possible SE5a by Ray Boorman 4) Re: Another lenghty story about the fate of Madame Hurieaux and other... by KnnthS@aol.com 5) Re: Possible SE5a by "Thomas Solinski" 6) Re: Possible SE5a by Ray Boorman 7) Re: Possible SE5a by Rory Goodwin 8) Telford 2001 WWI plane pics by "Ross Moorhouse" 9) Re: Possible SE5a by LEONARDPeterL@aol.com 10) Re: Possible SE5a by Todd Hayes 11) Re: Availability of Eduard releases was:: Ho, Ho, ho, b by Shane Weier 12) Re: New web images by Shane Weier 13) Fonck Spad 12 was att. NC by "Neil Crawford" 14) RE: New web images by Shane Weier 15) Re: New web images by "Steven Perry" 16) Re: Another lenghty story about the fate of Madame Hurieaux and other... by "Gaston Graf" 17) PC again by Matt Bittner 18) RE: PC again by "Gaston Graf" 19) Re: Telford 2001 WWI plane pics by Matt Bittner 20) FW: AeroWorks Offerings - 16 December 2001 by Shane Weier 21) Re: New web images by "Ross Moorhouse" 22) Re: New web images by Shane Weier 23) Re: New web images by "Ross Moorhouse" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 14:49:32 EST From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Possible SE5a Message-ID: <138.64de2fc.294e54cc@aol.com> In a message dated 16/12/01 19:20:00 GMT Standard Time, Ray_Boorman@telus.net writes: << http://www.microrc.com/falcon.htm#SE5 >> Looks nice, but where on earth do they get "AirCo" SE5? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 15:07:20 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Possible SE5a Message-ID: <9c.17f90fac.294e58f8@aol.com> In a message dated 12/16/01 12:59:37 AM, modeleral@up-link.net writes: << I was just looking at Hannants site and they list a Revell 1/48th scale SE5a >as a future release at £5.95 Anybody know if this is for real or was their >web guy hitting the wacky baccy? I'll bet it's a reissue of the old Monogram (modified Aurora) kit. >> My money is on the gentleman's choice in relaxation.... Deuuuuuude! ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 13:00:50 -0800 From: Ray Boorman To: Subject: Re: Possible SE5a Message-ID: <20011216210309.IDYP15616.priv-edtnes15-hme0.telusplanet.net@ray> I noticed that I think the store got confused in there advertisement, Falcon also produce a a DH2. Of course there is also DPC who although they don't themselves manufacture an SE5 do have some old Guillows ones for sale. http://www.dpcmodels.homestead.com/collectorscorner.html I'm waiting for DPC to start manufacturing there 1/12 scale models. One of the first is supposed to be out this winter and is a Sopwith 1 1/2 strutter. Should be enough room for a micro rc equipment methinks. http://www.dpcmodels.homestead.com/whatsnew.html Ray On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 14:52:06 -0500 (EST), LEONARDPeterL@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 16/12/01 19:20:00 GMT Standard Time, >Ray_Boorman@telus.net >writes: > ><< http://www.microrc.com/falcon.htm#SE5 >> > >Looks nice, but where on earth do they get "AirCo" SE5? > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 16:05:06 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Another lenghty story about the fate of Madame Hurieaux and other... Message-ID: <66.18f98ab7.294e6682@aol.com> So it was *she* who led Rene Fonck astray....? I think I am tracking here. -Jack Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 15:19:21 -0600 From: "Thomas Solinski" To: Subject: Re: Possible SE5a Message-ID: <002a01c18677$54c34c80$a6a20d41@okcnc1.ok.home.com> Ray, the owener of DPC is great guy and open to suggestions. He lurks on the list frequently. Why don't you just talk to him about your wishes. Tom S ----- Original Message ----- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 13:24:57 -0800 From: Ray Boorman To: Subject: Re: Possible SE5a Message-ID: <20011216212716.IQDO15616.priv-edtnes15-hme0.telusplanet.net@ray> On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 16:22:26 -0500 (EST), Thomas Solinski wrote: >Ray, the owener of DPC is great guy and open to suggestions. He >lurks on >the list frequently. Why don't you just talk to him about your >wishes. > Tom I did about two weeks ago. the reply is attached. Thats the reason I am waiting ;0) From: Subject:Re: 1/12 scale DPC models Date:Sun, 2 Dec 2001 09:01:11 EST To: Hello Ray, The 1:12 scale kits are under way (on the drawing board). Funny you should ask about the sopwith 1 1/2 strutter. It happens to be one of the first 2 in that series. The other is an Albatros D-XI. Its always nice to do something different for a change. These will be geared for gas/electric freeflight or R/C and perhaps rubber as well. The smaller kits that I produce can be adapted to micro R/C but do require extra work. One fellow did my Albatros D5a kit in micro electric for indoor flying and he is currently working on the Halberstadt D3. I hope to have pictures soon. Look for the 1:12 kits about mid winter. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 13:46:23 -0800 From: Rory Goodwin To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Possible SE5a Message-ID: <3C1D162F.4E0D9EA7@earthlink.net> IMHO, apart from being slightly overscale and having strut & wheel issues, the Monogram issue of this is a good kit which will need little alteration for an accurate Wolesly (sp?)-powrered 5a. Excepting the engine and struts, much better than the Lindberg kit and a very affordable alternative (1/5 the price) to the BM version... In fact, I might just have to build this 'un to show y'all... Hans Trauner wrote: > I go with Al. As Revell = Monogram = Aurora mould holder, I am pretty sure > it'll be the old well known SE from the Dark Ages. ;-) > > Hans > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fraser May" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 7:34 AM > Subject: [WWI] Possible SE5a > > > Morning all, > > > > I was just looking at Hannants site and they list a Revell 1/48th scale > SE5a > > as a future release at £5.95 Anybody know if this is for real or was their > > web guy hitting the wacky baccy? > > Regards > > Fraser ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 09:00:15 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Telford 2001 WWI plane pics Message-ID: <004b01c1867d$0f575460$ca0fcecb@umber> Hi all Found this while reading through the Hyperscale forum. Telford 2001 WWI plane pics http://users.pandora.be/wienne/Telford%202001/ww1.html Cheers Ross ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 17:03:46 EST From: LEONARDPeterL@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Possible SE5a Message-ID: <12f.961668d.294e7442@aol.com> In a message dated 16/12/01 21:43:49 GMT Standard Time, rorygood@earthlink.net writes: << will need little alteration >> For the most part Hans I wqould agree, except that rear fuselage which is way out. The wings and tail ar passable if a little overdone in the reb department, and the forward fuselage is fine. From the cockpit back though.....oh dear cheers Peter L ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 14:18:13 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Possible SE5a Message-ID: <20011216221813.95914.qmail@web11103.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Ray, I've seen the ad for the SE. The same company has just released a DH2. Todd --- Ray Boorman wrote: > How about a slightly different slant on an SE5a from > Falcon. You can > super detail to your hearts content and make it a > hanger queen or > build it to fly. > http://www.microrc.com/falcon.htm#SE5 > > Ray > > On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 05:58:53 -0500 (EST), Hans > Trauner wrote: > >I go with Al. As Revell = Monogram = Aurora mould > holder, I am > >pretty sure > >it'll be the old well known SE from the Dark Ages. > ;-) > > > >Hans > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 08:23:12 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Availability of Eduard releases was:: Ho, Ho, ho, b Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD8EA@MIMHEXCH1> Michael asks: > This brings to mind a certain question on my part; namely, > who s buying up > all the WW1 kits at my local model shop - Nostalgic Plastic in Silver > Spring, MD? I don't buy that many kits there and I know of > maybe 5 or 6 > people in the area who build WW1 but those kits disappear in > fairly short order - Eduard, Roden etc. I've asked this same question before, over two years ago, and I think the answer is important. When I asked it was on the occassion of one our regional model show. I'd seen quite a few OT models, some on the contest tables and several times as many on club display tables, and had spent quite some time tracking down the builders and talking OT modelling. It struck us that the three major model shops in Brisbane all stock pleanty of OT kits, as do a couple of the big toy shops (they even carry Eduard !) and the kits didn't seem to linger except where the prices were way over the top. HOWEVER...even allowing for the rather extravagent way we all bought, we couldn't really explain where quite that many kits were going. The answer is easy enough - no, the enthusiast modeller, club member and contest attendee is NOT the majority of all modellers. I guess this is a *good* thing, because it explains why Eduard can afford to crank out new kits of such high standard when (to our little society) there don't seem to be all that many WW1 modellers. So, come Christmas (or tonight if I feel thirsty) I'll raise a glass and toast the hidden WW1'ophiles, and finish the bottle in thanks for the several model shops I get to choose my models from here in far off Brisbane Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 08:41:04 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: New web images Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD8ED@MIMHEXCH1> Ross, > I have just read through the start of your adventure into the > land of Weier > ;-) Looks good so far mate. I cant wait for the next > installment. Plus I am > taking notes on how you are doing this. :-) Don't blame me for this. There's no doubt about it, SP has caught the disease all on his own (and a thoroughly sickening variety too, manifesting as it does in *French* subjects ;-) Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 23:45:51 +0100 From: "Neil Crawford" To: "ww1 list" Subject: Fonck Spad 12 was att. NC Message-ID: <000901c18683$6a925fe0$f6c297d4@default> Thanks D for your interest, I had a look at that Spad in the Aircam book and sure it could be blue silver or green. I have also seen the green nosed version that Pedro mentioned. Gawd knows, could be any colour! As to silver paint, whats that? I covered the nose in alu-foil days ago, it looks a million dollars, and even though I could easily rip it off and paint sky blue with little stars on, it still wouldn't look so good. So I think I'll keep it for now. And as Ken very perceptively noted, it's the header tank that is unpainted, I've painted that dark grey, and I'm planning on rubbing with kitchen foil to metallize a little bit, its made of tin/lead alloy. I think I've seen that unpainted tank on other Spads, but not usually. /Neil C. What you are doing with that paint brush full of silver paint, Neil? STOP!! I was checking yesterday my unorganized file folders, as the picture of Fonck's Spad XII still made me uneasy (not only because of the polithical thread it generated later). Aerodrome Modeler has an article and profiles of this very machine in one issue by John Guttman. There are profiles of it in an Old C&C, there are a letter of JG in WW1 Aero about Fonck's planes, htere is a picture of another Fonck Spad in the Arco-Aircam Spad book... and John Guttman suspects that the Spad XII has it's nose painted LIGHT BLUE! The crashed Spad VII wich is the source of this affirmation by Guttman is known to have had a light blue nose panels (it is misindentified on the Arco-Aircam book and is wrongly profiled on the same book) Certainly this Type VII has panels that look somehow like your Type XII! Allow me until monday and I'll bring more solid details about the mags I cited. JG also cites an old publication named "La vie aerienne" that has pictures of Fonck's XII... but this is from 1919 and I guess that it's not easily available... maybe any of our friends here has it? I hope that you will read this message before you paint the model, Neil.. D. What interests me is the camo on the middle of the wing--notice the foto that shows the red star and top plane....look at the center of the wing!? I have painted all mine in solids across that area and not the 'color change' this foto clearly demonstrates. Anybody? thanks- Ken _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 08:51:29 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: New web images Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD8EE@MIMHEXCH1> SP says: > I have started an on-line account of my first scratchbuild. > You can find the gory details at: > > http://home.tampabay.rr.com/sperry03/ps7.htm > Wherein he also says: >In that regard I dedicate this project to my good friend from Australia, >Shane Weier, whose scatchbuilding efforts not only inspire me, but often >inspire injection molded manufacturers to release his current subject >just before he finishes it. I don't know whether to be honoured or feel like he's taking the p*ss. ;-) LOL......I'm off to my favourite short run manufacturers web site to try and convince him a kit of the PS7 would be a great seller... Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 17:54:44 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: New web images Message-ID: <007101c18684$a8083600$61e82341@tampabay.rr.com> > (and a thoroughly sickening variety too, manifesting as it does in *French* > subjects ;-) > > Shane And in 1/72 too. But in self defense, the FMP book was a gift, I didn't go out and BUY it. So while I have come down with the deadly French strain in the hard to kill 1/72 form, it's not terminal. ap ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 23:51:51 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: Re: Another lenghty story about the fate of Madame Hurieaux and other... Message-ID: That's not funny - just TASTELESS ! Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > > > So it was *she* who led Rene Fonck astray....? > > I think I am tracking here. > > -Jack Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 14:53:13 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Bittner To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: PC again Message-ID: <20011216225313.83146.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> Well, looks like it is a motherboard problem . That means I'm down indefinitely until I can start piecing together a new computer. Anybody have an old motherboard (within my specs, of course :-) they are trying to get rid of? PC-type wise? :-) Matt Bittner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 00:03:10 +0100 From: "Gaston Graf" To: Subject: RE: PC again Message-ID: I still have a Chaintech for a P200MMX but don't know if it is still working. Have some other old stuff also. Interested? I give it away for free! Gaston Graf (ggraf@vo.lu) Meet the Royal Prussian Fighter Squadron 2 "Boelcke" at: http://www.jastaboelcke.de > Well, looks like it is a motherboard problem . That means > I'm down indefinitely until I can start piecing together a new > computer. > > Anybody have an old motherboard (within my specs, of course :-) > they are trying to get rid of? PC-type wise? :-) > > > Matt Bittner > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of > your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com > or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 15:04:11 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Bittner To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Telford 2001 WWI plane pics Message-ID: <20011216230411.12743.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com> --- Ross Moorhouse wrote: > Found this while reading through the Hyperscale forum. Telford > 2001 WWI > plane pics > http://users.pandora.be/wienne/Telford%202001/ww1.html Sad that out of all those awesome models there's only one French machine. Still, I would like to talk to the person who built that kit, and get some pointers from him/her. They did a great job on the weathering. Plus I am definitely curious to know what kit that is... Matt Bittner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 09:36:58 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwim'" Subject: FW: AeroWorks Offerings - 16 December 2001 Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD8F0@MIMHEXCH1> Hi all Anyone with anything more to say about these: >Avions (Sarl lela Presse)(French) >Histoire de l'Aviation Series > >11. Les Avions Caudron, Vol.1.............. TBA >12. Les Avions Caudron, Vol.2............. TBA >(These due in before the end of the month) I'm assuming that if they're due in Oz this month everyone else has seen them. I'm decidendly uninterested in ot content, so I guess what I want to know is, "How much OT content, if any, and is it all in Volume1" Shane ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 11:20:08 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: New web images Message-ID: <008b01c18690$9902e180$ca0fcecb@umber> Hi Shane, Hey when we look at your Bisfit it seems to be saying in my head... "you can build like this too." I just got back from buying some Evergreen (why is it called this when its white??) sheet plastic to start making the wings for my GunBus. I am just using the body from the Airframe vac kit. Will also have to make the tail fins etc. from this plastic sheet. I am using Volker Häusler's method of making wings. Even got in person instruction from him last week when we got together here in Sydney. He is a truly great guy. I really enjoyed my time with him. Cheers Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Weier" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 9:43 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: New web images | Ross, | | | > I have just read through the start of your adventure into the | > land of Weier | > ;-) Looks good so far mate. I cant wait for the next | > installment. Plus I am | > taking notes on how you are doing this. :-) | | Don't blame me for this. There's no doubt about it, SP has caught the | disease all on his own | | (and a thoroughly sickening variety too, manifesting as it does in *French* | subjects ;-) | | Shane | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ********************************************************************** | The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is | intended only for the use of the addressee(s). | If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or | copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to | forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the | MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. | | e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au | phone: Australia 1800500646 | International ++61 7 38338042 | ********************************************************************** | | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:34:45 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: New web images Message-ID: <7186131CB805D411A60E0090272F7C7102BCD8F2@MIMHEXCH1> Ross, > Hey when we look at your Bisfit it seems to be saying in my > head... "you can build like this too." Hee hee. Another one. I feel like Typhoid Mary. > > I just got back from buying some Evergreen (why is it called > this when its > white??) sheet plastic It's an American thang. Relates to the amount of greenbacks they extract from you for such a small piece of card. Not that it's a bad thing being able to buy small amounts when you want, and the rod/strip/tube is invaluable (if expensive) BUT... Get ye to a wholesale/retail plastics emporium in a suburb near you. Ask for HIPS (High Impact Polystyrene Sheet) I buy it from either of two such places within 2 minutes drive of my home. A sheet of 15 thou about 1.2m x 0.8 m now costs around A$2-3 (though when I bought the stuff it was less than half that) and is also available in thicknesses from 10 thou to 250 thou. I have about 10 sheets of 10, 15, 25 thou left of those I bought in 1998 - enough for at least a couple of 1/48 bombers at my usual wastage rate. > to start making the wings for my GunBus. I am just > using the body from the Airframe vac kit. Will also have to > make the tail > fins etc. from this plastic sheet. This is a good way to start. IMO first try to make wings. That's easy enough. Then a boxy fuselage or a boxy fuselage with some curved fairings amenable to crash molding. Succeed in those two easy steps and you'll be hooked forever. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA................... Shane > ********************************************************************** The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au phone: Australia 1800500646 International ++61 7 38338042 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 11:35:06 +1100 From: "Ross Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: New web images Message-ID: <00be01c18692$b0e79a00$ca0fcecb@umber> When Mr. Sp has done the PS7 or should that not be called the SP1.. ;-) he will make one of these from scratch http://users.pandora.be/wienne/Telford/images/austrian.jpg Or maybe it should be Shane who is chained to his desk till he makes on of the above.. hehehehe ;-) Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Perry" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 9:53 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: New web images | > (and a thoroughly sickening variety too, manifesting as it does in | *French* | > subjects ;-) | > | > Shane | | And in 1/72 too. | But in self defense, the FMP book was a gift, I didn't go out and BUY it. So | while I have come down with the deadly French strain in the hard to kill | 1/72 form, it's not terminal. | ap | | ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 3979 **********************